#marissa morales

[mischas]

i think you’ve talked abt this on the blog before but the js decision that sethmer was the “light/fun” couple and ryissa was the “dark/angsty” couple genuinely aided in the destruction of the show. the balance was so much better in s1 - there’s a sweetness to ryissa that’s never replicated again (for obvious bts reasons ofc, but the writing didn’t help either) and the push and pull of sethmer feels rlly natural instead of how contrived it becomes in late s2 and with the college arc. having the comic book storyline happen alongside the trey storyline is laughable and is probably when the show starting jumping the shark when it comes to relationships. there was so much depth to sethmer that got wasted and of course josh & stephanie’s only storyline ideas for marissa were just ways to punish mischa.

It absolutely did. It's ridiculous and shoots them all in the foot early. The shifts in s2 were massively impacted by irl stuff though so bts dynamics and writing were going hand in hand. I reckon they were going hand in hand all the way back in s1 too and we just didn't totally know about that until recently. At least I didn't. Not as much, at least. The bts stuff also comes from JS' preference for Rachel and SS as his self-insert relationship that only grows as s1 progresses. It just does, and that we've known for a long time. I think there was some old late s1 press saying the writers were partial to SS and were never gonna make them unlikeable. And it's just like... ok then. First off, being likeable has nothing to do with emotional resonance and grounded storytelling. There's a reason Adam says their stuff should've been stretched for entire seasons to really make things impactful and tell a worthwhile story. And I think he says it in the nicest way possible, but he's basically saying they never made it meaningful enough. Or at least beyond s1 they didn't.

Seth's 127 departure is so impactful on 201 and that iconic scene at the end of 202 but then it's mentioned like... one more time in 214? Summer spends s2 mad at him but flirting with him in the same breath. And that's fun but like... give us something meatier. We later learn in 310 that Summer's mother abandoned her. Let's dig into that!! And how Seth leaving and coming back expecting a reunion was incredibly fucked up! But they just do not go there ever in a real way and it's too bad. Seth has done fuck all to deserve Summer's forgiveness/love in 214 but he gets it anyway. And his obsessing over her sex life is not cute!!!!

I'm sure I've written entire books worth of content about RM needing more lightness. Their s1 balance being what it is just makes me more sus of bts influence. Marissa's dealing with SA/death/violence/depression/substance abuse this whole time and they can never spread that wealth around to ensure everyone's got some good drama going on. It's essentially that Squidward window meme from s2 on, lol.

[gavfleetout]

Adrian Everhart?

[ikosburneraccount]

we’re the tlc caucasian bday szn now (thorne > jacin > cress > scarlet)

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[zamyamf1028]

Someday you will find me

Beneath the landslide

In a champagne supernova in the sky

[tandonshows]

This week, You Are What You Love returns. During our season break, things have shifted in the entertainment industry. The WGA strike has continued, and SAG-AFTRA has joined them on the picket line in the fight for a fair deal with the AMPTP. In this special episode, we're joined by four WGA members, Elyse Morales, George Ghanem, Kyle Lau, and Charlotte Austin Johnson. 

We talk about how each of them became working writers and members of the WGA, their personal experiences in the industry and what they're fighting for while on strike, and the moments in media that inspired them to become writers in the first place.  Listen to the episode now below, or 

find You Are What You Love on your favorite podcast app here. 

[trans-queen-administrator]

Sundancer is such a heartbreaking character. She's a genuinely nice person working to improve her life and escape her controlling mother and then she's plunged into hell with her friends and is forced to watch as her best friend is changed into a crude mockery of her former self. And then she's finally got a way out, the terrifying bug girl and her team secured her a way home, and her realization when given the opportunity to go home fucking wrecks me honestly.

She's just so fundamentally changed by her time on Bet, and she knows this. She'll never be the Marissa she was again because now she has blood on her hands, and before she goes home she needs to kill one last person. So she burns her best friend, her lifeline, maybe even her crush, even as Echidna begs and screams and promises wrath upon the world and calls her by the nickname Noelle always did. She takes a life on purpose this time, because even leaving Earth Bet demands she falls a bit more and compromises her morals one final time.

