#nya dies in SKYbound Jay dies in SEAbound

[enavstars]

May you bliss us with your angst ninja headcanons?

mainly kai pls

Sorry for the delay. You asked mostly for Kai's so I delivered. If anyone wants more hcs about the others I can work on it some time in the future (I also have more of Kai).

Now the hcs:

• All the ninja have PTSD from everything they’ve been through

• And abandonment issues

• Cole has an eating disorder and eats when he’s stressed, this is one of the reasons he is very insecure of his weight. People online poke at him for it

• Jay's terrified of losing his loved ones again because of him. That is another reason why he went absolutely crazy post Seabound, as he thinks it was his fault Nya had to resort to sacrificing herself

• He used to be bullied for living in a junkyard before becoming a ninja and that's why he was ashamed of it

• Zane always shoves down everything wrong that happens to him (e.g being the Ice Emperor for way too long to be ok about it) because he puts the team and their needs first.

• Nya has nightmares from the time she died in skybound but doesn't tell anyone.

• She had to keep her work and love life secret from her brother for fear that he would shut her down to protect her. Her fear persisted well into s1 and that's why she felt she had to hide Samurai X even from Kai

• Lloyd still admires his uncle despite his obsession with the green ninja (and all the neglect that came with it) because he's the only relative that actually took him in

• All of the ninja have at some point hidden an injury at least once. But Kai and Nya are the ones that do it more often (Nya specially when she was samurai X), and know how to treat mild wounds because of it.

• Kai and Nya do physical activities when they’re stressed or have emotions they don’t want to process. They can do their thing like Kai working in the forge and Nya doing mechanics but they usually train, however they can go on for hours (Kai has passed out a few times)

• Kai and Zane have a very poor sense of self. Zane’s comes from him not valuing his life and thinking he’s expendable since he can be rebuilt, ignoring all the trauma that comes from getting severely hurt or “dying”. Kai has problems seeing his worth as a human being because he’s never lived for himself; everything he does is for someone else and so he thinks his value resides in what he can do for other people. 

• Kai is terrified of the idea of being alone, it’s his worst fear.

• He has THE WORST coping mechanisms and Zane is confused on how his body was able to go through all of them (Alcoholism, illegal fights, smoking…)

• Kai is an insomniac, he barely sleeps most nights and instead just waits until he passes out (He has very deep eyebags because of it but hides them with make up, covering his freckles too). He sometimes bumps into some other ninja at night since they all have fucked up sleep schedules. 

• Lloyd also has a lot of problems sleeping because of nightmares and goes to Kai or Nya’s room where he feels safer (mostly into Kai’s). Sometimes they stay up at night chilling or they try to sleep. In those cases the nights with Lloyd are the ones where Kai sleeps the most because he feels safer too.

• Kai has chronic depression because of his fucked up childhood

• Lloyd thought he had depression too for a while but it turned out to be autistic burnout because of the stress of being the green ninja. But he can’t properly rest or heal from the burnout so he’s exhausted most of the time.

• When he’s stressed Kai forgets to eat and can go days with very little food because he’s used to it from being poor in his childhood.

• Genuinely forgot what it feels like to be a kid and have no responsibilities so it’s his personal mission to not let that happen to Lloyd. Kai would be devastated if Lloyd ended up like him.

• Kai sometimes feels insecure about his face scars and contemplates hiding them with make up.

• Kai’s touch starved but terrified of letting people in.

• He hides his negative emotions as anger and when the others try to reach out to him he pushes them away by getting angry at them until it's mutual and they leave him alone.

• Never told the others about what he did after Zane’s “death”. He fixed himself up, alone.

[master-jarrus]

So I found out about Splinter in Dead man’s eye

It puts Lloyd at age 9 when he was the green ninja

So I’m redoing my timeline for the show

Pilot episodes:

Kai is the oldest at 15

Cole is 15 but a few months younger

Zane’s body is actually about eight years old but I hc that Professor Julien had his program running on computers for awhile so Zane is actually 12 acts like an adult though so they just assume he’s 17

Jay is 14

Nya is 13

Rise of the serpentine

It’s been exactly a year

Lloyd is 9

Kai and Cole 16

Zane 13

Jay 15

Nya 14

Legacy of the Green Ninja

Nyas birthday passed making her 15

Rebooted

Kai and Cole 17

Lloyd just turned 10

Zane 14

Jay 15

Nya 15

Tournament of Elements

Year has passed

Kai and Cole are officially adults at 18

Lloyd is 11

Zane’s program is 15

Jay is 17 but he lied and said 18 to become a tv host

Nya will be turning 17 soon

Skylor is 17

Possession

Lloyd is 12 but will soon be 13

Kai is 19

Cole will be 19 when he turns into a ghost

Zane is 16

Jay is officially 18

Nya is 17

Morro died at 20

Skybound technically didn’t happen but

Lloyd is 15 and they have to do limited screen time which is why he’s missing for like half the episode they were filming

Kai and Cole are 21 Kai went drinking Cole has not because he is a ghost and doesn’t see the point

Zane is 18

Jay will soon be 20

Nya is 19

Hands of time

Obviously happens after the time span that Skybound would’ve taken up if Jay hadn’t wished it back

I say they are still all about the same age but now Jay is 20

Sons of Garmadon

Lloyd will soon be 16

Harumi is confirmed 14

Kai and Cole 22

Zane is 19

Jay is 21, Kai and Nya took him out to celebrate but the others were out on missions he let Nya have some of his alcohol and Kai made him pay for it because of that

Nya is 20

Hunted

Same ages

March of the Oni

Lloyd is sixteen now

Secrets of Forbidden Spinjitzu

Lloyd is 17

Kai and Cole 23

Zane made it to 20

Jay 22

Nya 21

Prime Empire

Zane 124

Shintaro

Same ages

The island and Seabound

Nya turns 22

Crystallized

Lloyd is 18

Kai and Cole 24

Zane 125

Jay 23

Nya does she age when she’s water? I mean I guess 22

Dragons Rising

Lloyd is 20 when the merge happens but meets Arin when is 25

Kai at time of merge 26 reconnects with everyone one at 31

Zane is 127, when his program isn’t running should he age?

