#obx theories

[lostsyren]

I'm actually excited for the scene where Sofia reveals to Rafe what she did because Fiona and Drew are such good actors I'm curious to see how they approach it and the nuances they bring to both characters! Also because I don't mind some good angst but I hope that doesn't spell the end of their story though I think it'll be a waste but I am worried because of the trust quote by drew about how trust is a big thing for rafe and that it's a sensitive subject for rafe and because Sofia isn't a big character putting her storyline to the side is something they would do😭 idk thoughts?

No because I’m actually so scared. Like yes angst love it, but if this will mean they never get back together again I’ll be so upset.

And yes I agree!! Fiona and Drew are like two of the strongest actors on obx (seeing Fiona’s work in Un Actor Malo was sooooo good) so ik they’ll bring their A game to the fight scenes/ emotionally charged scenes. And yes for sure, nothing the nuances will be so fun– their tones of voice, their physicality, how Rafe will treat her differently when he’s angry, how Sofia acts when she’s angry (since we’ve only seen her be mostly happy)

I think what will happen is that Sofia will try to fix things first without telling him, going to Hollis. And then eventually when that doesn’t work, she will try and work up the courage/ find the right time to tell him. BUT Hollis will try and undermine their relationship, telling Rafe about how Sofia manipulated him/ was bought off. Rafe wont believe her, knowing Sofia to be honest and kind, so he’ll bring it up infront of Sofia being like “can you believe Hollis tired to lie about you like that? She must really wanna get with me huh?” All jokey and unserious and then the guilt just overwhelms sofia and she just confesses, trying to explain. Rafe will be shocked and hurt, etc etc and it will just escalate into a massive argument from there, addressing all the tension Rafe’s “I have standards” comment brought about and just any flaws in their relationship

I hope they can come back from this tho😭I need them in season 5 (if it happens)

[ivy-34]

okay hear me out what if instead of JJ being related to the Cameron's it's the Thorntons by Topper's dad and Sarah's mom weird ik BUUUT that would feels crazy but at the same time is it?.... it would such a plot twist but idk that's only based off of spoilers and my imagination lol idk

[homebody-nobody]

this is me asking about your theories about mike and anna's teen pregnancy 👀👀

OKAY SO

Through watching season three, we know that Mike and Anna are having their fifteenth anniversary party. We ALSO know that Kie is obviously over fifteen. (this could also be interpreted as the *restaurant's* 15th anniversary, but I think it's a wedding anniversary, specifically on Vibes and Vibes Alone.) With these two pieces of information, we can infer that Kiara Carrera was born *GASP* out of wedlock. We can also BACK UP this inference with a line from season two, when Kiara says 'you're afraid I'll sleep with a pogue and end up pregnant, just like you did.' (we are hoping against hope that this is not foreshadowing. Please, Pates, for the LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY do not ALSO throw teen pregnancy into this mess. I digress.)

All of this information taken together points us thusly -- Kie was an unplanned pregnancy. We also know that Mike and Anna are significantly younger than Big John and the Heywards, although we have some allusion to the fact that Luke knew Anna back in the day. (Don't get me started on my Maybank Family Meta. It's *detailed*)

In order to dive into my theory that Kie was a teen pregnancy and it influenced Mike and Anna's 'success,' we need to examine Mike's (minimal) relationship with JJ, and JJ's storyline in season three. A lot of JJ's arc in season three (and in the other seasons overall) involve a decent amount of self-deprecating humor and some supposed-to-be-funny lines that just make you Really Fucking Sad. We see the culmination of this with Mike's line 'he's just like his father' and JJ stealing Mike's money clip. (Which like, I get that it was bad and it was a symbol and shit but like. Mike deserved it.) Kiara, naturally, is furious with him for 'giving them a reason.'

Essentially, JJ is a character that was born with a nasty reputation (thanks Luke). In past seasons and ESPECIALLY in this one, we understand that JJ *believes* everything said about him. He *believes* he's a bad influence/a loser/a bad kid/and just like his dad. (heartbreaking.) Part of the very heart of all the jiara development in season three involves Kie being FURIOUS that JJ would believe all that shit, both on his behalf, and AT HIM for believing it. When he says 'I'm sorry' in 3x09, he's apologizing for stealing the money clip, but he's also apologizing for believing what Mike (and everyone else) says about him, and apologizing for letting that be the reason he was convinced they shouldn't be together.

