#maybe like eve’s flashback or lute’s

[mintartem]

I swear if Cain and Abel ever appeared in Hazbin Hotel, and Adam turned out to be a shitty dad, I’ll be pissed.

I’m not saying he should be the greatest or even a great dad. I’m just saying he shouldn’t be a dead-beat or a good-for-nothing dad. I think he should be a father. A father who is trying to make sure they survive in the land that they were banished on. A father that makes sure his family is safe and and healthy in this new environment.

If we apply the theory of Cain being Lucifer’s son instead of Adam’s, it will add more to his character (past Adam that is). If Cain was Lucifer’s son, Adam should still treat Cain as if he’s his own and still loves him anyway. But when Abel came along, Adam will show favoritism to Abel showing that he is not a perfect father. He still loves Cain but he does favor Abel.

(Another thing, I do hope that Adam genuinely loves Eve. Look at his face when Lucifer said “Or the second” during their battle. He really looks angry! He was either having flashbacks of Eve taking a bite of the apple or being banished from Eden or something else entirely. And when Lucifer made the *sexual* motions, he really sounded angry when he yelled “I’ll end you!”)

[thecluelessdoctor]

its rambling time

OK SO HAZBIN THEORY

I'm so original ik.

Cw: spoilers for hazbin! Leave a reblog and come back later if you don't want spoilers or haven't seen it yet

SO.

We know lilith is in heaven, hence why she's been gone at least 7 years. But what if I told you she's been there for a while lot longer?

OK HEAR ME OUT. in the end of the final, lute says something about Adam being dead, and a deal with him and her wanting to stay there yatta yatta

My theory is that Lilith and Eve swapped places. ALREADY HEAR ME OUT.

Plenty of people have spoke about in the charlie flashback, 'lilith's' hair line and look doesnt look like- well Lilith.

(too lazy to get the screenshot myself I'm sorry BUT YALL KNOW THE THING)

Let's look at the fact Eve was created to simply serve Adam, which likely carried into the afterlife as well. But due to Lucifers gift of agency, rather than being a brainless servant, she has her own thoughts. She's also likely only seen as the wife of Adam and the first woman to sin. So she's bound by this role. And hell, although hell, has freedom. Especially if your high on the food chain.

Now why would Lilith want to leave? She's a ruler of hell and THRIVED. She was powerful.

Well- she's in hell. She was Adam's original wife, and likely wanted to be in heaven.

My theory is that eve and Lilith, with the help of Adam, Swapped places.

Now why would Adam help them??? Honestly I don't know. Maybe he's not as loyal to heaven as he let on. I mean, he's likely a lot like eve, forced into a role of the first man, and the first to sin. He doesn't even know why he's in heaven. It could be likely that he helped them, maybe thinking something could change, but I don't know.

BUT YEAH THATS MY THEORY THERE YOU GO

[procyonloser]

My season 2 wishes. All unlikely to happen, I'm just saying what I would want to happen.

Adam is alive (obviously) as a sinner, who blames the hotel and starts working with Vox, who is the first to notice Adam not being dead. Vox and Adam cause tension between Vox and the other Vees. They try to recruit Husk to some degree, given his hate for Alastor, putting him at odds with Angel Dust, who'd grown to trust him, given the connection to Valentino. (I think it's possible Vox will eventually be the one to kill Val) I think Vox will try a smear campaign against Charlie and Lucifer.

Side plot in Heaven being heaven going into emergency mode over Pentious, and initially Lute trying to kill him, but finds out about Adam being alive in hell, and ends up teamed up with presumably Emily and Pentious in heaven. (I love the idea of Pentious making an arm for Lute like I love it so much)

All these confrontations lead to more revelations about Lilith, what deal Adam had with her, possibly hints on Eve/Roo, Charlie questioning the story she'd been told growing up, and I think the end of the season would be Lilith returning and Lucifer being conflicted, or possibly trading himself to heaven for her, making Charlie the new ruler of Hell. I want the end to be Adam realizing he needs to work with the hotel, and Charlie realizing she needs Adam to maybe get her mom/dad back, which means season 3 could be more focused on trying to redeem Adam.

