#mark Antony’s speech

[dragons-and-pandas]

I always felt like the crozier/hickey speeches before the hanging in ep8 mirrored the Brutus/mark antony speeches from Julius Caesar except I can’t decide which is which

In terms of role and purpose crozier is more Brutus and hickey is mark antony I guess… But crozier’s refrain of “that was Mr hickey” reminds me of mark Antony’s “but Brutus said he was ambitious, and Brutus is an honourable man”

[pupkinpumpkin]

EVERYONE WAKE THE FUCK UP

[certifiedcoffeeaddict]

going absolutely feral over julius caesar by shakespeare

[panicbones]

there is smthn very special abt getting fucked up on classical literature. et tu brute is an incredibly famous line but seeing an annotation that said a writing which inspired the play wrote this line as "you too, my child?" is like getting hit in the head with rocks i think. add in the common belief that brutus is caesars son. plus the fact brutus was unequivocally caesars favorite. and brutus had to convince himself (on very shaky logic) to even go through with it. rocks to the skull attack attack attack

[tweedfrog]

Not to (once again) mine Ancient Roman history for ASOIAF content but someone should draw Joffrey Lannister with Ned Starks head in the style of Fulvia with the head of Cicero (esp where she's sticking golden hairpins in his mouth):

Like Joffrey was furious at Ned's implication that he wasn't Robert Baratheons son. I feel like he was angrier at that than at the bastardy and incest allegations somehow!!! Which uh. Is interesting someone should explore that.

[attila-werther]

literally richard burton's mark antony is everything to me

[neverwalka1one]

Why does this work so well???

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[mona-no-lisa12]

I JUST REALISED THAT IN THE FIRST PART OF MARK ANTONY'S FORUM SPEECH TO THE ROMAN CITIZENS

Antony says 'honorable' and 'ambitious' five times each. In Greek mythology, 5 is the number of Hermes, who's the messenger god and the god of communication and stuff.

Interesting detail?

Never ever thought I'd use Percy Jackson knowledge for Shakespeare 💀

[overtakemerchant]

In honor of my pookie bear JC getting whacked, here is my favorite excerpt about him and one of his husbands (that also *gave* away his kingdom to Julius when he died because he was so lustily down bad for him), King Nicomedes of Bithynia.

And here is Cicero being *so* mad JC was getting slammed by Nicomedes at 19, that he wrote a letter

[literaryvein-reblogs]

Writing Notes: Irony

In general, irony involves a contradiction between appearance and reality

In literature, irony is a deliberate gap between the language used and what is being discussed

Irony results when there is a difference in point of view between a character and the narrator or reader

4 Major Types of Irony

VERBAL IRONY

Verbal irony refers to spoken words only

Occurs when a character says one thing, but suggests or intends the opposite

The contrast is between what the speaker says and what he actually means.

For example, in Julius Caesar, Mark Antony repeats the words "and Brutus is an honorable man" in the famous “Friends, Romans, countrymen” speech

Mark Antony’s meaning, however, is that Brutus is completely dishonorable because Brutus, Caesar’s best friend, joined the other conspirators and plunged a knife into Caesar’s chest

Note: Verbal irony may be confused with sarcasm, but sarcasm is harsh and direct, while verbal irony is implied.

DRAMATIC IRONY

Dramatic irony involves more than just spoken words

Occurs when the meaning intended by a character's words or actions is opposite of the true situation

The contrast is between what the character says, thinks, or does and the true situation

Further, the character cannot see or understand the contrast, but the audience or reader can

For example, in Othello, dramatic irony occurs when Othello refers to Iago as “honest Iago”

Unknown to Othello, Iago is a villain who deceives him into thinking that Desdemona (Othello’s wife) has been unfaithful

For this, Othello unjustly kills his wife, believing the whole time in Iago’s honesty

Note the difference in examples for verbal and dramatic irony: Antony calls Brutus “honorable” and knows he is not honorable, while Othello calls Iago “honest” and does not know of Iago’s deceit.