This is the part of the scene that really fucks with me though. She's fucking tearing into her costume, removing every part of the cape persona she hates so much and throwing it to the ground to melt, because she so desperately wants to detach herself from Earth Bet and cape society and her powers that aren't good for anything except destruction and hurting others. But it's not enough. She can remove every single part of her costume, try to pretend her time on Bet never happened, never use her power again, but she'll never actually be able to escape. This passage brings attention to the subtler part of her power, the self-protection that makes everything in about a 6 foot radius around herself a normal temperature (probably room temperature). The pavement cools and hardens in her wake, because even if she's not using her power she's stuck with it and it'll always have that normal temperature field active. Every single time she tries to take a bath and the water cools to be lukewarm instantly, or she goes out in the winter time and someone asks why it's warm around her, or her ice cream melts, or her meal is the same temperature as everything she'll eat for the rest of her life, she'll be reminded of her powers and what she did. The cold will never bite at her skin, she'll never feel the warmth of someone else's touch, she'll just find so many little things in her life from then on refusing to let her pretend she's normal and fine and that she didn't kill her best friend and that she's over Earth Bet. Her powers will never go away, and they'll never let her forget that even if she vows to never use her sun. I love Mars, she's forced to do horrible things for reasons entirely out of her control, and she'll never escape that. Whether she wants to be or not, she's a cape now and forever.

[hiddenvioletsgrow]

Marissa Fittes is an iconic evil girlboss with her evil emotional support ghost, which makes it way better that Lucy, with her morally dubious emotional support ghost, and hot, reckless boyfriend defeated her

[whocaresstillthelouvre]

WIP Wednesday Thursday Friday

Thank you for the tags @whocaresstillthelouvre (lol I just tagged myself, that's where my brain is today.) ANYWAYS, thank you for the tags @magpiepills and @sawymredfox

I have a loose idea for 2000's house party shenanigans and meeting Frankie Morales (shout out to the camp Discord) before the cops break up the party. I'm going to take A LOT of inspo from the shenanigans @ohheypedrito and I shared from our early/late teens. Like a ton of indie kids hanging out listening to good music, getting high and getting drunk. HOW DID WE SURVIVE MARISSA?!

Three drinks in. Your limbs hang looser, your smile beams wider. You feel good. It’s been a long week, work has been awful, your roommates are somehow even more annoying, not to mention the damn parking ticket you got yesterday.... you need this night.   You can’t keep your eyes off of the tan skinned, espresso eyed man across the table, he’s here with some guys you’ve never met… all friendly, all attractive, all talkative, besides him. He nurses a red Solo cup most of the night, occasionally taking a hit of the joint he passes around with his friend, also brown eyed and cute.  “Hey!” you shout over the music, your bravery strengthened by the alcohol buzzing inside you, “can I have a hit?” His eyes meet yours when he reaches the joint out to you, your breath hitches when you notice how thick his fingers are wrapped around the cigarette.

I'm also working on my entry for @burntheedges' trope challenge. The biggest, gushiest thank you to @maggiemayhemnj for giving me this cabin idea for Joel and reader.

“Nervous flyer?” you ask. “You could say that,” he grumbles. “Never liked giving up control of my life to someone I don’t know.” “I understand that, but this happens to millions of people a day, you only hear about the bad.” “I get that,” he chuckles, quickly stopping as the plane begins to roll on the tarmac. “Still don’t have to like it.”  “Well, I fly all the time, I’m sure everything will go smoothly.”  “Here’s hoping,” he sighs, sinking deeper into the seat. 

THEN THIRD. I'm also working on the follow up to Golden Girl.

You don’t know if it was the exhaustion of your marriage ending or Dieter’s body against yours, but you haven’t slept that well in years. You gently back away and watch him rest. Fluffy, tousled hair spreads across the pillow, his parted plush lips gently percolate out snores, the lines across his face are much gentler and relaxed in his slumber. The sunlight peeking through the curtain lights a strip across his face that turns his skin golden and dark hair almost hazel. You usually don’t allow yourself to look at him, constantly fighting the pull you’ve always had towards him. That night in the dive bar, kissing his whiskey soaked lips, the deep rumble of laughter left against your lips when you pulled away. You could have had him, and yet you were too enamored by his handsome blue eyed friend who said all the things you wanted to hear a man tell you. Warren was always good at saying everything you wanted to hear, even when half of the time he was lying. You feel so idiotic.