Songs I want, Vox and Adam. I mean... Fucking Christian Borle and Alex Brightman are you kidding me.

I would love an Eden flashback with Lucifer, Adam, and Lilith all singing together, maybe Adam's pov?

I want a Lute song. I need a Lute Lilith song. An Alastor Lilith song would be good too. (Or Eve)

And, end thoughts, I think we could absolutely see other seraphim.

Obviously I'm an Adam bitch and given he's likely very permanently dead none of this will happen, but on the off chance I'm right about any of it, I want to hear lisan al gaib comments when the season comes out.

[nicolegmattos]

Things I just need to know/see in S2 of Hazbin Hotel:

Why Alastor was gone for so long, where he was and what he was doing. Also if this has something to do with Charlie not getting news from Lilith for seven years (same amount of time Alastor was missing) and why he came back after all that time

Who has Alastor on a leash (must be someone really powerful. Lilith maybe?) and why he made a deal with them

Why Adam was an angel if he was a mortal soul before (he even calls Alastor a mortal soul like he himself wasn’t one in the first place, like what???)

If Sir Pentious managed to get to Heaven after being “forever” killed by Adam what happened to the other souls who were killed in Hell before? Died died? Where did they go? Did they just stop existing? For a sinner to get to Heaven they need to be killed in a definitive way like Sir Pentious “was”?

How Husk was like when he was an Overlord and what happened exactly that made him make a deal with Alastor and how exactly this saved his powers

What it takes for a demon to be considered an Overlord and how they stop being one.

Why Lilith left Charlie and Lucifer and why she went to Heaven. Also why she separated Charlie from Lucifer (it seems so in the flashback) and why Lucifer never really showed up after that

What was Lilith’s deal with Lute

More insight on Alastor, Mimzy, Husk and Niffty. What exactly is their relationship, how many of them Alastor knew in life (just Mimzy?) and how Mimzy knows the other two

More insight on everyone’s life before coming to hell including how they died and why they went to hell (actually I don’t know why I typed in “more” when we clearly have none lol)

Why Alastor is more powerful than the usual mortal souls and if that’s because he gained more power killing other Overlords (if not, why he did it)

What favor Alastor will ask from Charlie and what his intentions are exactly

Are all exorcists women? If yes, why? If not why does it seem to be the case?

More insight on Rosie and Carmilla (I just really liked these two) and Zestial too. He’s mysterious

More insight on the Vees (even though I really hate Valentino but Vox and Velvette are iconic)

Why Vox invited Alastor to be part of the Vees. His hate comes from that or is there something more?

Edit:

And where is Eve???

Yeah, this is all I can think of now (it’s a lot, I know lol). If you have any theories I’d love to hear

[fandom-dumpster]

Eve Theory Deep Dive

Here’s just a bunch of stuff regarding Eve that I can’t get out of my head.

The only times we’ve seen “Lilith”, without it being in a photo, her hair is moving constantly. BUT, in the intro (the only other time we see her in motion kinda) her hair is static for a lot of it and its Eve’s hair that’s flowing in every shot of her… On the beach it could be wind, but Lute’s hair isn’t moving

Now, I don’t think the lady Lute talks to is actually Lilith, but Eve. For one, she’s covering the top of her head very plainly with that hat so its hard to tell if she has that signature swept back hair, but you can somewhat see that part of her hair does fall in front of her forehead and isn’t swept from the hairline. Could be a coincidence though, of course. There’s also that pearls theory people have, too.

