#mei theory

[dorothygale123]

Question:

Where the heck is Ao Lie?

Like, I can understand the other Pilgrims dying. Tripitaka is human, and Baije and Wujing were former celestial warriors cast out from heaven and a mortal life span could have been part of their punishment (or not... *looks at Sandy suspiciously*). But Ao Lie? He's an immortal dragon, direct descendent of one of the 4 great Dragon Kings and a badass in his own right. Why is he not in the show proper? I might have an answer, and it involves Mei.

See, despite being part of the Dragon Clan, Mei and her parents are oddly... human. Like, she still has cool dragon powers from the start, but they seem to have mortal lifespans. For example, Mei calls Ao Lie her great-great-great-times-a-thousand-great-grandfather, but that wouldn't make any sense if she were a full blooded dragon. Dragons, while depicted as different than demons and celestials, are implied to have similarly long lives as evidenced by Ao Guang, who Wukong knows from at least 1,000 years ago, if not more.

Mei's branch of the family, however, can't be more than 700 years old because she inherited the Samadhi Fire from her ancestor. He was not a host for the fourth ring until after the ritual, so he must have married/had children after that. As I stated in my last post, that can't have happened too much more than 500-700 years ago considering Red Son's age. Considering that timeframe and how long dragons probably live, if Mei were a full blooded dragon she should be Ao Lie's daughter, or maybe granddaughter. So she has to be at least partly, if not mostly, human.

Now, here's a question: do you think Ao Run, a Dragon King, would have approved of his son settling down with some human woman? Do you think he might have, oh I don't know, forbade his son from seeing her? Do you think Ao Lie listened?

My answers are yes, yes, and a big fat no.

My theory is that Ao Lie was punished for getting in a relationship with a human woman in defiance of his father, but quietly, so that no celestial monkeys come in to try and help their bestie. And in order to keep the Great Sage Equal to Heaven from asking to many questions about where his sworn brother has gotten to, they come up with a lie that Wukong won't think too much about. Perhaps he got sick and died, or maybe he ascended and is doing Very Important Things for a Buddha or Bodhisattva. No matter what, he's not coming back and can't see his friend ever again.

That still leaves his wife, now a very single mother. Moang or Longnu could have intercede and convinced their father not to do anything to her and their brother's child, but not welcome them into the clan either. Maybe Ao Lie even took the punishment under the condition that his family wouldn't be harmed, but they were also banned from asking a certain monkey for any help. Thus, Mei's branch of the Dragon Clan spread into the human world and prospered because they were part dragon after all, but not really welcome in Ao Run's court either. This would explain why her part of the family seems a bit separated from the rest of the clan. Ao Guang, for instance, didn't know about her at all, despite her being his brother's great-something-granddaughter. You could chalk that up to him not keeping track of every member of a very large clan, but it could also be that his brother tried to keep his son's 'shame' a secret.

This theory probably isn't cannon, but damn if it isn't a good tragic love story!!! It also holds the possibility of Ao Lie escaping his punishment and coming back....

[6blackfilin9]

more Shifu

[cherllyio]

They are all wearing the same grey tracksuits because, in The Celistial Realms eyes, they are all nothing but harbingers of chaos.

You could say they are viewed through a very much black and white mindset of what is "good" and "bad".

A quick theory I had, before im diving back into my bigger thoeries again :)

[then-be-a-warrior]

Can we NOT do this?

Can we NOT do this?

Let's not call people/theories stupid because you don't agree.

The person who wrote this confession doesn't know what happens next in the show (BECAUSE NONE OF US KNOW) so who are they to say what's stupid or wrong? MAN I wish this wasn't anonymous.

And another thing: THIS THEORY IS VALID.

Yes, in his right mind, Mk would never go against Mei and his found family. But as you can SEE, when he fought Azure, MK's sense of reason was gone. (He's the one who messed up his own plan. MK's plan was to trap Azure back in the scroll. But because he WASN'T IN THE RIGHT STATE OF MIND, he kept fighting Azure to the point where he used too much power and couldn't control it anymore). He wasn't JUST angry. He was having fun for the first half of the fight.

As for MK and Mei's relationship, there are tons of parallels between them and Wukong and Macaque. AND the fact Ink Mk said "Your friends will turn on you. Seeing you for the monster you will become." Foreshadowing, people.

TO SUMMARIZE:

Everyone should be allowed to theorize whatever the fuck they want. I was in the Steven Universe fandom and literally 75% of the fandom thought that the theory of Rose being Pink was idiotic. And guess what turned out to be true? Point is: shut the fuck up.