Nya 24 reconnects with them at 29

Cole 26 runs into Nya right after 31st birthday

Jay 24 merge happened before his birthday. In his cameo he’s 30

Arin is five at the time of the merge and is 10 when he meets Lloyd

Sora eight at the time of the merge and is 14 they went to junkyard for her birthday and entered the race

[kitkat-the-muffin]

I need to talk about Skybound and Seabound as narrative parallel seasons

Skybound! Sky! Lightning! Jay!

Seabound! Sea! Water! Nya!

Jay’s story is so focused on preventing further sacrifice only for him to give up his entire season in exchange for Nya’s life

Meanwhile, Nya’s story isn’t focused on the concept of sacrifice much at all, which only makes her final act all the more tragic because it never felt like the only solution, even if it was. She sacrificed her humanity for Jay’s life

And sure they both recover from it. Jay still remembers his arc and so does Nya, and Nya stops being the literal ocean after half a season, but the impact of their decisions still linger with them. The ninja went to prison for trying to bring Nya back in Seabound, and they pretty much died multiple times in Skybound trying to help Jay

And I wanna clarify that Jay’s sacrifice was not just his season, but the understanding of the season by his teammates. Only he and Nya remember Skybound, besides Zane’s hard-drive footage (which I assume is why Nadakhan got a mural on their villains wall lol), so Jay still retains his character development and Nya hers

However, no one else remembers what happened. Jay sacrificed their memories, their character development, but most importantly their respect. They don’t understand Jay in the way that Nya does, because they no longer remember the time he was leader, the pain he went through, the mistakes he made nor his atonement. And that is one hell of a narrative sacrifice

Skybound ends with the world returning to its former glory, while Seabound ends with the world becoming a shadow of its former self, and the team becomes lost without Nya (just like when they lost Zane in Rebooted)

The seasons parallel each other aaaaaaa

[ll-0-yd]

What is the deal with Kai's everything being so overlooked?

DRAGONS RISING SEASON TWO SPOILERS

I was scrolling through AO3 for Dragons Rising Part 2 angst related to you know- KAI BEING SACRIFICED, and all of the fics were about Jay losing his memory?

It got me thinking about how Kai's relationship with Nya has always been pushed aside in favour of her and Jay's, like seriously that's his sister for crying out loud, move over Jay you're just the boyfriend.

In skybound when Nya died, who was holding her? In seabound who got to speak to her and try to convince her to stay? In crystalized whose grief was more focused on?

Jay.

Why is it all about Jay? Kai raised her, and he became a ninja to save and protect her, he's literally related to her!

I MEAN SURELY HE CARES CUS THATS HIS GODDAMM SISTER RIGHT?!?!

He cared when Zane died (s3), Lloyd got possessed (s5) and kidnapped (pretty much every season), and when Cole fell (s10) so it's not like they are trying to write his character as the no emotions-suffer-in-silence kind of guy right?

It's not just with his relationship with Nya, anytime something bad happens to Kai he's either directly told to get over it or, forced to focus on something else, then the issue seems to be forgotten?

Not just by the fandom but by the writers too! And until recently people still believed he was just a selfish character that only thinks about himself, when that really was never the case!!

When Zane died Kai said this to Lloyd: " And where's the Master of Ice, huh? He's gone, but I'm still here. Who cares about honour? It should've been me. I should've been the one—"

He is literally talking about taking Zane's place in being the one who died, not because he's selfish but because he thinks Zane was a more useful member of the team!? He felt like he could and should have done more to make sure Zane didn't do what he did, to protect him, and instead of being comforted in this state of mind, he got told: "You always thought you should've been the one. First, it was being the Green Ninja, now this. When are you gonna start thinking of someone other than yourself?"

THAT IS NOT A SELFISH STATEMENT. Not cool Lloyd, I love u but not cool. >:(

I could give more examples but I have a Lloyd plush to save!

(my father said if I don't get an A on my next school assignment he'll feed the new Lloyd plush he got me to the dog...)

ANYWHIZZLE THANKS FOR COMING TO MY TED TALK

[hyakujuuou]

My biggest problem with Ninjago’s writing is how meaningless death and sacrifice are.

The first major character death is Zane’s sacrifice, which is still cited as one of the saddest Ninjago moments, because it was expected that he had died at that moment and the audience doesn’t go into the sacrifice the idea of him coming back. Even afterwards, there’s no strong indication that he’s going to be completely remade and rejoin the ninja team— he lives on, but differently.

Next season, Zane is remade and rejoins the team. The idea of nindroids coming back from the dead is introduced to the audience and the stakes of life-threatening situations are removed for Zane— as long as technology exists, he can be remade.

At the end of Possession, Morro sacrifices himself. This “death” (really his second death) is portrayed as final and irreversible. The quote about Wu only being able to save those who want to be saved seals it: Morro is going and he doesn’t want to come back.

Morro is brought back from the dead for Day of the Departed.

Also, Cole is made into a ghost, which is initially portrayed as something permanent, but Day of the Departed makes what reads like a few quick excuses and undoes it. Between Morro and Cole, it is demonstrated that death is not permanent for ghosts.

At the end of Possession, Garmadon sinks with the Preeminent. He passes on his leadership, lessons, and robes to Lloyd and they sail away. Lloyd goes on to honour his father’s memory and become the leader Ninjago needs.

Garmadon is brought back by Harumi, just as Lloyd has moved on. He demonstrates that death is not permanent for Oni.

In Skybound, Nya is killed, but Jay’s wish undoes the events of the season brings her back to life.

When Cole falls from the Bounty in March of the Oni, he somehow defies the properties of the Oni cloud and returns to the ninja. The show doesn’t even elaborate on that.

Lloyd is crushed in the battle at the end of March of the Oni and meets the FSM, who brings him back.

Prime Empire deaths are reversed at the end of the season.

Harumi, Vangelis, and Aspheera are clearly defeated and Harumi’s “death” was read as heavily implied.

They return, as well as Garmadon, for Crystallised.

Nya sacrifices herself and turns, irreversibly, into the ocean in Seabound. She also returns in her normal form for Crystallised.

