#mr collins from pride and prejudice that is

[babaroqa]

oh my god i am just catching up with the white lotus and mr collins is there but he actually looks hot in an old guy way. idk if that’s because he’s gay and sinister or if he really could look hot if he wasn’t mr collins but here we are, never thought i’d be saying mr collins is hot

[thebookishmoon]

Pride & Prejudice by Jane Austen

[applecoreart]

I want to invest more time in reading again and thought some cute reading lists would be a nice motivator. Since I want to re-read Jane Austen's novels, starting with Pride & Prejudice, that seemed like a good theme to run with (especially with all the talk about books and reading) :) Visually, they're all kind of chilling at home with a good book (except for Mr. Collins, who I threw in there as a joke-- you can rank books on his list by potatoes, rather than hearts, lol).

The lists are free to download from my Google Drive here (grouped into a '95 and '05 pack). Each pack contains the printable pdf pages, as well as the same designs on printable (6"x2") bookmarks :) Happy reading! ❤️📚

[erebites]

pride and prejudice and zombies is so fucking fun, i am having the time of my life. the first proposal scene where everything is exactly the same as the original except they’re beating the shit out of each other?? groundbreaking cinema i don’t know what to tell you

[bethanydelleman]

Hi, I'm new to your blog so apologies if this question has been asked already

Do you prefer Colin Firth or Matthew Macfadyen as Mr Darcy?

Neither. I don't think we've seen a perfect portrayal of Darcy yet.

1940 Laurence Olivier is far too charming.

1967 Lewis Fiander doesn't show enough contrast in his behaviour between people he deems worthy and doesn't.

1980 David Rintoul is too robotic.

1995 Colin Firth is way too broody. Broody McBroodface

2005 Matthew Macfadyen is a Shyboi. And Darcy ain't shy.

Pride & Prejudice & Zombies's Sam Riley is too short, I don't know why that bothers me so much. It was a decent portrayal otherwise.

Watching 1967 again (it's here), I think Lewis Fiander is my favourite Darcy. Not perfect, but the interactions with the Bingleys are great and I like him at the ball. The proposal is also very good though he might not be quite angry enough. But he might be a bit too smiling and "performing to strangers" with his aunt. And they don't show his awkward parsonage visits (it's 6 episodes of 25 minutes).

Also, my favourite Elizabeth is either 1967 or 1980. I find 1995 too serious and 2005 too angry. In both 1967 and 1980, Elizabeth is fun and charming, as she should be!

[tirkdi]

who are your fancasts for the grishaverse characters in your fics? is there a particular actor/fanart you have in mind

Oooh this is tricky! I rarely envision a full-on face for anyone in a book, and since the trilogy was told from Alina's first person POV I sort of 'saw' it through her eyes and didn't think about what she looked like too much.

For the Darkling ... it took me a while to realize what I'd assigned to him, but it's totally the lower half of a younger Neil Patrick Harris' face (skin color, jaw line, cheekbones – pictures under the cut because yes I am a little embarrassed about it). Zoya and Genya are mostly just defined in my head as black and red hair, respectively, framing the most beautiful (but unspecified) faces I have ever seen :) The first still photos I saw when they cast Patrick Gibson as Nikolai were actually extremely on point for what I'd had in my head ... but even when it's more specific, my mental images are pretty loosely held – there's rarely art of book characters that feels wrong to me.

The one thing I have firmly in my head for Alina and Aleksander when I'm writing is height, because that matters for how they interact with each other and the world. Their heights aren't well-established in canon (or if they are, I missed it), so to avoid running into problems where I was making them do things that physically didn't make sense I gave the characters the same eleven-inch height difference I have with my partner, just sized them each down an inch or two so Aleks isn't obnoxiously tall.

Okay here is how I see the lower half of Neil Patrick Harris' face being the Darkling. I do not assume anyone else will endorse this, ever, under any circumstances, but here you are.

And a small smirk for my personal favorite line:

[rambleonwithrosie]

For all the trials of our times...

