#not that I don't love joyce
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thinking about Jonathan Byers who cried himself to sleep, threw up seeing his little brother's dead body, thought his mom was going through an episode, planned a funeral, confronted his abuser, didn't want to tell his mom about monster hunting because she had been through enough, stole a gun, nearly shot a deer, pulled Nancy out of the upside down, stayed the night with her so she wouldn't be alone, went shopping for a bear trap & a pack of .48s to kill a monster and then wasn't confronted/checked on/ or asked about where he had been or what he had been doing until he was arrested for fighting Steve after he insulted the Byers family.
#also Hopper is the one to ask what the fuck he's been up to not joyce#not that I don't love joyce#and not that I don't get what she was going through but fuck#S1 JONATHAN BYERS YOU WILL ALWAYS BE FAMOUS TO ME#The way about to say screw finishing s2 and start s1 again#Stranger Things#st 1#Jonathan Byers#byers family
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JOYCE & JONATHAN in stranger things three
#jonathan byers#joyce byers#nancy wheeler#jancy#... my villan origin story?#perhaps#all of their moments are about or focusing on nancy#which i should like in theory#but i really don't#i love these moments but there needed to be more. waaaaay more.#almost added the jonathan-less byers hug sarcastically#but i held myself back
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Joyce Byers Stranger Things 3 Chapter Five: The Flayed | 3.05
#stranger things#strangerthingsedit#joyce#s3#the flayed#lex creates#stedit#dailystrangerthings#tvstrangerthings#filmtvedit#dailyflicks#dailynetflix#netflixedit#cinematv#tvedit#made these. don't know if i love them#i think i like my gifs a little softer#one of these days i'm really going to love my gif settings...
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i do love that everyone is visibly shocked and grieving when buffy dies, sobbing, crying, stumbling, etc, but spike fucking collapses
#jack facts#straight to the ground. and not just his knees either he is fucking laid. out.#i also do really love that like. he's been a huge creep and been very disrespectful wrt his feelings.#which i'm sure is part of why (in addition to him being a vamp with no soul) buffy and everyone else doubted that he really did love her#and then gradually they came to see more and more proof that he really for real meant it when he said it#but throughout he is still doing creep stalker shit (until she unwelcomes him from the house at which point he realizes she really meant no#like i just really like that they had him doing both of those behaviors concurrently#and also that they had him like joyce and care about dawn on their own merits#and bond with xander over cynicism and with giles over shared culture even while they still don't like each other#it's just all very three dimensional and i'm into it. and then. you know. his supreme whumpability. and all.
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don't let it in with no intention to keep it au, p1
The first time Dawn Summers meets Spike, she's twelve years old and supposed to be in bed, technically.
There's been police at their house all day, and their mom has been worried, calling people and driving around and not letting Dawn go to her friend Kayla's house even though she promised last week that Dawn could sleep over if she got all her homework done. It's not fair. Dawn sits on the end of her bed in her PJs and chews on her nails, which is a gross habit that she had stopped doing, but she just can't help it, she's sorry.
It's because Buffy's in trouble, again, and Willow's in the hospital, and Mr. Giles is missing, and the police said a girl died, too, but they didn't say who it was. Dawn heard the police guy tell Mom that if Buffy turned herself in, everything would be alright, but that's a lie. Buffy's in trouble again, and it's big trouble this time, and Dawn's passed the point where she's smug about her big, know-it-all, annoying sister being the problem child and starting to get really scared.
No one's seen Buffy for, like, more than a day.
So when Dawn hears her sister's voice in the front yard, she goes running downstairs and throws open the door. She stumbles to a stop just inside the doorway.
And stares. Buffy is standing on the porch with their mom and a man Dawn doesn't know. Mom looks tense and drawn; so does Buffy. They both have a set to their shoulders that indicates to Dawn that they are mid-argument, only company is over so they have to be polite about it.