Now, bear with me. Because I believe that Mike hates JJ with such a fury because he used to BE JJ. Except, in Mike's case, his relationship with a girl from the other side of the island only ENFORCED that belief, rather than undermining it. Mike believes that he had to work hard to get out of the cut, and resents JJ for not doing the same work -- Mike truly believes that he was once a no-good dirty-rotten petty thief, and thus believes that JJ is, too. Except, in his eyes, he 'did the work' to get out, and JJ is, well. not doing that.

This is where the teen pregnancy loops back in. Mike and Anna own a restaurant. To start a restaurant, you need investors. If it was the Cut Community that pulled together behind them to support their dream, Mike would undoubtedly retain an ENORMOUS sense of loyalty to that community, and STILL be shitting on Figure Eight to this day. But, he's not. Why, you ask? Probably because Anna's Parents were the initial investors for the Wreck. If Mike got Anna pregnant and Anna's family Had Feelings about it, Mike would have had to PROVE that he intended to provide for Anna and Kie. What better way than to start a business. Anna's parents probably invested in it in order to preserve their relationship with their daughter and parent the best way rich people know how -- by throwing money at the problem.

Thus, Mike believes that the only way out of the Cut is by bowing and scraping to those on Figure Eight, treating them with 'respect' and 'earning' their approval (money). We also have bits and pieces of Anna telling Kie that she wants Kie to have the opportunities she had, and that they had to 'work hard' to get into the island club, maintain their reputation, etc. This evidence supports the idea of Anna being a disgraced kook, and, combined with Kie's comment about 'getting pregnant with a pogue,' gives us a pretty solid reason why Anna and Mike wouldn't be automatically accepted by Figure Eight and the rest of 'Good Society.'

The 'teen' part is mostly based on the anniversary party vs. Kie's age, but is enforced by the fact that Mike and Anna are TERRIFIED of Kie running around with 'those boys' at her age -- probably because Anna did the same thing, and ended up pregnant and at the mercy of her own parents. It's also looped in by them being afraid that she's 'throwing away her future.' Projection much, babes? Anna 'threw away' her future when she got pregnant at Kie's age, and explains her absolute desperation to keep her daughter from doing the thing.

That's about as coherent as I can make it lol so I hope it makes sense!!

[hepaidattention]

OBX s4 ideas?

• flashbacks throughout the season of stuff we missed between the time jump. maybe show us some jiara missing scenes, show us jarah starting up their surf shop

• Rafe full villain mode now. with Ward being dead, there's no way Rafe won't blame Sarah (who he instructed to keep his father safe). I feel like Rafe will either go completely nuts or take a 360 turn as a good guy. good guy feels unlikely. he'll probably get that arc once he's done some more horrible things in the name of his father

• vengeful Topper on Team!Rafe since ya boys now a full fledged arsonist tsk tsk

• Kie and JJ are together, but they're gonna have a rocky season OR they're not together and we have to watch them work stuff out to go back to each other again. considering we already watched all s3 will they/won't they my guess is just a rocky season. jarah has been through too much for them to be the rocky relationship anymore and JJ is too damaged for their not to be difficulties to overcome. Kie's parents, for one.

• jiara still be jiara. super casual about it all when with the pogues because they're still best friends, only when they're alone they get into a little more trouble ;)

• the pogues all dealing with a little bit of a identity crisis. they're rich but still pogues and still treated like pogues for the most part, and they'll have to figure out where they fit in now as young adults

• this is a longshot but always my dream: JJs mom comes back and turns out that Sarah and JJ are siblings

• they'll a be dealing with adulthood now and it'll be weird for them. jiara and jarah will have to face how to be in a mature relationship where they both have jobs and lives, and they'll have to now deal with their careers getting in the way of treasure hunting rather than school and parents

• JJ is going to try really hard not to screw stuff up with Kie and act on his natural self destructive tendencies and I think s4 might really focus on how damaged JJ really is, having to face those demons head on if he wants to really be with Kie.