At least we no longer live in a world where we have to marry Mr Collins to survive and not be a burden

[opalsiren]

i just think that zikki pride and prejudice au

[tunathena]

Just watched the first 3 episodes of HBO Rome for the first time. There are…. Thoughts.

[whetstonefires]

You know what I realize that people underestimate with Pride & Prejudice is the strategic importance of Jane.

Because like, I recently saw Charlotte and Elizabeth contrasted as the former being pragmatic and the latter holding out for a love match, because she's younger and prettier and thinks she can afford it, and that is very much not what's happening.

The Charlotte take is correct, but the Elizabeth is all wrong. Lizzie doesn't insist on a love match. That's serendipitous and rather unexpected. She wants, exactly as Mr. Bennet says, someone she can respect. Contempt won't do. Mr. Bennet puts it in weirdly sexist terms like he's trying to avoid acknowledging what he did to himself by marrying a self-absorbed idiot, but it's still true. That's what Elizabeth is shooting for: a marriage that won't make her unhappy.

She's grown up watching how miserable her parents make one another; she's not willing to sign up for a lifetime of being bitter and lonely in her own home.

I think she is very aware, in refusing Mr. Collins, that it's reasonably unlikely that anyone she actually respects is going to want her, with her few accomplishments and her lack of property. That she is turning down security and the chance keep the house she grew up in, and all she gets in return may be spinsterhood.

But, crucially, she has absolute faith in Jane.

The bit about teaching Jane's daughters to embroider badly? That's a joke, but it's also a serious potential life plan. Jane is the best creature in the world, and a beauty; there's no chance at all she won't get married to someone worthwhile.

(Bingley mucks this up by breaking Jane's heart, but her prospects remain reasonable if their mother would lay off!)

And if Elizabeth can't replicate that feat, then there's also no doubt in her mind that Jane will let her live in her house as a dependent as long as she likes, and never let it be made shameful or awful to be that impoverished spinster aunt. It will be okay never to be married at all, because she has her sister, whom she trusts absolutely to succeed and to protect her.

And if something eventually happens to Jane's family and they can't keep her anymore, she can throw herself upon the mercy of the Gardeners, who have money and like her very much, and are likewise good people. She has a support network--not a perfect or impregnable one, but it exists. It gives her realistic options.

Spinsterhood was a very dangerous choice; there are reasons you would go to considerable lengths not to risk it.

But Elizabeth has Jane, and her pride, and an understanding of what marrying someone who will make you miserable costs.

That's part of the thesis of the book, I would say! Recurring Austen thought. How important it is not to marry someone who will make you, specifically, unhappy.

She would rather be a dependent of people she likes and trusts than of someone she doesn't, even if the latter is formally considered more secure; she would rather live in a happy, reasonable household as an extra than be the mistress of her own home, but that home is full of Mr. Collins and her mother.

This is a calculation she's making consciously! She's not counting on a better marriage coming along. She just feels the most likely bad outcome from refusing Mr. Collins is still much better than the certain outcome of accepting him. Which is being stuck with Mr. Collins forever.

Elizabeth is also being pragmatic. Austen also endorses her choice, for the person she is and the concerns she has. She's just picking different trade-offs than Charlotte.

Elizabeth's flaw is not in her own priorities; she doesn't make a reckless choice and get lucky. But in being unable to accept that Charlotte's are different, and it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with Charlotte.

Because realistically, when your marriage is your whole family and career forever, and you only get to pick the ones that offer themselves to you, when you are legally bound to the status of dependent, you're always going to be making some trade-offs.

😂 Even the unrealistically ideal dream scenario of wealthy handsome clever ethical Mr. Darcy still asks you to undergo personal growth, accommodate someone else's communication style, and eat a little crow.

[mysunfreckle]

I am continually going through Gutenberg’s version of Pride and Prejudice for the fic and the illustrations

Look at these!