The man is funny. He's short, with an angular face and hair bleached almost as pale as his skin. He's all tattooed and he's got a scar in one eyebrow and a piercing in the other and he's wearing a long, leather trench kinda coat with sort of punk rock clothes - he doesn't look like one of Buffy's friends, Dawn thinks, staring at him.
He's staring back at her, an exaggerated tilt to his head, like a curious dog. His eyes look washed-out and nearly colorless in the orange porchlight, pupils too big. They're focused very intensely on her.
"And who might you be, luv?" he asks. His voice sounds funny, like someone from a movie. Dawn blinks at him.
Before she can respond, Buffy darts between them, snarling. "You don't talk to my sister," she snaps.
"Dawn," Mom says. She walks past the man and Buffy, who are now glaring at each other in the doorway, and takes Dawn's hand. "Let's get you to bed."
"But -" Dawn argues. It's not fair, she thinks, it's really not.
"I guess you're gonna have to come in, Spike," she hears Buffy say like acid.
"I guess that's invitation enough," the man - Spike? - says back.
Dawn wants to stay and see what Buffy is doing with this weird man and what it has to do with the dead girl and Willow and Mr. Giles and the police. Her mom, in her infinite wisdom, ignores her twelve-year-old protests and leads her up the stairs and back to her room. She eavesdrops on the rest of the negotiation - the discussion - the fight - crouched at the top of the banister.
And if Spike, on his way out the front door, glances up, catches her eye, and winks, well ... her mom and Buffy don't have to know.
#spike#dawn summers#joyce summers#buffy summers#it's terribly simple#myfic#witness my tattooed-and-pierced spike truther agenda. i'm pushing it until it becomes fanon.#also let's just start writing dawn into the early seasons of buffy i know people hate dawn but i adore her i truly do i think#the early seasons would have been great with a bratty little sister character to bother buffy honestly. i think so. i love dawn#also i think that dawn would be twelve and not eleven at this point ? but whatever. she doesnt exist yet technically soooooo it dont matter#ALSO also So Important to me that soulless evil didnt-know-he-was-in-love-with-buffy-yet spike took one look at bitty baby dawn and went#''yum! tasty little treat! all for me? oh buffy you shouldnt have''#don't let it in with no intention to keep it au
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Hey Joyce, you must be so exhausted from taking care of 3 teenagers 24/7.. You know I would love to adopt them and get them out of your way, for your sake of course ❤ *happily steals Jonathan Will and El*
#jonathan byers#will byers#el hopper#they are my kids#sorry joyce but they're mine now.#i love them so bad you don't understand#my babiiiiiiies#❤❤❤
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I just don't think an author should edit the racist (or otherwise problematic) shit they wrote out of an edition of their book, let the other editions go out of print, and not at least leave a note acknowledging that they made the edits because they wrote something problematic and they apologize, but if you're buying this book you should probably know that it had content you may find offensive.
#romance novel blogging#people are discussing the kleypas edits again and i'm just very tired of my fellow whites going#'but see i don't wanna read that racism! i'm glad she's editing it out'#lol like..... maybe the issue is less the edits and more the lack of ownership...?#maybe the edits when made without a note suggest less of a moral motive and more of a 'make the books sellable' motive#and it's probably SOME OF BOTH#god knows i can't speak for her#but if you don't admit you did something and attempt to erase it idk man will never sit well with me#(AND KEV AND CAM ARE STILL WEIRDLY WRITTEN!!!!!)#idk i also think that people especially white people need to sometimes reconcile w the fact that authors we love#have often written shit we don't agree with#especially if the author has been working forever#and i say this as someone who loves kleypas's books#i'll also say that the depiction of joyce in my favorite kleypas book dreaming of you is messed up!#there's some really weird homophobic shit that happens when she threatens to SA sara to see what derek was getting out of her#i would rather know that was in there than not
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What is your favorite Thursday Murder Club member? Im particularly attached to Ron and Elizabeth.
Oooooooooh tough question because I honestly love them all but if I had to pick - it's between Ibrahim and Joyce!
