#naive leftists

[the-garbanzo-annex-jr]

[vintageseawitch]

this is what i think of when third party voters go around acting morally superior because they don't want to get their hands dirty like the rest of us. they're toddlers having temper tantrums because instead of using the system in a way that could benefit them in the long term like the extremist Republicans have been doing for decades, third party voters refuse to participate in local civics & then claim the entire country is already fascist. they're so cute in their naivety if they think the US can't get any worse.

what the fuck do you think will happen if you try to protest against a government with a military as massive, lethal, & expensive as ours. who do you think will be sacrificed first? oh what's that? crickets? thought so. i'm a white woman but i will absolutely use my voice to point out leftists can be racist as fuck & the anti-blackness in your spaces can be absolutely fucking wild. not everyone leftist is white, but many that are can be pretty problematic.

if you think i'm selfish then fine. if you state that you would gladly exchange my life for a Palestinian like one of you said in a comment to me a few weeks ago then fine. i'm out here fighting to make sure the people who live here in this country don't experience our own Holocaust.

if you have a problem with people wanting to fight this while claiming you're anti-genocide, you're a fucking liar & a hypocrite. you won't know what the fuck to do in a true fascist country. i don't doubt there are pockets of fascism already existing here but you thinking it's already the worst it can be is as infuriating as people who think the government is creating their massive hurricanes using weather machines. you sound just as childish & delusional. you already sound like children because you will never take responsibility for your choices if it ends up helping him win.

jill stein's campaign is a sham. she is deliberately running as a spoiler. she's a wealthy white woman who lives in a mostly white affluent neighborhood. she's going around lecturing black people about white supremacy. she is getting funds from Republicans as well as help from trump's lawyers. Lockheed Martin has given her money. she's involved in shady as fuck index funds for companies that harm the environment. she only started talking about Gaza during this election cycle to hit you in the feelings so she can bank on it. she made a whole stink about needing a recount, raised a bunch of money for that, & then that money disappeared who knows where. do you all hear this? do you care? no, you're just like maga with their orange Jesus. you don't give a FUCK about stein's red flags because she's "different."

if Harris loses & you blame anyone but yourselves, you're cowardly traitors who threw us regular Americans to the wolves because of your precious fucking principles. history has shown time & time again that protest voting typically allows something worse to take control. it's hardly ever beneficial to the people. you're vile. you don't want to make this world a better place by allowing so many near you to suffer & die. if both sides are the same then please tell me you're okay with another trump presidency. or just shut the fuck up.

i look forward to more potentially heartwarming messages saying that my life doesn't mean shit from people who allegedly are against the death penalty & are pro-human rights 🥰

please vote, don't stop talking about Project 2025, etc. i hope enough of us vote in a way that these pathetic third party voters don't gain any kind of traction. at this point i'm just angry at their hypocrisy when they don't even listen to other protestors who live here & are begging them to not vote third party. i refuse to listen to y'all not take responsibility for your part. Project 2025 will hurt us all but apparently you're okay with that or you think it's already here. smooth brain takes all around. anyways good luck & stay safe to anyone who votes blue 💙

[lgbtlunaverse]

Half the internet talking about how we just need to be more niceys to men and misogyny is the fault of mean internet feminists and the other half going "Let's try seperatism again!" I'm so tired. I want to be in community with men, especially marginalized men whose political goals align with mine, while trusting that any critique of misogyny won't immediately turn them into fascists. Is that too much to ask?

[athymelyreply]

realizing that a lot of the pro palestine people on the left don’t actually care about reducing harm or helping people or working towards a better and more peaceful future was such a disappointment.

[starlooove]

Oh. Sad

[silvaurum]

the mass death of disabled people is not sustainable or eco-friendly either.

Some people don’t want to hear this but sometimes accessibility is not sustainable or eco-friendly. Disabled people sometimes need straws, or pre-made meals in plastic containers, or single-use items. Just because you can work with your foods in their least processed and packaged form doesn’t mean everyone else can.

