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danwhobrowses · 4 years ago

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General Discussions: All Elite Wrestling (AEW)

So with All Out happening tonight (or well, tomorrow morning for me) I’m in the mood to get a lot of AEW talk off my chest. The difference between this and previous talks ‘In (Slight) Defense of AEW’s Women’s Division’ and ‘Are AEW Planning a Second Show?’ - the latter of which seems to have been confirmed - I don’t want to talk about one sole thing, I have multiple things I wanna talk about: Criticisms, Hindsight, Signing Suggestions, Predictions and whatnot. I’m also gonna split this into two at least, we’re gonna start with some critiques (positive and negative criticism) and some hindsight talk.

Critiques So AEW has been running officially since May 2019. Meaning that half of their lifespan has happened during COVID 19′s pandemic, before I go into positive and negative criticisms I’d like this point to at least commend AEW on their action and sustainability during this time; several other brands have had to sadly close or cease programming for a long time, with ROH only just returning. AEW has done a stellar job being safe as well, only one confirmed case in QT Marshall (Moxley quarantining because of Renee’s positive case), frequent tests and having small amount of fans in the arena, this is on top of the fact that Jacksonville is also a hotspot, so currently well done on that. But AEW is far from a perfect company, no company can be. However, not all criticism is fair and I wanna vent some of that. Fair Criticism towards AEW First I wanna point out that there are things even I don’t like about AEW, because I know people will paint me as an apologist, I’d also wanna preface that there are parts of WWE I like too, and parts I don’t like. On AEW’s part though I think the fairest criticism for it is that a lot of talent slip through the cracks, COVID doesn’t help of course but talent had been kept away from the main show or not getting their due; Santana and Ortiz and the Lucha Bros should be tag champions by now, Scorpio Sky would’ve been a great TNT champion, Jurassic Express despite their popularity often seem to be on the losing end of feuds, Private Party have fell into the undercard of the tag division, Joey Janela and Sonny Kiss are sadly purposeless and Lance Archer is just floating around, Nyla and Vickie’s partnership hasn’t really gone anywhere either as of yet and Abadon has been kept from the title picture. There’s also the flip-flop booking of Shawn Spears, Jake Hager, Mel, Luther, Penelope Ford, TH2 and others. While I am gonna track back on the Women’s Division complaint it would bode better for AEW if they had more storylines, and their title was better. I mean the design is fine, it just needs to be bigger. The Picture with Shida and Cody swapping belts really sells that. Belt designs have been very up and down too, the TNT title is not good, the FTW title is a bit iffy but even that is a better design. So far only ‘Big Platinum’ and the Tag Titles are original designs without complaints. Unfair Criticism towards AEW Since a lot of people compare AEW to WWE, there will be times where people will treat them as the same, and that’s not really too fair. Case in point, big one out of the way, The Women’s Division. Wanting more from the women is fair but as I detailed they are pretty handicapped right now since many of their wrestlers are overseas, but when they make moves in a positive light they’re still criticised. Thunder Rosa (fka Kobra Moon of Lucha Underground) is great and we have a much hyped match for that. The criticisms reared its head more with the Deadly Draw and the Tooth and Nail match being in the Buy In. I’ve already discussed the benefits of the Deadly Draw in a prior post so I’m gonna focus on Swole/Baker. Now on the Main Card anyway thanks to fan response, it shouldn’t have been treated like AEW pre-shows are like WWE’s, there’s a Number 1 Contendership Battle Royale on that same Buy In, Khan has been clear that he wants people invested enough to ‘Buy in to the PPV’ so it shouldn’t be treated as a disservice.