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#the thursday murder club#ask#spoilers for book two:#Ron jumped up high on my list of favs after Ibrahim was attacked#because he was just so soft and caring for his friend#outside of the main four I love Bogdan and Stephen#spoilers for book four:#I cried like a baby multiple times reading the fourth book because of Stephen#not just like a few tears - full on crying#my best friend can attest because I sent them a Snapchat of me just a mess#Joyce I love because she's just so sweet without being naive#and I was so happy when she adopted Alan#I love Ibrahim with Alan too#I just love this book series so much#(I don't own the fourth one yet because I own the other three in paperback so I'm waiting)#(I don't like having some books in a series as paperback and some as hardcover - I need it to be consistent)#(that's why I'm currently on the book hunt for the first two Percy Jackson books and Pandora gets jealous)
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Chloe Price in Life Is Strange (2015)
#Crimson's Gifs: Life Is Strange#Life Is Strange#LIS#LIS1#LIS 1#Life Is Strange 1#Life Is Strange (2015)#Chloe Price#Chloe Price (LIS1)#Chloe Life Is Strange#So ive finished my second replay and again if you choose the bay over chloe I personally think you missed the entire point of the game#Because if you pick bay the entire game was for nothing and Joyce is in agony again (she suffers more than jesus in bay)#If you asked her she'd definitely choose to die over her baby as most good mothers would cos thats their baby#David is also a lot happier in Chloe ending instead of the Bay ending in LIS2 because a parent outliving their child is the worst thing#You could do to one. He misses Joyce but he still has Chloe (and Max). Most marriages don't survive the loss of a child#Idk just. aside from Max and Chloe obviously loving each other to death. Thinking about how much worse Chloe dying is over Joyce FOR Joyce#Nevermind the fact she gets murdered thinking shes abandoned and unloved on a cold dirty bathroom floor. Joyce doesnt deserve to die either#But at least hers is quick painless and not alone. Chloes fate in Bay is absolutely cruel and horrendous#Side note but I also think this is the most gut wrenching depiction of a school shooting ive ever seen in anything#Max jumping when the gunshot goes off makes me sick every time#Blood
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this really reads so easily as joyce's latent bigotry towards her queer daughter coming out in a way that the show will, of course, write off later.
#celia watches btvs#i know this is just joyce under the influence of magics but like ...#i don't love that we've had multiple ''joyce under the influence of magics does something fucked up and traumatic to buffy''#it's not fun to watch :(
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"Jonathan's night to pick?" -> "Hey Bud, I uh, didn't know what you’d like so I got a variety. Take your pick"
#i think about this CONSTANTLY#so I'm forcing y'all to think about it with me#my controversial yet brave opinion is that people don't like Jonathan because his characterization is in the details#also YES it was vital I kept the 'uh' in there#byers boys love their umm and uhhs#also don't get started on how bob ends up picking#joyce byers#jonathan byers#will byers#bob newby#byers brothers#byers family#stranger things
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One of my biggest Stranger Things fandom pet peeves is when people call El, El Byers. As if her father "dies" and then she starts going by her adoptive family's name? It's not even like they officially adopted her. How disrespectful to her relationship with Hopper to try and erase that part of her identity by calling her El Byers. She's El Hopper and she always will be. She may change her name to Wheeler when she gets married but at that point it will be legally changed 😁
#i mean cmon it's just not the way names work#joyce isn't pretending she's el's birth mother as far as canon tells us#she's just taking care of el because otherwise she would be homeless#i'm not saying that joyce doesn't love her like a mother but she didn't legally adopt el in any way#so el's name is still hopper as it should be#also it's annoying because this fandom fucking knows that hopper is alive so don't disrespect hopper and el's father daughter relationship#stranger things#the hopper family#the byers-hopper family#el#eleven#el hopper#jane hopper#joyce byers#jim hopper#netflix
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love this shot. it's like mike is inviting them into his mind/game ("alright, wheeler, i think we found your hub") + max and dustin are the ones who step into frame. i am staring at the implications
