#nostoi

[lyculuscaelus]

Just imagine that it’s not actually those Trojan War heroes that went to Italy after war, and the cities were in fact founded by their descendants, who attributed the name to their ancestors. So that way we’ll have the Diomedeïdae coming to Apulia, Idomeneïdae to Illyria and then Calabria, Philoctetiadae to Campania, etc. which may not be what happened but historically makes more sense and it’s kinda fun to think about

[ultimate-word-tournament]

Ultimate Word Tournament!

Νόστοι (Greek) Nostoi [nós.toi] 1. the act of returning or going back. 2. "Returns," the title of a lost part of the Epic Cycle.

Eierschalensollbruchstellenverursacher (German) [ˌaɪ̯.ɐˌʃaː.lənˌzɔl.brʊxˌʃtɛ.lənˌfɛɐ̯ˈuːɐ̯ˌza.xɐ] A device used to create breaking points in egg shells in order to allow one to easily remove the top part of an egg using a knife without causing the shell to splinter; used for the humorous effect of its overly-formal construction: Eierschale (“egg shell”) +‎ Sollbruchstelle (“predetermined breaking point”) +‎ Verursacher (“causer”)

[gwydpolls]

Time Travel Question 21: The Library of Alexandria (Miscellaneous III)

I welcome your suggestions for both Library of Alexandria and other lost works of World Literature and History, as there will be future polls.

[albeyurich]

"Latecoming Diadochus"...

I love Osse. I love Scylla. I love Remuria. Photographs taken during the World Quest Series "Canticles of Harmony"...

... And I miss Cassiodor...

02/02 - After 581 days... Finally AR60!

[emmikay]

*slams door open* Does Chiron have access to the lost works of the epic cycle?

[bonjin-no-kamera]

Somehow, a lot of the photos I take here are of Kaeya or Childe.

[genshinmp3]

Year of Tribulation from Cantus Aeternus Yijun Jiang, HOYO-MiX

[inky-quilled-dragon]

GENSHIN KNOWS WHAT WE FUCKING WANT WOOOOOOOO LETS HEAR IT FOR FELINE FORTRESS MECHANICS STICKING AROUND FOR THE NOSTOI QUEST

WE CAN PET THE CATTTTTTTTTTT

[lyculuscaelus]

End of Nostoi

ἔνθ᾽ ἄλλοι μὲν πάντες, ὅσοι φύγον αἰπὺν ὄλεθρον, οἴκοι ἔσαν, πόλεμόν τε πεφευγότες ἠδὲ θάλασσαν: Now all the others, as many as fled from utter destruction, were at home, having escaped from war and waves. (Odyssey, book 1, line 11–12)

Just a little reminder that Homer put this here for a reason—first of all, to emphasize that the other Achaeans’ toils had been done—their war finished, their home returned, to contrast with Odysseus, a man still trapped on Ogygia, still yearning to return to his home and wife, as the following lines (13–15) point out:

τὸν δ᾽ οἶον νόστου κεχρημένον ἠδὲ γυναικὸς νύμφη πότνι᾽ ἔρυκε Καλυψὼ δῖα θεάων ἐν σπέσσι γλαφυροῖσι, λιλαιομένη πόσιν εἶναι. But him (Odysseus) alone yearning for his return and his wife, The powerful nymph Calypso, heavenly goddess, still restrained him In her hollow caves, longing for him to be her husband.

This is to incite pathos in the narrative: all of his friends who didn’t die along the way had made it back, but he alone was still suffering. This is again proven by Nestor’s speech in book 3, in which he stated that Diomedes, Neoptolemus, Philoctetes, Idomeneus—the very heroes who would otherwise be wandering around in Italy or in Epirus as other later traditions mentioned—had returned home safely.

Another thing to think about is Dios boulē (Διὸς βουλή), roughly speaking, “Zeus’s plan/will”. It’s quite a dominant theme in Homeric poems, but here I just wanted to point out that it was Zeus who devised the mournful return for Achaeans (and executed by Athena—destruction for others, assistance for Odysseus when he got to Ithaca), as mentioned by Nestor:

καὶ τότε δὴ Ζεὺς λυγρὸν ἐνὶ φρεσὶ μήδετο νόστον Ἀργείοις, ἐπεὶ οὔ τι νοήμονες οὐδὲ δίκαιοι πάντες ἔσαν: τῶ σφεων πολέες κακὸν οἶτον ἐπέσπον μήνιος ἐξ ὀλοῆς* γλαυκώπιδος ὀβριμοπάτρης. And then indeed Zeus in his mind planned a mournful return For Argives, since we all were in no wise prudent or just— Thus many of them met an evil fate Through the destructive wrath of the bright-eyed daughter of that mighty father. (Odyssey, book 3, line 132–135) * “destructive wrath of Athena” or “wrath of destructive Athena”…technically the latter fits the word sequence of the original text better, but considering this ἐξ is moved behind μήνιος due to fit the dactylic structure, I’d say it works for both, and the former one seems more plausible.