I’d also like to segue this into a WWE comparison, because whenever AEW is on you have people tracking how many women’s segments there are. So let me run down WWE for a bit

Smackdown had 3 Women’s Bits last night (4th Sept): the Tag Match that led to FINALLY the Banks/Bayley schism, a cryptic hint towards a woman returning (rumors of Eva Marie I hope are false, maybe it’s Carmella?) and a small backstage segment between Bliss and Bayley

NXT on ‘Super Tuesday Part 1′ had 1 very short match building to the Candice/Tegan feud and a package for Ripley vs Mercedes

Raw had 2 matches and 3 segments which included a Payback rematch

Payback had 2 matches, one on the Pre-Show, both of these matches would later be rematched in the following week

Summerslam had 3 matches, only one of them not a title match and one of them being rematched on the following Raw

NXT TakeOver 30 had 1 match, a title match, including the Pre-Show

For all the criticism AEW gets for having 2-3 bits on Dynamite (which is an hour less than Raw might I add and Dark hosts consistently 3 women’s bits that nobody acknowledges simply because the matches are squashes) I never see WWE criticised in that same vein, and that’s unfair, criticise both. The main difference is that AEW do not have the ‘seasoned big star’ because they’re not that old, Mickie James, Asuka, Bliss and the Four Horsewomen didn’t just get this popular overnight, they spent years honing this craft to this audience. Would it be great for AEW to have a megastar type? Sure but business is not all that easy, who do you take? Tessa’s attitude isn’t exactly positive for business, time is what they need and it’s something people are not giving. Of the other unfair criticisms the quick and easy one is the ‘AEW is TNA 2.0′ - newsflash, most wrestlers will go through the WWE machine in some shape or form, if you complain that AEW lacks female stars because nobody is well known but criticise the men’s division for using well-known ex-WWE talent then you have to see the contradiction. Moxley has been great, Jericho has been great, Brodie has been great, it’s not like AEW aren’t promoting others either. And also the ‘VP is becoming like the McMahons’ - people think that because a wrestler is a booker that they’ll only book themselves strong, but Cody let himself get squashed by Brodie, Kenny passed out to PAC and lost to Moxley, the Bucks haven’t been tag champions and Brandi hasn’t inserted herself in any title match. Just because we’re burned by WWE doesn’t mean that AEW are the same. I am all for constructive criticism with the brand because there are certainly places where it can improve, but it keeps circling around to the fact that we put WWE as the negative standard we compare AEW to, as if WWE are literally the Simpsons of Wrestling, there’s not gonna be much they haven’t done. Hindsight Talk So with the critiques out of the way now we can talk about some missed opportunities, since it kinda pairs together with that. Nearly a year and a half and AEW is still quite different to how it started, there are some things though we could still look back in regret. The easy one is doing a more thorough background check. The SpeakingOut movement affected all of wrestling and led to the departure of Jimmy Havoc, likewise it also led to the Elite cutting ties with Joey Ryan and distancing from Marty Scurll, of course until people spoke out it would’ve been impossible to know but knowing now does make parts of All In and AEW’s history come with a sense of bitterness. A further stressing of variety would’ve helped AEW, there’s a lot of criticism when people don’t understand that things are different for a reason, comedy has a place in Wrestling, we just need a reminder. The ranking system and tag rules could still be clearer. There’s also the sooner dropping of aspects like the Nightmare Family faction with Mel and Luther with Brandi, as well as some other dropped plots like Brandi’s mental break, Allie’s affiliation with the Butcher and Blade (the latter being her irl husband) as ‘the Bunny’, Christopher Daniels’ feuds with Pentagon and the Dark Order, the initial presentation of the Dark Order, not debuting Sadie Gibbs earlier and maybe pushing Intergender wrestling a bit sooner. AEW were reluctant and a Kip/Penelope vs Kenny/Riho feud was in the works to some solid appeal, but it sadly went nowhere. The Deadly Draw could’ve been longer, but I stand by the decision to put it on Youtube. I think the TNT title tournament could’ve been longer too. The bigger regrets I personally wished from AEW are that the Lucha Bros didn’t win the tag titles first, SCU are great but Lucha Bros are next level wrestlers who are monstrously talented, given Hangman and Kenny’s blockbuster match with the Lucha Bros, it’s a shame that we didn’t have a bigger feud where the Lucha Bros took their Young Bucks feud momentum to win the whole tournament. Not signing Mercedes Martinez, Deonna Purrazo or pushing a Kong vs Kong match would also be a missed opportunity too. Hindsight is of course 2020 so we can’t be too hard on AEW, as we’ll move onto in Part 2, when we’ll talk about All Out Predictions and positive hopes for AEW’s future