[finisnihil]

One HSR theory I don't really vibe with is that Ruan Mei will become an Aeon and my main reason is that it would antithetical to her character.

Ruan Mei is first and foremost a scientist, she wants to understand the nature of life and she purues this aggressively. Sure, on the surface, it does seem she would become an Aeon. She literally is trying to create an artificial Emanator. However, as a scientist, her entire character is built on change. Life thrives on because species evolve to suit their environment. Science itself it constantly changing as we grow and broaden/sharpen our understanding of things.

Aeons are inherently stagnant beings. Tail confirms as much in the 2.5 event, "Even the Aeons must walk their paths". To be an Aeon is to become the embodiment of a single concept, to pursue a concept so aggressively and to devote so much of yourself to it that it consumes you and removes your humanity to make total room for it. Lan can never kill Yaoshi because Lan's entire ascension can be simplified to wanting to kill Yaoshi. If Lan kills Yaoshi, Lan's path of The Hunt crumbles with the conclusion of that hunt. Nanook is so devoted to destruction they welcome the destruction of themself.

This is why Sunday becoming an Aeon would've been a tragedy, it was a cage he'd never escape from and us defeating him before he reached that point was supposed to parallel the charmony dove of his childhood crashing to its death after being set free.

Ruan Mei couldn't be an Aeon because it would make her a stagnant being and a stagnant being cannot understand life, life changes too much and too rapidly for a stagnant being to understand. This is literally why Yaoshi is the way they are. Ruan Mei would just become Yaoshi.

If any member of the Godslayer Protocol were to become a new Aeon of Life it would be Luocha. This isn't just my Luocha bias talking, the man is possibly an Emanator of Yaoshi.

Emanators, as beings who can access an Aeon's power and be seen as a vessel of an Aeon, are half stagnant. Acheron must remain stagnant because if she doesn't, she'll be devoured by IX. Self-Annihilators aren't in battle to escape IX, they're in a battle to stay as far as possible so IX doesn't consume them, trying not to be dragged even inches closer. Phantylia is a very flexible entity but her stagnation is only being able to invoke destruction from the inside, she always fails in approaches of direct destruction.

If Luocha is an Emanator, part of his stagnation would be his emotion. Mara is based in emotion, with extreme emotion causing major flare ups. Blade and Jingliu manage their emotions and the memories related to control the Mara. Luocha rarely shows extreme emotion, he's perpetually calm and unbothered. The few times we do see extreme emotion, like in his voice line about Yukong, it's abruptly cut off and the tone becomes comical or confusing because he reigns it in so violently.

If anyone were to replace Yaoshi in a bid to reduce their harm, it would have to be Luocha, who harbors a love for life but a hate for Yaoshi's approach to it. Luocha would become stagnant in a way that deviates from Yaoshi's path. He has a ton of Jesus parallels, it would fit if he martyred himself to his god in this way to save those suffering.

Ruan Mei loves life and the study of it too much to ever sacrifice that for Aeonhood. Her Emanators will always be artificial.

[swkbiggestdefender]

A theory I've been thinking about alot so remember when nine headed demon said that him and wukong were old friends and enemies too I don't think it was from a past cycle I think someone erased a huge part of wukong memories or maybe even both

Hear me out remember in season 2 when wukong said he can't take them with him to find the rings because it's dangerous that doesn't make sense bc he should know that mei have is the fourth ring but what if he really didn't know until amnesia rules when tang pushed a bolder at him he remembered bc he only acted odd after that

Also what if wukong have no memories of how the pilgrims died he knows they did but can't remember when and how so he was never able to grief normally

So that's why he got angry but also very emotionally upset when macaque mentioned his old companions suddenly being here again and wukong not questioning it

And if that's true he probably brushed it off as him going crazy again or something until nine headed demon said "you just don't remember" he realised that maybe something bigger is going on

[justobsessedwithvic]

hello lovely people in the tbhk fandom! how are we all doing today?

"......."

Great! So in the chapter 112 leaks, we see this panel with shijima!

here she is! our favorite supernatural artist, looking perfectly alive and healthy! so pretty!

Unlike the other students, she's not wearing a uniform, or a tracksuit like Aoi is. Instead, she's dressed like an adult. I would say a teacher. (also shes lowkey buff now look at her arms) Anyways, she seems really tall, and she's holding a clipboard.

In addition, the students near her are holding up a poster they made, and they look really proud of it. You know what teacher I would show a poster I made to first? an art teacher.