Overall, the way the series repeatedly refuses to make character death and character sacrifice meaningful and give these things real, appropriately far-reaching consequences creates a mindset of “oh, this character is dying. They’ll be back.” and makes it difficult to convey the full emotional impact of a beloved major character giving their life in the pursuit of their goals because there’s a heavy precedent of characters almost immediately having their death reversed. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that keeping something like this up will get boring after a few seasons (I acknowledge that Ninjago is ultimately just 22-minute advertisements for Lego toys, but I think I can still care about the plot).

It’s also not just that the characters are immediately brought back, it’s that their death has absolutely no effect on the plot moving forward other than “Ninjago wasn’t destroyed last season”. Sure, Zane is silver sometimes and Cole briefly had a scar, but the characters don’t mention that they literally died (or equivalent), it has no psychological effects*, it doesn’t lead into the next season’s plot points, and it doesn’t affect the narrative at all. Each season that was resolved with a character sacrifice or each arc that ended in a character death could very easily have been resolved any other way without significantly altering the plot in the long run.

*I acknowledge that Ninjago is for kids, but if Ninjago can have fantasy violence, it can have fantasy consequences of violence. I fully believe that there is a way to discuss mental health in an age-appropriate way if a writer wants to put in the effort.

There’s another post to be made about how Ninjago handles side characters’ achievements in this exact same way.

[nerdyenby]

Am heavily considering writing @destinysbounty’s “if Pythor didn’t suck” au and realizing that literally only season 7 remains relatively intact

Season one’s climax is largely avoided considering Pythor’s massive involvement in the resurrection of the Great Devourer

No Great Devourer = Garmadon isn’t given the golden weapons = no megaweapon plot = no traumatic loss of childhood for lil Lloyd (at least not in the literal sense), final battle may or may not still happen but if it does Garm is throwing hands with a whole ass eight year old

Assuming the final battle still takes place, we still get the first half of season three relatively unchanged until the blackout successfully wiped out the Overlord without Pythor’s intervention, no space arc and Zane doesn’t die

Chen is most likely still doing stuff but since Zane’s still alive season 4 would look a lot different, especially considering Pythor’s role in Chen’s success

If Chen doesn’t get to pythor to complete the spell the season 4 finale would probably look very different, potentially not including Garmadon’s self sacrifice that resulted in Morro’s release. If that’s the case season 5 just straight up does not happen, possibly leading to Nya not discovering her powers until even later

If season 5’s final fight didn’t happen and Stiix isn’t destroyed then most of the setup for season 6 goes out the window, depending on how this alternate version of season 4 went it’s possible Clouse isn’t even still around at this point. This one’s more up in the air but I think there’s a considerable chance Nadakhan is never released

Pythor had absolutely nothing to do with the time twins’ return!! The ninja get to fight bad guys again lmao

No evil Pythor = no Great Devourer = no evil Harumi = no Sons of Garmadon = no resurrected Garmadon, seasons 8 and 9 are out of here lmao

Season 10 is a direct consequence of Harumi’s actions and all that followed, it too is canceled

The ninja accidentally release Aspheera as a result of not knowing what to do with themselves, in this timeline they’ve seen far less action and are used to having long stretches of time between villains, possibly even have side hussles, season 11 is gone.

Okay, season 12 might stay relatively unchanged but that’s a big maybe considering the Mechanic is responsible for the inciting incident and his origin story was a result of season 4. Things probably played out similarly for him but if they didn’t then there’s a good chance Prime Empire never got going. But even if it did, if Skybound didn’t happen then Jay didn’t find out he was adopted and may not have been able to talk down Unagami as well as he did

On the surface, season 13 is vibing BUT as of Crystallized, we know Vangelis’s actions are being funded by Harumi and the Overlord, neither of whom would be active at this time in this au. There’s a good chance he’s still a slaveowner because people like that don’t really need a reason to be fucking horrid but it’s not a given

(The Island is season 14 in my books, it’s the same length as season 10) the conflict is kicked off by Wu’s mid-life(???) crisis in season 13 which may or may not occur similarly in this universe. It’s also more than likely that the ninja never met Clutch in this au since season 11 didn’t happen. It would probably still happen but it would look very different, I’m not sure and I’ll need to rewatch to make up my mind

Assuming Nya does in fact unlock her true potential at some point and some semblance of season 14 happens, I believe Seabound is relatively unchanged. Pogchamp for season 15 being the only other survivor of this au lol

Circling back to season 8, Crystallized just straight up does not happen. Nya would presumably have still died the season prior though so in this universe season 16 can be more about that. Though, since season 11 didn’t happen meaning Aspheera isn’t around, they’d have to find another way to bring Nya back. All in all would be a very different story but one I’m very interested in seeing

When it is inevitably revealed that the Merge was caused by something the ninja did, there’s a good chance DR doesn’t happen. Until then, season 17 theoretically remains relatively unchanged (with the exception of tomorrow’s tea having never happened and Lloyd being younger than he is in canon and this closer to Arin and Sora’s age)

[uhhhyaenbyjade]

So Ive been making a timeline for Ninjago (also incorporated some other themes like the Castle series, Ultra Agents, Galaxy Squad, Monster Fighters, Dino, etc.), but here are my headcanons for the ages of all the main characters, listed from oldest to youngest:

The First Spinjitzu Master: ~100,000 years old upon death

Garmadon: ~1,500 when FSM died, 1,761 in Pilot, 1,763 in Rebooted, 1,764 in SoG (cuz he was dead), 1,769 in Crystalized

Wu: ~1,500 when FSM died - 1,761 in Pilot, 1,763 in Rebooted, 3 in SoG (thanks Time Twins), 1,771 in Crystalized

Zane: Created in 210 AD* - 51 in Pilot, 53 in Rebooted, 56 in SoG, 136 in Crystalized (cuz Never Realm)

Cole: Born in 246 AD - 15 in Pilot, 17 in Rebooted, 20 in SoG, 25 in Crystalized

Kai: Born in 246 AD - 15 in Pilot, 17 in Rebooted, 20 in SoG, 25 in Crystalized

Jay: Born in 246 AD - 15 in Pilot, 17 in Rebooted, 20 in SoG, 25 in Crystalized

Nya: Born in 248 AD - 13 in Pilot, 15 in Rebooted, 18 in SoG, 23 in Crystalized

Lloyd: Born in 252 AD - 9 during Pilot, 15 in Rebooted (cuz of Tomorrow’s Tea), 18 in SoG, 23 in Crystalized

* AD = After Death (of the First Spinjitzu Master)

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Here’s a quick basic look at the timeline! If you guys want to see more, just lmk!