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doomedandstoned · 5 years ago

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Meeting Dead Sisters

~By Shawn Gibson~

Two years ago, a mysterious trio called DEAD SISTERS emerged upon the New England scene, capturing our attention forthwith. A year later, they were playing Maryland Doom Festival. It was high time that Doomed & Stoned followed the trail of holy hell to meet them.

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Let's do introductions! Who's who in the band and what do you play?

C: Sister Catherine, I play guitar and whatever else is needed.

M: Sister Meredeth, I worship with my voice and percussion instruments.

K: Sister Kerr, I play guitar and sing.

What is the inspiration and origin of Dead Sisters?

C: We are like-minded in that we wish to guide vibrations to their fullest potential of beauty with the utmost of patience.

M: The inspiration for DS is the beginning of time itself. The origin is the collision of time, place, judgement and reckoning.

K: We are longtime sisters and collaborators; we started by writing and recording our first piece (Sermon) using markers and poster paper. We wanted to react to a prominent and powerful death cult by plugging in as many amplifiers as possible.

How would you describe your music?

C: The pieces are reflections of every path we choose to take under the oppression of a strangling society with temporal experiences of the confusion and excitement that comes with commitment.

M: Our music is pure and divine and moving. It is wholly dedicated to our worshipers.

K: Meditative and cathartic. Wrathful, violent, and fun.

What drives your music?

C: Sorrow and Joy.

M: Our music is driven by ignorance, inequality and hate of today’s society. Hail Hartley.

K: Our connection to one another (we live in different states) and our commitment to spreading the truth.

Please explain the artwork for 'Dead Sisters' (2018) and 'All Your Eyes' (2019).

C: I am very pleased with the depiction.

M: The artwork for our first releases come from a family heirloom. To be preserved before its eminent decay.

K: Animal flesh is often arranged in pleasing shapes so children find it more palatable to eat. Bibles are often presented with illustrations for the same purpose.

Will there be Dead Sisters patches in the future?

C: Patches are the stepping stones to tapestries. Very soon.

M: Soon we will have patches and treasures beyond any dream.

K: We have many ideas for more effective and eye-catching paraphernalia in the future. Remain alert.

What music has influenced your own? Bands like Buried At Sea?

C: La Monte Young, Meth Drinker.

M: Musical influences include Pentagram, Grief, Electric Wizard, Wayne Shorter, Noothgrush, Ahab, Toadliquor, Daughters, Miles Davis, Anal Cunt, Dopethrone, Bongripper, Bill Evans, Pig Destroyer, Napalm Death, Coffinworm, Elvin Jones, John Luther Adams and many others.

K: The Body, Khanate, Lingua Ignota, Morton Feldman, Swans, and the wrongful deaths of innumerable women and children at the hands of pious men.

I ordered a Dead Sisters shirt and cassette from your Bandcamp page. Do the cassettes come with lyrics? I am curious to know the lyrics to your songs!

K: Our lyrics are available to read on our Bandcamp page. We include them with every song. The cassette does not have lyrics.

On your Bandcamp page, one of your tags for your music says anti-Christian? Could you talk about that a little bit?

C: Christianity is an illusion that has been shoved upon the residents of our society as a way to keep Feudalism alive. We choose not to turn a blind eye to true sin by addressing hypocrisy instigated by the bourgeoisie. If there is any confusion, I will clear it up now: Nazism has NO place in any world.

M: Anti-Christian tags are for clarity, yet occasionally remain unnoticed. Society is an illusion.

K: Child-threatening death cults have no place in a healthy society. Abuse apologists and master manipulators should not hold power. Is a book which promotes violence and othering an appropriate rulebook? Much so-called Christian art is very beautiful. People and life are beautiful. Some ideas are not.