SITUATIONAL IRONY

Situational irony defies logical cause/effect relationships and justifiable expectations

For example, if a greedy millionaire were to buy a lottery ticket and win additional millions, the irony would be situational because such a circumstance cannot be explained logically

Such a circumstance seems “unfair”

This sense of being “unfair” or “unfortunate” is a trademark of situational irony

Because people cannot explain the unfairness, it causes them to question whether or not the world makes sense

COSMIC IRONY (or IRONY OF FATE)

Some irony goes beyond being unfair and is morally tragic

Such irony is often so severe that it causes people to question God and see the universe as hostile

For example, if an honest, hard-working, and generous person buys a lottery ticket and wins ten million dollars, only to die in an auto crash two days later, the irony would reach tragic proportions

Such irony typically suggests that people are pawns to malicious forces

If these writing notes help with your poem/story, do tag me. Or send me a link. I'd love to read them!

Writing Notes & References

[ancientcharm]

'I only long for a couple of things: first, to free, upon my death, the Roman people; This will be the greatest favor that the immortal gods can grant me; the second, that what happens to each one is what he deserves according to the good or evil he has done to the republic. ' (M. T. Cicero, Philippicae, II)

Cicero wrote this Philippic when he already knew that he would soon be executed by Triumvirate.

Marcus Tullius Cicero (January 3, 106 BC - December 7, 43 BC) was a Roman politician, philosopher, writer and orator. He is considered one of the greatest rhetoricians of the Roman Republic.

He vehemently opposed the political coalition between Caesar, Pompey the Great and Crassus, a private arrangement between the three, known as the "Triumvirate", although modern historians agree against calling it that; "it was a gang of three," said Professor Mary Beard. "A three-headed monster," said Cicero, and was banished for a year for it.

After Caesar was proclaimed perpetual dictator, Cicero resigned from political life. Following Caesar's assassination, in which Cicero had no part, he returning and became an enemy of Mark Antony- who was taking Caesar's place, although he was never dictator as that office was abolished -attacking him in a series of speeches.

Caesar's nephew, adopted son and heir, Octavian, approached Cicero and convinced him of the advisability of supporting him to be consul, despite being a young man of 19 (he had to be at least 30 for that position) convincing him that they could thus get rid of the tyrant Mark Antony. Incredibly, Cicero fell right into the young man's trap. Octavian joined Mark Antony and Lepidus to create an Official Triumvirate, taking absolute control of politics and determined to eliminate all of Julius Caesar's opponents, including Cicero. The last hope of returning the Republic to normality was over.

Cicero was proscribed as an enemy of the state by the Triumvirate and executed by soldiers after being intercepted while trying to flee to the Italian peninsula. On 7 December 43 BC the Triumvir Mark Antony ordered his assassination and that his hands be displayed on the rostra in the Forum.

Cicero, consul in 63 BC, depicted in an 1889 fresco by Cesare Maccari, denouncing Catiline's conspiracy to overthrow the Republic and exposing his conspiracy before the Senate. When conspirators within the city were later arrested, Cicero referred their fate to the Senate, triggering a debate in which Caesar as praetor-elect participated.

Cicero, like Cato the Elder, was a so-called Homus Novus (new man). In ancient Rome, this was the name given to a politician, specially a Consul, who had no one in his family who had held public office; that is, he made his career not through family influence but on his own.

During the Middle Ages and the Renaissance Cicero was held in high esteem and his prestige increased during the Enlightenment of the 18th century. His works are among the most important from the Roman Republic.

Cicero is considered one of the most virtuous and appreciated men of his time for his unwavering love for the Republic, his political career built on his personal effort, his honesty, his immutable ideals and his courageous speeches against injustice or tyranny.

[backjustforberena]

something playing on my mind is this:

I love that you can easily play it as Cleopatra mollifying: of her comforting and pleading and valiantly trying to calm Antony down from his rage (he's just had a bloke whipped). As her swearing her love, of putting herself at his feet, prostrating and sighing. You know, Cleopatra would rather die than it be true, if her love is false then bring a plague, let her be damned and punished if she grows cold - she is only true and loyal and all of that. Just trying to make Antony believe her and that being her singular aim, super typically "feminine" of bending to his might. Or, at the very least, making it a quiet scene or a sad exchange. Just reading it, you can totally play it as that: as Cleopatra seeking to satisfy Mark Antony's doubts and him having power in that moment. And then you've got Eve Best taking the speech and being about ready to deck Antony for even suggesting that Cleopatra is "cold-hearted" towards Antony. That maybe it'd be easier if she was but sure, sure, let's go with that and let the whole world go into chaos. If that's true, let the Gods prove it, but it's not true, is it? He doubts her passions, she'll show him her passions! once again, I love the versatility of Shakespeare.

