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hopefulleafva · 2 months ago
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Papyrus Wrote the UTDR Mystery Valentine
Okay so with a 2025 release for Deltarune chapters 3&4 confirmed I want to get this off my chest and document it for future me to either feel vindicated by or have a good laugh at how wrong it was. This has been eating me alive since the Valentine’s newsletter and I never said anything but I want this out there before anything new comes out.
Disclaimer: I have no idea if this is a theory other people have already made posts on or not because all I ever see is “it’s Gaster!” or “It’s not Gaster, it’s Dess/Egg Man/[Insert mysterious character here!]”. If someone has posted this theory before I missed it entirely. Not looking to steal anyone’s theory thunder here.
I’ve convinced myself this is Papyrus and just want to get my thoughts down here.
So. I see a lot of people talk about how the flippant and humorous way it’s written makes them think this isn’t Gaster. To get the Gaster stuff out of the way, my stance is that everyone has their own preferred idea of how they think Gaster acts and whether or not he could have a sense of humor, but we really have yet to learn a lot about him in canon. I don’t love us trying to make rules about what is and isn’t “in character” for him when we really haven’t met properly and have very little dialogue to go off of. I get a lot of people are basing their ideas of him being serious off Entry 17 and the popular assumption that the intro voice is Gaster. I think that’s fair and very understandable, but even still it’s only an extremely limited peek at what the guy is like. Point is, maybe he does have a silly sense of humor and maybe he doesn’t. I don’t want to entirely dismiss the idea that Gaster wrote this based on “it’s too silly, Gaster is serious!”. But I also think that the idea that because the speaker is a mysterious voice with meta knowledge of Deltarune that it MUST be Gaster is also a bit shaky.
Anyway.
Is it just me or does the bizarre roundabout way of phrasing things in the letter perfectly fall in line with how Papyrus speaks?
One of my favorite notes in the Undertale Legends of Localization book (HIGHLY recommend by the way, a really fascinating read) was this:
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While yes, it’s important to bear in mind that this was the quote of a localizer and not Toby directly, I think it still rings very true for Papyrus’s character. Don’t really think I need a laundry list of examples for this point, right? Papyrus’s fun and unique way of speaking is such a memorable part of his character that you encounter in all routes.
Which is why it’s so interesting to me that this mystery writer seems to have a highly similar way of phrasing things in a unique and playful way.
The first one that really sticks out to me is the “I never forget someone I don’t remember.”
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Really reminded me of the little bit you get after a post neutral run reset.
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While not something I originally weighed in to my theory, it is worth noting that this bit between Papyrus and Sans occurs immediately after Papyrus has recognized Frisk after seeing them for this “first” time. This makes the mystery valentine writer’s preceding comment that they will know the forgotten person they are looking for immediately upon seeing them extra interesting.
This bit also stood out to me:
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Because it also felt like very familiar phrasing. It took me a while to realize what it was making me think of.
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Down to the quotations around a common phrase like it’s an alleged thing not a very common thing??? Like MAN.
While these were the only two parts I felt directly and strongly paralleled specific phrasing Papyrus has used before in canon, there were a few other things that caught my eye.
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A faith in the power of love, and the power of belief.
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(Yes, I realize the “even if you don’t think so” appears to negate the idea of Frisk’s beliefs being an important part of their ability to change, but I’d say Papyrus is still emphasizing that his beliefs are significant in this.)
Very strange that the writer doesn’t dismiss the idea that the person they have forgotten they wanted to help could be themself. How could you forget yourself? But then again…
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And while not really the same degree of strength in a parallel, I just want to bring up that the letter writer remarks that the reader is odd yet reliable for responding out loud to a piece of written communication.
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It is strange that the author seems to have still heard the reader’s out-loud reply to the letter. A weird instance where a mode of communication that has limits on what SHOULD be able to be perceived by the other person somehow has those limits broken and allows that person to comment on something they shouldn’t be able to perceive.
Kind of like if you were having a phone call with someone far away from you but they still seemed to somehow be able to know exactly what you were looking at and where you were. Where have we heard that before…?