What is a fantastic book that has blown your mind?

C: Wisconsin Death Trip is my favorite picture book.

M: No comment.

K: I enjoy reading utopian science fiction. I just finished The Dispossessed by Ursula K. LeGuin (more of an anarchist perspective and very moving, LeGuin’s short stories are wonderful too). My favorite book of this type is Island by Aldous Huxley.

What makes the Sisters laugh?

M: My sisters bring me much humor.

ALL YOUR EYES by Dead Sisters

What bands are Dead Sisters listening to these days?

C: Iggy Pop, Curtis Mayfield, The Body.

M: dim, Angel Morgue, Greylock, The Cult, Spectral Voice, Blood Incantation, Thou, cttboto, Thin Lizzy, Fistula and Churchburn.

K: Kali Malone, Blackwater Holylight, Body Void, Dreamcrusher, Low, Malevich.

I saw a flyer on your Instagram that you played with Chained To The Bottom Of The Ocean! I love them! I'm glad to have seen them at New Brookland Tavern in Columbia, South Carolina. How was that show? I wish I could have been at that show seeing both of you live!

C: We did great. I made one new friend.

M: Our inaugural ceremony was a cataclysm of divine tools and true worshipers. DUSK-Providence, RI is a genuine temple.

K: Playing with Chained was a great experience, and extremely loud. We hope to gather our amps with them again soon. They are touring in November to support their new album; everyone should endeavor to see them. We share a mutual love of Thou’s music.

I was just four minutes and forty seconds into 'All Your Eyes' (2019) and holy fuck! I was almost knocked out when it got heavier.

M: A holy fuck indeed.

K: Thank you. One of our goals is to reward the patient and attentive listener with a powerful experience.

'All Your Eyes' (2019), which inspires me to get a tattoo of that song somehow, is twenty-one minutes and fifty seconds long. 'Dead Sisters' (2018) has "Call To Worship" which is fifteen minutes and fifty seconds. "Sermon" is thirty-seven and fourteen seconds long. "Benediction" twenty-one minutes and thirty-six seconds long. Very heavy slabs to consume!

C: The TABs are rather light.

M: Temporal matters of our recorded worships are required for true enlightenment.

K: Getting the tattoo may likely take less time than listening to our cassette. You might try doing both simultaneously. Why would you mark up your beautiful body like that? You should be ashamed.

What has been an awkward situation for Dead Sisters?

C: Every time a worship musician gives us a misinformed shoutout.

M: An awkward moment for my sisters and I occurs when places of worship cannot support our holy current.

Do you play in other bands? Would you tell us if you did?

C: I would never.

M: Other projects include choir, our badminton team and heavy seasonal gardening.

What is in the future for Dead Sisters?

C: Many drink tickets and blown fuses.

M: The future of DS is terrifying and certain.

K: Stay with us. Without you we are nothing. Several releases are imminent, one of which will be very substantial.

Dead Sisters by Dead Sisters

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#D&S Interviews #Dead Sisters #Massachusetts #Doom #Sludge #Metal #Doom Metal #Shawn Gibson #Doomed & Stoned

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isthatacalzone · 6 years ago

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alright hi i started to finish my rewatch of the umbrella academy, got 25 minutes into episode eight when i had a thought

people spend a lot of time shitting on luther for his actions, and yknow i get it, what he does at the end of the season is super shitty and i won’t deny that, but at the same time i refuse to trivialise him and his pain because i think he’s one of the more fascinating characters of the show. so i’m gonna take a page out of klaus’ book and empathise with the guy while acknowledging he needs to be better. here goes:

luther was just as brainwashed to believe vanya didn’t matter as much as the rest of them almost as much as vanya was

i just know that people are gonna look at that and get mad at me, so let me explain (also note that this is just an opinion, if you disagree then fair enough!! it’s all love here, my dears)