Shijima died years ago, so her current age makes sense, becuase in this reset world, she probably didn't die. (thank god because shes so pretty ajwhgskajshg)

Anyways yeah Shijima is the art teacher at the school. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.

im gonna try not to talk about anything else because if i do i might start sobbing

[i-am-a-fan]

So remember in the episode “The first Ring” from season 3 where Mei and Redson bump into each other and share a vision of Mei getting the samadhi fire? Okay, well something's been bugging me. (Here's the full image btw. )

First off please appreciate how beautiful the artwork is because damn. Second, what does it mean? While the different color fires could be an homage to how the Samadhi Fire was first created, we would need to see the 5 elements, not the 3 fireballs we see in the photo. (pg. 575)

Therefore, I'm going to assume this is more foreshadowing, since the LMK team is amazing at planting seeds that will only grow within future seasons. (ex. Macaque's relationship with Wukong, the lady bone demon, Mk's nature, etc etc.)

So... I'm going to dissect the hell out of this frame.

The main focus is someone in the center taking in the power of the 3 fireballs. Their form isn't clearly defined, but we can tell it's most likely someone with the standard Lego build: Mk, Mei, Redson, PIF, Tang, etc. I always assumed this was Mei, but I feel like if it was they would have shown it. The next frame shows us Mei with the fire (and once again look at the artwork's beauty.) I have more thoughts on this, but I'll circle back.

Next up we have the balls of fire. I saw somewhere that these might represent the traffic light trio. Although Redson has mostly been sidelined, I like the sound of that theory, so I am going to piggy back off of it.

Mei would obviously be the green color, MK seems to be the yellow fireball, but then that leaves a blue flame. Yet, not one of the traffic light trio has their signature color as blue. The only character that comes to mind is Sandy/ Mo, but he doesn't have the standard Lego build.

Of course, this can be Redson, since the original samadhi fire was blue. However, at no point do I remember that Redson has had any teal/ blue markings. In her flashback, Redson is shown with dark red and black, the same as Mei when she eventually gains the fire.

Unless...

Maybe they character isn’t teal yet..

Ring a bell????

That's right, the blue/teal might actually end up being Mk. Thus, giving each character a flame. (Redson = Red/yellow, Mei = Green, and Mk = Teal)

Doing some color drops, you can see that these colors are very similar, but they aren't exactly the same. That being said, they’re close enough that it raises alarm bells in my mind.

Now, circling back to the main image and the person at its center. I think we might see Mk gain the Samadhi fire next. In the image, there is a red background, green under the person's feet, and blue fire emerging from the person's back.

Personally, I think it might be the framing of a timeline using background, middle ground, and foreground. The red background would be Redson, the person who (in this universe) was born with the fire and created it as a whole. Next up would be Mei, who gains the fire in season 3, but seems to lose it at the end of the fight with the lady bone demon. So, that only leaves the future...

A future that I am personally hoping for...

Edit: I fixed some grammatical errors. Sorry y’all, dyslexia never rests.

[azureandcrimson]

Care.

I love the idea that Macaque is Touch-Averse, but he's also Touch-Starved, so he get's head pats every once in a while from Sandy, and after Season 5 and when/if Macaque and Wukong started to get along a bit better, Wukong would start to randomly give Macaque hugs and ruffle his hair, Macaque would have no idea where this came from, but he doesn't quite mind it because Wukong wasn't crossing any borders (He won't admit that he likes it) + After Season 5 Macaque would burst into Wukongs and Mk's house & apartment randomly and tell them to take care of themselves if they haven't been and if they haven't he would help them, making sure they did (He's also done this to Redson and Mei) And if Wukong and Macaque did start dating, Macaque can be insanely gentle in talk and touch if he really wants, and Wukong would shower Macaque in kisses on his face and six ears! I have a theory that, back before Macaque met Wukong, Macaque didn't know how to do glamours, they both didn't, so Macaque wore a hood to hide his six ears because he got bullied for them and became insecure, and when he first met Wukong, he fully expected Wukong to do the same thing, but, Wukong didn't, and even called his six ears pretty and said that if anyone bullied his ears around him that he would protect Macaque (I just think that it's sweet) so when he died and got revived and knew how to do glamours, he hid his ears, because of those memories. But after a couple of weeks after Season Five he stopped hiding them behind glamours because he felt a bit more comfortable. :)

[palmtreepwr]

absolutely going nuts over the theory that ruan mei's ascension to aeonhood occurred when she figured out how to revive/reanimate tingyun from the dead. considering her being mentioned in 2.4 TWICE, the leaked confirmation about tingyun 5* coming out, and the albeit questionable leaks about ruan mei perhaps being the first playable aeon while also unlocking a new playable path... girl i'm sat. the question is tho. what would she be the aeon of? aeon of life? aeon of rebirth? and is she gonna just be a better bailu in the sense of reviving fallen teammates.. or maybe it'll be a "take one life for another" situation which will be INSANE to play with in teams. I NEED TO KNOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[hermitw]

Ok so we get itafushi, we get miwamaru, etc. in this page. It seems to be telling of relationships.