~98,000 YBD** - The FSM creates the continent of Ninjago

~2,400 YBD - The Overlord emerges and fights the FSM until Ninjago is split in two

~1,500 YBD - Garmadon and Wu are born

~1,489 YBD - Wu and Garmadon defeat Aspheera’s coup

~1,476 - Spinjitzu Brothers

0 YBD - The FSM dies

80 AD - Nadakhan the Djinn is banished from Djinjago, and starts his piracy

192 AD - The Ice Emperor’s reign begins in the Never Realm

210 AD - Zane is created

240 AD - The Serpentine War begins

233 AD - Moro dies in the Caves of Despair

246 AD - Kai, Cole, and Jay are born

248 AD - Nya is born

252 AD - Lloyd is born

261 AD - Pilot Season

262 AD - Rise of the Snakes, Legacy of the Green Ninja

263 AD - Rebooted

264 AD - Tournament of Elements, Possession, Skybound

265 AD - Dark Island Trilogy, Day of the Departed, Hands of Time

266 AD - Sons of Garmadon, Hunted

269 AD - March of the Oni, Secrets of the Forbidden Spinjitzu, Prime Empire

270 AD - Master of the Mountain, The Island, Seabound

271 AD - Crystalized

**YBD - Years Before Death (of FSM)

[purpledisastertwin900]

Oh my gosh was no one gonna tell me?!?!?!

Jay’s focus season: Skybound

Nyas focus Season: Seabound

THEY BOTH HAVE A SEASON WITH A NAME THAT INSINUATES A JOURNEY/DESTINATION THAT ALSO TIES BACK TO THE PERSONAL JOURNEY AND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT THEY GO TO BOTH AS A PERSON AND AS A COUPLE AND IN BOTH SEASONS NYA DIES AND THEY BOTH GO THROUGH HORRIFIC TRUAMA AND GET SEPARATED AND BOTH SEASONS GO SO HARD EMOTIONALLY THIS WAS INTENTIONAL OMG IM SCREAMING

[weirdestninjago]

Ninjago Age Headcanons

(And red means they died that season-just for my personal reference. Although I do have a separate list just for specifics)

Pilot:

Jay-13

Zane-45, 15 (physically)

Cole-14

Kai-14

Nya-12

Season 1: Rise of the Snakes

Jay-13

Zane-45, 15 (physically)

Cole-14

Kai-14

Nya-12

Lloyd-7

Season 2: Legacy of the Green Ninja

Jay-13

Zane-45, 15 (physically)

Cole-14

Kai-14

Nya-12

Lloyd-7, 15 (physically)

Season 3: Rebooted

Jay-14

Zane-46, 15 (physically)

Cole-15

Kai-15

Nya-13

Lloyd-8, 16 (physically)

Pixal-1, 20 (physically)

Season 4: The Tournament of Elements

Jay-15

Zane-47, 18 (physically)

Cole-16

Kai-16

Nya-14

Lloyd-9, 17 (physically)

Pixal-2, 20 (holographically)

Season 5: Possession

Jay-15

Zane-48, 18 (physically)

Cole-17

Kai-16

Nya-15

Lloyd-10, 18 (physically)

Pixal-2, 20 (holographically)

Season 6: Skybound

Jay-16

Zane-49, 18 (physically)

Cole-17

Kai-17

Nya-15

Lloyd-11, 19 (physically)

Pixal-3, 20 (holographically)

Day of the Departed

Jay-16

Zane-49, 18 (physically)

Cole-18

Kai-17

Nya-16

Lloyd-11, 19 (physically)

Pixal-3, 20 (holographically)

Season 7: Hands of Time

Jay-16

Zane-49, 18 (physically) [actually died twice this season]

Cole-18

Kai-17

Nya-16

Lloyd-11, 19 (physically)

Pixal-4, 20 (holographically/physically)

Season 8: Sons of Garmadon

Jay-17

Zane-50, 21 (physically)

Cole-19

Kai-18

Nya-17

Lloyd-12, 20 (physically)

Pixal-5, 20 (physically)

Season 9: Hunted

Jay-17

Zane-50, 21 (physically)

Cole-19

Kai-18

Nya-17

Lloyd-12, 20 (physically)

Pixal-5, 20 (physically)

Season 10: March of the Oni

Jay-17

Zane-50, 21 (physically)

Cole-19

Kai-18

Nya-17

Lloyd-12, 20 (physically)

Pixal-5, 20 (physically)

Season 11: Secrets of Forbidden Spinjitzu-Fire Chapter

Jay-18

Zane-51, 21 (physically)

Cole-20

Kai-19

Nya-18

Lloyd-13, 21 (physically)

Pixal-6, 20 (physically)

Season 11: Secrets of Forbidden Spinjitzu-Ice Chapter

Jay-19

Zane-111, 21 (physically)

Cole-20

Kai-20

Nya-19

Lloyd-13, 21 (physically)

Pixal-6, 20 (physically)

Season 12: Prime Empire

Jay-20

Zane-112, 21 (physically)

Cole-21

Kai-21

Nya-19

Lloyd-13, 21 (physically)

Pixal-7, 20 (physically)

Season 13: Master of the Mountain

Jay-20

Zane-112, 21 (physically)

Cole-21

Kai-21

Nya-19

Lloyd-14, 22 (physically)

Pixal-7, 20 (physically)

Miniseries/Season 14: The Island

Jay-21

Zane-113, 21 (physically)

Cole-22

Kai-21

Nya-19

Lloyd-14, 22 (physically)

Pixal-8, 20 (physically)

Season 14/15: Seabound

Jay-21

Zane-113, 21 (physically)

Cole-22

Kai-21

Nya-20

Lloyd-15, 23 (physically)

Pixal-8, 20 (physically)

Season 15/16: Crystalized

Jay-22

Zane-114, 21 (physically)

Cole-23

Kai-22

Nya-21

Lloyd-16, 24 (physically)

Pixal-9, 20 (physically)

[tornoleander]

Hi I love this thank you!