[vhsgrrl]

i always feel in such a weird spot because i'm an anarchist and i love listening to input from MLs because its always good to challenge your beliefs and learn more and whatnot but it feels like. they always talk down to me like im a child and i try very hard not to fall into the same pitfalls of my anarchist siblings and throw out the whole ideology altogether. like there's a lot of good wisdom and insight to be shared!!

[clowningaroundmars]

super disheartening when you find out that one of your "friends" is a staunch liberal 😔

[malewife-darkling]

I think the worst thing Abt 2024 is that I'm excited for Kamala Harris presidency

[radiumbath]

it bothers me so much the amount of bizarre conditional feminization i’ve felt and seen directed towards others from certain transmasc peers i share like 90% of my gender experiences with :( coming off as annoying or naive or whatever doesn’t make a person a Woman

[anexperimentallife]

Project 2025 would ban anything the far right considers pornography. The far right considers anything queer-positive to be pornography, and they WILL encode that into law if given just a TINY bit more power.

Have queer fanfic (or trad published literature) or pics of your transition, or of two men kissing, saved to your hard drive? If the GOP get their way, you'd be guilty of possession of pornography. Did you share any of it? You'd be guilty of distribution of pornography. Have a sweet coming of age story with a queer protagonist? That'd be child pornography.

Even now, states are trying to make it a crime to be openly queer in public (by, among other things, classifying dressing as the "wrong gender" anyplace kids might see as a sex crime against children). Oh, and Florida tried (and thankfully failed) to impose the death penalty for the above.

This is just one example of the horrors awaiting us if the project comes to fruition.

And the far right is already screaming that any adult who mentions around kids that queer people exist is "grooming" children. Wear your Pride shirt past a playground? You're now a child groomer. Think they won't put that into law if allowed? You're naive.

The GOP currently controls the Supreme Court (which is how they overturned Roe v. Wade) and has a majority in one branch of congress. Imagine what will happen nationwide with the GOP controlling every branch of government, including supermajoroties in both houses of Congress.

Oh, and top GOP officials have also announced their desire to NUKE Gaza, so don't come at me with, "but I can't vote blue because Biden..." Or tell me how you think Gaza would somehow be better off with Trump and the GOP.

In France, the left and center joined together--even though they disagree vehemently on many issues (get two leftists together and they'll have three positions on any issue)--to stop the far right from totally taking over, because the one thing they ALL agree on is that fascists dictatorships are BAD.

Much the same with the UK finally kicking out their own neo-fascist party, the Torries, to install 400 Labour MPs. Not everyone loves Labour's policies, but virtually everyone with a brain cell recognizes that the Torries are fascists, and that FASCISM BAD.

"Every election, they tell us this is the most important election if our lives!" Yeah, because each election over the past several decades has been more important than the one before, until we are now at a tipping point between remaining a fucked up oligarchy with SOME resemblance to freedom, and an outright neo-fascist military dictatorship.

Trump has literally stated publicly his intent to criminalize dissent, use US armed forces against protesters (Kent State, but multiply it by thousands), purge all agencies and stuff them with those personally loyal to him, and use the DOJ to go after anyone he perceives as a threat to his political power, among other things.

And remember the things he did in office, like pulling the teeth of federal workplace protections for queer folks (which Biden reatored).

I don't care if you don't like Biden or Harris. Neither do I. But the alternative is Trump, and anyone telling you not to vote in 2024, or to vote third party, is rooting for Trump, and for Project 2025. Anyone telling you not to vote does not give one single solitary flying fuck about vulnerable populations in the US or anywhere else in the world.

"You're just being an alarmist!" Right. Like I was being alarmist when I predicted the failed Jan 6 coup attempt. Like I was being alarmist when I said the GOP would try to use control over SCOTUS to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Fucking vote.

[lil-gingerbread-queen]

Article 1: Every man is born and lives free and equal of rights.