luther is number one. it’s a huge part of his personality, his upbringing - it’s his name. reginald put him in charge of his siblings, kept him at his side as his most trusted child. he made him loyal, brought him up to believe his first job was to put everyone else first. luther was not a boy, he always was a superhero. of course, though, reginald is a shit and doesn’t actually understand the qualities he was trying to instill into luther. it’s like he was trying to raise captain america but he fucked it. he never let luther think for himself; instead of raising a man to be kind and selfless, a hero in every classic meaning of the word, he raised him to be his version of a hero, the one that does everything his (reginald’s) way. by doing this, reginald basically made luther a sponge for all his awful and toxic behaviours and opinions. luther is by far the most susceptible to their father’s vitriol, so lemme ask you this:

how many times throughout their childhood do you think reginald said to luther, “forget about vanya; she’s not important”?

luther’s been shown to have a protective, caring, big brother side to him, but his first reactions to situations have always been overridden by the other voice in his head: his father’s. the only time luther lets his emotions through first is when he’s thinking about allison (i know, i know, the luther/allison debate is a hot button issue, but for the sake of this post im just talking about how he sees things, alright?). luther loves allison; it overrides every instinct their father taught him. and it blinds him, because that boy doesn’t know how to process anything through a nuanced or objective lens. everything is a mission, it’s either good or bad. there’s no room for taking the time to understand a motivation.

so, to my point: luther spent his whole life deferring to dad’s judgement first. it’s only in those last few days that he even begins to question that judgement. vanya was never on missions with them, she was never a part of the academy. reggie spent their whole upbringing telling them, telling HIM that vanya was ordinary and kept her separate. combine that with learning that with the love luther has for allison - the love he never learnt to understand properly, which blinds him and rules him - and him learning from pogo, reginald’s other go-to apologist, that vanya had potentially world ending powers, he’s not gonna ask questions. those seeds of separation are already fully grown in luther’s mind: vanya is other, except now she’s other in different terms.

this is what i REALLY hope for for luther in season two. it’s the only place his character can grow to: learning to see the rest of his family, PARTICULARLY VANYA, like people, with complex thoughts and feelings, and learning to see himself that same way too. learning to see himself as his own man, with the ability to make his own decisions.

#luther hargreeves #spaceboy #number one #the umbrella academy #tua #umbrella academy #the umbrella academy meta #tua meta #vanya hargreeves #the white violin #meta #klaushaargreeves #bensklaus #(hey amanda if u dont want me to tag u in my metas let me know i just thought you might be interested YEET)

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johnchiarello · 5 years ago

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Acts 14

ACTS 14 Titus 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: https://youtu.be/jq1eHNwMX6M Acts 14 https://ccoutreach87.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/6-1-17-acts-14.zip https://ccoutreach87.com/6-1-17-acts-14/ ON VIDEO- .Other cities .Facebook [shake the dust] .Signs and wonders .Zeus and Hermes . Or Jupiter and Mercury .The legend told .Don’t worship us! .Ecclesiology [Just a note- I have a new office/word- the spell check did not recognize this word- ok- but it also does not recognize some other words- that are not as hard- I have been adding ‘to dictionary’ a lot- Oh- the word means church government- it is a common word when writing about the bible and stuff like that] .Ordination- what is it? .What is ‘The local church’? .Avoid the ‘cult of personality’ .Pets Alive! .And for my ‘conspiracy theorists’ I made this video a week or so ago- and at the end we actually said ‘What’s up with San Diego [Texas]’- as you know- I have been ‘railing’ on it ever since- I made the video before the news broke.

PAST POSTS- [Past teaching I did that relates to today’s post- Acts 14] I talked some about ordination and church government on today’s post- here’s a book I wrote years ago that speaks about it- https://ccoutreach87.com/further-talks-on-church-and-ministry/ https://ccoutreach87.com/1st-2nd-corinthians/