Mr. Collins “extending an olive branch” to Mr. Bennet:

Lizzie trying to make up her mind about Darcy vs Whickham after reading Darcy’s letter:

Lydia’s dreams of staying at the camp in Brighton:

Darcy, Caroline and Louisa attempting to drag Bringley away from Jane, and three cupids trying to prevent them:

Lady Catherine going full Lady Catherine: 

They’re by Hugh Thomson, please go look at the others. There’s a list with page links at the start

[misscrawfords]

I was listening to Pride and Prejudice on my drive back from my mother's today and it's been so long since I've actually read the novel as opposed to engaged with one or other adaptation...

Goodness, it's good, isn't it? And Elizabeth is so much more complex a character than she is often presented in adaptations.

The thing that was standing out to me today - I was listening to from when Mr. Collins proposes to Charlotte and I stopped just when Elizabeth was talking to Colonel Fitzwilliam at Rosings - was the chapter which is just Jane and Elizabeth talking about Bingley. This gets cut from adaptations or so condensed to be meaningless, but it's incredible. It's just a whole chapter of the sisters chewing over why Bingley ghosted Jane (for lack of a better term) and what Caroline's motivations were and the thing that gets me is that they're both right. Jane is right that Bingley can't be blamed for being a friendly young man and that he had no malicious intentions but Elizabeth is also right that young men can be thoughtless in their dealings with women who have less freedom than them and their thoughtlessness can do real hurt. (She's also right about Caroline, of course.) It struck me as such a modern issue. Maybe I've just been thinking about the unwitting hurt that thoughtless young men can cause recently, but everything is so complicated. Bingley is a flake who makes a mistake with regards to Jane but he's also a genuinely lovely young man who makes it right in the end - he's still on his own journey through life which he will continue with Jane. Jane herself lets her desire to see the best in others cause her to see friendship where it isn't, but being deceived in a friend is not so uncommon, is it? And she's not stupid or weak. Heck, she endures her heartbreak being talked about openly by her mother in public for months silently and without rancour. And she does it all without ever resenting Bingley! Jane's the strongest character in the whole novel and an inspiration to the rest of us - FIGHT ME on this!

The other thing I really picked up on was what an important moment in Elizabeth's character development Charlotte's engagement is. It actually kind of breaks my heart - her best friend makes a life choice that she can't support but has to and nothing will ever be the same again between them. It's the first dent into Elizabeth's world view that forces her to see that people are different from her and can make different decisions and this is okay and not just something she can laugh at. It's so relatable in terms of life events - when a close friend marries and then when they have a baby, these things absolutely still do alter friendships. Elizabeth gets over it and even enjoys seeing Charlotte in Hunsford but we are frequently reminded by the narrator that the previous confidences they enjoyed will never be the same again. It's a really big moment for Elizabeth and really the first event in the novel to start to shake her foundations of her comfortable existence. The other two are Bingley's desertion of Jane and Wickham's decision to pursue Mary King over her. By the time she goes to Hunsford, she is prepared in a way for the final massive shock to the foundations of The World According to Lizzy Bennet, not that she knows it. Such is growing up.

And OMG Lady Catherine is SO vulgar and inappropriate! She is a direct parallel to Mrs. Bennet and the rest of the Bennets. Just as Elizabeth feels accute embarrassment at the Netherfield Ball, Mr. Darcy is feeling exactly the same at Rosings. Beautifully done. But their awareness of what is appropriate behaviour is something that unifies Darcy and Elizabeth even if Darcy massively fails to behave like a human around Elizabeth. Pride and Prejudice is such an expose and examination of "how to behave in social situations". There is nobody who doesn't come under scrutiny and pretty much every type of behaviour is gone over with a fine tooth comb.

Sometimes I feel almost ashamed when people ask me what my favourite novel is and I say "Pride and Prejudice" because it's such a damn cliche. I should say something heavier or more obscure or at least I should say it's Persuasion, the "thinking girl"'s favourite Austen. But P&P is so special to me on so many levels and you know what? It is a MASTERFULLY written book.