#with the dustin death foreshadowing#possibly the two party members who dived in recklessly despite the risk and proceeded to pay the price#lucas was wary#el came in pre-traumatised from how dangerous it is#will obviously went through All That and became traumatised about it#dustin was like HEY I'LL PLAY and max was like WHY WON'T YOU LET ME PLAY#and then they die#because it's not a game which is what mike is constantly talking about in s2#it's not dnd it's real life he's from the upside down maybe he should be dead it's the brain if we kill it we kill everything it controls#brings it full circle to mike being willing to sacrifice himself for dustin too#he'd choose any of them over himself#these two are the ones reckless enough to show why it's a reasonable choice to make#it could be viewed as a necessity when you're inherently dangerous and you're friends with blind risk takers like max and dustin#who get themselves killed because you failed in all attempts to do the same#if you make the audience love these characters and then kill them#then asking if killing mike is worth it becomes a weighted question#because we love max and dustin. we don't want them to die. neither does mike#nancy didn't want barb to die#joyce didn't want bob to die#max DID want billy to die which is a whole other beast#but his dad sure didn't#everyone matters to someone and mike has decided that everyone else matters more than him#as long as you ignore max and dustin and karen all losing their minds when he's in mortal danger and possibly dead#it's all so complex and yummy i want to EAT it#anyway#cool shot 👍#st posting#manifestation theory
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imma keep it real with you guys and tell u the most basic common sense thing ever which i thought everyone knew but apparently not (not said in a mean or condescending way). ahem. it's ok to write a byler fic that only has byler in it. no one is going to stone you or bite you if you don't include the entire party or every other character. it's literally okay 🩷
#you don't know where to fit x character? or you don't feel confident writing them? brother you literally don't have to include them lol#ngl i love fics written by oldheads who give side characters the most random assignments ever#ESPECIALLY when they're only described physically and it makes you go ''hm.. red hair.. glasses.. WAIT IS IT BARB?! 😦''#read this one fic where everything is different and it's totally 100% au in every way and there was a character that we never got their#name and it FUCKING KILLED ME!!!!!!!!!!!! bc i couldn't tell if it was joyce or karen omfg jus tht it was an older kind brunette#and then the author disappeared so now i'll never kno </3#but ya. some of my favorite fics have had only mike and will and maybe the byerses#just because the source material is an ensemble show doesn't mean that all of the fan works have to also be an ensemble!
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#eleven hopper#joyce byers#eleven stranger things#el hopper#im gonna throw up#i love them so bad you don't understand
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yes i know we all hate karen here but heres the thing. i got a crush on cara from her part in person of interest and i refuse to let the duffer brothers shitty storylines and fucked up attempts at romance take her character away from me. anyway EYE get to pick and choose what the characters i like would actually do and u know what? she would not do that shit. thanku
#'that shit' being fuck a teenager#karen wheeler /#ive said it once and ill say it again!!!! au where instead of going Sexy Mode karen goes Mum Mode when billy knocks on the wheelers door#in s2!!!! i know everyone favours joyce to adopt billy but like. i think the karen version could be fun.#actually body swap au with billy and karen#billy waking up at the wheelers and being like what the actual fuck#mike and nancy not noticing anything out of the norm cos even when they're home? theyre not rly home#holly definitely noticing cos billy lets her have icecream for breakfast but also.#she gets ice cream for breakfast. shes not about to complain.#he slides the bowl of ice cream over to her like 'fuckin eat up kid. we got shit to do today.'#holly fucking LOVES this new side of her mum#ted???? don't even get billy started on ted#first thing billy says to karen when they finally meet up is 'you fuckin MARRIED that ?????? i thought my mum had bad taste but holy shit.#at least my dad's got personality. shitty ass personality but still. it's Something.'#and karens like 'yeah i got a close and personal experience with his personality this morning.'#cue the crushing realisation that oh Fuck theyve switched Bodies theyve switched Lives#karens getting a first hand look at the Billy & Neil Show etc#idk. just thinking thoughts thankyou for listening#okay BACK to regular scheduled blogging. i was just in her tag to procrastinate going out#m#text#billy x karen
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