Another thing is that for once “Lilith” actually has the black nose that Charlie has. In every single photo we’ve seem of Lilith she does have a nose but its not like Charlie’s at all. She’s got shadow on her nose but that’s it. Yet, the Lilith we see on the beach has that dark nose (not the exact same but still closer than the photos). In the flashback with baby Charlie, the lady, who most assume is Eve judging by the hair, has her face in shadow so its nothing we can really confirm yet. 

Since we hear in the intro story that Eve took the apple, but never hear of Adam doing the same, and Adam ended up in Heaven, I think its safe to assume Eve ended up in hell. So, there is potiental that Charlie is Eve's daughter instead. We've yet to see actual features from Lilith that Charlie has- she's got Lucifier's complexion, cheeks, horns, eye color, and tail. The only parts we aren't sure about are her hooves and the big clawed hand she got fighting Adam.

A big hole, however, is the timeline. As Lucifer and Lilith seem to have been a couple for a long time, then Eve would have to be in the picture for Charlie, then Lilith would be back again for some of Charlie’s life given the photos we have, then gone again. If Lilith thrived in hell, she may have taken pity on Eve and tried to help her only for it to backfire, or maybe Eve, Lucifer, and Lilith had some kind of agreement

Now, if Eve is also Roo (aka root of all evil, an antagonist that’s supposed to show up in the show) it would explain a little why Charlie would have that clawed arm thing and the connection of tree root imagery with the tree of knowledge. Along with Eve eating the apple being what invited evil into the world. Roo’s old design also has the black lines on her eyes that Charlie’s demon form has. On the beach, “Lilith” has sunglasses on so maybe she has those, too. (Also once more, her hair seems like it’s wispy so maybe it flows like Eve’s too)

[commenter2]

I'll be okay with Hazbin Hotel season 2 only having 8 episodes IF that season mainly focuses on the smaller stuff, like Charlie again trying to focus on redeeming sinners and the Vee's plans against the main characters.

As much as I want to see more big moments about things such as Lilith and what she has been doing all this time, getting hints about Eve and Roo, seeing Charlie interacting with angels like Jesus Christ and her angelic aunts/uncles, and seeing other HH characters like the von Eldritch family and Crymini (who again I think should be a Hellhound) I would like to see those stories be expanded and explored properly and not be rushed in a small season like Vivize and the writers had to do for Hazbin Hotel season 1.

I got a few ideas for what the 8 episodes can be about related to these things:

The season premiere has the hotel crew meeting their new resident Baxter. I can see the episode going over several other things such as the aftermath of the season 1 finale, like how stopping the Extermination has made the Pride ring a little crowded and sadly the characters learn there is going to be another Extermination happening in about 9 months. We could learn that Charlie has a bit of PTSD from the battle and is still guilty about Pentious' death. Maybe as a way to coup wiht this she has doubled her efforts to find a way to get sinners into Heaven.

I also could see such an episode having a plot point where people are checking into the hotel BUT most don't want to actually be better people, something Baxter does at first before slowly changing, so Charlie and co. now need to weed out those that want to be redeemed from those just using the hotel for various purposes. I could see the last idea being the premise of its own episode, as it would be a great way to add several characters to the hotel staff/group at once.

Exploring Vox and Alastor's past. This could explore a bit of Alastor's human life, but also what happened to Alastor 7 years ago. Great way to start dabbling into the Roo (or Lilith if you believe in that) connection theory.

Charlie trying to terminate Angel's contract with Valentino once and for all. I have brought up the question why Charlie hasn't made Angel leave his job as a requirement of him staying at the hotel and after seeing how badly Val treats Angel and with the Vees being the main antagonist of S2, this should happen. This would basically be like Helluva Boss's mid season 2 episode but I can see it being more dramatic and pleasing to see Val lose. this can also lead to Val getting more motivated to take down the hotel crew in the end.

Charlie goes to Lucifer for information on how Heaven and Hell decided who goes where after they die, in hopes of finding a clue or angle for her redemption program. This episode could also count as the eventual flashback episode showing how Lucifer and Lilith met, the whole apple thing, and the war between God and Lucifer's forces. Charlie could learn the shocking truth about how something really went down compared to the version she was told/led to believe.