[whencyclopedia]

Legio IX Hispana

Legio IX Hispana served with Julius Caesar in Gaul and against Pompey in the Civil Wars. Later, it fought alongside Augustus in his Cantabrian Wars and was one of the four legions Claudius took with him in his invasion of Britain in 43 CE. It survived mutiny and near decimation twice, only to recover. Although suffering heavy losses during the revolt of Boudicca, the legion rebounded and accompanied Agricola in his war against the Caledonians. The legion disappeared sometime after 120 CE.

Caesar's Ninth Legion

In the time of Caesar (100-44 BCE) and Pompey (106-48 BCE), legions of the Roman army were known by a number, not a name. A Ninth Legion served under Caesar during his time as governor of Further Spain (Hispania Ulterior) and later in both his Gallic Wars and against Pompey in the Civil Wars. It was during the legion’s time under Caesar that it initiated a mutiny, and it almost cost the Ninth its existence. At Placentia in northern Italy, the army protested their meager pay and lack of spoils of war that often supplemented a Roman legionary's meager pay.

According to Philip Freeman’s Julius Caesar, he chose to address the legions as a whole. Considered by many to be a wise but firm leader, he spoke to them as spoiled children, telling them they were proud soldiers, not a horde of ravaging barbarians. Freeman considered the incident an example of Caesar’s style of leadership. He threatened to decimate the entire Ninth as both a punishment and a warning. In a decimation, every tenth man is executed. After his speech, the legionaries made a plea to save the guilty legion, a legion that had served him proudly in the past. He agreed only if given the names of the ringleaders of the mutiny. Twelve of them were chosen by lot and then executed.

The incident forgotten, Caesar and his legions continued on against Pompey. Although some sources claim the legion was disbanded, a Ninth was raised by Octavian (the future Roman emperor Augustus, r. 27 BCE - 14 CE) from Caesar’s veterans and used in his war against Mark Antony. Later, under Augustus, the Ninth (with the title of Macedonica) participated in his Cantabrian Wars (27-19 BCE), earning the new title of Hispaniensis (stationed in Spain) which was later shortened to Hispana. After its time in Spain, it was sent to the Balkans with Aquileia as its base.

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[cakemoney]

also is it bad that the minute amethar described the ceresian political scene as vacillating between ineffectual democracy and imperatorships i just immediately started imagining a production of julius caesar in which all of the characters are bread

watching a crown of candy makes me want to write so much because despite being an idiot who would be super bad at political intrigue i just really really love writing and thinking about writing political intrigue. it takes me forever because i'm a dumbass who has to take time to figure out what supersmart political machinations would look like but it's fun, dammit

[stinkw333d]

S2 Title Analysis

I had a lot of fun doing this, and now we're less than a week out from S3! Finally! I didn't notice until after posting last seasons' analysis that I didn't really find any connection to the adult timeline in those titles (not that they aren't there). It's harder to assign titles to just the one timeline this season. The adult survivors are together again, and it seems like the timelines are getting more muddled as they're forced to dive into their past.

Friends, Romans, Countrymen

-This is probably the most famous line from Julius Caesar by Shakespeare, and is said by Mark Antony 

- The next line is, “Lend me your ears” 

- The line obviously isn’t literal in the play, Mark is just telling everyone to listen to his funeral speech. Yellowjackets, on the other hand, said “oh we’ve got a spare ear to lend, homoerotically of course.” 

- The writers are honestly funny as fuck for this title, it’s just as clever and descriptive as St Transit Gloria Mundi. 

