#oripathy

[day-at-rhodes-island]

one thing i've been wondering, continually, is that if oripathy tends to spread outwards from the point of infection, why isn't amputation a viable treatment? i mean, i could see the argument that infection could remain from residual particles in organs, blood, etc, but it still seems like it would be an effective way to slow a particularly bad infection in a limb.

This actually has a fairly simple answer, oripathy doesn't spread from the point of infection.

Infection is determined by particulate concentration in the blood. You are considered infected once the levels rise to a point where ore lesions begin to form.

The infection site generally sees the development of ore lesions much faster than other areas, but this is usually due to originium particles left in the tissue during the infection event acting as nucleation sites. If you are at a point where the ore lesions start forming, that means it's in your blood, and cutting things off won't help. Even if you cut off the limb immediately, it probably isn't going to effect whether or not there are active particles already in your blood or not, so it's not going to help either.

So, surgical removal of ore lesions from non-vital organs isn't going to improve the patient's condition, and would likely just cause more damage. Ore lesions are generally benign, rarely causing more than slight issues moving when in skeletal muscle when properly treated, and rarely being the cause of death. Usually the cause of death from oripathy is multiple organ system failure caused by cascading mass cell assimilation (an oripathy flareup), which can be catalyzed by arts usage or just happen randomly.

[killacharacterbingo]

Kousekibyou

Kousekibyou or crystallization disease, is a condition where the person grows crystal all over their body until they are fully consumed.

It's strongly believed that Kousekibyou is based on oripathy from arknights.

A condition picked up when coming into contact with Originium shards, ingots and Originium particles in the air. A hard black substance starts growing on their body, which is part of the crystlization proces.

The crystallization will continue to spread through the Infected's body, causing pain and discomfort and inhibiting their ability to respirate and properly intake and distribute nutrition, which eventually causes organ failure. Upon the Infected's death, their body will eventually disintegrate in a way similar to spontaneous combustion — the crystals on their body start to glow, leaving behind Originium particle dust that can cause secondary Oripathy infections if the Infected's body is not isolated properly

[sunder-the-gold]

I don't understand Laterano's exile policy for the Infected

While there are some issues on which I'll defend Laterano, or at least argue that people should consider their perspective, I can't defend them on this one.

Laterano has no apparent reason to be ignorant to how hard it is for the Infected to infect others.

The only knowledge their government seems to suppress is anything related to the nature of The Law as a machine (which no one but the pope seems to know anyway), and anything related to their origins as Sarkaz (which I can't remember if even the pope suspected), and possibly the full details of what a Fallen Sankta is.

With freedom of information exceeded only by the Durin, with internal security and societal trust matched only by the Durin, with a lack of monetary corruption, with all the wealth they have, and with a survival-based incentive to stay ahead of the academic curve on Terra, Laterano MUST have one of the best primary and secondary education systems on Terra.

And Terra's medical science has already determined there is little to no risk for the Infected spreading Oripathy until their corpses disintegrate.

Additionally, building and maintaining public facilities and services to accommodate for the death and impending explosions of the Infected should be extremely easy for the well-oiled bureaucratic machine of the Lateran state.

[Guiding Ahead] actually showed us how efficient they are at handling the untimely death of a total social recluse. Handling the corpse of a monitored Infected should be simple in comparison, especially given the level of cooperation Lateran citizens show with their civil servants.

The moral absurdity of the exile is only slightly mitigated by the fact that the exiles remain full legal citizens, with the government checking in on them to make sure they're not being oppressed wherever they've made their home away from home. But paying to monitor and protect citizens in exile should be just as expensive as accommodating them at home; probably more so.

Laws

There are three kinds of laws in Laterano:

"The Law" itself. The secret machine that enforces its own unspoken, unwritten dictates.

The law chosen by the state, which the majority of the people accept without revolt.

And the law that the people demand the government enforce.

The Sarkaz ban could easily be either the second or the third. The highest levels of the original state wanted to keep any Sarkaz from accidentally revealing the true origins of the Sankta, but the modern people also hate and fear the Sarkaz.

But I don't see why the Infected ban would be either.

The People

The Sankta do not fear feeling the emotions of other Sankta suffering from injury and disease; they maintain public hospitals. They have funeral homes and mourning practices.

Also, Laterans show no discomfort at all with authorized, scheduled explosions. They regularly blow up public property with Originium for fun. Controlling for the explosions of the dead Infected would be far less fun, but no less safe.

The continued existence of their civilization depends on the mining, refining, and consumption of Originium. Everything from maintaining Laterano's mobility as a nomadic city, to fueling their factories, to serving as the accelerant for their explosives and the ammunition of their precious Guardian Guns.

