How Harry Could Improve
1. Post! Photos! On! IG! Nobody expects selfies from him but just the occasional pic of him on vacation, or something quirky he's seen on his travels, or a book he's read and recommends! His caption game used to be strong and showcased his sense of humor.
2. Find another London best friend who isn't Controversial Corden who nobody likes.
3. Take more care with your street style. Leave the hair clip, the woolly hat and the trackies at home. He killed street style between 2013-2017.
How Louis Could Improve
1. He won't stop smoking cigarettes and weed but he could stop glamorizing it by posting photos of himself doing it. I can't think of anyone else who does that these days including his idol Liam G.
2. Don't drink alcohol on stage or take pics with fans when you're clearly very drunk or high.
3. Ditch the fake Manchester accent you use when you sing. He never had this in 1d or on Walls. A lot of fans found the FitF songs hard to understand.
For Harry:
1. I miss Harry being active on social media. I know he might be trying to seem mysterious and unattainable, but I remember even when he posted while in 1D, at least in the years that I was a fan, he still retained that mystery and intrigue because his tweets were often cryptic and he rarely posted on instagram. Likewise, those posts also had cryptic captions. He comes off as super pretentious when he refuses to engage with fans via social media when most other celebrities do.
2. You are who your friends are. He has multiple zionist friends, has a bizarrely obsessive allyship towards Jewish people and Judaism, and pumps his fist at the Israel flag. It's clear that he is a PROUD zionist—but not proud enough to lose his career over his views. I know many celebrities right now aren't speaking up, but I'd rather they just tell us they're on Israel's side than say nothing. Like, don't be a pussy about it.
3. His street style used to look so fashionable and interesting. I guess he's just tired these days of having to "go to work" and get papped, so he doesn't put the effort in most of the time. That's my guess.
For Louis:
1. Yeah, there are no excuses for that. He needs to have some shame, especially when he knows he has so many teen fans. Most smokers I've known have discouraged me from picking it up. All Louis is doing is encouraging. Like, why? If time travel was possible, I wonder if Louis would want to tell his past self not to start smoking. Like I said, most smokers I've known regret it.
2. He has a very serious problem. Every alcoholic I've known used alcohol to "self-medicate" when all they had was depression, anxiety, or some kind of personality disorder that they never got diagnosed. I've talked about this before—I think Louis has ADHD and has not gotten a diagnosis. I have it myself, so that's why I recognize the symptoms he showcases. He was an alcoholic before his mother died, but I think it's only worsened since then. He's going down the route Liam (Payne) went. I fear he'll never recognize the problem for what it is though.
3. In 1D, they all had to sing in semi-American accents, so I wouldn't use that as an example of what Louis's "real accent" is. I'm not great with British accent differences, so if you could give me an example of Louis singing a specific word in both Walls and FITF in completely different accents, please do. If he really is putting on a fake accent to copy Liam Gallagher or whatever, that's... really cringey, ngl.
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LT2 Faith In The Future Promo x Babygate
I’ve decided to make a post inspired by this lovely anon to keep track of all the babygate mentions / pushes during LT2 promo season in media, including the ones where he does not mention Freddie - to see just how often and in which context he’s brought up!
21 July 2022
TODAY Australia: no Freddie mention
Sunrise Australia: 0:20″ seconds of a 2:53″ segment about “being a dad is Louis’ biggest achievement,” him talking about tour life and coming “home to Freddie and spend time with him” while shaking his head and struggling to get the name Freddie out, illustrated by 3 photos (infamous b&w photo, one of Freddie now (carbon copy) one of Louis “teaching” Freddie guitar, all highly recognisable) (wearing a polo he most likely purchased on the endclothing website)
The Project: no Freddie mention Harry university course mention
25 July 2022
Will & Woody Podcast: no Freddie mention
Smallzy’s Surgery: no Freddie mention
Fifi, Fev and Nick on The Fox 1019: no Freddie mention
31 August 2022
Golden Discs: no Freddie mention
01 September 2022
Euphoria Zine: no Freddie mention, emphasis on happy, hopeful in spite of hardship (Harry mention)
Official Charts Interview: no Freddie mention
Los40 Spain: no Freddie mention
02 September 2022
Secret Celebrity: no Freddie mention
Billboard: no Freddie mention
La Stampa: no Freddie mention
Cadena100 Spain: no Freddie mention
06 September 2022
Radio Deejay Italia: Louis brings up Freddie unprompted, saying he’s been on tour since February and had little gaps to go home to the UK or to LA where his son lives. He brings him up right after the radio hosts spent a good amount of time talking about the Beatles (which Louis has used to signal about babygate before. He’s also in a blue green outfit that day).