ACTS- https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/01/18/acts-1/ https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/01/26/acts-2/ https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/02/02/acts-3/ https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/02/09/acts-4/ https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/03/23/acts-5/ https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/03/31/acts-6/ https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/04/06/acts-7/ https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/04/14/acts-8/ https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/04/18/acts-9/ https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/05/07/acts-10/ https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/05/16/acts-11/ https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/05/22/acts-12/ https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/06/01/acts-13/ (739)ACTS 14- Paul and Barnabas continue going thru different cities [Iconium, Lystra] Paul heals a man who was lame from birth and the whole city says ‘these men are gods who have come down in human form’. Paul barely stops them from offering sacrifices to them! In each city they travel to, they have a routine. They go into the synagogue and speak to the gathered. Both Jews and ‘God fearers’ [gentile followers] the pattern of some believing and others resisting becomes routine. Paul also has to deal with the Jews who were following him from past cities. They were sort of 1st century ‘apologists’ who made it their purpose to simply stop Paul. I want you to see that the ‘churches’ were the various groups of people who believed. They did gather together [Ecclesia] but they did not see ‘church’ as a place they went to for religious instruction. They did not start ‘gentile synagogues’ in competition with Judaism. Now Paul goes back thru the cities and at that point ‘ordains Elders in every church’. This is important to see. The ordaining of Elders was the simple process of seeing who had the maturity of understanding in the gospel and could be looked up to as a spiritual guide. Any questions or new converts in the towns would know ‘so and so’ is a responsible believer who Paul put his stamp of approval on. Why even do this? Remember, the enemies of Paul [Jewish law keepers] are going behind Paul’s back and trying to undo all the work that Paul was doing. Elders were gifted men who had the ability to push back against those whose ‘mouths must be stopped’ [Paul’s future language against false teachers]. These Elders were not full time Pastors in the modern sense. They were not singular authorities who ‘cover the flock’. They were not hired clergy! The reason why it is important to see this is because we want to stay as close as possible to the historic picture of the church as we read thru Act’s. These ‘local churches’ were caring communities of Christ followers who did have spiritual oversight that were to be respected and held in high esteem. Paul and Peter will teach the concept of giving honor to those who have spiritual accountability for you. But we can’t apply this to unbiblical forms of ecclesiology/hierarchy that will develop over the centuries. In Luther’s day many well meaning men felt Luther [the 16th century reformer] was rebelling against God ordained authority by going against the Pope. We need to understand that John the Apostle rebuked the rise of singular authorities who would seek to have the preeminence amongst Gods flock [Diotrephes- 3rd Jn]. Paul will warn the Ephesian church [later in Acts] that after his departure men would rise up seeking to make disciples after themselves. The point is any future use of the teaching of Elders/Pastors and the true responsibility to honor and submit to godly authority has to be seen in context with the complete story. While Luther’s [and Paul’s] critics could make the case that they were rebelling against God ordained authority, yet at the same time true revolution always carries an element of casting off old systems and restraint. Paul will confront Peter openly over his hypocrisy between treating Jewish believers different than Gentile believers. Peter was an Apostle before Paul and the argument could have been made ‘who does Paul think he is, going over the head of Peter’. So we need to see the biblical truth of God ordained leadership. The fact that many good Pastors and men of God have faithfully served Christ’s church. But we do not want to develop mindsets contrary to the freedom that we have in Christ while teaching the truth of godly leadership. Paul ordained ‘Elders’ on his way back thru Lystra and Iconium. He sails back to Antioch and recounts all the wonderful success that they had with the gentile believers. Antioch has this free flowing spirit amongst the church. They are gentiles and are not keeping the Jewish law. Paul and Barnabas were getting a reputation amongst the Jewish leadership in the cities and towns. Word gets back to Jerusalem and we will see whether Paul’s gospel will prevail before the ‘church authorities’? I believe we could describe Luther’s response before the Catholic church as fitting Paul’s spirit ‘unless I am persuaded by scripture I can not go against my conscience. Here I stand, I can do nothing else’.