Edible Complex

-My brain almost always imagines a comma in this title, “edible, complex.” I almost wish they had put one in. The team is starving, the winter has driven off the animals, and… The wilderness slow-cooks Jackie. Jackie is… edible, and they’re obviously in… a complex scenario for that option to even be on the table. It’s almost like a caveman trying to explain the heaviness of the plot, “Jackie, edible! But, is complex…”

- I also just googled the phrase, and nothing came up besides an old article about an art installation at the BSU Burchfield Penney Art Center, with the same title (no comma). It seems unlikely that the writers were trying to connect the title of this episode with that installation, but there’s a quote from the article I read about it that I thought was worth adding, 

“These and other works in the exhibition offer a playful critique on the influences of what we consume. They explore connections that American society has to food, from the most basic need for survival and sustenance to the complicated behaviors of addiction, desire, manipulation and worship. Edible Complex helps us examine who we are, if we are what we eat.”

Digestif

- French for “digestive” 

- Bet they wished they had one this morning, eh?

- Essentially a fancy word for an alcoholic drink served after a meal. Typically some sort of liquor, or sherry. 

- RIP Jackie though you didn’t deserve all that

Old Wounds

- This is the first title that has anything to do with the adult timeline at all in my mind

- In the adult TL, Natalie is at Lottie's compound trying to get answers about Travis, trying to heal that decades old wound. She goes with Lisa to sell at the farmers market, and Lisa takes them on a detour to her mother’s house, to see her fish. Nat watches the two of them argue, tells Lisa’s mom to fuck off on her behalf, steals the fish, and then her and Lisa bond at a bar afterward. You have to assume Natalie sees herself in Lisa, I don’t think she’d do all that for just anybody (she probably also feels bad about, y’know, stabbing her). And then Lisa, with her piercings and dark eyeliner, asks her directly, “Do you still want to kill yourself?” to which Nat replies, “Not today!” and it does seem like the truth. Spending the day with Lisa really did seem to unexpectedly heal some wounds for Nat.

- Taissa, on the other hand, is reopening old wounds, violently. She’s fugue sleepwalking during the day, and whatever part of her is in charge, takes her to Van. I think as a collective fandom, we all always knew it was Tai who broke up with Van (and now we know for sure) so Tai is not only choosing to open her old wounds, but Van’s as well. Tai is honestly causing outrageous amounts of emotional and material distress for our poor sweet Van by searching her out. 

- Lottie too is reopening wounds, in a very literal sense. She’s hallucinating again, which, like Tai’s sleepwalking, hasn’t happened since the wilderness. She isn't satisfied with what her interim psychiatrist tells her about coping with her visions, and does what she knows she can trust to appease whatever she believes is causing them. She goes to an altar and offers blood, the cut she makes on her hand in the exact same place as what we saw teen Lottie do earlier in the episode. 

- Shauna and Jeff open and close wounds like it’s their job. Almost everything about their dynamic, and what they do throughout the show, is like putting bandaids on bullet wounds. Their entire marriage is built on the scar of a wound, they’re literally one of the best fail couples I’ve ever seen. 

Two Truths and A Lie

-Said it in the episode, Walter tries to start a game of two truths and a lie with Misty (where he chooses not to lie)

-There’s a lot of spilling truths and telling lies in this episode in general. It makes sense that Misty wasn’t into the game though, seeing what happened the last time she was overly truthful with someone.

Qui 

-We’re doing French again!

-It’s a relative pronoun, and when translated, can mean “who, which, or that” 

-I tend to skip this one in rewatches due to the heaviness of the content, but I did put it on in the background while I analyzed this seasons’ titles. No connection to the title really came to me until the end, when Shauna actually wakes up after labor, she starts accusing the rest of the team, “What did you do? Where is he?” Which, translated to French is, “Qu'est-ce que tu as fait? où est-il?” 

-I assumed there would be some sort of double meaning here, but it seems like it’s just a line from the episode title. “Qu’est” is just “Qui” conjugated, as far as I can remember from my HS French class. 

-God Sophie Nelisse staring the camera down in the last moments of the episode, sobbing, asking you, the viewer, “Why can’t you hear him crying?!” Wish she wouldn’t! 