As for tags, I'm *SO* late but I'm still going to tag, if you've posted, please tag me so I can swoon over your writing.

@mothandpidgeon, @justagalwhowrites, @yopossum, @luxurychristmaspudding, @schnarfer

[kaftan]

Some Notes on Arcs 18-20

(Long post! Here there be ramblings! Sorry)

- I forgot this was an arc 18 moment till I checked — Taylor feeling seduced (her words) by Dinah’s power, longing to hold on to her despite her mission being to free her… goosebumps. I love how the villains she hates rub off on her, worm (ha) into her.

- And then describing the act of returning her to her home as throwing away a resource… something that felt dumb to do… being proven right, in a sense, in arc 20, when it comes back to bite her… I’m reminded of some dialogue from animorphs that I’ll have to paraphrase, something about how what matters isn’t what’s right or wrong, it’s what’s expedient. Taylor isn’t all the way there yet, but feels like a matter of time.

- More on Taylor and morality: it’s fascinating to see her go through the same rough trajectory for every major battle — she starts from her baseline, being disturbed at the notion of seriously hurting or killing anyone, slowly numbs that sentiment with plenty of half-hearted strands of reasoning, eventually escalates to the point of cold-blooded violence or the enablement of such… and feels nothing. “Dissociation as an integral aspect of being” moment!

- I love Jessica Yamada. Not enough to read Ward, I have my limits. Getting a better perspective on the “all Amy’s horses and all Amy’s men couldn’t put Victoria back together again” situation was a treat. I love the horror elements in Worm. I love the horror of having the face of your trauma etched into the folds of your brain.

- Met Sveta! People on tumblr namedrop her a lot, to the point where I wondered if she’d been introduced before and I forgot. She’s a darling.

- Lily’s meltdown about Skitter… you can’t even look straight at her without feeling your skin crawl ❤️ but she sounds idealistic and naive even with cockroaches and bees crawling over her face ❤️ she starts making sense ❤️

- [Trickster voice] my beautiful gamer princess with a disorder… talk to me…

- This quote here:

“I mentioned it in passing to Miss Militia,” I said, “Better that you tell the truth and say we pushed hard for it. Blame me.”

“No,” Regent said, “Blame me.”

I shot him a look, and he shrugged. “Just wanted to get in on the fun,” he said.

says so much about Alec, lmao. It flagged in my brain because it’s the second time I’ve consciously noted it: his jokes about wanting to be included speak volumes. The truth he does not dare to know, etc etc

- Taylor “we cannot rule out human sacrifice” Hebert

- Marissa: She’s my friend. / Taylor: Was. It’s a big difference. Fast forward: Emma interlude, crossing paths at Arcadia. I love storytelling.

- Speaking of the Emma interlude: reading about Taylor’s bullying always makes me feel queasy; this was bone nausea on a deep level. What happened to Taylor is like if your worst fears about other people came true. You know, the nagging worry that you’re a burden, that a late text means I don’t want to be your friend. The worry that any reasonable person will tell you to ignore. How the fuck do you come back from living that nightmare?

Reminds me of Amy, how what happened to her is like if your worst fears about yourself came true.

- Everyone always talks about Taylor’s repressed rage but holy shit her repressed rage. What a character. What a character. I love her fantasies of violence. I love how much she basks in that meager catharsis.

- There’s something beautiful about how effortless the supervillain persona is for Taylor. (Every you is the real you, you are the mask and the wearer, etc.) Her standoff against Dragon and Defiant might be one of my favorite scenes yet. The perfectly affected nonchalance, the hanging threats toward hostages (becoming a theme), the mile-a-minute plotting, the grandiose gestures, the leveraging of fear… she’s a wonder and a terror.

- When she smiles and Clockbocker says “Fuck me, it just sunk in. It’s really her.” :-)))

- “and so that Defiant could make something resembling an apology as part of his twelve step assholes anonymous process” I fucking love you Taylor I love you forever

[mischas]

do you think ryan/marissa would ever cheat on a legit significant other with each other?

