#naamah

[valentinemesis]

capitulate to pleasure

[jollmaster]

design trivia: Naamah

° the third of four wives by seniority, but the fourth is actually

° Adam's great(n times)-granddaughter on Cain's side, so technically Lucifer is also his grandson-in-law

° bright red hair

° likes to wear jewelry

° worshipped lesser deities and spirits in her lifetime, never was married

° the only one of the four who relived the first death: she was taken by water

° the first Tainted (she was hungry, angry and attacked by a flesh demon)

° taken as a wife mainly for musical and singing talents and to complete lucky number (she's infertile after first death)

° Lilith was jealous at first, but soon realized that Naamah didn't want to hurt her status, and they quickly became besties

main gang: Vaggie, Charlie, Angel Dust, Niffty, sir Pentious, Cherri Bomb, Husk, Alastor (+ as humans)

Heaven: Adam, Eve, Lute, Emily, Sera

Adam and Eve's children: Cain, Abel, Seth, Awan, Azura

Hell: Lilith, Lucifer, Seviathan, Helsa, Razzle and Dazzle, Keekee

Sins: Asmodeus [Lust], Beelzebub [Gluttony], Satan [Wrath], Mammon [Greed], Belphegor [Sloth]

Lucifer's wives: Eisheth Zenunim, Agrat bat Mahlat

Vees: Vox, Valentino, Velvette

overlords: Zestial, Rosie, Carmilla Carmine, Odette and Clara, Flaming Skull Guy

friends and relatives: Mimzy, Arackniss, Molly, Alastor's mom, Alastor's father

[sonicspeeddemon]

[eirikrjs]

Thinking Beyond Replacement

The new Lilith reveal when Vengeance was announced led to another stupid & frankly outdated thought: "why design a new look for a classic SMT demon that's still popular when the new is functionally identical to the old?"

This thought nevertheless got me curious, so i made the Qadistu quartet edits seen above. I've become pro-Doi Lilith for the following reasons:

Kaneko is super dead now that he left Atlus. It's time to move on for real. I'm especially talking to myself.

the palettes of Eisheth Zenunim, Agrat bat Mahlat, and Naamah aren't dissimilar to the Amemiya or Kaneko Liliths, so they would still look fairly cohesive even with the latter. But Lilith is still the leader of the Qadistu and her bubblegum pink hair makes her pop out among them.

However, I think it's undeniable that Doi designed the Qadistu as a unit, combining, as he says, "beauty and ugliness." All 4 have grotesque features and I particularly like Lilith's bony joint aberrations:

There's just a level of cohesion usually only a single artist can lend to such a related/thematic assemblage; I'm also pretty positive on Naamah; even if her purpose in the Qadistu might just be to breast boobily, she's a demon I've wanted in SMT for a long time and i think her design delivers.

I'm not as hot on Agrat bat Mahlat, she reminds me of Ranni for some reason; I just think the "dark witch" motif is a little derivative but at least she adds variety to the group. The most notable thing about her to me is that her red eyes make it look like she's been doing some heavy dabbing in the sweet leaf. Eisheth Zenunim I'm pretty neutral about.

Last point on accepting change, as sad as that sounds to say (but it totally is what's necessary):the 4 Qadistu are the wives of Samael, and so the new Lilith is still wrapped by a snake--a red snake, the same color Samael has always been in Kaneko's designs. While it seems a given Samael will be involved in the story eventually, it would also mean he will have a new design, and probably not a snake, or at least something more involved. I also imagine Lilith's snake having a role in cutscenes--further necessitating the need for an all-new design/model.

Also, i totally expect there to be some classic SMT comparative etymological conflation bullshit with Samael this time around, because "Samael" is one of the alternate names of Yaldabaoth. And oh yeah, Sophia is the mother of the demiurge and in vanilla she called herself a sacred prostitute:

So expect her involvement, too. I'm honestly pretty excited for Vengeance! It's coming out at a great time for me, I think it'll be doable for me one-handed,Doi's new designs I would put on a Kaneko quality scale of somewhere between SMT2 and Devil Summoner, and vanilla SMT5 was so low impact, the only place it can go now is up!