The moment a human makes the decision to kill another, they are not equal anymore. One is superior to others because they can end their right to live and freedom to live, one is inferior to others because they

Also, about the state, y'all need to open a history book and see how much states abuse the death penalty and laws to punish people. Gouvernments LOVE to label as "rapists" people they don't like. Example: June 1848 in France, the gov labelled the workers protesting against the gov "rapists" to freely kill them without consequences, or, Israel labelling Palestinians as "rapists" to justify their genocide. I see leftists being like "they should punish pedophilia with the death penalty", and all I think is "darling, they will target and kill queer people".

some of yall don't understand what human rights mean and it is legitimately worrying how some of you think that if a person is 'bad' enough they should have their human rights taken away

[witchyam]

if any. any leftist didnt vote or voted for a third party because they think it is moral to not vote for kamala. i hope you know that you still killed people. there is blood on your hands too. blood of women. blood of trans people. blood of immigrants. blood of pocs. blood of every single student that dies in the school shootings. blood of queers. you are not moral. you are not moral.

and guess what? you didnt do anything for the genocide. trump isnt gonna do shit for palestine. you are stupid and naive and the next four years you WILL carry the shame of your sham country

[wiisagi-maiingan]

People need to do some goddamn research on how sexual assault accusations are leveraged against marginalized communities, particularly black men and queer people, and how often people are sentenced to detah over crimes they didn't commit.

Grown adults CANNOT be sitting here talking about how a new death penalty policy is good because it's only against people who rape children and those people deserve to die. Like are you hearing yourselves right now? Are you fucking serious? Are you so blinded by your emotional responses and revenge fantasies that you can't comprehend how horrific these sorts of policies really are and how they're used as weapons to kill the people the state doesn't want to exist?

I'm legit seeing people saying that there's no way those sorts of laws would be used against trans people and I just. You cannot be this naive. You CAN'T. You cannot seriously be so ignorant of the realities of the death penalty to serously sit here and defend it while still calling yourself a leftist. I am going to claw my own skin off.

[queer-geordie-nerd]

I've said this before but it does bear repeating - I've always known antisemitism existed, of course - in a standard goy, frankly naive, "this doesn't really affect me" way. I learned about the Holocaust in school, always been pretty aware of the double standards surrounding Israel, but I was also certain I knew I wasn't antisemitic, so didn't give it much thought. Until the last few months.

I started doing a lot of reading and learning and listening to Jewish voices in the wake of my disgust at the overall leftist reaction to Oct. 7 and I have been bowled over and utterly appalled at the sheer scale and insidiousness of the way antisemitism is baked into the very foundations of Western society. As a goy I would have sworn upside down I'd never had an antisemitic thought or belief in my life. And while consciously that may certainly be true, the process of unlearning centuries of unconscious extremely prevalent prejudice is not a straightforward one and the only way to do it in good faith is listen and learn.

That's why I do not trust fellow goyim who are so adamant that they know exactly what antisemitism is and isn't and know for a fact that they aren't - because the deeply insidious nature and long, long history of antisemitism means it is almost impossible to live and grow up in Western society (obviously antisemitism exists elsewhere but as a Westerner that's the experience I'm talking to) without being influenced in some way by it.

If a Jewish person tells you you are being antisemitic, sit down, shut up, swallow your pride and your indignation, and LISTEN AND LEARN.

[amethystineprose]

If by “ran a better campaign” you mean “lied always instead of just sometimes,” then, yeah. (And, no, I’m not dissing Hilary by saying she [and her team, and the national committees] lied sometimes or even a lot. Politicians do that, and they have to, and I’m an adult and I know how to sift out the truth and decide whether I think the untruth is acceptable.)

One of the most obnoxious problems with discussing presidential elections in America is that there are a lot of Democrats who believe that whatever weird swagless homonculus they put before us should win in a landslide because they're the good guys, and they get very angry when they lose and will not listen to ideas like "nominate a better candidate next time" or "run a better campaign next time" or "maybe stop ratfucking your most popular candidate next time."