#naive leftists

[the-garbanzo-annex-jr]

[bloodhailmp3]

met an american trump supporter tonight and felt like i was going insane talking to him. he said he likes trump bc "he is intelligent and doesnt put up a facade. he tells it like it is. hes trying to stamp out corruption" . also said that things were better under trumps presidency bc "everything was cheaper" ..... idk how true that is tho i havent rlly heard anyone say anything abt that

[lamafeeling]

Nothing a liberal hates more than a leftist

[malewife-darkling]

I think the worst thing Abt 2024 is that I'm excited for Kamala Harris presidency

[newreputations]

Okay, but we need more agents. We need more judges. We need better, humane infrastructure at the border. We need more resources across the board when it comes to immigration. There are more people seeking a life here than there are people to help facilitate that. Border agents are a necessary part of that system.

[radiumbath]

it bothers me so much the amount of bizarre conditional feminization i’ve felt and seen directed towards others from certain transmasc peers i share like 90% of my gender experiences with :( coming off as annoying or naive or whatever doesn’t make a person a Woman

[anexperimentallife]

Project 2025 would ban anything the far right considers pornography. The far right considers anything queer-positive to be pornography, and they WILL encode that into law if given just a TINY bit more power.

Have queer fanfic (or trad published literature) or pics of your transition, or of two men kissing, saved to your hard drive? If the GOP get their way, you'd be guilty of possession of pornography. Did you share any of it? You'd be guilty of distribution of pornography. Have a sweet coming of age story with a queer protagonist? That'd be child pornography.

Even now, states are trying to make it a crime to be openly queer in public (by, among other things, classifying dressing as the "wrong gender" anyplace kids might see as a sex crime against children). Oh, and Florida tried (and thankfully failed) to impose the death penalty for the above.

This is just one example of the horrors awaiting us if the project comes to fruition.

And the far right is already screaming that any adult who mentions around kids that queer people exist is "grooming" children. Wear your Pride shirt past a playground? You're now a child groomer. Think they won't put that into law if allowed? You're naive.

The GOP currently controls the Supreme Court (which is how they overturned Roe v. Wade) and has a majority in one branch of congress. Imagine what will happen nationwide with the GOP controlling every branch of government, including supermajoroties in both houses of Congress.

Oh, and top GOP officials have also announced their desire to NUKE Gaza, so don't come at me with, "but I can't vote blue because Biden..." Or tell me how you think Gaza would somehow be better off with Trump and the GOP.

In France, the left and center joined together--even though they disagree vehemently on many issues (get two leftists together and they'll have three positions on any issue)--to stop the far right from totally taking over, because the one thing they ALL agree on is that fascists dictatorships are BAD.

Much the same with the UK finally kicking out their own neo-fascist party, the Torries, to install 400 Labour MPs. Not everyone loves Labour's policies, but virtually everyone with a brain cell recognizes that the Torries are fascists, and that FASCISM BAD.

"Every election, they tell us this is the most important election if our lives!" Yeah, because each election over the past several decades has been more important than the one before, until we are now at a tipping point between remaining a fucked up oligarchy with SOME resemblance to freedom, and an outright neo-fascist military dictatorship.

Trump has literally stated publicly his intent to criminalize dissent, use US armed forces against protesters (Kent State, but multiply it by thousands), purge all agencies and stuff them with those personally loyal to him, and use the DOJ to go after anyone he perceives as a threat to his political power, among other things.

And remember the things he did in office, like pulling the teeth of federal workplace protections for queer folks (which Biden reatored).

I don't care if you don't like Biden or Harris. Neither do I. But the alternative is Trump, and anyone telling you not to vote in 2024, or to vote third party, is rooting for Trump, and for Project 2025. Anyone telling you not to vote does not give one single solitary flying fuck about vulnerable populations in the US or anywhere else in the world.

"You're just being an alarmist!" Right. Like I was being alarmist when I predicted the failed Jan 6 coup attempt. Like I was being alarmist when I said the GOP would try to use control over SCOTUS to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Fucking vote.

