#pale wildbow

[estavionpira]

fuck i hate living in an area with possums. i see one and my sleeper agent training forces me to do the soy point and scream 'PALE REFERENCE' at the top of my lungs. fml

[liliennacht]

pale did have cool character ideas thou.

like the Tearaway -Kid who could transform into anything and the Girl riding a City Bird he was in Love with.

an when the Tearaway Kid transformed into a biblically accurate Angel to impress her.

" what can i say? she was a girl and i was a being of infinite glory"

i lived that bitch. he was great

[shsl-heck]

The use of the classmate ranker app to find victims for the hungry choir is actually subtle nod to the fact that the internet is evil in real life too!

[kasmusser]

I know it is 3 million words long, but I still believe that Pale should be longer

[importantangeldefendor]

Avery is representation for normal boring gay people

I love her but if she was anymore basic she'd be a harem protagonist

[bad-pun-king]

I’ve been getting into homestuck recently and stumbled across classpects as a concept awhile ago. I got curious and went to see if any Wildbow protagonists had been given classpects in crossover speculation. I was only able to find any for Taylor, probably because fans of both like to compare her to Vriska from what I’ve seen, with arguments for Taylor being a Page of Rage, Witch of Doom, or Bard of Heart.

I’d like to go over each protagonist personally, but it’s been too long since I read Worm, Ward, or Pact and reading those I was still all in on how the narrator sees things and bad at reading into the narration instead of just reading it, so those 3 all kind of blend together in my head too much for me to try them. I might do Sy, but I haven’t thought him much yet for it.

What I want to do right now is give classpects to Verona, Lucy, and Avery, based on my understanding of the classes and aspects I’ve been able to pick up.

Verona I would say is probably a Mage of Heart. Her arc has been more less about getting her to find a good place for her Self. She couldn’t really be herself with Brett always being nearby ready to whine to her about some bullshit or another, treating her as daughter and wife at the same time despite her age, and never appreciating any of the work she actually did until she just stopped doing it all together. Now she has her demesne that allows her to have her own home as she wants it, it’s become a hangout spot for all her closest friends, and she doesn’t have to worry about invaders doing any sort of harm to her, emotionally like Brett or even physically in most cases. Not to mention she can also easily interpret and communicate with nonverbal Others like Tashlit. But that’s just why I see her as Heart. For Mage it was more or less just that loves learning about her interests so much. She’s turning her demesne into a bookstore for books that were never written, she’s easily the most well-rounded in terms of understanding practices of the 3 Kennet Witches, and she’s even experimented with different things both mundane and magical to see how she likes them, such as that friends with benefits relationship she had with Jeremy for awhile or trying out Hosting, alchemy, enchantment, among other practices. I had also considered Void for Verona on account of how easy it is for her to play around with the truth without lying outright to confuse people, but ultimately her arc is more about getting from where she hated her life and circumstances so much she wanted to give up her humanity and become virtually anything else to getting where she’s perfectly comfortable being herself and flourishing under her own power, which to me reads with the idea that Heart is about the Inner Self.

Avery was probably the easiest of the trio. Maid of Blood. It’s my understanding that Blood is supposed to be about relationships and connections, and Avery has become something of an embodiment of networking with how many friends and contacts she’s built up over the course of Pale, and that’s all starting from a point where she could go months at a time without anybody noticing she hadn’t said a thing because of how disconnected she was. My understanding of a Maid is someone that takes care of, creates, and maintains their aspect, and boy howdy if Avery doesn’t do that. She literally goes to the edges of reality itself via the Paths to find contacts who’d otherwise be unable to contact anyone in a meaningful way in the form of Lost, who would all otherwise be to conceptually close to the ideas associated with Breath to get anywhere in their continued existences. Avery’s also the one of the trio most likely to allow an antagonist to redeem themself for similar reasons.