• I would do anything for some pure full-pogue crew scenes, all of them just together and living life, dancing, laughing on JJs new boat

• Kie will still be working things out with her parents. she'll probably have some serious trust issues and probably a lot of fights.

• Jarah gets legally married. I would CRY for a Jarah wedding oh my god. And JJ and Pope the groomsmen and Sarah and Cleo the bridesmaids and JJ crying as John B gives his vows ALSO crying and Pope's dad marries them 😭😭 I literally would cry so hard it needs to happen.

• and meanwhile they'll still be trying to find Blackbeards treasure, which I am excited about because it isn't a personal treasure to find at this point. they're literally just looking for it because they love the hunt and they're a bunch of adrenaline junkies. there's no "if we don't find it I'll die of starvation" or "it belonged to my family legacy" mentality connected to it, so it makes the opportunity for seeing other characters growth much easier. I'm excited

• the Pogues being like official treasure hunters now, and JJ makes jokes about their new team name (bad ones only) and acts like they need to do a vlog and share it to the world.

• John B rebuilds the chateau with his new fortune and the Pogues still do most their hanging out there. JJ lives in his boat but he also docks it at John Bs dock and spends most his time annoying Sarah and John B, who I predict live together

• this season will likely happen the summer before Pope goes off to school, so directly after s3 ends. OBX is known for taking three months max in a time span for a season and Pope going to school will complicate things. if the show got a s5, they would either have to time jump AGAIN or only take place in the summer so Pope will still be there for the treasure hunting.

• Cleo and Pope will have to figure out what they really mean to each other, since Pope is going to school. my guess is the break up because of him leaving, but by the end they decide that's stupid and get back together.

what do you guys think will happen???

[whosstella]

Why is everyone saying that Kie “will have the best revenge” for JJ?? THAT BITCH WATCHED HIM GET STABBED AND JUST STOOD THERE LIKE: 🧍🏻‍♀️???

WDYM BEST REVENGE???? Rafe didn’t even know him like AT ALL and was more pissed than kie. She was LITERALLY the shittiest gf like ever?? Jb, Sarah and Pope literally lost their brother watch out for them. And ofc our fave loco murder Rafyy😍. But Kie? NAHHHHHH y’all are actually delusional

[whytheylosttheirminds]

Even if Rafe dies tomorrow like no he didn’t. I will not accept that option. They can take my country but they can’t take my man

[maybankiara]

obx brainrot but i really want them to reveal what happened during kiara's kook year. if we really get a whole show without revealing that... and what's the deal with her and rafe? they've been hinting at something for so long, but never elaborating... honestly. just give me info about kiara's kook year. please. please.

[patheticrafeenjoyer]

i know in my soul ward almost freudian slipped and said "he's just a little crazy/unstable"

[angrygirlromero]

I’m convinced that obx writers stole the idea of rafe’s love interest from a fanfic

[lostsyren]

how do you think rafe will end up in morocco with the pogues? i reckon it might have something to do with rafe working with chandler because he'll probably lose the 400k so in return he has to get the treasure for them or something and in turn is like lowkey going to betray the pogues. also do you think if rafe and sarah end up rekindling their relationship it'll be a catalyst to rafe forgiving sofia because what rafe did to sarah was so much worse than what sofia did to rafe. bc imo it's not like when he finds out it isn't going to linger on him, it'll instigate a psychological battle where his feelings of trusting people get even more tainted and he very much cares about sofia (you can tell from their scene in goat island especially where he hangs onto every expression she makes after saying he sees a future with her) so he will miss her presence in some sort of way but i don't think he'll be able to forgive her on his own, like without someone else helping him see her pov.

I definitely think Hollis and Chandler have something to do with Rafe being in Morocco. Perhaps Hollis and Chandler are actually not as rich as they seem, and that’s the reason they needed Rafe’s money and Rafe basically tails them to get his revenge/get his money back (since we have bts photos of Chandler in Morocco he followed him there) and that’s the reason why Rafe’s with the pogues: both of them need to get back at/go after Chandler.