[electronicdelusionstarlight]

Ok so let me get this straight.

Marvel Comics had Doctor Doom take over the world and implement a series of popular, really effective leftist policies on a global scale.

Like everyone focuses on the US getting free healthcare how about all the african counties who just got "plows, dams, drills, fertilizer etc etc"?

As this happens we find out that Doom has also murdered every single high ranking Nazi in the world, and replaced one of them with a Doombot so he can use it to rehabilitate Hydra out of being Nazis and into building, like, fucking hospitals or something.

Ok you're following me till now right?

Why the fuck did Marvel Comics decide to have the BRIGHT IDEA of writing, in THIS ORDER:

A) Tony Stark crying histrionics over all these dead nazis and the sanctity of human life.

B) Tony Stark decide to tell the world Doom actually did the heinous crime of "killed red skull and all the other nazis while riding a T-Rex," knowing full well that's gona get all the not yet reformed Hydra soldiers currently engaged in BUILDING HOSPITALS IN MINORITY COMMUNITIES in a rage, cause an escalation in Hate Crimes.

C) Have any member of the broader public being glad Doom killed the fucking nazis be depicted as naive or misguided in some real "Copaganda show special episode about Luigi Mangione" way.

D) and After ALL OF THAT, and I wish I was joking, have Tony Stark start ARMING AND FUNDING literal NAZIS to act as Contras fighting against Doom's heinous policies of free healthcare, free education, and no genocide.

I repeat.

As of right now, in marvel comics, the designated villain of the current mega arc pushing for popular American and worldwide leftist policies fighting against a tech billionaire actively funding and arming literal fucking in universe NAZIS to dethrone him.

Next up they (EDIT: By they I mean Tony Stark and the other heroes) are literally about to team up with the Masters of Evil, among their Members being MODOK, which not many people may know was one of the people responsible for the recent Mutant Genocide.

This is either the most blatant and heinous piece of american propaganda known to man or one of the most unintentional critique of American Foreign Policy when any leftist takes power anywhere and threatens their bottom line.

Maybe both.

Anyway Tony Stark is working with Nazis so he can take away people healthcare now in the comics, right in the middle of this political environment, send post.

[thesevenstarfoxes]

Sometimes I see a post written by a Jew, emphasizing that they're Jewish, on some leftist topic, look at the notes, and think, God, they really only care about us when we're useful to them and agree with them. And then my day is ruined and I can't forget that a post about swastikas drawn on pictures of dead Jewish babies gets 100 notes in total and they're all from Jews, but a post about Elon Musk being a Nazi gets tens of thousands of notes. Do you really think we're that naive? Do you really think we don't notice this hypocrisy? Do you really think you're better than your ancestors, who only loved Jews when they were playing nice and let them slaughter them without saying a word? For me to believe you're a good person, you have to be anti-homophobic, anti-transphobic, anti-racist, anti-misogyny, anti-abuse, and anti-antisemitism. You can't be five of those and completely forget the sixth.

[a-very-tired-jew]

You know the saying about a stopped clock and all that? Ashley Rindsberg has an article that does just that for Pirateswire.

For the uninitiated, there has been a concerted effort across various social media platforms to disseminate and normalize terrorist propaganda and rhetoric. This comes from a core group of people who are moderators for multiple subreddits that are seemingly unrelated to Israel and Palestine but have all suddenly become very (((anti-Zionist))). These moderators all stem from one called r/Palestine and have a Discord server where they coordinate brigades, misinformation campaigns, and attacks across different platforms and subreddits.

This is what their Discord looks like.

You can clearly see they have actual "taskforces" for spreading their rhetoric across various sites and platforms. The irony here is that they often accuse anyone who speaks out against them of being a "paid Israeli propagandist spreading Hasbara", but here we clearly see they're organized to spread their own misinformation.

Here is a photo of their call to brigade some posts.

