#nathan sphinx

[taldigi]

There we go. All of the pre-canon/LB Classic/fashion club characters and their designs, as well as their concept art counterparts/inspirations

[creator-yimynany]

family au。

Juliette是我为了区分开quantic kids男女主（毕竟男主名字叫Nathan）与pv男女主给qk女主起的名字！

[sallertiafabrica]

Some bad guys

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[velvetiivenus]

Hi, I was browsing tumblr here and quite by chance came across an important discovery, namely the supposedly existing version of ladybug from 2010. Can you write what this version is? And who is Gorgeous Nathan from the gym club, I assume that Nathan is pre Felix, he existed before Felix!?Is he Felix's prototype?

Do you have any ideas or headcanons about Nathan or any theories?

Do you know anything else about this Nathan?Was he a chat noir from the Mini Menace?Or did the chat noir from the mini menace have no name!?

This will probably end up being quite a long answer because there's a lot of ground to cover, so sorry if it ends up being quite long 😊

Can you write what this version is?

I actually already wrote about this version of Miraculous in one of my first posts on this blog! Here's what I wrote about half a year ago:

Around 2010, plans started to be made for a movie (and possibly a spin-off series) about Ladybug (at the time named "Lady Bug"). The movie would have been part of a trilogy and there were even plans for a comic book series based on these films. It's unknown if Chat Noir even existed in this concept, and I don't think Tikki and Plagg existed since they were probably introduced by Toei (who probably also introduced the transformations and all the other magical girl stuff). Félix didn't exist, and instead we had a character called Nathan. There is no concept art or information about Nathan apart from his name and that he was part of "the gym club", and since we don't know if Chat Noir existed in this concept he probably wasn't Chat Noir. I don't think there's any information on this era in the Ladybug Artbook, all I could find was the picture above and a page on the Miraculous Wiki.

However, I've managed to find some more information:

As well as Zagtoon and Method Animation (who are involved with the production of modern-day Miraculous), Univergroup Pictures (later known as Zagtoon Pictures) and Onyx Films were also involved in production.

Some sources say the film was going to have a budget of 50 million Euros (about 53 million dollars), others say it would have been 50 million dollars

There's also this picture:

Who is Gorgeous Nathan from the Gym Club?

Actually, what's in the image above is actually all the information we have on him!

In terms of fanon, however, he is usually depicted as Felix's older brother. He's also usually depicted as a jock stereotype, but much more agressive. If you take all the bad traits of pre-canon Felix/ Chat Noir and mix them together, you get Nathan. To add to that, he's usually depicted as being very popular among girls.

Also, yes, he is pre-felix :)

Is he Felix's prototype?

Probably! But, as mentioned before, since the image above is all the canon information we'll probably ever get about him, it's impossible to know.

Do you have any ideas or headcanons about Nathan or any theories?

A personal headcanon of mine is that he was a previous Chat Noir and went through some pretty traumatic things, which causes him to lash out at people.

Also, he does boxing.

Do you know anything else about this Nathan?

Sorry, this is all the information I could find :)

Was he a Chat Noir from The Mini Menace?

Maybe yes, maybe no. Honestly, I have no idea.

Did the Chat Noir from The Mini Menace have no name?

This depends on which Mini Menace we're talking about!

This is the first appearance of Chat Noir ever, in the original, hand-drawn 2005 Mini Menace covers. The only information we have about him is that he's (probably) an adult. This isn't even officially confirmed, it's just based on evidence from other Mini Menace covers. As such, this Chat Noir has no name.

This version of The Mini Menace is the most unknown phase of development of Miraculous. As such, there is no information on this Chat Noir (though he does look a lot younger than the original Chat Noir). However, there is actually some fanon for him!

This is Niklaus (or Niko), Felix's uncle and a previous Chat Noir. He is often portrayed as being quite flirtatious and catty and has a habit of calling people "darling". He's also gay. This is pretty much all the fanon for him, though

Sorry this answer ended up being quite long :)

[sallertiacallidus]

End of Spring for Alina, maybe I Don't Know You Anymore for Nathan? Whichever sparks joy, doesn't have to be both

Oh, I had reblogged it here on main for safe-keeping (I reblog on my artblog when I’m asking for prompts) but it did spark joy, so here!

[bitsandbobcats]

Doodles from today (the last one is Felix btw)

[mothdotz]

Uh oh

(The answer may not be the one she’s looking for)

[edgybutnotveryedgy]

Forget the transition of Felix to Adrien. I'm more curious about the transition of

Gorgeous Nathan from Gym Club (tm)

To

✨Felix "it's not like I like you, baka!" Sphinx✨

[hyper-tense]

haha I’m not sorry.