altpress: two paragraphs about Freddie, first mentioning him in connection to tragedies that seem to not give Louis a break ever, whenever things go his way something happens, his mum died of leukemia just a year “after his son Freddie Reign was born,” and made Louis feel like he was just treading water, life treating him unfairly. The second paragraph is all about Louis finding clarity during lockdown where he could “spend some quality time with his son, journeying between the U.K. and Los Angeles where he lives with his mother. There, he could put his “dad hat” on and have a purpose.” - painting a picture of a Louis split orderly in the middle between a devoted dad we don’t get to see and the “partyboy slob” Louis we know and love. There’s an emphasis of Louis not wanting pity, and focusing on better things, the hope and optimism for a good future combined in the title of his new record. Right after the first Freddie mention, it is described what Louis is wearing: “ Sporting a black-and-white colorblock hoodie” - chequers? Also why mention lol. (He’s again wearing Palace and Fred Perry Laurels for the cover shoot.)
07 September 2022
LADBible Snack Wars: Louis brings up Freddie unprompted, saying he’s making Mac’n’Cheese for his “little lad Freddie” a lot Louis we all know you’re an absolute disaster in the kitchen you’d ruin even macncheese (he is wearing a Palace jacket)
BBC The One: no Freddie mention
Today FM Ireland: no Freddie mention
Q Music Belgium: no Freddie mention
08 September 2022
Lorraine Kelly: 1:04″ of a 6:30″ segment spent talking about Freddie, Lorraine brings up Freddie’s age first, asks if he understands what a big deal his daddy is, Louis talks about Freddie being at LTWTLA1 and that he held up a self made banner (did he though?), was the “most emotional gig he’s done,” Lorraine says Louis splits his time between America and UK - of course - and Louis responds he hasn’t spent a lot of time at “home” (with airquotes) at all. The interview started off with talking about how the new album is a lot more positive, optimistic and hopeful in spite of hardship. (He’s wearing a shirt described by the label as the “perfect partner in crime”) [Lorraine is a format that talks a lot about private life / families / gossip about celebs so very obvious they would ask about the child]
RTL Boulevard Netherlands: 0:37″ of a 2:17″ segment are about Freddie, including 4 photos (recognisable ones, them together, and one how Freddie looks like Louis) and Louis talking about how he takes him to parks and surfing although he’s not a good surfer himself so he doesn’t take him surfing yet because he has to take surf lessons before he can be the surf boss and hero for Freddie (???). (He’s wearing a white and black striped Palace polo shirt) [Again, this is a dutch “celeb life” programme, focused on private life and gossip.]
NME Interview: no Freddie mention
LTHQ posts the LADBible Snack Wars bit with the Freddie mention
09 September 2022
Dork: no Freddie mention
13 September 2022
Formula 1: no Freddie mention (but F1? come on, also Kimi Räikkönen’s car number is 7)
The Late Late Show: no Freddie mention
15 September 2022
Good Morning America: no Freddie mention (host looked slightly caught off guard and stumbling over some words when they showed footage of The GMA Buzzing Interview)
16 September 2022
The Steve Duran Show: Louis brings up Freddie unprompted while talking about jetting between London & LA where his son lives, emphasising that he’s spending a lot of time in LA
94.3 Radio One India: no Freddie mention
106.1 BLI: no Freddie mention
17 September 2022
BBC: “Even becoming a father to his first son, Freddie, in 2014 didn't force him into adulthood. "There was always an element of, when I was with Freddie, I'd put my adult dad hat on. And then, when I was doing my work or when I was with my mates, I'd be in a kind of limbo, really.” 2014? lol here again the talking points: split Louis, the one we see, the super devoted dad we don’t see, fans mean everything, he’s hopeful, had tragedies
19 September 2022 (Philadelphia)
98.5 KRZ Radio: no Freddie mention (a question about OTB being a fanmade queer anthem was edited out when posted on the website)
Radio Hot 97.1: no Freddie mention (he did talk about reading between the lines)
Morning Mashup SiriusXM: 1:22” min of a 8:48” segment talking about being a parent, interviewer asked if being a parent changed his way of writing, Louis says subconsciously, the two things are separate for him. Now he’s saying all the things he never wanted to say as a parent when he was a child. Mentioned the LA show, was the most emotional show, brought his own banner and is usually in bed by 7 (lol). On the video on demand website of the radio “On Being A Parent” is indicated as a chapter of the video.