A episode in Heaven where we see Sir Pentious getting use to Heaven while he and Emily deal with Lute. Like I brought up in my first season 2 episode idea post, they could decide to disobey Sera's orders and try to contact Charlie to show that redeeming sinners is possible.

Alastor cashes in the favor Charlie owes him by asking her to show her a legendary item or place, which leads to Charlie taking him to a special area. In no time shenanigans happen like something gets stolen or gets out of the room, causing the two to clean up the mess before something bad happens. Along with seeing Charlie and Alastor bond, especially if we get more of Al's life in such an episode, there would be a twist at the end where we find out this was part of Alastor's plan/mission as someone else was able to get in the special area get either another item, read something from a powerful book, or something else mysterious. Maybe Mimzy steals something in it and we get some development from her and she joins the hotel.

An episode about Niffty and her backstory. She didn't get any serious development in season 1, and such a premise was one of the scrapped ideas for the original HH season 1. I could see this being a good episode that is more entertaining then doing anything to advance the main story.

Speaking of which, another scrapped HH episode had Angel getting kidnapped and Husk and co. go searching for him, especially Husk. That would be a GREAT episode to have airing before the season finale.

A crazed Lute performs the Extermination attack of Hell earlier than scheduled. The events here could lead to the season finale, as I could see the Vee's attacking the weakened Charlie and the other characters after they have just dealt with the angelic forces.

The finale would be a battle between the hotel crew and the Vees, where maybe near the end Emily and other heavenly forces come to aid Charlie' side. I can see it ending with the Vees being punished by Charlie like maybe Val and Vox temporarily lose their Overlord titles (though Velvette getting out of it somehow) but Heaven as an apology for Lute's actions says that while the angels are currently debating on the topic, they will hear out Charlie's redemption plan again if she can redeem another sinner or two without aid from her father or and demons/angels before the end of a set deadline (AKA the season 3/4 finale). The season ends with everyone being happy until they are surprised by the appearance of Lilith at the hotel.

Another good thing about having season 2 focus o these things is that it will mean other, bigger stories will have to be told in later seasons and while currently mixed about Helluva Boss' planned 4 season run, I LOVE the idea of Hazbin Hotel having a lot of seasons.

Do you think these things should be the focus of Hazbin Hotel season 2? What could you see happening in it?

[inconspicious-random-thoughts]

Vivienne said in a video at some point this month that she hopes to make Hazbin Hotel run as long as her favorite series BoJack Horseman, which went for 6 seasons. In the event that the series does manage a 6-season run, and assuming Amazon Prime doesn't do anything to screw the show over, how do you see the 5 remaining seasons playing out?

Also, I know I'm a little late saying this but I'm sorry for the hardships you faced in the past week, I hope you're doing well.

Hello my friend!

No worries about my R/L shit. Power back on and fridge restock. I just couldn't use my computer aka tumblr last week. Pay still F'ed up and that, unfortunately will be a battle. As far as the assault/attempted carjack (They weren't trying to steal it as to steal it, but to get away from their drug related bad trip situation) while working, I was relatively unharmed, just really shaken up. Because, like, I was just doing my job, working, and trying to help someone who came to me for help-and looked like they needed help. Only to attack me 1.5 seconds later.

Anyways, Bojack. Is such a great show. I haven't rewatched it in over a year or two because it does put me in a bad headspace occasionally. But the show is brilliant. Like, seriously a show about anthropomorphic characters, it really dives deeps in human emotions.

Its difficult to say what would happen. Because, as far as I know, Viv isn't greenlighted ahead of time for those extra seasons. So, she is force to semi wrap stories and arcs while leaving it open to continue,. Or she make a wager, write a story that stretch season, hope she get greenlighted for more season to finish it and not the dreaded indefinite cliffhanger.