[heyimdove]

More on why Persuasion is the real Jane Austen parallel to Aziracrow, and why Pride and Prejudice is not, because I can’t stop dwelling.

There’s a lot here so I’ll try to structure this in a way that makes sense. Wish me luck.

I’ve seen so many people equate Aziraphale to Lizzie and Crowley to Darcy, but these comparisons don’t make sense. Character-wise, they are far more like Anne Elliot and Frederick Wentworth, respectively.

We’ll start with Elizabeth Bennet, who I love with all my heart and is one of those characters I feel like I know (I’m delusional, it’s fine). Elizabeth is wonderfully intelligent, but she isn’t “accomplished” and isn’t a perfect specimen of Regency womanhood. Instead she’s sharp and headstrong. She wants to live how she wants and with someone she loves for a partner. She rejects a match that is, on paper, perfect and would solve all her family’s problems, because she won’t settle for unhappiness. You know who that doesn’t sound like?

Aziraphale, were he a Regency Era woman, would be considered very accomplished for the time; well-read, polite, even a music tutor. But he’s more unlike Elizabeth because he desires to “do what’s best for the family”. In other words, if Elizabeth Bennet was more like Aziraphale, she’d be married to Mr. Collins. She would’ve considered it her duty to marry him because it would protect her loved ones (see Aziraphale accepting the Metatron). For Aziraphale, his duty to protect trumps his personal desire.

So does that make Crowley our Lizzie? No, that doesn’t fit either, and not only because Aziraphale makes a terrible Darcy. Sure, Aziraphale’s status as an angel might be considered comparable to Darcy’s elevated status as a rich person, but Crowley has never hated Aziraphale, never even considered it, and wouldn’t hate him even after the rejection. Lizzie’s hatred is what spurs Darcy to grow. Darcy needed to be completely despised by her to decide to put in the work to be worthy of her.

Okay, so then is Crowley Darcy? Perhaps we could shoehorn that in somewhere because Darcy doesn’t seem good but actually is, or is considered grouchy, but it’s such a loose connection, it barely works-

-Especially when you consider how much better the two fit as the protagonists of Persuasion.

(And yes, shut up, I liked the Dakota Johnson one and I will be using the gifs.)

Where Pride and Prejudice is about two different people gradually seeing the value in the other, Persuasion is the story of two different people seeing the value in the other right from the start, but who then repeatedly make mistakes that keep them separate and in agony.

Aziraphale is *so* much like Anne. First, Anne is the only reasonable (read: likable) member of her high-born family, who believe people in other societal castes to not only be inferior, but disgusting.

Anne sees this is not true, and falls madly in love with the low-born Wentworth- only to be persuaded by outside input not to marry him. Station and familial duty play a part in this decision, and she regrets it for years. She is completely unable to move on.

Like Aziraphale, Anne is certainly more accomplished, for one thing, and she plays by the rules of women of her time and status. BUT her sense of mortality breaks often from that of her family. When she tries to impart her good morals upon them, they are dismissive and insulting, reacting as if Anne is the one who “doesn’t get it”.

She spends eight years with a family she barely belongs to, wondering why she ever thought the company of people like this was worth the loss of Wentworth.

For all of Anne’s kindness, she is a pushover. She’s rarely confident in herself. When she needs to speak up, or just have a direct conversation with Wentworth, she doesn’t. She can’t. She repeatedly makes Wentworth come to her.

Wentworth, meanwhile, is a far better match for Crowley than Darcy is. Wentworth will never be an aristocrat like the Elliots, but he carves out a life he considers valuable using new rules. Sound familiar?

Are Wentworth’s and Crowley’s morals obviously a bit different? Yes, of course. Crowley is a DEMON, after all. But Crowley conducts himself in such a way that he’s literally cast out of Heaven and removed from Hell- in other words, he’s twice been given “the rules” for how to act and has twice decided, nah, that’s not for me. Wentworth was given the rules for what he could have as a low-born man and became a wealthy, high-ranking naval officer. And Wentworth didn’t do that for love, either. He found the consideration of one’s wealth in determining whether they should be loved abhorrent. Wentworth did it for himself initially (bitterly too, maybe), just like Crowley saves the goats and the kids for himself.