And Ui Ui / Mei Mei...

Ui Ui's arm - it looks like he's trying to break away from someone. Higuruma? Is Ui Ui... Struggling w the complicated messy feelings that arise when you begin to accept that you've been abused, but it's so hard when you've been groomed for so long and you don't want to face that reality?

Mei is on the opposite side of the page. She and her brother could not be further apart. Her eyes are closed, and she's smiling the way she does when exploiting people for money. Maybe her subscription service ambition was given to Mei as a distraction - to focus on that instead of exploiting her brother.

Maybe we didn't need Geto to come back to life and kill her - I really overlooked Hiromi and his sense of justice, haven't I? Mei probably thinks that she can get out of any scandal, as long as she has money. She isn't facing anyone, and no one is looking at her. Shoko is looking up at nothing, pretending she isn't there.

It looks like Hiromi's also facing Gakuganji - he's keeping watch over jujutsu headquarters and the victims. I love him so much. Looking back now, Hiromi rly is the next generation Geto - protecting the innocent without discriminating. Oh, you're in a position of power to exploit the weak? He'll kill you anyway. Good luck.

Also shokohime seems like.... There? Shoko's looking off in the distance like she's happy, waiting and giving privacy. She's facing Utahime, whose arm is reached out toward Shoko and to her student that she has to worry about first.

Idk what's up with Ino, or if Inumaki is looking at the reader.

And who are the two people in the back, that you can't rly see? Thought one was Todo but he's already on there. (edit: my friend says one is Hajime Kashimo, & they're right. I guess the other is Haibara, or maybe the sugar CT guy... Oh god is the jacket most like Junpei's?) Though it could just mean there are more strong and intelligent allies than we know.

Here's my reaction to the end of the manga btw (forgot this page was part of 271 smh)

[court-of-constellations]

Something that's always confused me in EC is why the hell so many members of the Marlon and Beelzenian royal families look like Adam and Meta respectively. Eve's lookalikes can be explained away pretty easily by virtue of literally being her, but there's no explanation for Adam and Meta.

Thus, I would like to propose this theory.

Adam influenced the way Marlon men look like from Grim the End similar to how Eve influenced Mikulia's appearance. Karchess's appearance is genuinely a coincidence, but the later generations were influenced by Adam. (credit for this part of the theory goes to @gecemi09)

But what about Meta? She's not in a vessel, she's just dead.

Well, it's established in canon that Hänsel and Gretel are fated to reincarnate over and over again. What if they're also fated to find a woman who looks like Meta to follow? They didn't reincarnate in Lust arc (or if they did, they were off doing something else) so they never met Maylis, but they adored Banica. Germaine could've been the intended Meta lookalike for Riliane and Allen, but Prim threw that off. Maybe that's why Abyss I.R wanted Germaine in the first place, so she could better control Hänsel and Gretel's incarnations through her. Since Irina took over Germaine's body, Germaine never had any kids that would lead to another lookalike for Lemy, but that didn't end up mattering in the end since Lemy was adopted by Julia.

And then along comes Envy arc and Mei and Rin. It's always been odd to me that Riliane reincarnated in Enbizaka at all, but what if that's just another result of her being a failed reincarnation of Gretel? It's entirely possible that the twins were supposed to reincarnate in Enbizaka, but since they're in the glass and Allen's in the Black Box, Riliane was the only one who actually did. That's why Mei looks like Meta, because Gretel's incarnation was supposed to have a mother that looked like her first mother once again.

But that's just a theory.

[cherllyio]

Did you know that this dangerous little furball is acutally really important in Chinese Mytholgy?

[somewhat-insane]

Okay, so, I know a lot of people were discouraged after the LMK S5 trailer. The art is different, yes, but remember there are still people working behind the screen; passionate about this story they're trying to tell. To rebuild faith and re-spark hope, I'm going through the trailer frame by frame and sharing anything cool I find. (There is some (what I hope is) constructive criticism in here, but I would like to reiterate something other fans have said. DO. NOT. HARRASS. ANYONE. WORKING. ON. THE. SHOW. They're doing their best with what they have available to them. We're lucky Wildbrain decided to pick the show back up because if they hadn't, we may not have gotten the rest of the story.)