Jay&Nya are the most interesting here as the ones who remember skybound. They don’t seem detoured by wishing as much as you would think but the content is most interesting

Take Jay’s second wish, one that summons Nya pisses of Nadakhan and saved his 3rd wish.

Unlike his first wish nothing bad happened from wishing to not be alone.

Nya’s feelings on Samurai x is understandably strong enough to use that word.

I Went to get content for Jays first wish since skybound the ep is actually(secrets discovered)

He is annoyed at unpacking because the busted the threat too soon. At first glance him making a fist wish since skybound feels lame. But I found it interesting how strongly he was against unpacking, like unreasonably so thinking anything beats unpacking. Does that labor remind you of something Jay? Or is it the fact you are moving into a place where your gf was forced to be married and died in the front lawn? Just thoughts.

Jay 2nd-4th wishes are all for more people to be around him paralleling his 2nd wish.

The fact this was a wish Seabound paralleling the end of Skybound. Where Jays wish DID get them time. I’m never over seabound.

I got curious so I kinda

Total number of wishes made per season:

Pilot Episodes: 0

Rise of the snakes: 3

Legacy of the Green Ninja: 6

Rebooted: 0

Tournament of Elements: 6

Possession: 3

Skybound: 45

Day of the Departed: 0

The Hands of Time: 7

Sons of Garmadon: 1

Hunted: 0

March of the Oni: 1

Secrets of the Forbidden Spinjitzu: 7

Prime Empire: 0

Master of the Mountain: 3

The Island: 0

Seabound: 1

Crystalized: 6

Dragons Rising s1: 7

Total wishes: 96

In this doc, the seasons are colour coded, I made a "Wishes per Character" list, the rules and guidelines I set for myself are laid out, and there's more interesting and specific graphs.

More specific lists below (Who said it, how it was said, and what episode it was said in).

Rise of the snakes

(Snakebit) Wu: I wish.

(Once Bitten, Twice Shy) Cole: I wish I had a sister like you.

(All of Nothing) Kai: Ugh. I wish I could see me now, because you all just got Kai'd.

Legacy of the Green Ninja

(Pirates vs Ninja) Garmadon:  I wish they were here to show these scaly idiots how it's done.

(Double Trouble) Garmadon: Ninja, today I wish for you to finally meet your match.

(Ninjaball Run) Ed: Oh, we're fine, son. Just wish I could say the same for the old jalopy.

(Ninjaball Run) Garmadon: I wish to rip open Ninjago and make an insurmountable obstacle that they can never surpass!

(Child's Play) Garmadon: I wish to create the power to make you young.

(Wrong Place, Wrong Time) Garmadon: I wish I could go back in time, and make it so the ninja were never formed in the first place!

Tournament of Elements

(Only One Can Remain) Karlof: Karlof wish he never sign up for this. 

(Versus) Neuro: I wish I could've done more.

(Spy for a Spy) Karlof: Karlof wish he had friend like that.

(The Day of the Dragon) Karlof: Karlof wish he could do that.

(The Greatest Fear of All) Skylor: I wish I still had the power to change.

(The Corridor of Elders) Kai: I wish I could say we're not facing an army unlike we've ever seen, but we have, and we know what they're capable of.

Possession

(Ghost Story) Jay: Uh, I wish Lloyd was here for that.

(The Crooked Path) Ronin: I wish it never had to come to this.

(Grave Danger Jay: Oh, I wish we had the Sword right about now.

Skybound

(Infamous) Nya: Aw, I wish we could, but duty calls.

(Infamous) Clouse: I wish for my Book of Spells.

(Infamous) Clouse: I wish...I wish to become mortal again.

(Infamous) Nadakhan: I wish it could be over soon, but right now, you're probably thinking about your last wish.

(Infamous) Clouse: I-I wish it all to go away!

(Public Enemy Number One) Misako: I wish to speak to someone in charge!

(Public Enemy Number One) Misako: I wish I hadn't said anything in the first place!

(Misfortune Rising) Clancee: I really wish he'd warn us when he did that.

(Misfortune Rising) Jay: I wish I never saw my future.

(Misfortune Rising) Jay: Then I wish...I wish I wasn't born in a junkyard.

(Misfortune Rising) Jay: I wish I wasn't poor anymore and could give Nya everything she wants.

(Misfortune Rising) Nadakhan: I wish.

(Misfortune Rising) Jay: I just wish I wasn't alone with you.

(Misfortune Rising) Lloyd: I wish Wu were here to guide us.

(Misfortune Rising) Kai: The only thing I wish is for you to take me back.

(Misfortune Rising) Kai: I wish you could take me back

(Misfortune Rising) Kai: I wish for all of it to go away!

(On a Wish and a Prayer) Zane: For my first wish, I wish that you'll not twist my words, nor find a loophole, but understand the true intentions of the words that I speak, and carry out your will as I've thoroughly instructed.

(On a Wish and a Prayer) Zane: I wish...I wish for it all to go away! 

(On a Wish and a Prayer) Flintlocke: We're acquiring so much land, I wish we had more hands.

(Wishmasters) Dareth: I wish I could tell you the mission is gonna be simple. It's not.

(Wishmasters) Cole: I wish Vengestone didn't stop our powers, but made them stronger.

(Wishmasters) Nya: I wish someone told me we were gonna use wishes!

(Wishmasters) Lloyd: I wish you were a lousy shot!

(Wishmasters) Cole: I wish he didn't have that sword.

(Wishmasters) Lloyd: I wish I was wise like Wu.

(Wishmasters) Cole: I wish us all out of here.

(Wishmasters) Nya: I really wish you hadn't said that, Cole.

(Wishmasters) Nya: Then I wish those clouds would stop us!

(Wishmasters) Lloyd: I wish for a sword!

(Wishmasters) Clancee: I-I wish them away!

(The Last Resort) Clancee: Oh, I wish...I wish...I wish I could see where she is right now.

(The Last Resort) Nya: I just wish I had a say in it.

(The Last Resort) Nya: And I wish we didn't have a lovestruck Djinn chasing us to the ends of Ninjago.