Just a little thing I drew about Nathan. Yeah, I like the whole Nathan is a certified son of a g bit, but I can’t help but jump on the little brother AUs. I can’t control myself. so…

sorry, not sorry.

[taldigi]

How many Felixes are there in the Lady Bug universe?! What is the difference between Felix Agreste from Lady Bug PV and Felix Sphinx? did they have different characters and personalities? How are they different and how are they similar? Was Felix always a morally gray character (anti-hero/anti-villain) or is there still a version where he was an antagonist, sociopath or Marinette's arch rival?

LOl ok slow down.

Maybe in mini-menace there might have been a rivalry. Chat is only present in one cover, and another cover where he is implied to be hunting ladybug via the black cat and ladybug.

However, My favorite idea is that chat noir may be the detective investigating Ladybug for her vigilantism and/or involvement in the gang involved in the murder of her parents.

Since then, Chat noir was always designed to be her partner.

even if that "partnership" is less than ideal on Marinette's (Or Nathan, as I like to call this version of Chat) part. This dynamic was phased out pretty quickly, about the end of the QK phase of development.

There is no "Felix Agreste" the PV "Felix" is actually Adrien Nanty. (Felix Nanty, if you want to stick the felix name.) His father was actually a hotel baron (think chloe's dad sans the mayorship) and his mother was present and doting, especially due to his disability. (That whole narrative is really ableist and deserves its own breakdown) And he's actually quite sweet, as depicted in a ton of the bibles as thinking fondly of Marinette and turning to her for advice quite frequently. He's also depicted as wanting to be a doctor, so he funnels all his free time into studying. (Which is most likely what he was doing in the library during PV)

Not to say that his name was never "Felix", because it was. But by the time PV rolled around, his name had been changed to Adrien.

Felix Sphinx is the idea that If Adrien -> Gabriel, than Felix -> Richard. And Richard Sphinx -> Felix Sphinx. He's an interesting villain who fills that shitty father role way better than Gabriel. (who was actually really pompous and silly in his first incarnation after they phased out Richard)

How many Felixes are there in the Lady Bug universe?

One at a time. Be it Nathan, Adrien, or Felix himself. The character went through tons of development. Felix Fathom is not a "Felix" because he is not Chat Noir. He is a new character, original to the series like Kagami and Luka.

What is the difference between Felix Agreste from Lady Bug PV and Felix Sphinx?

Agreste's dad is Gabriel, Sphinx' Dad is Richard Sphinx. PV Felix' parents are not shown, but it is most likely he is Adrien Nanty, who's parents are alive, not evil, and own a hotel. However, since the identity of Papillon is kept a mystery in all media (including Canon for a time) it is possible that pv Felix is Sphinx. But the characters are similar enough that it could be interchangeable. Who knows.

did they have different characters and personalities? How are they different and how are they similar?

Yes. But not in the way you think. Nanty and Sphinx liked Marinette. Nathan found her annoying. Adrien did not have an opinion on her for a long time- (esp if we are to base it all on episode 1/introducing the characters, Adrien was indifferent and distant)

Was Felix always a morally gray character (anti-hero/anti-villain) or is there still a version where he was an antagonist, sociopath or Marinette's arch rival?

Err... Morally grey, maybe in QK stuff and canon. Where he aims for ladybugs affection instead of being a hero. Antagonist maybe in Mini Menace. But sociopath? Canon maybe. Adrien frequently throws tantrums and threatens people, is viciously jealous, and has threatened and blackmailed plagg at least three times (remember kuro neko where feeling left out > his relationship with Plagg) but, again, PV era Felix/Adrien isn't an asshole or a jerk. He just has teenage angst and suffers from the twilight sparkle disease of "stop studying, make some friends, and touch grass" jfc.

Look, I know people are super ride or die on "cursed ring needs a kiss" stuff but there is more evidence to the contrary. The artbook is a great resource, but it was made by another company, and the curse is never mentioned anywhere else. I don't doubt that there was a phase where they did consider it, but it vanished so quickly that it was mentioned only once and then disappeared. Yet nobody uses other details like.. him wanting to be a doctor... Or his boxing... Or him being super into art... Or even his love of BMX. Yeah.

Anyway. Hope this helps.

[drazillion]

Drawfee Tarot Analysis with Draz

Nathan Past - The Sun / Present - Strength

The Sun is a card of unbridled positivity and optimism. When you see it upright in a reading, it is always a good sign. But it's also a card that's often unrealistic and naive. Other cards come with warnings, but the Sun does not.