Yes. I think Marissa is more likely to based on the skewed models of love and fidelity she saw and still sees in her parents. I can see her marrying young (an elopement for sure) and not conforming to the idea of monogamy all that well because the person she's married to just doesn't make her feel all that much. They're sweet and treat her well and they have a decent life together but it's not what she envisioned. It's working long hours and being annoyed by the other in the same living space. Marissa thought loving someone and marrying them would block out every impulse. That she would want Ryan less due to a ring on her finger. Being in the same city as Ryan is dangerous because they're drawn to one another like moths to a flame. They hooked up during the holidays all through college and find it hard to break that pattern when their families are together and their s/o's aren't in town. Even during college when Ryan was dating people, one making it to the year mark, it never felt like cheating to kiss and sleep with Marissa on New Year's Eve. There are just things that don't feel wrong. And those hookups held no promises or talks of what it all meant, it was just something they did.

I think by the time Ryan is serious enough with someone to indicate that he won't make it to NYC where Marissa lives for NYE (and SS always make the trip too) he feels a strange sensation in cutting it off. The guilt and longing in it. In some ways it feels like they've been dating for ten years. Marissa says she's fine with it but is also confounded over how not fine she is. For years she's told Summer that their situation is exactly what works best for them but stopping completely almost feels like it adds more meaning to it than they've acknowledged. If it means nothing then why is stopping so hard? And why now? Post NYE Marissa starts thinking seriously about her marriage and how frayed it is. Ends up coming clean to her spouse and is shocked that they always knew. When she tells Ryan a month later that she's coming to Newport to visit Julie and Kaitlin, he hates how excited he is. She is very chill about saying it's cool that they don't meet up in private but also tells him she's getting a divorce. Just so you know. Which makes him very, very confused but also happy.

[freddycartr]

i just finished supernova and need someone to scream with. because holy fuck, this trilogy was fucking incredible. the characters, the complexity of the world building, the found fucking family and the relationships were beautiful. nova was so fucking badass and i love that she was actually morally grey. i have loved marissa meyers books since the lunar chronicles, and i immediately felt at home with this story and characters. i never have felt at home with a series that i haven’t read.

[angelsgalore]

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hi, my name is victoria !! i also go by vicky or v <3

i’m an eighteen-year-old (she/her) latina (honduran) and i am from the usa. i’m a daughter of aphrodite, a resident of hufflepuff, and a lover of all things girly, pretty, and pink. i love tumblr, so i decided to start posting on here :)

currently reading: looking for alaska

currently watching: how i met your mother

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shows: glee, teen wolf, psych, criminal minds, merlin, bones, the o.c., friends, pretty little liars, abbott elementary, modern family, the flash, arrow, sex and the city, daredevil, one tree hill, etc.

movies: she’s the man, the perks of being a wallflower, how to lose a guy in ten days, marvel, the virgin suicides, sleeping beauty, spider-man: itvs & atsv, batman: under the red hood, dead poets society, little women (2019), charlie’s angels, etc.

books: the perks of being a wallflower, percy jackson and the olympians, the hunger games, a thousand splendid suns, the virgin suicides, a good girl’s guide to murder, stalking jack the ripper, speak, turtles all the way down, etc.

music: fiona apple, jeff buckley, chappell roan, taylor swift, green day, fleetwood mac, ABBA, adrienne lenker, lana del rey, mitski, phoebe bridgers, radiohead, olivia rodrigo, sabrina carpenter, cigarettes after sex, mazzy star, boygenius, alex g, etc.

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thoughts on cresswell age gap? i don't really see the big deal to be honest /gen😭

A 4-year age gap is nothing. A 4-year age gap when one party is underage, well then that's where the issue lies. However neither of them are manipulative and it's clear (especially in wires and nerve) that they have an equal power dynamic in their relationship. Marissa also explicitly states that there's nothing sexual happening. So is the relationship inherently doomed solely by the age gap? No. Is Cress too young to date him? At this stage, probably yes. Cress lacks a lot of life experience, so I feel that maybe she should have some independence before dating anyone, even someone her own age.

