#masochistic!sam

[fandom-hoarder]

I'd say the trials are a large aspect of elucidating an underlying theme with Sam that pain is his penance for existing, or even for failing Dean. (See: s7 Defending Your Life, Sam telling Dean he feels good even despite Hallucifer because he went to hell and paid his dues, followed by s8 and all the guilt of not looking for Dean) There's also Sera Gamble's commentary re: SamRuby, where Sam's sexual relationship with Ruby represents self-harm, which is also connected to not saving Dean. And one might even say that the way Sam goes off the rails for Dean in s10 is a type of self harm, where Sam sort of sacrifices his own moral code all season to save Dean from the Mark.

BUT, I'd also say that calling it "canonical masochistic tendencies" is playing a bit fast and loose with interpretation, and that Sam requires some sort of impetus for these "tendencies" to show; they don't exist in a bubble, or as a kink, in canon. And as a baseline it's more about his faith and self worth than it is loving pain itself. But these are issues he struggles with---though in s12 we do get the lovely line that pain does not purge sin, and pretty much past that point he blames himself for things less, but he's not totally immune when it comes to certain issues.

Also, we have all the times Sam has shown what a high tolerance for pain, injury, and torture he has--- even inviting it as a stalling/intimidation tactic towards captors--- which I think also fuels this particular interpretation. Plus the fact that fandom plays fast and loose with vocabulary in general, in often aggravating ways that ignore convention.

Personally, I do love to play with their complementary sadomasochistic dynamic based on these ideas--- playing with how Sam's life has shaped and changed his relationship and trauma response to pain, to the point of ashamedly craving it when he "shouldn't"; playing with Dean's guilt over sadistic things he's done and the repressed urges that have been pulled out of him supernaturally; playing with how they can trust each other enough eventually to be vulnerable and open about these things--- but calling it hard canon is a very slanted and narrow reading of what's actually on screen.

I wish people would remember the word "headcanon," or the phrase "personal interpretation," and start using it, tbf. Hell, even "my fav reading" would serve better, imo.

have seen a few people lately saying that sam canonically has masochistic tendencies and. am I missing something? I see him using pain (esp wrt Hallucifer), and I see him accepting pain, and I see him taking pain, but I don’t see him enjoying it. Is that just referring to the Trials, where the whole (painful) process is giving him hope for catharsis/cleansing? Or are people speaking loosely?

(It’s entirely possible that I’m just a lot less likely than most people to use the word ‘canonically’ to describe things about a character’s interiority than other people.)

[boypussysam]

we had to teach sammy a lesson because he tried to leave. now he's a little scared of us, but he needs to understand that this is for his own good.

[lambmotifz]

honestly besides the fact that sam canonically doesn’t want to have physical control over dean (he prefers to be controlled by dean for many reasons, most of which come from his trust issues with himself & his masochistic tendencies) i also won’t ever be able to get into top!sam dynamic simply because aesthetically it’s so much less appealing to me than bottom!sam. when jared said “the idea that sam doesn’t use his brawn and size to save the day but he wants to restrain that power - that was very attractive to me”. he gets it. there’s something so delicious about the fact that sam doesn’t use his physical power to his advantage, and even more than that, some part of him craves the feeling of being restrained, the feeling of being small and maybe a bit helpless. and dean is canonically the only one with whom sam can allow himself to be vulnerable like that because dean is the only person he trusts unconditionally. and it drives me insane

[boykingscourt]

It was Dad who said if I was gonna go I should stay gone.

[pollsnatural]

The same poll about Amy is here.

[that-fox-thing]

Doing some animation rn

[therealteslathedog]

Behold! Sam and Max do the Masochism Tango!

[blacknidstang]

Alright so maybe i'm a complete insatiable bitch for painplay samdean where Sam is kinda masochistic but also has reason for needing the pain and Dean is so so reluctant to actively hurt Sammy but he cannot refuse his baby brother, especially not when Sam truly believes this is good for him. I love the self punishing aspect of it like the post purgatory guilt i wrote about here but also, also whetever can be set in s7 with Sam needing the phsyical pain to keep him grounded. He'd beg Dean for it because obviously he only ever trusts Dean and it's Dean hands that have the right to punish him, to cut through him, to stitch him back together, to tend his wounds and caress his hair. Because there's only one person who matters in this world who can be his hell and heaven and his god and his anchor and that's his big brother Dean. And if Sam needs Dean to make him cry in pain to banish Lucifer hallucinations away and define reality for him then Dean would do it. Even if that makes him sick he'll do it, fueled extra by a possessiveness due to Lucifer taking space inside Sammy.

[brainfilehasstoppedworking]

Gotta love watching new cops getting tased as the sorta final test to being an officer. Because I can imagine Takaaki, the rookie, being held by his fellow officers saying like "Okay, Takaaki, you ready?" And this man is shaking. So when he hears the count down and then is hit with the volts, broski is just screaming in pain and collapses on the floor

[boypussysam]

sam felt dirty for having sex with dean and only did it because he didn't want to make him angry, because (sometimes dean manipulated him into believing that he deserved to be punished) he prefered dean treating him gently than mistreating him in bed.

dean convinced sam to fulfill all of his weird fetishes; exhibitionism, feminization, sex in a church, sexy lingerie, etc. eventually sammy developed a taste for those things, so when dean went to purgatory, he spent his time looking for men to satisfy his desires, even convincing amelia to try it. but nothing and no one felt the same.

when dean came back he was different. sam had never seen him like that. he didn't know what to do to ease him, so he thought about putting into practice the skills he learned, but dean's reaction wasn't what he expected. he felt an uncontrollable rage.

instead of looking for him he spent his time whoring himself out. he needed to punish him.

and god. sammy didn't know how much he missed being punished by his big brother.

[lambmotifz]

speaking of hell trauma….it’s canon that post hell dean was still able to get boners (proof? 4.10 & 5.06!) but post hell sam apparently wasn’t because he stopped having sex after the wall was broken, at least for a while

[zirconpetals]

Tbh I think Sam & Max are more like "Likes to bite & likes being bitten" x "Is willing to indulge his partner in either"

[kingxgarm]

Goretober Day 10 "masochist"

Fandom: Sun and Moon Show

Pairing: Eclipse x Sun

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