#oz stuff

[mistoffeleesisawitch]

Glinda/Fiyero on Reddit

[goldenappledelicious]

Man, Villain or Morally Grey Glinda is SO fun to me as a concept but they always give her such lame or weirdly heterosexual motivations?? Why are y’all doing my girl like this? 😭

How is the “Glinda orchestrated events to become the uncontested ruler of Oz” theory for the movie better than most actual villain Glinda depictions?

[mistoffeleesisawitch]

So I just went to watch Wicked, and something I’ve never realised is that while Elphaba and Glinda are singing ‘For Good’, Dorothy is still stuck in the basement and she can just hear the whole thing like

Elphaba and Glinda : You’ll be with me, like a handprint on my heart

Dorothy, in the basement : these bitches gay

[artbunnii]

Lanolin 🌸💕

[k1cha1nz]

im going crazy they’re so fun to draw.

[bunnieswithknives]

Decided to read The Wonderful Wizard of OZ, I have yet to finish it but here are some of my favorite bits so far and I'll probably go back and draw some more later

[mistoffeleesisawitch]

I know the Wizard of Oz is in public domain, I mentioned that in the reply, just that Wicked is also connected to a copyrighted work. And not just due to Elphaba’s green skin, though that in itself is such a core part of Elphaba it’s not like it’s simply an aesthetic similarity. But Maguire himself pretty much always specifically cited the Wizard of Oz movie and Margaret Hamilton’s Witch for his inspiration for Wicked

From:

And a different interview focused on his want to explore the nature of evil:

And it isn’t just Elphaba’s green skin. A lot of core details of Wicked that shape the characters are rooted in the 1939 movie. The Wicked Witches of West and East are not related in The Wonderful Wizard of Oz and are only mentioned together due to both being Wicked Witches. The final act of Wicked (the book), as well as the prologue, involves Elphaba hunting down Dorothy, something she only does in the movie. The book witch only starts targeting Dorothy after Dorothy is already on her way to kill her. Even the core of Glinda’s character, being a small town impoverished patrician from Gilikin desperate to rise socially, is based on her being the Good Witch of the North, which she isn’t in the Oz books.

He’s able to avoid a lot of these copyright things because some of them just aren’t copyrighted or can’t be copyrighted. (Glinda’s change in location and the Witch hunting down Dorothy. With those being either a book original title for a nameless character or too vague to copyright). Other adaptions have used the green skin but use a different (usually worse in the Disney ones) shade to step around the copyright on the specific color used.

That’s not to deny that there is a lot from the Oz books focused on. Boq after all is book only, appearing in the 3rd chapter of the first book. And Maguire’s version of Oz is very much based on Baum’s Oz and like Baum’s personal views. That if Baum wants Oz the be an “American Fairytale” than Maguire works to actually bring in American values of the time into Oz and look into how that effects our own view of Oz. Unionism is very unsubtly American evangelism. The industrialization of Oz is meant to mirror America’s. And of course the racism, with the Vinkus being heavily based on indigenous tribes likely also inspired to Baum’s own notable racism towards Native Americans, and colonialism that is seeped into the original Oz books.

I want to clarify I’m NOT disagreeing with you! I don’t think Wicked is fanfiction and to call it that I think ignores the point of what wicked was trying to accomplish. Maguire himself even says the fact that it ended up being about the Wizard of Oz is kind of incidental, with it mostly being a vehicle for him to explore the nature of evil. But it very much is connected to a copyrighted material and I just think it’s interesting how Wicked is able to weave in both and deconstruct both.

Maguire isn’t deconstructing Baum’s Wicked Witch of the West, he’s deconstructing Margaret Hamilton’s. And he uses Baum’s books to do this. And that’s just really cool to me!

Sigh. I'm tired of this claim.

Is the logic behind it that it's written by somebody who isn't the creator and/or not commissioned by them? Or is this about the quality of the writing?

No. Maguire's books are not fanfiction; they're original fiction using public domain settings and characters.

