#ouat henry mills sr

[ouatsnark]

So.

I've seen people compare Hook killing his father, Brennan, to the EQ killing her own dad, Henry 1.

Which, yeah, technically it is the same thing on surface level but I feel like people ignore the circumstances.

EQ apologists will claim that EQ murdering Henry was his own fault because he allowed her to be abused her entire life (which... While I would argue Cora is abusive, I don't really agree with because the man himself never abused Regina and even tried to advocate for her from what I remember) and because he owed it to her so she could be happy.

They then say she made up for it by naming her kid after him (which awww sweet, naming your kid after someone you MURDERED. Isn't that such a nice way to make up for what you did?).

They say his afterlife was too good for him/was given by Regina and he should be thankful he didn't get worse when he was a 'shitty' dad.

But they then turn around and go:

Oh Hook is a MONSTER because he murdered his own FATHER.

They point to the flashbacks in a swan song, ignoring the part where he abandoned them. Saying him lighting the lantern means that he was a good dad and him abandoning them couldn't be helped.

They say his actions didn't parentify Liam 1. They say he was sorry because he named his 3rd son after his first and that should have been enough.

That Hook was an asshole who orphaned his half brother out of jealousy and showed no remorse, ignoring the fact they eventually made up.

I just... don't see how?

The number one thing with Regina apologists is that they HAVE to make Regina into the biggest victim so that they can justify their love and defense of her indefensible crimes. In short, Regina Apologists are the biggest double standard hypocritical losers I’ve ever seen.

They have to insert their head canons about Regina’s childhood, demonize Henry Sr and then lie about Killian’s father, Brennan’s and Killian’s motives, ignore canon instances of Killian’s remorse just to lift up their tyrant queen.

They then come up with these ridiculous reasons to absolve Regina and Brennan of their crimes while ignoring the fact that if we use their logic, Killian should also be absolved of his (if they’d accept canon fact of Killian’s remorse). No, naming a child after your victim doesn’t absolve you of crimes. What good does that do anyone but Regina or Brennan? It doesn’t. The naming was solely for their own benefit.

How is replacing your first born making up for abandoning your children into slavery? Oh and if they say Brennan didn’t have any choice then why does he need to make up for anything? Can’t have it both ways peeps! No, Brennan naming his third son Liam doesn’t mean he is sorry it just means he’s giving himself a second chance and assuaging his own guilt just as Regina did with Henry Jr.

How about the truth: Villain Regina and villain Killian were both monsters for killing their respective fathers? Why can’t we leave it at that? But sure if they want to play the game of which one is worse, well, I have bad news for them. Regina was.

1. Regina murdered an innocent man. Killian killed his scumbag fugitive father.

Henry Sr was a loving doting father that stood behind Regina no matter what she did. No, Henry Sr did not “allow” Regina to be abused her entire life

Anon is absolutely right when they say Henry Sr did try to advocate for Regina and did his best to stand up to Cora (1x18). Besides. What did they want him to do? She was a powerful dark magic user that could kill him with a snap of her fingers.

I find it interesting that Regina Apologists use the excuse that Regina fixated her revenge on Snow and not Cora because she was afraid of her powerful mother. Like ya wanna think about this for a second, RAs? If you claim that Regina was so afraid of her mother her entire life (even tho she snooped in her desk with no fear etc etc) then do you all think maybe her dad might have been too? What could Henry Sr have done against a powerful wife? He had no powers himself. So if he was scared of Cora, he put Regina before his own fears and stayed for Regina’s sake. He never abandoned her to face Cora alone because no matter what happened at least he could be there for his daughter? Just a food for thought there.

Bottom line was, Henry Sr never abused Regina but he was always there for her, no matter what atrocity she committed, even while she was killing him. So no, adult Regina being abused by her mother over who she marries does not justify murdering the father who loved and supported her and it sure as hell doesn’t justify murdering him so she can get a happy ending and curse an entire kingdom to a life of misery.

It’s like Regina Apologists can’t think past her heaving cleavage.

Brennan did abandon his kids to slavery and to suggest otherwise is a lie. No, him naming his 3rd son Liam doesn’t make up for his abuse

He may have left a lantern on but that means jack crap the moment he abandoned his children to save his own skin. He had a choice. His choice was to die protecting them or at the least ensuring their own escape at his expense. But he chose to save himself and left his sons to face an unimaginable fate without him. Escaping your crimes and leaving your children to face your consequences is most certainly child abuse, neglect and abandonment.

And just so we are clear: Killian’s feeling of betrayal doesn’t justify leaving his half-brother an orphan. But which crime is more understandable? I can sympathize a lot more with the pain Killian felt in the face of his father’s betrayal than I can with Regina murdering a man so she can destroy the lives of an entire kingdom.

2. Regina committed her crime to destroy the lives of an entire kingdom. Killian’s crime effected three people.

Regina committed cold-blooded premeditated murder of an innocent man for the sole purpose of ruining the lives of an entire kingdom. Her goal was to punish Snow for a crime she didn't even commit! The only person that Regina was taking into consideration here was herself.

Killian wasn’t even going to go through with Regina’s test of killing Brennan, a crook and a child abuser, until he learned his half-brother’s name. It became a heat of the moment crime. A crime that only effected three people: himself, his scumbag father and his half-brother.

"You named your boy Liam. After my brother, after the son… you abandoned. Was he really that easy to replace? I saw what you said to him in there! It's the same thing you said to me! It was a lie then, and it's a lie now! … you would leave me." - past Hook 5x11

And despite what Regina Apologists say, Killian didn’t kill Brennan out of jealousy. To frame this as simple as jealousy diminishes the gravity of the situation here and Killian's pain. Put yourself in Killian's shoes for a moment.