96.5 TDY Q&A and Listening Party : no Freddie mention
20 September 2022 (Nashville)
1075 The River Cocktail party: no Freddie mention
Hot 106.7: no Freddie mention says there’s drama around the corner for Louis, always has to be one step ahead of the drama, wearing chequers
B104: no Freddie mention
21 September 2021 (Atlanta)
Power 96.1: no Freddie mention says his fans are great at solving puzzles
Q99.7: no Freddie mention
Hits 96 Lunch with Louis (Tennessee): no Freddie mention
22 September 2022 (Phoenix)
101.5 Live Interview and M&G: cancelled (fans were not informed whether they won or not, but had to show up in person to find out. There they were told Louis cancelled because he’s sick and he “was on his way straight to California” for other promo.
23 September 2022 (California)
103.7 KISS-FM: no Freddie mention says he’s tired, it is what it is, wearing Lacoste blue green polo
997 Now (CA): no Freddie mention
94.9 WiLD (San Francisco): @stephron reported back this: “Sooo there was a fan question asking if he was a good cook and he replied that he’s not and all he can make for his son is cheesy pasta…so a reiteration of what he said on LADbible. Someone asked him before that what he would be if he wasn’t a singer and he said a teacher because he’s good with kids. He hesitated noticably when he went to elaborate and tbh I thought he was going to mention F but he said it was because he had so many siblings.” X
24 September 2022 (Portland)
Live 95.5: no Freddie mention
25 September 2022
BBC Radio1: no Freddie mention
27 September 2022
Zach Sang: very interesting right off the bat. First Freddie mention comes with Zach mentioning he is Louis’ Future when talking about what Future means to Louis. Louis is caught off guard but then quickly says “yeah, yeah the kid is the future!” then, later on, when Zach mentions he saw Louis in LA, Louis goes into asking him which night to not wait for him to answer just to say “my son was there” and to talk about this beautiful emotional moment he had with Freddie, locking eyes with him (backpedalling bc how do you do that at the YouTube theater lol it’s way too far and dark). He’s eloquent and goes into detail about how Freddie goes to bed at 7 usually. Then later on, Zach again brings up Freddie, asking if he’s part in shaping his idea of success, and again Louis is caught off guard and stumbles over his words, stuttering and rambling. It seems clear he’s confident in talking about him when he’s initiating but swimming when someone else brings it up non-planned. He also doesn’t see him in his future, keeps forgetting about him there, or with the song writing. Extremely interesting as well is that the Freddie bit is the first (only?) snippet posted to Zach‘s TikTok. He also seems to be awfully concerned about his arse tattoo being seen by new people in situations where he’s about to get frisky with them: two questions - what about eleanormegirlfriend? And in which hetero context is his arse the first thing you see when taking his clothes off for sex?
Hits Radio UK - My Teenage Self: no Freddie mention
12 October 2022
The Night Show With Mitch Churi Australia: 0:40″ min of a 8:47″ segment talked about Freddie: Interviewer brought him up saying “yeah and you’re a dad now” hasn’t he been a dad for almost 7 years?? in response to gaining new perspective on everything in Bigger Than Me, then stumbling about “having my own ... child.”
14 October 2022
Kompas Indonesia: no Freddie mention
15 October 2022
Soccer AM: no Freddie mention
Ask Me Anything Chat: no Freddie mention
17 October 2022
Virgin Radio Paris: no Freddie mention
NRJ Paris: short Freddie mention squeezed in at the end, when talking about living between LA and London
Music Week: no Freddie mention
18 October 2022
JAM FM Germany: no Freddie mention
Late Night Berlin: no Freddie mention
Listening Party RTL / JAMFM Berlin: Louis mentions fatherhood to be his biggest achievement in his private life - wearing a „Palace“ jacket (Reign, Queen=Freddie)
19 October 2022
Bild Germany: tbd
20 October 2022
La Resistencia: no Freddie mention
24 October 2022
WR Germany: no Freddie mention
25 October 2022
GQ Spain: Louis mentions Freddie and becoming a dad as one of the changes he’s gone through which inspired Bigger Than Me
31 October 2022
Los40 Spain: The headline is about Freddie hearing the album first. Louis says Freddie is the first one to hear a few songs off Faith In The Future after Olli (loli 5ever) and that he would probably like Out Of My System most just like how he liked Kill My Mind best off Walls.