The entire point of nostoi was then to punish the Achaeans for their crimes during the sack of Troy; on the other hand, their punishment was already fulfilled during the time of their homecoming. And this would also be the fulfillment Zeus’s plan: for them to return to sing the tales of his plan, from the start of the war to the end of the return.

Thus, in the Homeric context, by the time Odysseus went home, the other Achaeans must have either perished along the way or arrived home safe and sound, with no more trials awaiting. It is the will of Zeus. It is the end of their tribulations. It is the closing of a full cycle—an Epic Cycle.

[keep-on-trying]

Hmmm.

I went to the door to Khaen'riah again. After learning about how suspeciously empty the Nostoi Region's Sumeru parts are. But not all of Sumeru part. To me it seems to be the parts that are right above supposed Khaen'riah location. Image below screencapped from interactive map.

Like, not all of it is empty, the area right above the gate has lots of stuff to do from before Fontaine released. But the rest to the right of it is quite lifeless. Devoid of anything. You could say it's Hoyo being lazy, but it could definitely be a "no point in keeping this area locked up anymore and leave it empty because it will get massive changes later in the story, thus any interactable would become obsolete". It would be bad game design to make such massive area full of temporarily available puzzles.

So, who knows. If they release another area that is so clearly empty of anything to do and it's not really possible for it to be lore related, then it could be chalked as Hoyo not spending enough effort on it, but I want to first see what comes of this area in the future.

[poetas-thougturados]

¿por qué las personas le añaden besos, abrazos o algún gesto memorable a las despedidas? ¿no ven que así una más se acuerda y más le duele?

[marie-the-psychic]

Untitled

TW // explicit violence, references to su!cide.

There's no faith in bliss and pain, Only a heart made of broken porcelain And shattered girls beyond repair, Repeating pointless prayers on their way to hell.

I won't let myself follow that fate, I'll flee from here, leave far away instead. Drain all the life and amputate, Make an incision and reach into my chest.

I'll die by the will of my rotting brains, Feeding from my guts and hung from my veins. I'm eager to wither, I can't wait, My thoughts are rushing, driving me insane.

I'll bite into my heart and rip it all apart, I'll empty my chest and plant belladonnas. This is what I need, what I'm meant to be, A dissected flower left in the abyss.

A wounded crow trapped and tied up to a cross, A life stomped and left to fade alone. I'm not dying just to turn into dust, I'm finishing all the work you failed to leave done.

And I'll sell my bones for those that come this way, I'll become the martyr of the forsaken and the maimed, The patron saint of faithless death, A tale of broken words with a horrid end.

It's not fair, I never wanted this to end this way, But I'd rather agonize quick under my own knife, Mourning the long lost dreams and star-eyed girl that breathed once, Rather than let you torture me until my eventual demise.

[shinigami-k]

Por que no lo pusieron si no querian hacer la temporada dos hubiera sido un buen final!!!!

IT IS REAL?

“The two people look at each other for a long time, remembering their past relationship”

OMG!!! I'M DYING

[ditoob]

I think that one of my favorite parts of studying the Iliad and the Trojan war is how incredible the world building is. The fact that you can research any of the characters and find their life prior to and (in some cases) after the Trojan War, their families and typically fathers which themselves form parts of different epics (Telamon, Peleus and Laertes all being Argonauts who sailed with Jason for the golden fleece) (Depending on the version Herakles, Orpheus, Theseus and Atalanta could’ve also been there with them), and just how much content there is about each figure in the war that you wouldn’t know just by reading the Iliad.

Why was Paris chosen by the gods to pick which goddess was the most beautiful? He proved to the gods on a previous ocassion in a bull competition he hosted which Ares won that he was a fair and honest judge (I guess he lost that fairness in judgement by the time the goddesses appeared before him)

How did Achilles become such an almost undefeatable warrior? He was the son of an Argonaut and a sea-nymph raised by Hera whom both Poseidon and Zeus wanted to bed, and was trained by mighty Chiron who taught heroes like Orpheus and Herakles.

Why are the walls of Troy “impenetrable”? They were built by Apollo and Poseidon disguised as humans due to a punishment from Zeus.

And this is all known with thousands of lines of the Trojan War’s story being lost to time. Imagine if we had more of the Nostoi or Cypria or Little Iliad, if we still had plays like “Myrmidons” or had a better historical understanding of Mycenaean Greece.

And still, with all this content, the Trojan War is just a section of the greater greek myths. The mythologized greek world existed far before Troy, and it continued to push forward far after.

[bonjin-no-kamera]

[genshinmp3]

Requiem Resonantia from Cantus Aeternus Arcangelo Chen, HOYO-MiX