Burial

- Pretty literal. The snow stops, and Shauna buries her baby. 

- She also takes all of her sorrow and rage out on Lottie, in the least helpful way for any of them, and beats the shit out of her. Lottie acknowledges that Shauna has barely processed everything that’s happened to her. What went down with Jackie, and now her baby is dead, there’s only so much she can take. She can’t keep everything buried inside her forever. We saw that Shauna is barely holding it together as is when she finally snapped at Jackie before she died. Once Shauna really truly snaps on Lottie, though, that scene almost functions as a prequel, a sneak peek into what Shauna really has going on behind her sad, haunted, brown eyes. 

-Obviously adult Shauna hasn’t worked past this pattern of behavior (Everything With Adam, taking the gun from the carjacker, seeking out and threatening the carjacker, Bruce the goat)

- Adult Nat talks about her own memories of the wilderness being hazy, and Tai finishes “Like they’ve been stuffed somewhere (buried) deep down?” 

-Tai is honestly lord supreme of burying emotions and exploding later, it’s just in a more slow-burn kind of way

- I got into this show pretty recently, but I wish I could have seen the fandom-wide reactions to Qui and this episode, as they came out. Like Shauna literally punched Misty and bit Van, all in one breath, before almost killing Lottie, what the fuck?? 

It Chooses

-A parallel episode to Doomcoming in my mind, due to it also being the penultimate episode of the season, and because of what plays out. 

-Doomcoming was obviously a sort of kick-start to the girls’ sanity, and regular societal reasoning chipping away out there, and we get a teaser of a hunt when they chase Travis down in the woods. 

-At this point, Lottie has told them that she doesn’t want to go to waste if she dies, so the rest of the girls essentially decide to trade one of their lives for hers. 

-Nat draws the queen, Javi dies in her place, because Misty saves Nat.

-(god everyone’s face when Nat draws the queen… Shauna putting the necklace on her… “you’re gonna have to look me in the eye,” it all makes me hold my breath.)

-I am a Misty apologist forever, and I will probably post about her soon, but I have a sort of headcannon that Misty is kind of treating her time in the wilderness like an experiment, or at least, like she’s a scientist observing one. At this point I don’t think she has any more faith in Lottie than Shauna or Nat do, but she’s participating anyway, observing. She says all the right things to Lottie and about Lottie in front of Mari, #1 member of the Wilderness Cult, knowing Mari already doesn’t like her. It's far easier for Misty to get Mari’s help caring for Lottie, if she believes Misty also believes that Lottie is the reason they’re all still alive (fuck Misty’s drag though, huh, Mari? Did Lottie take the red cross babysitters class, twice? Did you??)

-It’s also pretty clear in this episode that Misty knows what’s really going on with Lottie, she knows she’s not psychic, she’s mentally ill. 

-Adult Lottie also claims, to the other survivors, that they didn’t all just come back together by chance, “it chooses what It wants,” It chose to bring them all together again. 

Storytelling

-TLDR Misty to Lottie: “We both know what’s really happening to you, you can bullshit them, and keep with this wilderness nonsense, but you cannot bullshit me. They had this idea because of you, so you’d better be grateful I even had the foresight to save your girlfriend’s life on top of it.” 

-The adult survivors agree to a “traditional hunt” at Lottie’s request to “give It what It wants, It won’t stop until It gets what It wants.” We get to see that the events of the first hunt essentially established the ritual for the hunts that came after. The choice to submit or be hunted, established by Nat. The acceptance that the wilderness will always make the final choice. Nat was the first to choose the queen, and “It” chose Javi to die in her place. Shauna draws the queen in the current day hunt, but Lottie still accepts Nat’s death as what “It” wanted. 

-I am desperate to know what happens if you refuse the draw

-The episode is aptly named, it really establishes what the big secret has been the whole time, the story that only existed in the minds of the survivors and the pages of Shauna’s journals; the story the whole world wants to hear, that the Yellowjackets are desperate to keep hidden

[attila-werther]

okay, tomorrow I'm going to finish writing a draft of the scene between antony and trebonius where trebonius will later realize is a crack in the antony-caesar dynamic