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Also come on. You can’t tell me “PUT ON YOUR COAT AND WASH YOUR FACE! OR, PUT ON YOUR FACE AND WASH YOUR COAT. NOT NECESSARILY IN THAT ORDER. OR, IN ANY ORDER AT ALL.” doesn’t sound like a Papyrus-ism.
I know some people may point out that Papyrus already has Valentines that are very explicitly from him in the newsletter, so it would be weird to have three that are and one that wasn’t. But I don’t think that necessarily should refute this idea. It could be possible the “signed” valentines are from Undertale’s Papyrus, and this one is from Deltarune’s Papyrus. Even if you subscribe to the idea that UT Papyrus IS DR Papyrus, this could simply be a letter sent from a different point in time.
Anyway, this has been eating me alive since February so I wanted to get it off my chest. Maybe this is completely off base, but interesting to think about.
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angelbitezzz · 7 months ago
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This is about me exclusively drawing his Father for the past few weeks in @finderseeker's whiteboard, which finally ended a few hours ago
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xurkitreeking · 27 days ago
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i wanted to draw them all next to each other to get a good height comparison and...
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i don't think i really thought about how big a difference 2 feet is
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chiff0n-echz · 18 days ago
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★More dtiys entries because i have nothing better to do (i do)
★The one on the left is on Instagram (_starsh1ne___) and the right is on tiktok (coquettesalmon),,, go give them your love <333
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★Style experiment... Was originally gonna have some random doodles but tumblr is actually tweaking out about it so 💔
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starlos-hat · 11 months ago
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chujin moodboard
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zabberzim · 8 months ago
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It’s time I reveal to the Tumblr community my first attempt at making a comic a year and 3 months ago :
The LanDot soulmates comic one anon asked about a month ago 🪐💥
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sydmarch · 2 months ago
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starting a collection of characters who are hannah geists. to me
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spiderdotexe · 1 year ago
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undertale
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wave-nine · 1 year ago
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korolation · 2 months ago
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amber redesign woooo
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indigoturtles · 7 days ago
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i’m gonna do a six characters for the first time in ages send me requests here or in ask box :D
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this cannot possibly go wrong
1/6: Hornet, requested by @gery-07
2/6: Flowey, requested by @runamgender
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raiinbowolive · 1 year ago
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sometimes you just have to be a little silly
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instaquarius · 8 months ago
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A belated Happy Mothers(? Day
Since canonically Arceus (and most legendaries have no gender) I guess it kinda counts???? Chara has no idea lmao
She asked him for his gender once (and if he's technically a "mama" cuz he created all of his children p much) or a "papa" and Arceus was just like "yes" sooooooooo it technically counts okay- shut up XD
Collab with me and my fiance TheOnePhun211 (I did the sketch/lineart and start of the coloring with chara, mick finished the rest cuz my computers are on the fritz and kinda dying soooo until I can get a new computer he's gonna be helping me out with my drawings as an FYI)
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For PokeTale: Ascendance
An AU based off of an RP between me and a friend of mine from my discord server discord.gg/pQf9ZsdF6E (Though now I technically completely own the AU. since we decided cuz I'm the only one adding lore to this, it's no longer a collab AU between us) *even though it originally started because of a rp between us
where the Creation Trio as babies (a time they all cant really fully control their powers and junk) accidentally create a portal into the Undertale Universe and meet Chara and basically Arceus finds Chara and adopts her after finding out about her shitty human parents and Chara ends up helping Arceus raise the babies and basically lives in the Pokemon Universe now
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random-autie-fangirl · 2 months ago
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Dreemurr sibling similarities
Creepy smiles
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2. Pranks
(Kris does this all the time, Chara's only known prank is not doing their creepy face when the camera is on but Az's "quit tricking me" makes me think they do this a lot, and Asriel sure jokes about disturbing things but the only thing I'd call a prank is the "did you think this was over? ...I mean, we haven't even done the special thanks yet" which is in no way a canon interaction but I think it proves it's the kinda thing he'd do nonetheless)
3. A sick sense of humour
("If you laid here you might never get up", "completely indistinguishable from the dust of your friends", and some of Kris's pranks tend towards the morbid (especially the ketchup blood))
(seems to) Love their sibling more than anything
(the seems to is, of course, for Chara. They did get him a best friends forever locket but who knows if they actually meant it? The most concrete evidence we have for Chara's affection for Asriel is how personally they seem to take his "betrayal" and that's just depressing)
4. World destroying actions
(I know Kris probably isn't trying to destroy the world but they sure are contributing to it, Asriel did say he wanted to destroy the world at one point, didn't he?)