VERSES- Matthew 10:14 [Full Chapter] And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Acts 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations 2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Acts 14:1 And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed. Acts 14:2 But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren. Acts 14:3 Long time therefore abode they speaking boldly in the Lord, which gave testimony unto the word of his grace, and granted signs and wonders to be done by their hands. Acts 14:4 But the multitude of the city was divided: and part held with the Jews, and part with the apostles. Acts 14:5 And when there was an assault made both of the Gentiles, and also of the Jews with their rulers, to use them despitefully, and to stone them, Acts 14:6 They were ware of it, and fled unto Lystra and Derbe, cities of Lycaonia, and unto the region that lieth round about: Acts 14:7 And there they preached the gospel. Acts 14:8 And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother’s womb, who never had walked: Acts 14:9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Acts 14:10 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. Acts 14:11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. Acts 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Acts 14:13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, Acts 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: Acts 14:16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways. Acts 14:17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness. Acts 14:18 And with these sayings scarce restrained they the people, that they had not done sacrifice unto them. Acts 14:19 And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead. Acts 14:20 Howbeit, as the disciples stood round about him, he rose up, and came into the city: and the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe. Acts 14:21 And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch, Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. Acts 14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed. Acts 14:24 And after they had passed throughout Pisidia, they came to Pamphylia. Acts 14:25 And when they had preached the word in Perga, they went down into Attalia: Acts 14:26 And thence sailed to Antioch, from whence they had been recommended to the grace of God for the work which they fulfilled. Acts 14:27 And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles. Acts 14:28 And there they abode long time with the disciples.

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Acts 14

ACTS 14

Titus 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

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.Other cities

.Facebook [shake the dust]

.Signs and wonders

.Zeus and Hermes

. Or Jupiter and Mercury

.The legend told

.Don’t worship us!

.Ecclesiology [Just a note- I have a new office/word- the spell check did not recognize this word- ok- but it also does not recognize some other words- that are not as hard- I have been adding ‘to dictionary’ a lot- Oh- the word means church government- it is a common word when writing about the bible and stuff like that]

.Ordination- what is it?

.What is ‘The local church’?

.Avoid the ‘cult of personality’

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.And for my ‘conspiracy theorists’ I made this video a week or so ago- and at the end we actually said ‘What’s up with San Diego [Texas]’- as you know- I have been ‘railing’ on it ever since- I made the video before the news broke.

PAST POSTS- [Past teaching I did that relates to today’s post- Acts 14]

I talked some about ordination and church government on today’s post- here’s a book I wrote years ago that speaks about it-

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https://ccoutreach87.com/1st-2nd-corinthians/