(Operation Land Ho!) Jay: I wish Nadakhan wasn't a Djinn! I wish Nadakhan wasn't a Djinn!

(The Way Back) Nadakhan: I wish you wouldn't say that!

(The Way Back) Nadakhan: I wish to deal with you later.

(The Way Back) Nadakhan: I wish I had those odds.

(The Way Back) Nadakhan: I wish the swords away.

(The Way Back) Clancee: I wish you'd listen to me for once!

(The Way Back) Nadakhan: I wish...for my love to return.

(The Way Back) Nadakhan: I wish you gone!

(The Way Back) Nadakhan: I wish you still! (directed at Zane)

(The Way Back) Nadakhan: I wish you still. (directed at Lloyd)

(The Way Back) Jay: I wish you had taken my hand.

The Hands of Time

(The Hands of Time) Acronix: Oh, how I wish my brother were here to see this.

(The Hands of Time) Nya: Sometimes I wish I was still Samurai X instead of a ninja.

(The Hatching) Jay: Kinda wish we hadn't busted him.

(A Time of Traitors) Kai: I wish I could ask you what this is.

(A Time of Traitors) Kai: Actually, I wish I could ask you anything.

(A Time of Traitors) Jay: Wish we had the rest of the team here to help.

(Secrets Discovered) Misako: I wish Wu could have seen this.

Sons of Garmadon

(The Jade Princess) Lloyd: I wish I knew. 

March of the Oni

(The Darkness Comes) Pixal: I wish the others could see this.

Secrets of the Forbidden Spinjitzu

(Questing for Quests) Cole: I wish I understood what you just said, but I don't.

(Never Trust a Human) Aspheera: I wish to hear you say the words.

(Under Siege) Jay: Oh, I wish Lloyd and the others were here.

(Fire Maker) Kai: I just wish I still had my powers.

(Fire Maker) Kai: I just wish there was something I could do.

(Krag's Lament) Jay: I wish Kai was here.

(A Fragile Hope) Kataru: I wish I could give you some hope, but there is none in this place.

Master of the Mountain

(The Worst Rescue Ever) Vania: I wish I could go with you.

(Queen of the Munce) Murtessa: I wish you to be my king, for even though you have tiny arms and ugly human face, you have a stout heart and are a mighty warrior!

(The Son of Lilly) Vania: I wish you could stay.

Seabound

(Nyad) Nya: I wish we had more time, but we never seem to get a break.

Crystalized

(A Painful Promise) Aspheera: Wish I could help, but your ninja never came back.

(The Benefit of Grief) Dareth: I wish I were a Nindroid.

(The Benefit of Grief) Sally: I wish I could turn off my emotion meter.

(Christofern) Garmadon: I wish to understand it better.

(Christofern) Garmadon: I wish to see if there is any goodness in me.

(An Issue of Trust) Nya: I just wish we had better news.

Dragons Rising s1

(Beyond Madness) Lloyd: I only wish Master Wu was here to properly train them.

(Return to Imperium) Sora: I wish I was anywhere but here.

(The Last Djinn) Sora: I wish for you to help us kick these Howlers in their butts!

(The Last Djinn) Nya: I wish for the Howlers to be gone!

(The Call it Doom) Nya: I wish we could locate the missing Dragon Energy Core.

(Land of Lost Things) Sora: I wish I was.

(Land of Lost Things) Sora: I wish I didn't remember mine.

[samthecookielord]

Mom said its everyones turn on the self-sacrifice dzgzdgxfxbfxgnhcm

[jinxed-ninjago]

PLEASE tell me I’m not the only one who’s realized that Jay is the only ninja who hasn’t died (or he did and I completely forgot about it. No I’m not counting the Crystal Zombies you can leave the replies/reblogs now). I know the other five were temporary but that doesn’t matter.

Let’s go through the other 5:

Zane - I don’t think I have to go over Zane

Lloyd - died at the end of the Oni Trilogy, but First Spinjitzu Master let him go back to Ninjago if he wanted to, which he did

Nya - was turned into the sea; I wouldn’t count this as a death but considering in The Call of Home Nya is shown forgetting who she is, I’m counting it because it was basically “death of the mind and soul” and not necessarily “traditional death”. She was also hit by tiger widow venom in Skybound and died in Prime Empire.

Kai - Prime Empire

Cole - also Prime Empire. Was also turned into a ghost. I don’t care what you or the wiki say, ghosts are dead.

Jay has, however, had near death experiences, including these:

Nearly drowning in Seabound

Almost being killed by Slag in The Pit in Hunted

Almost being crushed alive by rock in Crystalized

Almost being attacked by the tiger widow in Skybound

Just Skybound in general tbh. Who knows what Nadakhan put him through, you remember how much it seemed like he was barely holding on when Cole found him in Wishmasters right???

He had that close call with Clouse’s snake in Tournament of Elements

Like???? I know we say Lloyd is traumatized as hell but JAY??????? He watched his girlfriend die THREE FUCKING TIMES, watched his best friend die multiple times, watched his other three teammates die more than once, probably thought something really bad had happened to Cole in the Tournament of Elements before he was found to be safe, had to deal with the whole Never-Realm fiasco (to be fair that was probably mostly traumatizing to Cole and Kai but still), was abandoned in a JUNKYARD by his birth parents for unknown reasons (a JUNKYARD. What kind of message is that gonna send, whether he was left with Ed and Edna on purpose or not????), has anxiety that’s so bad it’s a running joke that it causes him bladder issues AND is the cause of his iconic freak out moments, this guy is fucking TRAUMATIZED.

Not saying the other ninja aren’t (they are. I know they are). But it sure feels like Jay’s gone through the most traumatizing stuff when it comes to situations that have happened on screen.

[destinysbounty]

zane and nya for character opinion bingo

ZANE

Oh god blorbo supreme. The original blorbo. This nindroid can fit so much trauma in him. I could rant about him for a million years. Im like this close to giving into temptation and making a 20-minute compilation of all my favorite Zane moments (listen, the party pooper scene lives in my head rent-free at all times). Oh god he needs so much therapy, and no, locking your trauma in a digital puzzle box does not count as therapy.