Thorne is also fairly inexperienced in being a good, moral person--something he openly admits. So he too could do with a bit of shaping up before his first proper relationship. A lot of people in the fandom are teens, so Thorne being 20 may seem old, but honey, he's a baby. And a cringey, dumb baby at that. An interesting alternative ending to Winter would be for Cress and Thorne to not start dating, but rather leave the possibility open for future, and then in Stars Above we see that they followed that through.

I still ship Cresswell, more so when they are older (because I particularly love how she gets snarky as time goes by). I understand why people are uncomfortable with it but I also see why others are fine with it. I don't get offended either way. I'm in the middle and I personally headcanon that Cress and Thorne date and eventually break up due to their mutual immaturity, then get back together when they are both older and wiser.

I'm going to have a bit of a rant here. What I don't like about discourse relating to age gaps across multiple fandoms is the strange hailing of 18 being a magical number that automatically makes you a full-grown adult in terms of maturity. Also, the blanket assertion that any relationship involving a legal minor and a legal adult is morally abhorrent and contemptible. A 19-year-old dating a 31-year-old? Obviously problematic. A 17-year-old dating an 18-year-old? Completely fine, and yet some treat it with the same severity.

I've seen people get up in arms that Cinder and Kai are dating when she's 16 and he's 18, calling it "disgusting." 16 and 18! 18-year-olds are still just teenagers with some extra legal perks. Cinder and Kai are only 1 year and 8 months apart. When Cinder was a crying, screaming baby, Kai was--you guessed it--a crying, screaming toddler. There is no power imbalance due to age difference here. Chill out 😂

The biggest age gap is Scarlet and Wolf, 18 and 23 respectively. If she were 17, the fandom would despise the ship. But because of her being 18, it's considered perfectly fine. And take a look at Levana and Evret's relationship. She is far younger than him, but we all know who the abusive party is. So when it comes to the age gaps in the series, I tend to just take my own balanced view on it rather than weighing solely on the numbers.

If I had been Marissa's editor back in the day, would I have her encouraged her to boost up Cress's age to 18 to spare her much criticism? Absolutely. But ultimately, these details and the subsequent conversations are a good thing; upcoming authors will see previous decisions and change for the better.

[bloodbuzz-ohio]

I’ve only seen the Oliver storyline once when that’s when it premiered and I wanted to put my head through the wall. I can’t watch it again.

It is the woooooorst because not only is it very, very unfair to Marissa, who genuinely believes this guy shares her mental health and substance abuse issues in good faith, but it postures Ryan forever as Always Right. It justifies Ryan's behavior in the era simply because He Was Right. And it's never discussed or rectified in the aftermath. For the rest of the show Marissa is basically always playing catch-up to his moral superiority. (A Problem.......... I ship them with the idea that this is very much addressed and dealt with in college along with the Other Stuff)

And what is the Oliver storyline saying about mental illness? What is it saying that they equate Oliver being evil and manipulative to his mental health and substance abuse issues? Is Oliver evil because of these issues? Is he evil at all or is he just really sick? I know this was 2004 but still. What is it saying about Marissa's struggles in turn? Even to this day I don't see even a tiny bit of reckoning with this storyline besides defending the ratings during it and how polarizing/enraging it was. And a massive, massive part of that is Taylor Handley's performance, but from what I've read I think the role lowkey derailed his career for a while. Most people in 2004 who saw his face were going to associate him with the infamous Oliver storyline. It's too bad the book and podcast didn't involve him at all.

[alwaysspeakshermind]

Who was the worst in The Hunger Games, snow or coin?

Why?

Thank you. @curiousnonny

Oh, man.

I have a *lot* of feelings on this particular subject (one of my favorite things about THG trilogy is that it places in the antagonist role two good examples of my most loathed types of villains: politicians kidding but not really), so thanks for the ask!

Coin:

While I personally despise her subtle, lay-low/don't-strike-until-you-see-the-whites-of-their-eyes approach, I respect her commitment to winning, and I love that she was the one who got to unseat Snow.