What is important to note is that they're getting a lot of their information from Resistance News Network (RNN). RNN is something I have talked about before when I covered Dropout's Palestine channel in their Discord server and how people were pushing it as a source of information. RNN is a telegram channel that collects and aggregates information and content from recognized terrorist groups and spreads it. This is not done in a neutral "this is what they're saying" but in a "we support this" manner. Here is a list of the channels they aggregate from:

RNN has repeatedly and clearly made its stance clear that it sees violent terrorism as a justifiable means of "resistance", even when that "resistance" targets civilians and is laced with violent bigoted rhetoric that these supposed Leftists object to. In fact, RNN is actually associated with known terrorist fronts like Samidoun and is clearly misleading Leftists in its narrative that it supports "resistance" and whatever that means to Westerners.

It doesn't.

It supports violent extremist ideology that results in terrorism. Not resistance or revolution. But I've talked about how many of these terrorist groups are purposefully misleading naive Westerners and have been for decades. I've talked about how this has been the game plan for years and we have actual confirmation of this from a meeting that took place in Philadelphia due to FBI wiretaps.

I would not be surprised if we found that members of this misinformation network, as Rindsberg calls it, are active on here Tumblr as well. Considering the number of accounts that justify the actions of these terrorist groups and their rhetoric, pretend to be Jewish and justify violent antisemitism, and spread misinformation...well it seems more than likely. They're across multiple platforms, and if they're on the likes of Quora then they're definitely here as well.

So when jumblr calls out specific accounts for not actually being Jewish and spreading antisemitic rhetoric and terrorist propaganda then you should stop and consider that there is actual precedent for this. It's actively happening and you, the goy, who are calling Jews "Nazis" are actively falling for it.

[imsiriuslyreading]

being a POC in the Marauders/HP fandom is really interesting to me because it seems and feels like a really predominantly white space, which, hey, nothing new! and that does come with some challenges. for the most part, they're fairly under the radar.

it's things like being able to count the POC in a discord server on one hand, even though there's 100+ people in the community.

it's people not taking into account racial dynamics whether that be in a fic, or in a tiktok, tumblr, whatever. there are innate power imbalances in our society (regardless of what country you live in) and to assume because this fandom is a largely open, liberal and leftist space, that they don't carry over to fandom, is exceptionally naive. buuuuut, we live and learn, so people can and should be given a certain amount of grace. but what is unforgivable is to have them pointed out to you and for you to dismiss, ignore or belittle them. Not only that, but you as a white person, do not get to be the forgiving voice to another white person when they make one of these mistakes. please please please respect and understand that.

there's also (and i'm sorry if this is controversial and frankly it makes me really nervous to even write this), a trend of assigning ethnicities, cultures and races to characters in stories without having a proper understanding of them, or having a particular reason for doing so. I'm never going to sit here and say "you as a white person shouldn't write about ____ race!", because I don't believe that. but what I would really, really love to see, is for white creators and writers to ask themselves some questions beforehand:

what does the race of this character add to the story outside of me chasing clout with a particular group of people/is it necessary for me to be writing the lived experience of a culture/ethnicity I've never taken the time to learn about?

if so, why?

am i the right person to be doing this?

are my actions outside of my writing towards these POC reflective of this?

i also think it's really important to remember that unconscious bias is a thing, and it's really easy for us to spot in your writing if it isn't something you've addressed. Not only that, but even if you write the most well-researched POC in your fic, even if you're sharing posts about Lebanon and Palestine, none of that matters if your actions when interacting with us show us that you are indifferent to the power dynamics at play with you being a white person, often with a large audience, in this space. virtue signalling is spectacularly unhelpful if you're writing checks your ass can't cash.

that being said, I think throwing 'racist' around as a term at people who make mistakes is really unhelpful. because every situation has context and nuance, and dogpiling never helps anybody. there are opportunities for learning, developing and understanding here. but please remember, if a POC tells you something is upsetting, harmful or offensive - even if other POC haven't said that to you - it's not your place as a white person to dismiss that.