Even with the world's best safety practices and protections for miners and gunsmiths, accidents happen. That's how Arene became Infected and exiled -- his parents either made a lapse in their safety practices or something completely unexpected happened in the course of an experiment.

The Secret

We have at least two Infected Sankta at Rhodes Island -- Adnachiel and Arene.

Neither one of them show any sign of Sarkaz heritage because of their Oripathy. They haven't Fallen, they retain full halo-empathy, they could use Guardian Guns if they asked Executor to conduct the test for them, they haven't grown horns or tails...

And on top of that, Ambriel shows absolutely no signs of discomfort in their presence. But then, she joined Rhodes Island in the first place, and no Sankta would do that if they were afraid of Oripathy.

The Law

The Pope suggests that if the Law has a goal or agenda, it is to ensure the survival of the Sankta.

Could the Law be the reason that the government exiles the Infected? Perhaps it sees their proximity as too much of a threat?

But the Law apparently does nothing to punish or discourage the Sankta from accepting Liberi as fellow citizens.

(I doubt the Law is actively refusing to transform Liberi into Sankta. Because if the Law truly wanted to ensure the survival of the Sankta, there would be few better ways to do that than to transform as many willing converts as possible into Sankta, or at least to allow non-Sankta to have Sankta children.)

We know that Sankta can become Infected in Laterano without an immediate response from the Law. Arene did not Fall. Though it is possible that the earliest generations of Sankta noticed that Infected Sankta who remained too close to the Law would eventually Fall.

[sameoldgb]

It just dawned on me that oripathy and the catastrophes are such a great analogy for capitalism. It grinds people to literal dust, which in turn feed the system back. Natural disasters on such a scale that individual people or groups are powerless to stop. And society grew around it, despite it.

[honouredsnakeprincess]

[squidwhumps]

2. Delirium

Is this her punishment? Kin-killer, joy-chaser? They’re eating her alive.

[texassbian]

that scene in code of brawl where emperor got shot and bison was the only one panicking LOL

[thegreatyin]

i feel like we're all glossing over this a bit too much. this is also the funniest collab ever

[rex101111]

Imagine Penance meeting W.

Like, W doesn’t even have to say anything to her, maybe they just pass each other in the hall, maybe Penance overhears something and looks over to see her annoying a few other operators in the cafeteria, whatever. Penance recognizes her. Just barely.

Sarkaz Mercenaries show up pretty much anywhere and everywhere on Terra, its just inherit to their life style. And Siracusa is probably well connected enough to the outside world to have heard about Reunion and what they tried to do. Or at least the public version of it. Chances are she also read a bunch of files in RI so she could learn a bit more of what came and happened before she joined.

And there, right there, is one of the damn leaders of a fucking terrorist cell just walking around this landship she’s decided to camp out in for however long like its no big thing, and she just found out about it. She’s worked with criminals before, and it ended well for absolutely no one. 

She knows about a bunch of the legally shady shit RI had done and is doing, but this is something she would have liked a warning about to prepare for it. If she needs to shove her face in the mud to get justice, again, she’ll do it. But it would have been nice to know what kind of mud to expect.

So, she barges into Doctor’s room, slams her hands on their desk and snarls, “why is there a terrorist war criminal walking around this ship?”

Whatever answer she was expecting, she sure as hell didn’t expect the Doctor to just blink at her and ask, a bit too confusedly, “uh, which one?”

A few seconds later everyone on the landship hears a screech of “FUCK DO YOU MEAN WHICH ONE!?” 

[oltammefru]

Some dots to connect:

[chryza]

Btw as a chronically ill person who berates myself constantly about not doing “enough” this line snapped me in half. I can will myself to push through incredibly difficult things but ultimately I cannot will myself better. It is real and that means the failure is not mine.

[cupids-patheon]

Actually thought of the night: how has whisperain not even caught oripathy with her weak body? Like. With Ægirs, its not even like they can’t catch oripathy Pudding and kiarara are Ægir and they have oripathy. Either im assuming

A.She got really lucky

Or

B. She was just. REALLY careful

Or

C. BOTH

Or . D. we could for fun start far fetched theorizing matpat style.

[gaemms-chamois]

it is PAPRIKA DAY!!!

[cyanide-rifle]

What if they shave off his fur to get a better look at the infection (lets ignore that they cant see it because of his fur AND skin) someone draw bald spot NEOW

[mai3phy]

Just like his namesake

[fishing-lesbian-catgirl]

I’m very curious what the arknights mutuals have to say about this: which of the doctors at Rhodes Island do you think most of the operators go to for hrt? Is it spread across all of them or is there a specific one who specializes in it?

partially asking bc in something I’m writing I went with Gavial bc I thought she’d be the funniest, but now I want to know what everyone else thinks