And, of course, Crowley’s confession parallels Wentworth’s position in relation to Anne far more than Darcy’s position to Lizzie. Crowley says “if they (two apparent opposites) can do it, so can we,” because he knows he and Aziraphale love each other. At the start of Persuasion, Wentworth asks Anne to be his wife despite their differing societal rank because he knows they love each other. At the end of Persuasion, he asks again because he knows they have both been in agony, that they both love each other as much as they ever did.

Darcy, meanwhile, does not know if Lizzie loves him, but arrogantly believes she will accept on the basis that what he can offer her monetarily is better than what anyone else can, not knowing what she actually values. She demolishes him.

On that note, that’s really the only parallel between Aziracrow and Darcy/Lizzie, only Aziraphale is Darcy. Aziraphale believed Crowley would accept his offer because he believed Crowley would want to be an angel again. Crowley believed Aziraphale would accept his offer because he knew they loved each other.

These are all very different characters, but ultimately, I think we were gunning for Pride and Prejudice and wound up with Persuasion; the slowest, most agonizing burn with the most beautiful reunion. So we didn’t get “you have bewitched me, body and soul,” in S2. We got the events leading up to Persuasion, and will have S3 to watch them play out. Neil knows that Aziraphale and Crowley’s relationship is the most compelling part of the story, so I doubt they’ll be separated for long. But everything is so messy, isn’t it? So it makes sense to keep them, like Anne and Wentworth, in close proximity, in mutual, bitter, unspoken pining, but still not together. It will be absolutely delicious to watch. Isn’t that what we loved the most from S1?

Because we know they love each other. And whatever catalyzing event forces them to say it out loud will be all the better if every moment they don’t say it hurts. I don’t want a “you have bewitched me” moment, I want “I’m half agony, half hope.”

[princesssarisa]

Since my original poll is much more popular than I expected, but didn't give me enough room for the common bad takes about the supporting characters.

*This applies to one of two interpretations: either that Darcy subconsciously projects himself onto Bingley and Elizabeth onto Jane, or that he hopes to distance himself from Elizabeth by preventing his friend from marrying her sister. Neither one of which has any basis in the text.

[bethanydelleman]

Hello!

I rewatched Pride and Prejudice and it's surprising how my thoughts on it changed over the years 😃

When I was a teenager, Elizabeth Bennet was the plucky heroine that I wanted to be (lol) , now I'm older with a mortgage and responsibilities/bills, I'm like what was her plan in life?

Because she wasn't really educated per se (im thinking about how she answered lady Catherine about what she has to recommend her re:drawing, playing the piano etc) so I guess a 'career'(no matter how little it would be available at that time) was out of the question, but accepting marraige to the (admittedly obsequious) Mr Collins was also out of the question as well as Mr Darcys first proposal (which I get why sge turned it down!) ...I guess I'm asking what Elizabeth's plan for her future.

I've heard this from a lot of people upon re-read, "Why isn't Elizabeth more worried about her future?" I think there are a few things to note.

Early 1800s or not, Elizabeth is 20 years old when the novel begins (the average age of first marriage for women was 23). 27 year old Charlotte is in more of a future panic, but Elizabeth is still young. She has done practical thing like learn to play piano, but like most young people, she's probably just hoping for the best. And it's not like there is much she can actually do, Elizabeth is putting herself out there, she's dancing, she's playing piano, but otherwise she can just hurry up and wait. Her mother's marriage schemes are seen as vulgar and mostly backfire, and we would hardly want Elizabeth to act like Caroline. We read across Austen's novel's that women are largely stationary and it is the men who move in and out of their lives.