There is a long history of this practice, stretching from Homer to the Modernists, who'd often write "modern" versions of ancient myths.

A difference between what Maguire does and the type of writing we call fanfiction is that the latter is written by non-professionals, that is fans.

The audience for fanfiction is other fans. The audience for what Maguire does is a literary or general audience, rather than just fans.

Also, the former fundamentally differs in purpose. Maguire's series looks to subvert and extend the meanings of Baum's original fiction. What we call fanfiction often exists to exhaust what-if scenarios, romantic wish-fulfilling fantasies of dubious probability, and so on. It tends to have less to say--so to speak.

I think it's wiser to put "Wicked" in continuity with works like the "Aeneid" or "Orpheus Descending" by Tennessee Williams or "Wide Sargasso Sea" by Jean Rhys, which have very little resemblance in their aim and construction to the writing that gives us the term "fanfiction."

You do not really gain much by establishing that something is something else. It is more productive to focus on what a literary work does and whether or not it does it well.

There are people who call "Wicked" fanfiction to insult it and others who do so to convince themselves that their A/B/O Steve/Bucky on AO3 is on par with "Paradise Lost." Both groups are wrong.

If you (dis)like Maguire's "Wicked" as a book, then putting it in one category or another doesn't matter all that much. What matters is why you (dis)like it.

Last but not least, the elephant in the room is copyright, which is a pretty new concept.

"50 Shades" started off as erotic "Twilight" fanfiction, sure, but could not be published until E. L. James changed so many factors so as to make it legally unrecognizable to the source material.

Another example: all of the Marvel films/tv series/sequels/prequels are canon regardless of who writes them--even when the characters significantly change and the timelines diverge. However, anyone who writes a Loki story but is not employed by Disney, is a fanfiction author.

Every time there's a discussion about whether something is fanfiction or not, it is clear that people need to look up two words: "remake" and "intertextuality."

Again, fanfiction is fun, but this is untrue. It only shows that you don't read books or that you need to ask a librarian for better books.

[speedl00ver]

Maki Oze

Some more new stuff here: Patreon

[kazz-brekker]

interpreting the wizard of oz through the lense of the backstories the characters are given in wicked does leave room for the possibility that the scarecrow, the tin man, and the cowardly lion are having some truly wild conversations behind dorothy's back during their little trip

[ossiethegreat]

sorry I’m projecting cause I need to put those stupid things in my mouth. I’m actually going bonkers like I NEED to eat them pelase

can you guys tell I’m trying to get away from my family

Killer belongs to rahafwabas

Color belongs to superyoumna

☆ 💗

[nikolaj-costerwaldau]

THE PENGUIN

1.06 | Gold Summit

[mistoffeleesisawitch]

I have grieved! Is it so impossible / To believe? he pleaded. / My friend who went through everything with me / Is dead!

Wicked // Epic of Gilgamesh

[cheesymorgue]

*takes a drag of my cigarette* so there's this movie...you might have heard of it

[hometoursandotherstuff]

We're off to see the Wizard. This is so cute, but I would put it inside. Looks like a combo of bottles and decorative glass.

[rival-the-rose]

Man I have gone thru every emotion with this project but it finally has ended happily!!

This is 2 oz of the 4 that I got at Black Sheep this year, first spin on my new (to me - she's 35 years old!) Schacht Matchless wheel. I really had a hell of a time with this fiber - it was very well prepared but with my health problems I had a really hard time keeping it consistent. It's overspun and under spun, overplied and under plied, slubby thru some of the silk portions and suddenly way thinner thru the purple. Which is why I was shocked that it was perfectly balanced when I took it off the noddy. I'm thrilled bc I was giving up hope on it being suitable for the intended project - I think it'll make a beautiful warp! I was intending to have the other half be the weft and make a fun weird plaid but seeing it in the skein I think that will be too busy and I'll use plain black alpaca instead. It's 282 yards so it'll have to be a pretty big shawl but that's hardly a problem! I'm just so relieved that it's actually balanced.

[artbunnii]

Sage with Anya's expressions 💕