Some people characterize him as some emotionless and boring lawful good. Some people characterize him as an uwu wholesome softboi. But in my opinion, the most correct interpretation is Dorky Suburban Dad.

Think about it. He wore a button-up and khakis to the beach. He dresses up in a full scuba skin-suit whenever they have a party in their own damn hot tub. He once wore a sweater vest with snowflakes on it. On their lil desert road trip he entertained himself by reading about regional trivia, and delighted in sharing this trivia with his friends. He loves playing board games, especially chess. He likes to make ice puns. He loves cooking. He's the closest thing they have to a responsible adult. When he became the team leader in season 5 he kept everyone pumped with all those silly little sayings like "one team one dream!" He apparently loves detective fiction. He thinks that walking like a pirate with a peg-leg will get people to respect him. He loves astronomy and, according to Lloyd, "knows the solar system better than anyone". Whenever someone is upset he's always there providing a comforting smile and a pat on the shoulder. He spent 5 minutes debating the morality of making an ice ramp for a slug. He doesn't understand pop culture. Zane is a dorky suburban dad and you can't change my mind.

He's also a fashion icon. For example, when he died, the ninja all became a total fashion disaster in his absence. We all saw it. None of them matched. Like did you see Kai's horrendous lil fight club costume? Jay's atrocious tv host suit? And Cole just straight up wasn't even wearing a shirt anymore. And even when they came back together, their ninja suits still didn't match! And sure, it was meant to symbolize how disjointed they'd become in the wake of his loss, but STILL. The fact that their CLOTHES of all things were out of wack indicates to me that he's the only one on the team with any fashion sense.

And let's not forget the moment from Seabound where he decided to wear the breathing mask despite not needing oxygen because "I like how it completes my attire". And his Snake Jaguar costume!!! And his titty-out look in The Island! And not to mention how the Detective Zane outfit is a LOOK. He rocks the hell out of that trenchcoat.

This is all to say, Lego needs to release the forbidden bikini Zane content or I'm gonna break in and find it myself.

NYA

Ohoho, the fandom does Nya SOOO dirty. Especially since she's not as outwardly affectionate as Jay, so a lot of people interpret this as her being more callous and unloving towards him. She A) has a metric ton of childhood baggage, and B) expresses her affection in different ways! Jay might say 'I love you' with words more often, but she shows how much she cares through acts of service and quality time and whatnot.

Also. Hot take but Nya has some of the most compelling character arcs and subplots in this entire goddamn show. Teaming up with Dareth to spy on Chen? Overcoming her gifted child syndrome in season 5? The X Cave fight in season 7????? Struggling to keep the resistance alive even when all her friends were dead, doing everything in her power to keep Lloyd from losing hope even though they were the only ones left???????????? The entirety of Seabound??????????

The show definitely blunders often in terms of the whole sexism/performative feminism thing, for sure. Looking at you, Skybound. But she also has a LOT of character arcs where her being the Girl^TM isn't even at all relevant. Season 5. Season 7. Season 9. Season 10. Season 11. Season 15.

Anyway Nya is amazing and she deserves better from the fandom, and I will die on this hill. Nya didn't singlehandedly destroy hell itself just to be reduced to some shallow Designated Love Interest.

[spinjitsuburst]

YEYSYEYSYEYEYYSYSYES IM SO UNWELL ABOUT THIS TOPIC YOU DONT EVEN KNOW

As someone who arguably could be a candidate for a Jay Fan Contest you’re so right dude and you should absolutely say it

JAY’S A STUBBORN FORCE OF ENERGY WHO DOESN’T BACK DOWN OR GIVE UP EVEN WHEN AT HIS LOWEST OR WHEN HE’S ALONE OR WHEN HE DOESN’T STAND A CHANCE

Don’t get me wrong, with my personal tastes in stories I do LOVE a good breakdown or how a character gets so beaten down when in a bad situation like torture you can see them breaking, it’s fascinating to read/watch and on a personal level it’s nice to see characters go through so much only to end up okay and healing in the end. But it’s even more fun and fascinating to see such a stubborn and strong-willed character go through that and STILL keep his snark and stubborn attitude

ESPECIALLY with Jay, who is a person who very specifically deflects his problems with humor and snarkiness. Like the guy was getting beaten and was captured super high up in the air with no escape and enemies around any corner and yet he was still MOUTHING OFF THE WHOLE TIME AND IT'S GREAT

the only times in Skybound he actually broke and became upset was with his parents, losing Cole and Lloyd, and when Nya actually DIED. Which all actually play super well into his character. His parents have always been a sore spot for him - he's sensitive about them and their overbearing nature, but he loves them so much and will do literally anything for them. Not to mention he just learned that they weren't biologically his parents, so he's going to be even more emotional than normal when he sees them next, and he's just been through a LOT. He needed to lean on his parents, to have them take a little bit of that emotional burden just for a moment, before he can pick himself back up and do what needs to be done. We love Ed and Edna in this house

the second time is when they're finally escaping. Note. AFTER THEY HAVE GOTTEN OFF THE MISFORTUNE IS WHEN JAY FINALLY LETS HIMSELF CRY ABOUT THIS. Not that he didn't maybe have a cry sesh in his cell off-screen or something but definitely not in front of anyone else. The second time is directly about losing Cole and Lloyd to the sword. "When will it be enough?! I can't keep losing people!"