Strength reminds us that physical force is one manifestation of power. Emotional strength is equally as important. The maiden has tamed the lion with her kindness and compassion, not by besting it in a fight. Still, it is important to remember that on this card, both maiden and lion share the mantle of Strength. It is both of them, not one or the other.

Both largely positive cards, the Sun and Strength embolden each other.

In regards to Nathan in particular, I have to point out the similarities of Nathan's 2024 avatar and the duality of the maiden and the lion. Nathan is perhaps best known for his kindness and warmth, qualities exemplified by the sun, but ignoring the wide spectrum of his feelings is like ignoring the lion. Personally, I admire him for his ability to keep his optimism and his bitterness and rage in balance.

Therefore, in a sense, Nathan's cards represent his increasing willingness to share his more negative frustrations, while never losing sight of the light of the sun.

Jacob Past - The Fool / Present - The Chariot

The Fool is unique in that it is the 0th Major Arcana. The Fool is unbound by numbers, by order. The Fool is potential incarnate, inviting us to leap towards the future and seize the day. The Fool does not care about plans, preferring to deal with each new situation as they arise.

In comparison, the Chariot is a focused force with a goal in mind and with the confidence to see it through. The two sphinxes that drive the chariot represent opposing desires, but upright the charioteer is able to get the sphinxes to move forward together through sheer willpower alone.

Together, they are a confident duo encouraging forward momentum. The Chariot reins in the Fool's more reckless aspects while the Fool reminds the Chariot to still have fun along the journey and that keeping plans flexible is important.

These two cards clearly represent Jacob's journey since Drawfee became independent. While his role as episode and stream host (in particular trying to get everyone through the intro) is the most obvious, this also includes his role as content strategist. His analytical side is where his Chariot aspects shine brightest. In addition, the Fool and the Chariot combine when he makes music. When Jacob's well crafted plans fall apart, it is the Fool that comes to his rescue.

Karina Past - The Empress / Present - The Magician

Representing Mother Nature, the Empress is all about beauty and creativity. The Empress asks us to embrace qualities traditionally seen as feminine, regardless of gender. You are not weak or lesser for taking care of yourself or expressing yourself. The Empress encourages us to get in touch with our emotions, as well as the natural world.

The Magician is numbered 1 in the Major Arcana, and represents the transformation of the raw potential of the Fool into something actionable. The Magician has all the tools needed to fulfill their desires, but those tools might not necessarily look usable in their current state. The Magician must recognize this and realize the true nature of these tools.

The Empress and the Magician are both creative cards and support each other in this endeavor, provided that the querent (person the card reading is about) takes initiative.

Though both cards symbolize Karina's journey these past four years, it is no surprise that the Magician is one of them, with the creation of Sonny Mama and other mixed media creations in the past year. Nothing exemplifies the Magician more than literally using things like a log and a brick as part of a sculpture. The Empress's presence is subtler though the numerous plants that live in Karina's apartment give it away.

Julia Past - The Tower / Present - The Emperor

Due to its name, Death is often seen as the "worst" Major Arcana card. It's not. That distinction goes to the Tower (though the "worst" tarot card overall goes to the Ten of Swords). The Tower is sudden upheaval, is destruction, is disaster. Yet even so, the Tower is not an unredeemable card. Far from it. Sometimes a situation is so bad the only way to end it is to obliterate it. Sometimes the old must be destroyed to give way for the new. The Tower does not give us the tools to rebuild, that is something we have to do on our own, but it does show us that it is possible to build something better from the rubble.

The Emperor represents an authoritative figure who enforces structure in an otherwise chaotic world. Equally, the Emperor is a strategist who keeps in mind the needs of others when making decisions. The Emperor is also a protector, shouldering burdens so that others don't have to.

It can be easy to think of these two cards as complete opposites. In reality, this means they are both sides of the same coin. If the Tower is destruction of the old paradigm, then the Emperor is the establishment of the new.

The Collegehumor Layoffs exemplify the idea of the Tower. An established workplace that came crashing down. And Julia, the Emperor, rose up to the challenge of dealing with all the paperwork that would eventually lead to Drawfee's independence. Four years later, Drawfee still benefits from the work Julia did, not to mention the fact that she continues to deal with everything finance related in regards to the company. Not to mention all of the other tasks Julia takes on. While all five members of Drawfee are essential, it would be safe to say Drawfee would be unable to exist in its current form without Julia.

[sallertiafabrica]

faeries and their wishmakers

[creator-yimynany]

Forms, all old canon characters.

In order:

Bridgette Cheng, Felix Agreste, Allegra Baudelaire, Nathan Sphinx, Claude Savard, Juliette Cheng, Flora Melody and Marietta Cheng.