Lucy was the hardest one for me to get. I’d definitely peg her as a Knight, but I can’t decide if she fits better as a Knight of Hope or a Knight of Rage. I could see her as Hope because Hope players are described as “driven first and foremost by their convictions. They do right for right's sake, and are quick to come to the aid of anyone they deem to be experiencing injustice.” That sounds extremely Lucy, but Hope as a concept also seems to be connected to the use of positive emotions to empower and accomplish where as Lucy is not someone I would describe as being emotionally positive. She is almost always on guard in some way or another, always prepared to be ‘bullet-proof’ in as many ways as possible because she’s anticipating some asshole coming up and challenging her on some arbitrary thing. Even her Sight allows her to see specifically negative emotions and pain in the form of watercolor-esc stains. This is where interpreting her as less Hopey and more Ragey comes in. She’s very tired of the way the world is. She fights tooth and nail in arguments, in magic, in duels, and in Law to gain just a bit of ground even if it isn’t as much ground as she had wanted. Training under Guilherme and Bubbleyum does seem to have taught her to be coolheaded enough not to suppress her anger but to channel it for all those sorts of fights I mentioned. Rage at the injustices of the world and especially those right in front of her that she can do something about, is what fuels her. As for why I’d put her as a Knight, that’s because Knight is the closest to how she normally operates. She doesn’t seek the knowledge the way a Mage or Seer does, she doesn’t really fit homestuck’s idea of an Heir or (ironically) Witch, she doesn’t generate or heal like a Maid or Sylph, and she isn’t destructive of any aspect like a Prince or Bard, she isn’t taking to deprive from others like a Thief or Rogue, and she certainly isn’t as selfish as she could be with her defense of what she cares about like a Page. The idea that she serves Hope for the future or exploits her own Rage or whatever it is Knights are supposed to one-worded to, Knight fits the best of the classes.

Bonus bit, going purely based off vibes I’d say Verona and Lucy are both derse dreamers while Avery would be prospit.

I’d like to do the other protagonists too but like I mentioned above it’s been too long since I read Worm, Pact, or Ward for me to do Taylor, Blake, or Victoria. I still can and might do Sy, I only recently finished Twig so he’s still fresh enough on my mind I think I could, just not now. In the meantime I’d like seeing some other people try at any or all of them. Get some speculation going for wildbow protags other than Taylor.

[radish-club]

Pale // Mountain Goats Lyrics

Song are "High Hawk Season" / "Hebrews 11:40" / "Fire Editorial" / "Tallahassee" / "Aulon Raid" / "Amy AKA Spent Gladiator 1" / "The Destruction of the Kola Superdeep Borehole" / "Rain in Soho" / "Up the Wolves" / "Bleed Out"

[selamat-linting]

gotta be honest, charles is a complicated character that i lost track of after i fell off the pale bandwagon, im sure i barely know him now. but still, i will forever remember how he came in the judge contest wearing nothing but the fur of the carmine. slut behavior.

[bad-pun-king]

That's already a thing in Wildbow's Pale. There was a character named Sharon who was something called a Skeptic that had that effect on magic around her due to the raw power of disbelief. There's more than one in that universe too.

Supernatural creatures are baffled, confused, distraught or even terrified when all of a sudden their powers and magic stop working, reducing them back to basically being humans. The source: A human so disbelieving that all magic and supernatural effects stop working within a certain radius.

[victoriadallonfan]

Which WB characters would fall for a crypto-scam?

[goattypegirl]

It's funny how all through Pale Verona keeps thinking 'man if I didn't have my friends I'd be such a powerful wizard and so fucked up and evil' and then she's shown what would have happened if she didn't have her friends and she's just. Kind of mediocre and lonely. It's very 15 years old of her.

[fran-valz]

Baptized in bin juice. Ringed in trash fire! The Gobling Sage

[estavionpira]

he cant keep getting away with this

how does wildbow do it. the same way worm has altered the way i see all superpowers pale has now altered the way i see all magic

[shsl-heck]

People are in the comment section of Pale handwringing over whether or not it was okay for Lucy to lay a hex on the guy who left her mom after 5 years bc he couldn't handle the way his family treated them as an interracial couple 💀

[theaudientvoid]

Wildbow Titles, Explained

Worm: Named for how as a bullying victim, Taylor sees herself and is treated as being as low and insignificant as a worm--Nevermind a giant space worm shows up at the end. Pact: About makin' pacts with demons. 'Nuff said. Twig: The modern word "clone" is derived from greek word for twig. Also, something about how one of the main themes is about growing up, and effectively growing into a different person from your younger self. Ward: The main character spent a formative period of her life in a hospital ward. Also, she was on a team called the Wards for like a day. But all of this happened before the actual story. Pale: The archaic sense of the word "Pale" means a boundary or limit, survives in phrases like "beyond the pale". The main recurring theme is about the ways that people try to bring about social change, and the reasons that some attempts might be successful while others aren't. Also, the word "pale" in the color sense evokes death as the apocalyptic pale rider. Also also, there's a giant pail at the end. Claw: The climax of the story is a dude literally getting his eyes clawed out.

[soylad]

I love Pale