5. Green and yellow shirts
6. Plots and Schemes
(from the buttercup plan, to setting up the pacifist ending, to the rushed but effective new dark world for Susie! plot)
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idc-i-just-want-pokemon · 5 months ago
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So i've been hyperfixating on ut aus again and reading @signanothername posts have been scratching that itch for the murder time trio and nightmare so
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I did a thing.
I've been working on Cally in different AUs so I decided, fuck it, imma put my shitty fc in with the edgiest boys in the ut multiverse.
Basic rundown is the gang attack a timeline with a Cally in it, Horror sees them and because horror came from a timeline with a Cally he tries to act all cool and like he's their Sans. When Cally starts to notice the red eye, the axe, the kinda more mean spirited humour and the crack in the skull Horror hears his coworkers and is like "welp". So he throws Cally over his shoulder and decides the safest place they are is with him, he takes Cally all the way back to the meet up spot and all the while Cally sees people they know running in the opposite direction not being able to see what they're running from but knowing they are heading towards it with someone who is now a stranger to them forcing them towards it. yada yada everyone meets up and is like "tf" when they see Cally and Horror is all "hey they cant do nothin so no problem right? I want a hampter" Nightmare gets briefly pissy but seeing that Dust and Horror clearly have an attachment to the anomaly he like "wow blackmail? sweet" so he says fuck it and allows them to be taken back. So they do and Cally is shitting themselves as they do because they didn't even know Aus exist let alone that there were sanses who could teleport and have tentacles and they're still kinda hung up on the big crack in the head like didn't he have 1 HP how the fuck is he? why the fuck is he? When the fuck is he? when the fuck are they? Are they in a castle? Why a castle? What Sans would be so self involved to even want to have a fucking castle?
But yeah shit happens and Horror tries to take care of Cally when he's there but he is Horror so that basically amounts to letting Cally lean their head on his shoulder and making sure they're fed, Dust tries to avoid Cally and never looks them in the eyes, Killer is intrigued with Cally's relationships with the other Sans' but he figures Cally out as a person pretty quickly and gets bored with them, And when all the others aren't around visiting their AUs Nightmare uses Cally as either a punching bag for fun or basically a pet cat depending on the point in the story, when it comes to the others being around Nightmare will withhold Cally as punishment keeping Cally locked in a room on their own and not letting Horror or Dust know if their dead or alive. When Nightmare is feeling particularly bitchy or upset he'll fuck with Cally by saying shit like they specifically targeted their au for them or that everyone in their timeline doesn't even care anymore that they're gone and are even much happier or even that they aren't the first Cally they've done this to and if they jump out of that window right now then they'll just go to another Cally au and do the exact same thing they did to their timeline again.
Of course they're still the first, Nightmare doesn't care enough about the leverage it gives him over Horror and Dust to go out of his way to get another one if they die, besides it's a lot easier to keep feeding them Oran berries when they get down to 1 hp. He just likes to watch the little spark of indignation in their face die at the thought of being responsible for copies of their loved ones being hurt or killed because of them and their disposition become lifeless as they realise they're never getting out of there, never getting away from him.
SO YEAH THAT'S LIKE MY SHITTY BRAIN BARF HOPE YOU ATLEAST SEMI ENJOYED READING IT??
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inkyu · 2 months ago
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Fiddle(Cosplaying Swap): Me!!
Nameless (Cosplaying Ink): @desvis999
Rich(Cosplaying Dream): Keter doesn't have Tumblr :<
Please don't kill me for this I thought it was funny...
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