[basu-shokikita]

if dethklok were cats, what kind of cats would they be (asking as someone who doesn’t know anything about the different breeds of cats except for sphinx cats)

really good question!

to start off, my default for skwisgaar and toki is norwegian forest cats because duh. i mean imagine skwisgaar and toki as fluffy kitty cats. so cute

skwisgaar

toki

alternatively, i also like toki as a tabby brown cat because there’s smth so important to me about all dethklok being breed cats while toki is a random stray

for murderface i have a soft spot for scottish folds. tell me i’m not the only one seeing this vision

exotic shorthairs are also a fun option!

nathan is obviously a bombay i mean look how handsome and shiny. perfect

i have not found a cat i’m satisfied with for pickles except this stoner sphynx my friend sent me. you’re welcome btw

[688199]

Ladybug PV led to the creation of Null Era + other things: A theory re-evaluating the pre-production of Miraculous Ladybug

ah yes, the famous pv, with an alternative marinette that’s confident and an aloof cat boy called felix. yet, even though they seem to be based on null era, why are they still so different from their null era counterparts?

there were a lot of holes in timeline regarding the production, things that made no sense if it was sequenced that way. but when i started to see it this way, i think it solves some questions i had.

(i apologise for the messiness of all the ideas as i am just rambling)

so here’s my theory, as well as the reasons why i think so:

ladybug pv laid out the groundwork for null era. like such:

(first image represents the era in which marinette was confident, and nathan existed. for lack of a better term, i’ll refer it to the 2010 era.)

seems like toei was only given “2010” material to work with, and thus came up with the pv. this explains why alina, adoni, the bodyguards, null doesn’t show up. oh and why bridgette bug uses martial arts instead of weapons.

if anything, the pv isn’t based on null era, it’s based on the 2010.

looks to me like the pv expanded on the 2010 ideas by astruc

and the development team liked it so they expanded on the ideas even further into null era which explains actions shown in the pv, such as richard destroying the world because he’s power hungry.

bridgette’s design seems to be heavily based on this artwork specifically. long hair, same shorts and same shoes. except her top outfit, which seems to be from this right image, created even earlier.

her personality as well is obviously not shy. she’s much like the 2010 marinette rather than the null era.

now let’s talk about felix.

felix sphinx, on the other hand, has right swept bangs like in the pv, different from many other “felix-like” artworks that showcase nathan/ felix with left swept bangs.

if felix sphinx was based on the pv, the difference in their personalities makes much more sense. why pv is portrayed as being annoyed with bridgette, however not in the same degree as astruc’s nathan version. most likely while creating null era, the team further toned down on the annoyed aspect and heightened his nerd side to create who we know as felix sphinx.

not to mention, the pv is also the only media that depicts felix with being studious (books), other than the july 2012 bible.

now take a look at these, which i believe are all based on the image on their left.

2010->PV->Null Era

i used to think the right image inspired the middle image, but now arranging it this way makes more sense to me.

in terms of how everything actually went down:

i think that there were on going discussions on how astruc’s original “2010” concept could be altered during 2010-2012. many ideas were being brought up then scraped such as (the later part of) mini menace, quantic kids, etc, leading to an influx of art and ideas tossed around during this time, especially during 2012.

before toei officially became the co-producer, i think toei brought up the possibility that it could be 2d animation, then created the pv using the original astruc concept, of course with their own ideas tossed in (like how another producer wanted quantic kids). the proposal for 2d was rejected in the end, but i think they wanted to explore toei’s ideas, thus leading to the creation of null era.

rather than see it as a linear progression with a lot of mixing in between “eras” which is how i saw it in the past, the development should be seen as a centre (2010) being branched out into multiple ideas all scattered around the place. each era/ version is just the team mixing and matching elements that they like, and going forward with whatever fits best + goes through the approval of sponsors and producers. this leads to why chat noir was officially confirmed to be called felix during september 2012 while he’s called adrien in the first bible, why quantic kids appeared in the super lady luck game, why the pv and the bible, which differed greatly in ideas, existed during the same time (it’s also possible pv was made much much earlier than the date it was put onto youtube).

okay i should shut up now. this is what i think basically.

lol.

[mothdotz]

Slams messy (and smudged) sketchbook art on table.

I have no explanation for these except

1. I have been and still am rotating a (self-indulgent) rewrite for MLB in my mind 2. These drawings vaguely relate to that rewrite 3. (Vague Noises)

I have no idea what time these things were drawn— excluding the last five since I drew those today—because I am that artist that does not date their sketchbook (oops).