[sageofanys]

The four wives of Samael – Qadištu –

[paraseleneblur]

I love SMT 5 vengeance it is a good game

[31231016]

[couldtheycatchkira]

[rankotendo]

I like how the Qadištu only ever manage to charm female party members. They're for the sapphic gaze.

[kastillia]

Will you scream for me?

[malky-tea]

Of course, I couldn't resist putting them together…

The First House. Heralds. House of the Dawn. Namaru. Devils.

Nusku | Qingu | Bel

[weisart20]

[jollmaster]

usually what do the four wives's Spheres duties consist of? Like what type of state affairs does Lilith usually deal with? What does Eisheth do in her temple of spiritual practices? Are there any Priestess or prostitutes in It too? What does Agrat's cohort do and work out with? What types of rituals does Naamah organizes and how do they work?

hello, and sorry for late!

• Lilith is a goddess of dark side of motherhood and femininity, she harms women in labor and infants (but doesn't touch those who prays her and asks to save children), and gives birth to children and monsters herself; she doesn't have to raise them, there are servants and teachers for that

• as a queen, she's in charge of diplomacy and correspondence (including those that require threatening), supervises servants and labor, participates in the Wild Hunt, inspects territories with the same rights as husband

• Eisheth Zenunim by magic maintains the connection and power of spirits in her temple, protects women and controls annual rituals, which strengthen power of demons and stabilize them

• her priestesses are often prostitutes at the same time; some mortals among them have sold their bodies in mortal lifet, some, both mortal and not, participate in sexual rituals, but out of necessity Eisheth doesn't allow anyone to touch any of temple women

• like, her name, Eisheth Zenunim, means mother of whoredom

• Agrat bat Mahlat, in addition to being a warlady, travels the roads of the mortal world before Wednesday and Saturday (Sabbath) nights, accompanied by own cohort

• during these hours she has the right to harm people, and mortals are careful not to go out on the roads; however, she mostly punishes only sex offenders

• Naamah helps Eisheth in organizing holidays and restricts the choir and music because properly choreographed music is also a kind of magic

• also she helds such rituals by herself: she speaks with spirits or demons on their inner language

[skullcula]

quick and sloppy naamah

[demon64]

You know... it's fun to imagine the different "canons" of the many different versions of the protagonist of SMT V: Vengeance. Some may ask what do I mean by "canons." What I mean is basically every players own playthrough and how in their mind you fill in different parts of the story with your own headcanon.

Using myself as an example, Tori Ashida is the name of the protagonist Nahobino of my playthrough. The way I envision Tori is pretty easy-going, generally Neutral toward things but can lean towards Law or Chaos. I also say that Tori is non-binary but has no issue being addressed with male pronouns. In my head, once Tori takes the Throne for his world, he probably appoints multiple leaders, essentially making a council to help govern things. Generally made up of most of those who could be considered "Top God" of their pantheon. Like I'm thinking Tori would make Zeus, Odin, Shiva, and Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi at least four of them. Maybe Beelzebub because he was high ranking on the Chaos side of things, maybe bring Michael in as well, maybe even the Qadistu, if Tori is feeling generous. In my "canon," Tori also has no issue with poly relationships, so people will make harem jokes at their expense.

I'm still playing through the game, probably close to about ready to try fighting Shiva or Demi-Fiend. Probably gonna level up my party to ninety-nine best I can. The main players are close while Tori is at max, so I'm gonna also probably try grinding Grimoires as well. Wish me luck!

Also, if you guys are feeling it, I wouldn't mind hearing of some of your "canons." At the very least I wouldn't mind hearing your Nahobino's name if you're willing to share.

[paraseleneblur]

If I was in Da'at nobody could stop me