THE THIRD TIME JAY BREAKS DOWN. DO I EVEN NEED TO GO INTO DETAIL WHY SEEING SOMEONE YOU LOVE DYING WOULD MAKE YOU A LITTLE UPSET PERHAPS

the point is that all those moments are not about his own suffering. It's about the ones closest to him suffering, or when he's finally safe enough with people he feels like he can breakdown with like his parents.

those moments are so good and really well written. Skybound has... writing issues but Jay's arc is not one of them, and those moments add SUCH depth to his character

I think a big reason why a lot of people shift this way is the uwu-ification of Jay in later seasons (which I have like. my own thoughts about). A lot of people see Jay as a much weaker and more timid character than he was in earlier seasons bc of how he's been written recently and it's very frustrating! But the sparks of his stubborn willpower is still very much present, especially in Prime Empire and Seabound. My mans lost everyone AGAIN and was surrounded by an entire hoard of enemies and he still was able to hold them off until he could summon the dragon to get himself out of there and face Unagami. And in Seabound he risked his LIFE to power the subs battery, and continued to fight even though he was weak from dry drowning. THAT IS NOT A WEAK CHARACTER WHO CRUMPLES UNDER PHYSICAL DURESS. JAY IS SO SO SO STRONG AND PEOPLE WHO PORTRAY HIM AS SUCH ARE MY FAVORITE PEOPLE

again, the only times he breaks down is when he loses nya in seabound. jay's always been strong until it comes to the people in his life leaving, through death or... ocean-ification...? That's when we see him truly break down. It's always about others, not himself

what you say about Jay's condition in the skybound fics is actually very true. 90% of the fandom portrays him as falling at the slightest degree of pain, bursting into tears and begging when in canon Jay NEVER cries or begs in all his torture with Nadakhan. All he does at most is complain silently, and continue talking shit about everyone

we actually need more fics of Jay being a little shit that fights dirty, cheats, and deals damage using the meanest ways to defend himself and attack even when he's getting his ass kicked. I just feel like a lot of fics don't really embody the fact that Jay didn't sit back and let them torture him while he cried, but he actually fought back, he actually continued to be stubborn to the point that nothing Nadakhan did worked.

You're so right and you should absolutely say it. I am not the biggest Jay enjoyer (don't get me wrong, I like him, but I'm not winning the Jay Fan contest any day soon), but I particularly enjoy his arc in Skybound and how that persistence plays into it. Seeing it get put to the side in favor of whatever all these crying sessions are trying to do honestly makes me wonder - do people who write this flavor of sadboy Jay actually enjoy/appreciate Skybound to the same degree that inspires so many of us to write about it, or are they just there for the angst openings? Which does Jay such a huge disservice. I'm still in awe whenever Jay gets that Target ball sized ball and chain slammed into his chest and still gets back up. This is the guy everyone's relegating to weep in a corner? He's throwing stray insults at every opening and then some and the popular fanon consensus is, "yeah, he's completely broken, send him to the pit"??

Now, don't get me wrong, the occasional show of vulnerability is great. Key word there is occasional. To be fair, I would likely be just as unsettled as I am by the sobfest trend if Jay just did Bugs Bunny shenanigans the entire time without ever cracking. It's about balance! Show that development off! Have him get tougher over time! A strategically placed breakdown or slip-of-the-tongue beg can work so well, it's just got to be handled carefully. (Tried it with Nya once in my own Skybound fics, and can confirm: watch where and when it happens and you can say a lot about whoever does it. Granted, I have never tried it with Jay, but same principle!) Sure, let him do it - but not for the sake of doing it. What would Jay think after the fact? How would the crew's reactions affect him? (Fun idea: would he weaponize it, like the back pain scene where he's literally grinning the whole time? Would he deliberately turn on the waterworks often enough that if it ever happens for real, nobody tries to take advantage of it?)

I didn't mean to go on for that long, but yeah! It's a frustrating topic, and I really wish I knew where it came from. Thanks for dropping in and letting me ramble!

[spicyicymeloncat]

Ok but is anyone noticing the Ninjago season parallels (obvious spoilers however I have s15/16 stuff behind a readmore)

Pilots + S10 (March of the Oni): four episodes long, involve Garmadon, involve underworldly villains (skeletons and demons), heavily involve the golden weapons, symbolism around falling (characters such as Wu and Garmadon falling into the underworld, Cole falling into the city)

S1 (Rise of the Snakes) + S11 part 1 (Secrets of Forbidden Spinjitzu: Fire chapter): snakes, Kai is insecure, a child is manipulated by a snake (Lloyd and Pythor, Wu and Aspheera), big snakes invade the city, desert (Ninja live in the desert in s1, and they revisit it in s11)

S2 (Legacy of the Green Ninja) + S11 part 2 (Secrets of Forbidden Spinjitzu: Ice chapter): evil mind controlled samurai (the stone army and the ice samurai), characters journey to unfamiliar setting (the dark island vs the never realm), someone close to the characters becomes an evil emperor (Garmadon and Zane), said evil emperor has evil staff (mega weapon and the scroll of forbidden spinjitzu)

S3 (Rebooted) + S12 (Prime Empire): robots and ai and technology, going into a simulation, characters die (or cubed), Cyrus appears

S4 (Tournament of Elements) + S13 (Master of the Mountain): character makes a connection with a daughter of an evil slave owner, said slave owner has a way of taking away people’s powers, Cole gets dropped through a trap door, characters get split up, character from metalonia appears, story about coming together instead of infighting, villain puts groups against each other for their own gain, ninja travel away from home and being a master with them

S5 (Possession) + The Island: ronin is here, revolves around a jewel (the realm crystal vs the storm amulet), although I think storm is supposed to refer to Jay we could talk about Morro here

S6 (Skybound) + S14 (Seabound): look at their names, Nya is important, Nya… dies, we get to see the villain’s father die, villains are both kings, introduced to another race (the djinn and Merlopians), ocean themed groups (pirates and merfolk), sky/sea duality, parent drama (Jay finds out he’s adopted, Nya gets used to having a mother), Nya being compared to other historical figures (Delara and Nyad)

And under the read more are s15 (s16??) spoilers

S7 (Hands of Time) + S15 (Crystalised): uhhh idk. I’m confused by the leaks. But all I can think of is how the creator tweeted “conclusion” as a one word description of this season and how s7 was gonna be the last season of Ninjago, once

However since S5 doesn’t match up too well with the island (it’s not even a season), I feel like it could be paired with s15 instead. We have potentially evil Lloyd, past haunts (ghosts, and returning villains), one word season titles that could apply to Lloyd

However however Seabound could be a s5 parallel because of Nya being important, and skybound and s15 are paired due to the ninja going to jail??

Idk

[ashclouds366]

guys, i realized- at the end of Seabound- that was not the first, nor the second, but that was the //third// time Nya died. she died in Skybound. she died in Prime Empire. this was the second time the team witnessed her death, and the third time Jay did ... the third time he said, "don't leave me..." ... Seabound, i think, broke me