That being said...I can't forgive her for the win-at-all-costs mindset that led her to use some of the most morally-reprehensible tactics I can think of when it comes to fighting (torturing citizens, trying to send a possible political rival to their death, sending the family member of said possible rival to an all but certain doom simply to eliminate the rival's will to live, treating The Other Side's children as expendable, etc.). I think she represents one of the most dangerous types of villains you see (both in fiction and in real life) because she presents herself as the sane, moderate, People's Champion type of leader who stands in opposition to oppression and brutality, but the regime she presents is simply severe and restrictive in different ways she's not advertising, and she is every bit as willing to sit back and watch people die as long as they are not her people...also, she truly doesn't care who she steps on, kicks aside, or ruins in her (quiet) quest for power.

[I also have this theory that she's named Coin because she and Snow have this two-sides-to-the-same-coin duality and we're meant to understand that while she's coming at things from a different angle than Snow, she has the same hunger for power and ruthless desire to maintain stability no matter the human cost.]

Snow:

[Another quick side note: I am a huge proponent of TBOSAS. It's my favorite villain origin story (Marissa Meyer's Fairest is probably the only other book that comes close for me), and I personally think it's Suzanne's Collins' best work and everyone should read it because it shows the fine line/slippery slope between a mindset of understandable self-preservation and the sort of arrogance-driven inhumanity that leads people into committing atrocities against each other or standing back and allowing the atrocities to happen. I will literally never NOT recommend this book but, that being said, I'm not going to reference Snow's actions in this book as they occur outside the realm of THG trilogy.]

While I allow a grudging respect for his logic, strategic efficiency, and commitment to being straightforward/open with Katniss about his dislike for her, I hate Snow's cruelty with a burning passion, and his utter contempt for people he deems "lesser" makes my blood absolutely boil. Yes, pragmatism is a thing. Yes, it is difficult being a leader. Yes, leaders do sometimes face a choice between saving the lives of many at the cost of a few.

But the thing about Snow is that he is simply intent on maintaining power whatever the (human) cost and to me, that crosses a line. No, he isn't the creator of the Games, but he does hold the power to end them. Does he end them? No. Instead, he not only chooses to keep them going, but deliberately finds ways to change the rules in his own favor, thus making an already-unfair, practically hopeless situation that much more unfair and hopeless. To intimidate the districts/instill fear in all citizens outside the Capitol, he makes sure they remember that they are only allowed to exist because of the Capitol's mercy, and that if they want to be allowed to keep that existence, they will have to abide by the Capitol's terms. Sending children into the Games as a form of punishment would be barbaric enough if it were just after the districts' uprising but, as we know from the books, that's not even the case...the children who are being killed in the games are the descendants of the original rebel districts, so forcing them to pay for the supposed sins of their grandparents/possible great-grandparents is beyond evil.

Also, there's this other thing his actions ultimately engineer/shape, and that's the twisted Capitol reality. Like all smart-but-evil dictators, he doesn't just rely on the weeding out of his enemies/the intimidation of the group he has declared "lesser." He also uses the Capitol citizens and their (very natural, very human) desire for peace and prosperity to create allies for himself by reinforcing this idea of Us vs Them, by drawing a distinction between Capitol children (precious, must be protected at all costs) and District children (expendable, animalistic, Other™ ). It's not a new tactic; it's one all kinds of groups/armies/organizations/governments use to engender hate and distrust, but it's a highly effective one in a world like the Capitol, where everyday life is so shiny and fun and distracting that it's easy for people to detach themselves from the reality that they're watching 24 children murder each other every year. And the thing about that, even if the Capitol citizens don't know it (or pretend not to know it), is that Snow encouraging them to celebrate the Games and view the districts as less than human is also costing the Capitol citizens their humanity in return (aka, panem et circenses, where you shelve or hand over your morality in exchange for food/comfort/entertainment etc.). So, altogether, while Snow is not actively getting his hands dirty by killing people himself (excluding those poison deaths, possibly), he is routinely arranging the murders of innocents, recruiting and corrupting (or destroying) everyone he possibly can, and he's doing it all in the name of peace.

All of those things combined pretty much enrages me, so ultimately, my opinion boils down to this:

Both Coin and Snow are effective leaders and terrible people whose desire for power and control push them into crossing lines that should not be crossed. But out of the two, Snow is the worst.