2 November
The UK Times: big emphasis on fatherhood - Freddie mentioned in the subheader: „The former One Direction star on going it alone, fatherhood and his love of Bargain Hunt“ and the summary: „He has a son, Freddie, six, from a previous relationship with the stylist Briana Jungwirth, and lives in north London.“
05 November 2022
Corriere Della Sera Italy: no Freddie mention
07 November 2022
NRJ Austria: no Freddie mention
Copy Paste Articles: Louis Tomlinson finds parenting to be challenging. About 100+ copy paste articles flooded Louis' Google News results right as he announced ONO shows. They all consist of mashed up quotes by Louis about Freddie from previous interviews. The last time this happened was with the "carbon copy" narrative, articles flooding like this right before boobgate was kicked off
08 November 2022
Focus Online Germany: no Freddie mention
09 November 2022
Official Charts: no Freddie mention
The Telegraph: Freddie gets mentioned right after they talk about Louis taking responsibility for his family, and in the next breath says “I don’t want people to feel fucking sorry for me” again setting up the tone for how he is to be dealt with during the scandal by connecting that wish with Freddie.
10 November
Rolling Stones Twitch Live: interviewer brings up Freddie seemingly out of nowhere and Louis rattles off his Freddie talking points: didn't realise Louis was a celebrity, immediately goes to talking about his sisters instead, Freddie went to the LA show and made Louis emotional with a banner, listened to his singles and liked them
Swiss 20min: no Freddie mention
11 November 2022
Metro UK: no Freddie mention
102.7 KIIS FM: 0:20" of 37:05" interview: mentions Freddie to be the reason to make LTWTLA the best performance of his life, made him emotional, seeing him
KKBOX Western: tbd
Hitz Malaysia: no Freddie mention
ET Canada: 1:50" segment of a 8:52" interview about Freddie. 5 seconds into the interview, interviewer says Louis is a dad, Louis says he's changed to become more mature. Later, interviewer brings up LTWTLA, says he was looking for him, then spotted him, he had the banner, it made him emotional. Dad life and musician life separated, he's a strict dad (that's new!)
ZDF Germany Leute Heute: 0:28“ of a 2:26“ Segment about Freddie. Needs to put the dad hat on even though he doesn't feel fully grown up yet.
Z100 New York: 1"20 segment of 14"03 interview about him maturing through fatherhood, says Freddie got into music in the past 18 months 👀 also makes a 180° turn and says he keeps his private life private (says he's not telling us what Chicago is about)
SiriusXM Morning Mashup: 0:30" segment of a 12"10 interview. Louis brings up Freddie himself, when saying he's two different people on tour and when a dad, waking up early. Adding more details! (well done on the research! We need those details to make it more believable!)
LADBible: no Freddie mention
Fallon Tonight: no Freddie mention
Due to link limit all mentions and links from 12 November 2022 on will be archived in a reblog.
I will edit to add as we go through this promo season, but as of now, we have 29 / 91 Freddie mentions during interviews for LT2 Faith in the Future promo, all of them seem out of place if you pay close attention (why would you advertise your album with your six year old son after supposedly crying for privacy before?), and on almost every single occasion he signals through clothing / topics. I believe it wasn’t pre-discussed that the interviewer would bring up Freddie, as Louis got caught pretty off guard and wasn’t signalling with his clothes. The interviewer did say he watched a lot of recent videos and clips of him before the interview, so I guess he saw that big fat Freddie segment from Australian morning TV as his preparation for the interview.
Depending on the format, they either have predetermined talking points and provided images and visuals, like for Lorraine and RTL, where the programme focuses more on celeb gossip, or he finds ways to inject a Freddie mention into the segment himself (ladbible, radio deejay,...). LTHQ posting that snippet of the ladbible segment though is extremely telling. They are using narration points they know fans will recognise and are backed up by fan videos etc, like the LTWTLA1 show. It’s also interesting that Louis rarely mentions Freddie when fans are present like in Q&As and M&Gs.