anyway, hope that helps, love u very much xo

[witchyam]

if any. any leftist didnt vote or voted for a third party because they think it is moral to not vote for kamala. i hope you know that you still killed people. there is blood on your hands too. blood of women. blood of trans people. blood of immigrants. blood of pocs. blood of every single student that dies in the school shootings. blood of queers. you are not moral. you are not moral.

and guess what? you didnt do anything for the genocide. trump isnt gonna do shit for palestine. you are stupid and naive and the next four years you WILL carry the shame of your sham country

[pleasehavepolitics]

I still keep seeing leftists (likely former democrats) saying they're sick of hearing about trump and politics and will block people posting about it. They are often the same people who could not stop talking shit about how it's too late, voting won't actually solve things and people who tell you to vote are soooo naive and Democrats suck and Kamala is Hitler and burn it all down and we just need more Luigi murder guys to start a revolution and solve eVeRYthiNg! These are grownass people who apparently got their brains cooked on tiktok and insta "protest" feeds who likely influenced plenty of less informed younger folks on tumblr with their "it's so naive to like the democrats you have to be an edgelord and hate Kamala" content and I had to watch in slow motion while they absolutely screwed themselves and the world. I'm so sorry you don't want to see trump's face now. Maybe it reminds you that you got played by a bunch of online algorithms about being a cool revolutionary and couldn't think ahead a month or two or be "cringe" enough to give democrats some power to prevent a dictatorship?

[queer-scots-geordie-dyke]

I've said this before but it does bear repeating - I've always known antisemitism existed, of course - in a standard goy, frankly naive, "this doesn't really affect me" way. I learned about the Holocaust in school, always been pretty aware of the double standards surrounding Israel, but I was also certain I knew I wasn't antisemitic, so didn't give it much thought. Until the last few months.

I started doing a lot of reading and learning and listening to Jewish voices in the wake of my disgust at the overall leftist reaction to Oct. 7 and I have been bowled over and utterly appalled at the sheer scale and insidiousness of the way antisemitism is baked into the very foundations of Western society. As a goy I would have sworn upside down I'd never had an antisemitic thought or belief in my life. And while consciously that may certainly be true, the process of unlearning centuries of unconscious extremely prevalent prejudice is not a straightforward one and the only way to do it in good faith is listen and learn.

That's why I do not trust fellow goyim who are so adamant that they know exactly what antisemitism is and isn't and know for a fact that they aren't - because the deeply insidious nature and long, long history of antisemitism means it is almost impossible to live and grow up in Western society (obviously antisemitism exists elsewhere but as a Westerner that's the experience I'm talking to) without being influenced in some way by it.

If a Jewish person tells you you are being antisemitic, sit down, shut up, swallow your pride and your indignation, and LISTEN AND LEARN.

[ladyimaginarium]

what's literally so insane & what makes me so sad is that. maybe this is just me being naive but if everybody both online & irl just said "ceasefire, don't fucking bomb civilians, bring the hostages on both sides back home" genuinely i think a lot more lives would've been saved but SO MANY PEOPLE were straight up being antisemitic & islamophobic on both sides of the spectrum that we couldn't fucking work on the task at hand which should've been freeing palestinians & ending the occupation & bringing everyone back to their families from the start. like when i first saw the college protests i was genuinely confused on. why the two camps couldn't cooperate bc like you'd Think that'd inherently go hand in hand? like you'd Think that people would bond over losing loved ones? now obviously there were peaceful protests & im honored to be quite literally the only one in my extremely rural area to have raised awareness for it even when i was upset that my poster was taken down the day after but. so many people just straight up swan dived into antisemitism & islamophobia & conspiracy theories & racism & atrocity denial & terrorism apologia on either side & screaming at each other & attacking each other & literal fucking pogroms. i kid y'all tf not in my experience palestinian & jewish led organizations who were actually from the region cooperated better than most western leftist groups did from what i see. & online there's constant antipalestinian racism & in my experience antisemitism is RAMPANT. like so many people were & still are fucking OBSESSED w/ jews (& not in a good way). like. if we all worked together from the start both irl & on the ground & the human rights organizations like the un & amnesty by saying end the war, end the occupation, don't fucking bomb civilians, release all hostages & political prisoners & both netenyahu & hamas step down from october 8th from the fucking start maybe things would be different & so many people might still be alive. genuinely it's actually insane to think about.