ACTS-

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/01/18/acts-1/

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/01/26/acts-2/

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/02/02/acts-3/

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/02/09/acts-4/

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/03/23/acts-5/

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/03/31/acts-6/

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/04/06/acts-7/

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/04/14/acts-8/

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/04/18/acts-9/

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/05/07/acts-10/

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/05/16/acts-11/

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/05/22/acts-12/

https://ccoutreach87.com/2017/06/01/acts-13/

ACTS 14- Paul and Barnabas continue going thru different cities [Iconium, Lystra] Paul heals a man who was lame from birth and the whole city says ‘these men are gods who have come down in human form’. Paul barely stops them from offering sacrifices to them! In each city they travel to, they have a routine. They go into the synagogue and speak to the gathered. Both Jews and ‘God fearers’ [gentile followers] the pattern of some believing and others resisting becomes routine. Paul also has to deal with the Jews who were following him from past cities. They were sort of 1st century ‘apologists’ who made it their purpose to simply stop Paul. I want you to see that the ‘churches’ were the various groups of people who believed. They did gather together [Ecclesia] but they did not see ‘church’ as a place they went to for religious instruction. They did not start ‘gentile synagogues’ in competition with Judaism. Now Paul goes back thru the cities and at that point ‘ordains Elders in every church’. This is important to see. The ordaining of Elders was the simple process of seeing who had the maturity of understanding in the gospel and could be looked up to as a spiritual guide. Any questions or new converts in the towns would know ‘so and so’ is a responsible believer who Paul put his stamp of approval on. Why even do this? Remember, the enemies of Paul [Jewish law keepers] are going behind Paul’s back and trying to undo all the work that Paul was doing. Elders were gifted men who had the ability to push back against those whose ‘mouths must be stopped’ [Paul’s future language against false teachers]. These Elders were not full time Pastors in the modern sense. They were not singular authorities who ‘cover the flock’. They were not hired clergy! The reason why it is important to see this is because we want to stay as close as possible to the historic picture of the church as we read thru Act’s. These ‘local churches’ were caring communities of Christ followers who did have spiritual oversight that were to be respected and held in high esteem. Paul and Peter will teach the concept of giving honor to those who have spiritual accountability for you. But we can’t apply this to unbiblical forms of ecclesiology/hierarchy that will develop over the centuries. In Luther’s day many well meaning men felt Luther [the 16th century reformer] was rebelling against God ordained authority by going against the Pope. We need to understand that John the Apostle rebuked the rise of singular authorities who would seek to have the preeminence amongst Gods flock [Diotrephes- 3rd Jn]. Paul will warn the Ephesian church [later in Acts] that after his departure men would rise up seeking to make disciples after themselves. The point is any future use of the teaching of Elders/Pastors and the true responsibility to honor and submit to godly authority has to be seen in context with the complete story. While Luther’s [and Paul’s] critics could make the case that they were rebelling against God ordained authority, yet at the same time true revolution always carries an element of casting off old systems and restraint. Paul will confront Peter openly over his hypocrisy between treating Jewish believers different than Gentile believers. Peter was an Apostle before Paul and the argument could have been made ‘who does Paul think he is, going over the head of Peter’. So we need to see the biblical truth of God ordained leadership. The fact that many good Pastors and men of God have faithfully served Christ’s church. But we do not want to develop mindsets contrary to the freedom that we have in Christ while teaching the truth of godly leadership. Paul ordained ‘Elders’ on his way back thru Lystra and Iconium. He sails back to Antioch and recounts all the wonderful success that they had with the gentile believers. Antioch has this free flowing spirit amongst the church. They are gentiles and are not keeping the Jewish law. Paul and Barnabas were getting a reputation amongst the Jewish leadership in the cities and towns. Word gets back to Jerusalem and we will see whether Paul’s gospel will prevail before the ‘church authorities’? I believe we could describe Luther’s response before the Catholic church as fitting Paul’s spirit ‘unless I am persuaded by scripture I can not go against my conscience. Here I stand, I can do nothing else’.

VERSES-

Matthew 10:14 [Full Chapter]

And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

Acts 17:22

Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

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2 Corinthians 12:2

I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

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Acts 14:1 And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed.

Acts 14:2 But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren.

Acts 14:3 Long time therefore abode they speaking boldly in the Lord, which gave testimony unto the word of his grace, and granted signs and wonders to be done by their hands.

Acts 14:4 But the multitude of the city was divided: and part held with the Jews, and part with the apostles.

Acts 14:5 And when there was an assault made both of the Gentiles, and also of the Jews with their rulers, to use them despitefully, and to stone them,

Acts 14:6 They were ware of it, and fled unto Lystra and Derbe, cities of Lycaonia, and unto the region that lieth round about:

Acts 14:7 And there they preached the gospel.

Acts 14:8 And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:

Acts 14:9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,

Acts 14:10 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.

Acts 14:11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.

Acts 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.

Acts 14:13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.

Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,

Acts 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

Acts 14:16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.

Acts 14:17 Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.

Acts 14:18 And with these sayings scarce restrained they the people, that they had not done sacrifice unto them.

Acts 14:19 And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.

Acts 14:20 Howbeit, as the disciples stood round about him, he rose up, and came into the city: and the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe.

Acts 14:21 And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch,

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Acts 14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

Acts 14:24 And after they had passed throughout Pisidia, they came to Pamphylia.

Acts 14:25 And when they had preached the word in Perga, they went down into Attalia:

Acts 14:26 And thence sailed to Antioch, from whence they had been recommended to the grace of God for the work which they fulfilled.

Acts 14:27 And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.

Acts 14:28 And there they abode long time with the disciples.

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