And then (building off of your idea) Rafe betrays the pogues because Chandler convinces him to help him instead, saying he’ll give Rafe a cut of the money???

I don’t know, we’ll see what happens!!

Oooo I love that idea!! I would love for Rafe and Sarah to make amends and I definitely see him realising he misses Sofia, and trying to fix things with her (after he presumably gets mad at her for betraying him).

I love your theory soooo much!!! Ahhhh yes definitely, he needs someone to push him into forgiving Sofia, or to make him look at things from her perspective!!

And I agree, her betrayal is gonna mess him upppp, I’m scared but at the same time excited to seeeee!!

[willbyersenthusiast]

MASSIVE FUCKING SPOILER AHEAD FOR OBX 4 BUT I NEED TI TALK ABOUT THIS CUS IM PISSED AND NOW HAVE A THEORY

okay back to normal text. so i just got obx 4 fucking spoiled for me and i’m like 95% sure they kill JJ. and i am so fucking mad but this has lead me to an almost 100% certainty that steve is gonna die in season 5 of ST. it makes sense idk why.

[hardlypartying]

i’m so thankful for the s3 riara plotline and the crumbs we will continue to get through s4 because of that. HOWEVER i will forever grieve the possible kook year flashback episode which could have explored rafe and kie’s past.

riara in s1 will forever be my roman empire 😭

tell me about it 😭 ill be going about my day and remember the fumble and wince. who knows maybe we’ll get a throwaway line alluding to something or another about kook year that we’ll explode about and weave into canon so we can hold onto that for the rest of our lives

[merrymissmouse43]

So I couldn’t help but notice we haven’t gotten a scene inside JJ and Kiara’s bedroom yet.

They wouldn’t have bothered setting up that room with all of the character’s stuff if they didn’t plan on using it in the show, right?

[whosstella]

Why jiara is actually the worst ship. In s1 ,yes, they had chemistry and all that but we can clearly see that it changed quickly and it’s really not the same from s2. The whole pope and kie breaking up felt as random as their whole relationship. Then they made jiara which somehow felt even more forced than pope and kie’s break up. No real reason as to why they’re together, no real relationship/romance building apart from very few scenes in s3. And all of the sudden they’re….something. Kie saying I love you dude was the most random line ever in the show. S4 jiara was probably the worst part of the season apart from the end. Kiara was literally the worst gf for JJ and maybe worst overall character in the show. She was never there for JJ when he really needed her (while he literally left everyone behind and a plane for eldorado and broke her out of the wilderness camp thing AND he was there when all the shit happened with her parents), she just let him get drunk off his ass for weeks on end without doing anything to help him. He told her specifically not to tell anyone about his real father and first thing she does is tell jb and Sarah. She didn’t even hug him when he told her. After he almost died ,again,she basically ignored him from that point on until the last episode. She watched him get stabbed and JUST STOOD there and the SHES all revenge and shit?? Bruh come on who are you trying to fool??? Cause you ain’t fooling me. It would have been better if they both had completely new love interests and I really hope they do that in s5,JJ deserves so much better than gf who doesn’t give a single fuck abt him. I could honestly go on and on abt this but I think you get my point.

P.S.: I don’t even want to comment on the Madelyne situation 😭 I’m just so sad abt it ��🧍🏻‍♀️

[multiverses-and-promdates]

dear obx writers, please don't make rafe have a dramatic coming out in season 4. it would be so much better if his relationship with barry was just casually treated as a given fact because it's the most natural thing that these two are together. thanks.

[jjclopelover]

JJPope arguments = hidden meanings?

Is it just me, or do they feel more personal or real when JJPope argues/have serious conversations? Don't get me wrong, all the characters have their moment to portray their raw emotions, especially in arguments or fights. But with JJ and Pope, it's different. When they go at it (like about the restitution or the plan to get John B out of jail), it feels like there is more hidden in those arguments than the fans and the rest of the pogues see. Like they always get closer to each other and really maintain eye contact, almost like they are saying different things with their eyes. Like they had a history that we don't know about. I might sound absolutely crazy, but please let me know if you understand what I'm saying.