[germiyahu]

My fellow liberals, there are only a few courses of action that you can take in this political climate, in the wider context of Mahmoud Khalil's detainment. If you find Trump's and the Republican Party's rhetoric about combatting antisemitism to be hollow, and you find their targeting of pro-Palestinian agitators (who easily could be charged with federal crimes, just saying) unacceptable, then in my (admittedly limited) understanding, you can do one of three things:

Disengage from these universities and other predominantly non-Jewish, and especially vocally anti-Israel/anti-Hillel/anti-Jewish spaces. Whether that's evacuating from hostile universities, withdrawing from non-Jewish spaces in general, what have you. You could also arm yourselves. Or, the hail Mary, you can give up on America and move to Israel. Essentially, you can ignore the antisemities and leave them to their own devices, knowing that nothing will change.

Tacitly make peace with civil liberties being eroded by an illiberal government who at least pays lip service to fighting antisemitism. Do the conservatives have ulterior motives? Absolutely. Are they using the Jewish Community as a fall guy? Probably. Will they continue to do nothing to purge their own side of the aisle of their own antisemites? Don't make me laugh. But do their actions actually tackle a growing problem that is harassing and even assaulting Jews? That is attacking Jewish institutions and places of worship? Yes, they are.

Sit and twiddle your thumbs as your traditional "allies" do literally nothing, whether that's "Leftists," non-Jewish liberals, the Democratic Party, etc. Because they've been doing nothing. If you're not comfortable with options 1 or 2, this is the only realistic option left. Continue to put faith in institutions that are saying increasingly loudly that they simply do not care about you.

I personally don't like any of these options. Throwing up your hands and giving up on changing hearts and minds feels defeatist. Creating your own institutions to protect Jews will be seen as aggressive and will be punished by both sides of the aisle. Making Aliyah is difficult and will only weaken the Jewish Community in America. Leaning on fascists who claim to want to help is morally untenable and dangerous, as so many in Jumblr are pointing out. But the only other path forward is to sit idly by and continue to put your faith in the status quo, and in non-Jewish institutions that have proven they're not willing to lift a finger to help Jews.

The Islamists have no intention of changing their views. The Marxist-Leninists and Anarchists and Maoists and the broader Rose and Red Triangle emoji Left have no intention of changing their views. The Nazis and Christian Nationalists have no intention of changing their views. So what is the course of action? Either trust in institutions that are objectively failing the Jewish Community, look to literal fascists who will cause more harm to everyone as they pay lip service to safeguarding Jews, or give up on the system entirely.

I don't begrudge Jews who decide to (at least temporarily) place their trust in Donald Trump and his kakistocracy. Because we as liberals have to admit, liberal institutions are objectively doing nothing and will continue to do nothing. The Democratic Party and the university system has failed. They will continue to say "We are against antisemitism and islamophobia and all forms of hate," they will continue to frame violent Jew hating terrorist sympathizers as the real victims and absolve themselves of actually coming to terms with the antisemitism in their party and their boards. You can absolutely make a moral line in the sand. You can say "I don't want to empower ICE to disappear legal U.S. residents even if its supposedly to help Jews like me!" but you have to be aware that nobody else is doing anything to help Jews like you. And they're currently not likely to.

So what do you do? You can naively hope that Trump genuinely intends to help Jews and make peace with his continual eroding of norms and values and the Constitution itself. You can naively hope that the Democrats will suddenly and magically decide to help their heretofore extremely loyal base and make peace with their continual failure to do so. You can disengage with the system altogether and start creating and enforcing Jewish-centric or even Jewish-only spaces in all avenues of life (or above all, flee to Israel), and naively hope that you won't be smeared as a bigot or a threat for doing so.

There are no good or easy solutions here.