Also, I think a big part of Austen's point is that women are in a position where they feel the need to accept any and every proposal, because as Mr. Collins says, they may never receive another, but that this leads to misery (just look at the older couples and how many of them are unhappy!). While somewhat foolish from a financial perspective, Elizabeth is thinking about her long term happiness. She has watched her father turn bitter in an unequal relationship, she does not want that for herself. Elizabeth is choosing possible spinsterhood over being married to a person she knows she could not respect. Marrying for love, or at least on a basis of respect, is a big theme in Austen's novels. Let me add this quote from Mansfield Park to illustrate this point:

“I should have thought,” said Fanny, after a pause of recollection and exertion, “that every woman must have felt the possibility of a man’s not being approved, not being loved by some one of her sex at least, let him be ever so generally agreeable. Let him have all the perfections in the world, I think it ought not to be set down as certain that a man must be acceptable to every woman he may happen to like himself.... And, and—we think very differently of the nature of women, if they can imagine a woman so very soon capable of returning an affection as this seems to imply.”

So yes, Elizabeth Bennet isn't being financially prudent but she is being sensible in preserving her happiness. And for realism, we know Austen made this decision herself! She turned down an eligible offer.

Next, Mrs. Bennet is somewhat exaggerating: they are very unlikely to starve or be destitute. While it is never explicitly stated, Mr. Gardiner seems to be doing very well, and would probably very happily take at least Jane and Elizabeth if Mr. Bennet died. Mr. Philips is also doing well for a country attorney, he could take in his sister-in-law and nieces. It is going to suck, the Bennets should have planned better, but it's not the end of the world. We also do not know Mr. Bennet's age, but he may well only be in his late forties. He's no Mr. Woodhouse who may die tomorrow in a stiff breeze.

So what is Elizabeth's plan? She doesn't have one, she's 20. She's hoping life will throw her a man with a decent income that she doesn't hate. It works out in the end, but I don't think she would live to regret either turned down proposal if she had never met Darcy again.

[besotted-with-austen]

Random Thesis I am reading in my search for Inspiration: (paraphrasing) "-and Elizabeth realised her error in rejecting Mr Darcy after seeing Pemberley and its magnificence-"

Me: wrong, but sure-

Thesis: "-Lady Catherine de Bourgh projects to marry Mr Darcy to her daughter to preserve their noble lineage and even Mr Bennet is planning to marry Elizabeth to Mr Collins to secure his inherited property"-

Me: *record scratch* Mr Bennet is planning WHAT?

Me: Mr Bennet wants Elizabeth to marry Mr Collins? Mr Bennet? Mr Bennet who said he would never talk to Elizabeth again if she did marry Mr Collins because he is literally the definition of someone his daughter would never respect? That he doesn't want to see her in the same marriage he is in? THAT MR BENNET?

Me: *holding Pride and Prejudice like the Bible* THIS! IS! TEXT!

Me: and, Most Important Thing Número Uno,

Me: Mr Bennet The Matchmaker? Mr Bennet The Wedding Planner? Mr Bennet The Father That Thinks About His Daughter's Prospectives? Since when? Are we sure we are talking about the same guy? Because the guy I read about was was like,

Mr Bennet: oh right, I think I forgot to mention that my cousin is coming to see us-you know, Mr Collins, the guy that will eventually inherit everything I possess and leave you on the streets if he feels like it. But hey, no pressure, just a funny thought to keep you up at night!

Me: this guy?

Me: and to do what, keep their property? Mr Bennet doesn't care about that! At all! He doesn't do his job as patriarch of the family!He has not provided his daughters with a good education or dowries, do you think he has thought about combining a marriage? He thinks going to talk to his new neighbour is enough effort on his part! He points and laughs at his wife's ridicolous over-the-top attempts at matchmaking! For all he cares five single-and-ready-to-mingle gentlemen could spring from the ground like the Spartoi and he would be none the wiser!

Me: right, MOST IMPORTANT THING NÚMERO DOS! This is blatant Mrs Bennet's erasure! She is the one that wants Elizabeth to marry Mr Collins! It's her! It's HER-