There are a few talking points that crystallize this promo run:
my fans are the best and I’m eternally grateful for and to them (fan service)
Faith in the Future was a phrase he chose before the pandemic and is his, that he felt a connection to it, it spoke to him, a magnetism, and he likes to share it to mean something hopeful but is adamant about it being around since about 6 months before lockdown (Future Is Now = Faith In The Future = The End Plan developed before lockdown started?)
Silver Tongues is his favourite song
Chicago is half his own experiences, half theoretical
Freddie:
goes to bed at 7 (!)
Louis makes him Mac’n’cheese
LTWTLA Moment was emotional, referencing moments the fandom knows (Christmas, Park: right after interview park photos get spread in the fandom)
Dad hat VS Musician hat: keeps professional life & private life apart, fans don’t really get to see him being the devoted dad he is
travels a lot between London & LA bc of Freddie
Freddie loves his music
Louis compares how Freddie sees his fame to his sisters' reactions
They are also setting the tone for how to handle the scandal: they are putting a lot of emphasis on how positive and hopeful Louis is now, after achieving some sort of clarity during lockdown, that in the face of tragedies he just wants to focus on the positive and move on, and definitely wants NO pity - and that he seems to never get a break, when things are finally going his way, tragedies hit. Incredible set up for those couple of months between this FitF promo cycle ending early 2023 and before the tour starts - and fans will already have bought the tickets and have time to calm down. It will also allow for him to withdraw, regroup, and then carry on like he’s been saying: he will look gracious, strong and congruent to his words. No one will take it badly that he keeps on enjoying his life and success after the scandal breaks after a period of privacy. It is genius and I am so excited for this to unravel. They are really, really good.
To the end, my friends. Faith in the Future - and The Future Is Now!
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hi, i'm currently listening to your podcast and in your first ep you mention a text version of the ep with some links that you made but i cannot find those posts. can you help me out? i specifically wanted to look into the big larrie blogs on tumblr purposefully not posting partyboy louis bc it didn't fit their image of him. i followed those blogs back then and remember some group chat leaks of their blogs but cannot find them again as well
Well, SLS was nuked and so the original posts are gone. Here are links to reblogs for all episodes so you can have the text on the posts. HOWEVER, links to the episodes themselves from these posts are broken because I went back and added episode numbers to the titles and that broke all the links. blech. i will edit this post to add in good episode links as well.
episode 1: part 1: introduction to the conspiracy theory known as babygate [sic]
episode 2: "perfect boyfriend" to "partyboy" f. the SONY LEAKS
episode 3: FAKE BABY FAKE BABY FAKE BABY
episode 4: part 4: larries are just classist vengeancemongers
episode 5: part 5: web domains and baby names
episode 6: part 6: but what's a larrie theory without a lil woman-hating, amirite?
episode 7: part 7: wrap-up episode
episode 8: larrie classism
episode 9: "everything happens for a reason."
episode 10: larrie biphobia
episode 11: fandom racism part 1 - cultural appropriation
episode 12: interlude - a larrie (?) answers my questions!
episode 13: fandom racism part 2 - let's talk stereotypes
episode 14: fandom racism part 3 - weed video, night changes, and BLM
episode 15: fandom racism part 4 - what about zayn?
episode 16: receipts receipts receipts
episode 17: ** will not *** today...
episode 18: we love them when they're not newsworthy, too
episode 19: qanon and larries and cabals and "They"
episode 20: we're being SOCIALIZED so when ** *** we won't lose our shit .... ok.
episode 21: antisemitism in fandom
episode 22: our fandom histories
episode 23: a larrie MELTDOWN
episode 24: a presidential pandemic debunk
episode 25: code 29 louis is a father ahhhhhh
episode 26: harry styles talks about the female orgasm and queer women flip shit
episode 27: a chat with (to??) yorkshireanti
episode 28: "what happened to SLS? did you delete???"
episode 29: SLS relaunches and HAPPY FREDDIE'S SIX DAY: larries in 2022
episode 30: SLS sees Louis in concert! a review
okay and the group chat leaks ... i posted all of the posts that remained but when SLS was nuked, that sideblog was gone as well. I do still have the screenshots so I'll put those all together in a post.
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