You can think Brennan is telling the truth in this scene but I don't blame Killian for not believing him. The man callously left his sons to be enslaved, an act that eventually led to his beloved brother’s death, and here he finds out that his father has simply replaced his brother with a new son. When faced with this, Killian's walls go back up.

Brennan naming his son Liam was not an apology. It was to assuage his own guilt and give himself a second chance. Brennan claims he was honoring Liam 1, and maybe he thought he was, but it doesn't mean that Liam 2 wasn't a replacement for the sons he abandoned.

Lastly, it's a lie to say Killian never showed remorse.

The fact that he made Regina swear never to speak of this shows how immensely guilty and wrecked Killian was over this.

He was also willing to die for Liam 2. Even in the past, he wanted to help his brother turn from the path he was on and not make the same bad choices he'd made. If Henry hadn't returned, Killian was ready to let Liam have his vengeance.

So I have some questions for the Regina Apologists:

If Henry Sr is a shitty father and doesn’t deserve an afterlife for not being able to protect his adult child from his powerful wife, then what does Regina deserve for emotionally abusing the son she illegally adopted and putting her curse and her happiness before his welfare? And yes, she abused Henry. Yes, she is to blame for how she treated him. This isn’t up for debate.

How is naming a child after your victim showing remorse and making up for the act? but Killian Jones can’t be forgiven when he actually expresses remorse and was willing to die for his half-brother and made peace with Liam (as Anonymous pointed out in the ask)?

if being a coward that didn’t stand up to someone more powerful means you don’t deserve happiness in the afterlife then what should murdering, raping and abusing children get you? Yeah, Regina did that.

So please answer the question Regina Apologists!

[dinneratgrannys]

Am I really forgiven?

[goosin-around]

Henry Sr: wow im so hungry

*young regina nervously petting rocinante: how hungry

[likehandlingroses]

OUAT Rewatch 5x12 - Souls of the Departed

I love you no matter what - that’s what fathers do. I’m not sure they do. I think you’re very special.

[the-regal-reginamills]

ONCE UPON A TIME | S1.E2 The Thing You Love Most

"I just want to be happy." – Queen Regina to Henry Sr

This home I've lost

Daddy. 

Ever since I was a little girl, I knew you would always be the only one I could trust. When life got rough and I had nowhere else to turn to, I knew you to be the one that would break my fall.

More than a friendly shoulder and a kind hand, you were my shelter. My sole friend and confidant.

You taught me loyalty. You taught me perseverance. But most of all, you taught me love, true and unconditional.

Your love, your sacrifice, gave me a new beginning. 

My only wish is that you could have met him.

BONUS | Incorrect Regina Mills

[ask-thequeen]

how are your parents doing

Unfortunately, both have long since passed.

[aniovandoblog]

[grtmnick]

So many feelings…

[victoriously-regal]

This is one of the greatest posts I’ve ever seen.

I think one day, you'll have more family than you'll know what to do with.

[dinneratgrannys]

ONCE UPON A TIME 5.12, Souls of the Departed

[victoriously-regal]

THE ABSOLUTE GLEE ON HENRY SR’S FACE WHEN SHE TELLS HIM THAT HENRY IS NAMED AFTER HIM — IT FILLS ME WITH SO MANY EMOTIONS. DEAR GOD, I’M STILL NOT OVER THIS SCENE IN THE SLIGHTEST 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹

Regina and her Henry’s.

[likehandlingroses]

OUAT Rewatch 6x14 - Page 23

Just promise me: you won't waste a single minute.

[queennomnom]

Regina was a great mother and no one can tell me otherwise

[victoriously-regal]

This episode had me SOBBING. When Regina introduced Henry Sr to Henry and he realised that she named her son after him, I melted.

It was such a beautifully performed scene

“I think you’re very special. I don’t understand how you can be so good.”

[justanoutlawfic]

Happy Father's Day

[once-upon-a-ouat]

OUATtober 2022 Day 20 - Family

Imagine if Cora had let Zelena stay with them. It's funny how Cora - one of the most pronounced schemers and manipulators of the whole show - went for the whole "counting on others makes you weak" philosophy instead of noticing all the opportunities that taking Zelena in had.

They could have passed it off as taking her in to raise her as nobles often do with the children of other nobles. Zelena was a commoner but she saved Regina's life and they could have easily used that as an explanation. No one outside the family had to know the truth of Zelena being Cora's biological daughter. Henry would have agreed to the whole thing as soon as he saw Regina's ecstatic smile.

Zelena could have been raised with the notion that being Regina's protector is the purpose of her life. It's the reason that she was given her powerful magic - to keep her sister safe. That's why Cora had to give her away because if she'd kept her, Regina wouldn't have come to exist. And Zelena was longing for the opportunity to be good and help people. Cora could have easily used her as a proxy to control Regina without either of the girls realizing that Zelena's beliefs regarding Regina's safety and all the advice coming out of her mouth are planted in her by Cora.

Both of them would have been manipulated but at least they would have been together and had the sisterly bond they had always wanted. They could have used it as their emotional support and Zelena wouldn't have had to hide her magic or be abused by her father. Henry would have certainly warmed up to her instantly and looked on her as his daughter not just because of her devotion to Regina but also because he can see that just like Regina she's a girl that only wants to be loved. It could have been a better life for both of them even if they'd been in the clutches of their manipulative mother.