I speculate that season two will sow the seeds of Roo lore and her ambitions. But I don't think Roo really part of season two except the "cliffhanger" part like Lute and Lilith ending of season 1. Everything will be semi tied off then we be thrown the twist of Roo role. The clues planted earlier but still hidden/subtle.

But, if we had the 6 seasons ahead of time, I think Roo would be simultaneously slowly build up yet at the same time very relevant yet hidden that would stretch a few seasons.

I don't think it will be touched upon at all if its season by season, but given a chance to know how many season upfront, POSSIBLY Charlie reworking Hell structure of power...aka Soul contracts. I doubt Charlie wants to continuation of power imbalance among sinners, and most lost their own free will.

While soul contract originally may emerge from more "noble" beginnings. Of A stronger sinner providing protective service in exchange of servitude...the practice obviously got abused and corrupted over time. So, Viv may touch upon that in a final season to make Hell...more tolerable. The idea of Charlie wanting Hell to be fair and peaceful etc is funny as Hell meant to be eternal punishment for Sinners wrongdoings. Obviously its not going to be Heaven but she also wants it to be like not a Hellhole.

Tho, Hell is near heavenly (minus some consequences) for people like Alastor who thrived in this environment. His hunger of flesh and thrill of bloodshed he won't be able be able to do freely anywhere else.

More season we would get more flushed out backstories. Episode that dedicated to it. A few for the more popular ones, Alastor and Angel. At least one for others like Husker and Sir Pentious. Maybe a few reference flashbacks and a full episode about Vox and Alastor. A glimpse of life in Heaven as a exorcist from Vaggie. Multiple episode about the beginning of humanity. Adam, Lilith, Eve, Lucifer in Eden and The Fall. Possibly Roo and GoOD lore episode. Everything would be fleshed out and along with that, much more character growth.

But unfortunately we would get compressed versions, if we only get 8 -20-25 minute episode a season, of how many season is played by ear.

For Example , if we get 6 season, Nifty would probably have her own backstory episode, and how she met Alastor etc...

What we will actually get with this play by ear is...casually mentions from Nifty commentary to the others that we have to piece together.

For example we met a new sinner! Nifty comments how the sinner "reminds me of my husband before I stabbed him 17 times." *cues derange cackle from her and rubs her hands together gleefully* "I wonder if he'll do the same silly spaism and funny wheezy noises" *Nifty said as she looks at the increasingly uncomfortable sinner like its a new toy for her to break*

So, unfortunately, I think we will get random derange commentary from Nifty that will be dismissed easily as its not really part of the story. But it feeds us little info about her. We find out she was married, and the reason she in Hell because she murdered him. Etc.

I think if Nifty said something similar in the show, everyone but Alastor would look at her disturbed and Angle crying out. "Wait! You were married? How old are ya? I thought you barely older than a child!" Nifty naturally just laughs and does not disclosed her ages (its unlady like after all, especially of her era)

I'm not sure if we get Sinner Adam currently, but I think if more season was greenlighted ahead of time, Sinner Adam would make the cut into the show. Which would be fun concept to explore. Especially once Lute finds out and she has to deal with deep complex emotions as she force to reevaluate her stance about the abominations and scums she once thought of sinners.

I think we would definitely get to see more powerful higher up Angels such as Michael, Etc. Either being strictly opposing our main characters, or started opposing but end up working together. Which would also probably bring up Lucifer past and his relationships with his siblings.

Tldr, in short, I think everything would just be flushed out more. More lore about Roo and Go(o)d, Eden, the fall, "the uprising", the beginning of the extermitions, and current negotiations of extermations and consequences of retaliation (defending)

As well everyone backstory will be viewed instead of mention. More satisfying character growth (or descend/villainary)

Possibly a new threat that Heaven, Hell (possibly human/Earth/Living...( D.O.R.K.S?) have to collab for survival. Thus, creating peace/truce when it defeated.