They've been brought in front of the council to discuss their car's extended warranty. ALSO WHERE IS MK'S JACKET AND BANDANA? THEY WHOLE ASS PROBABLY SNATCHED THIS POOR BOY OUT OF HIS BED WHILE HE WAS SLEEPING

Don't worry, babygirl, I still think you're pretty ^3^

Okay, they gave him his clothes back, phew.

Hehe, tiny monkies.

At least our child is still adorable.

Synchronized heart attack.

He is so traumatized, lol. Someone brought up how this design for the circlet wasn't the previously established design in the show, but it COULD be based on the design used on the cover of the Journey to the West novel (as seen below)

It's not exactly the same but the shape is similar.

Anyway.

WUKONG ANGST WUKONG ANGST WUKONG ANGST

I'm realizing while doing this that Wildbrain doesn't use as many smear frames as Flying Bark did. As funny as it is to pause and see something like this in season 1-4:

It makes the animation look a LOT smoother and more energetic. Flying Bark also seems to use more frame-by-frame while Wildbrain probably uses more tweening. I suppose it makes sense though because Wildbrain is more used to 3D animation and the 2D animation they have done in the past is more paper-doll-like and doesn't need as much bounce and action.

Back to the trailer, no need to dwell.........

MO. HANG IN THERE.

MONKEY ANGST MONKEY ANGST MONKEY ANGST aposhdgpafoshdfosfapsdofpa

Oooh, wait, this frame actually kinda goes hard. I'm kinda hyped... I should draw this.

NO BRO DON'T MAKE ME CRY JUST BECAUSE OF A TRAILER

You know what this makes me think of...? Did any of you guys ever play that game called "Journey"?

It's a beautiful game with beautiful music. Y'all should play it if you haven't. Oh, and sometimes if you're playing at the same time as someone else in the world, your games will merge and you get a little play buddy :3

Genuinely love how distressed he is here.

SHADOWPEACH ANGST SHADOWPEACH ANGST

Looks like we're still gonna get cool backgrounds and background character designs!!!!

This looks like it may be some kind of storybook or memory sequence like when Chang'e was talking about how she found the ring in S3 or when LBD was talking about Macaque's death... what memory do you think we're going to be exploring this time?

This goes pretty hard. I would paint this on a wall or something.

Mk is flabbergasted.

Yay!! Mk has the support he needs. ALSO MORE SANDY

They're mortified. Probably because they just watched a giant dragon and white tiger fucking evaporate.

Hehe bord

I can't wait to see fanart of him. I'm so excited!

SHADOWPEACH SHADOWPEACH SHADOWPEACH

He's thinking about kissing him, honest.

I think he's purty

MORE PIGSY-

I've run out of room for pictures, but I hope this helped get y'all all hyped again for the new season! Have hope, stay strong!

[zetsubo-bani]

If yana held another vote someday, which character would you vote as your favourite? I might try to draw the new "potential devil 6"

This is all I could fit

[flevflev]

My Most insane Yanqing Theory Yet

I just had the random idea of what if he’s related to Ruan Mei, hear me out- I have to make this brief since the mobile app is very slow for me so my apologies 🙏

Luocha’s voiceline about him is suspicious enough (Very unnecessary at first glance) Jingliu said that they were “fated to meet” after she fought with him, maybe she realized he wasn’t a normal child soldier. Both of them work with Ruan Mei

His origins are unknown , in one of his chats he was protecting a litter of kittens until their mother comes back, and he suddenly thought it was similar to his and his bio parent’s relationship except they never came back.

(See the full chat on the wiki!: https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Messages/Yanqing )

and then 1.6 happens and we see how the Critters (cat cakes) were waiting for Ruan Mei to pay attention to them despite she sort of abandoned them. (Before someone attacks me, I know this isn’t tied to Yanqing at all nor I think all of that was just a parallel to my theory, but I find this a interesting coincidence, this is just a theory post XD)

Ruan Mei has a historial on the Luofu before, maybe in one of those visits she left Yanqing so Jing Yuan could find him and take him as his own

And then there are the funny meaningless coincidences that are potentially just design choices but I’m delusional-

Yanqing and Ruan Mei aren’t musicians yet they’re one of the few characters that have a traditional Chinese instrument as a core part of their design

Also this is 99% most likely a coincidence but hey this is a theory post so I can try to be as delusional as possible LOL. Yanqing has Blue-Aqua-Pink undertones like Ruan Mei has, with pink being somewhat of highlighted, unlike Jingliu who doesn’t have a highlighted pink detail on her design. Is a different kind of pink from March’s and is more similar to Ruan Mei and Tingyun’s

This is just for fun since idk… seems too good to be true for me