#malladus was kind of there

[casa-delle-galline]

Does anyone think that Spirit Tracks’ kingdom of New Hyrule should be changed to something different? I personally do because by calling the kingdom “New Hyrule”, it is, one; uncreative and redundant, and two; completely disregarding the ending of The Wind Waker in saying that they should let go of the past and Hyrule is gone, that the land Tetra and Link would establish their new home would not be an old kingdom long gone, but it would be their land.

So I’ve decided to give it my own name; The Kingdom of Ferrovia (it means ‘railroad/railway’ in Italian, and it sounds and looks pretty).

[linderosse]

Wielders of Wisdom: Introductions Part 4

Phantom (Guardian) [ST]

Driven and determined; orderly; kind of a diva

Surprisingly strong after Malladus fortified her body for his own use

She started dating Spirit after he renounced his hero status to go back to being a humble train engineer. Orders him around all the time (they genuinely love each other).

Her singing voice is enchanting :)

Story: [Locked until further notice]

Echo/Aurora (Dreamer) [EoW, CoH, AoL]

Once, she was a hero. Now she’s Depressed^TM.

Doesn’t sleep much anymore. Barely holding it together for Dawn’s sake

Desperately misses her home, her family, and Silent. Very fond of Hyrule and Dawn. A small part of her is bitterly jealous that Dawn gets to be summoned away into other eras, while Aurora seems to be trapped after the Great Decline— but she loves Dawn and would never begrudge her that opportunity.

Her first and second adventures have made her an excellent dancer

Story: Since her awakening, Aurora has done her best to be the older sister Dawn never had. But the world is still devastated by the Great Decline, mistrust runs rampant, and it’s hard adapting to life centuries in the future. Dawn keeps telling her about the other Zeldas, but neither Dawn nor Aurora have been able to summon the others to their era, and Aurora hasn’t been able to leave. Aurora will do what it takes to support Dawn’s goal to help their people prosper— but who knows? She might be keeping secrets of her own…

< Part 3

Masterpost

[tokiro07]

Still thinking about past Zeldas getting their own games

Obviously not all of them have enough going on to really warrant their own games, though that shouldn't stop anyone from giving them something to do, but which ones lend themselves to getting new stories the best?

Ocarina of Time is a pretty easy one with a seven-year gap for her to train herself up as Sheik. Sheik is extremely popular and has a lot of demand for her own game, even getting optioned for one by Retro once, so it's both the easiest to pitch and seems like the most likely to happen

Wind Waker's Tetra is similar, being super popular and having a large gap in her history that could easily house any number of adventures. Tetra spent who knows how many years at sea, and could easily have fought all kinds of monsters or discovered all kinds of treasures. We could even get her and Link finding the land that will become New Hyrule, defeating some kind of evil before its founding, like Malladus perhaps

Skyward Sword also provides ample opportunity with Zelda going on her own adventure one step ahead of Link at pretty much all times, though literally "Skyward Sword's levels but playing as Zelda" doesn't sound like a very worthwhile story. If they can find a way to keep it fresh, I'm all for it, but it may be better to have her exploring the Surface after the people of Skyloft begin migrating down to it

Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom has a gap between games, while also having the events of the Imprisoning War, though neither seems much like something they're interested in continuing to explore since we got to see so much of it already. It might be easier to just continue exploring the Depths or the lands surrounding Hyrule to get a deeper understanding of the Zonai's culture and historical impact

Pretty much all of the other Zeldas weren't very active in their own stories and don't leave a lot to the imagination, so any stories involving them would definitively have to be post-game rather than mid- or pre-game. Of these, the most interesting candidates would likely be:

Twilight Princess's Zelda investigating the Twilight Realm and looking for a way to reunite Link and Midna to repay them for their help in saving Hyrule. This could give us an opportunity to see more of the Twilight Realm and understand its ecology and culture while also giving us more insight into Midna herself. Personally I'd rather have a Midna game than a Twilight Zelda game, but I have a harder time seeing that pitch going through

Link Between Worlds, same thing, but Hilda and Lorule; Zelda may go back to check on how reviving their Triforce worked out and may end up facing some new villain who's trying to steal it. Again, I'd like to play a Hilda (or Ravio) game, but I'll accept any excuse to spend more time in Lorule and expand on its history and it's version of the Triforce; does it symbolize different traits, does it have its own goddesses, what?

Adventure of Link's Zelda I is definitely not a well-remembered or beloved character, but I think that the story angle of a princess waking up after countless years to find her descendant has taken the throne provides an excellent opportunity for characterization. Perhaps she feels out of touch with her kingdom having been away for so long, or maybe she feels unneeded since there's already a reigning princess? A search to find herself and possibly a confrontation with the spirit of the wizard who cursed her would make for a great plot, especially if they can find a way to incorporate the other Zelda like having the player control both with different abilities to help differentiate them. Unlikely, but certainly the most novel and the one I personally want to see most

Spirit Tracks's Zelda returned to her body in the end, presumably removing her ability to control Phantoms, so it's harder to see how she'd get to go on further adventures. However, it was stated that Byrne would reincarnate sooner or later, so that would at least provide a story opportunity even if new mechanics would be necessary

Minish Cap, Four Swords, and Four Swords Adventures don't really give Zelda much reason to go on an adventure post-game, but again, neither did Link to the Past, and if I'm right Echoes of Wisdom is branching off of a hypothetical ending where Ganon took Link with him as he was defeated, so I'm sure any number of excuses could be given for them

Minish Cap's Zelda had the most personality, but FSA's story is a little easier to see continuing, since Vaati or Ganon could well be revived again afterwards. Still, they're both pretty weak as inspirations for new stories, even if more Vaati content would be wholeheartedly appreciated

It's not very surprising that the biggest name Zelda games have the clearest routes for expanding on their stories, but since the opportunities still exist in all of the others, I would hope that Nintendo would try to do more than just the most obvious options

Or they might just make up new Zeldas and eras entirely without any regard for the timeline or previously undeveloped story segments, that seems like something they'd do

[zarvasace]

Hello! If I’m not too late for your ask prompts game, your thoughts on the Hero of Spirits?

Hmmm I don't have a lot of thoughts about this character if I'm being honest!! I haven't played Spirit Tracks and he doesn't exist in LU (yet?) so I haven't really seen any consistent characterizations. The idea of trains is very cool though! It'd be very cool to see that happen in LU proper :)

This is kind of a little random thing referencing my own Zeldaverse timeline!

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Deep beneath Hyrule, sealed off for centuries, is a cavernous expanse lit only by the festering, glowing remains of a demon known as Malladus, carried across the sea and sealed. The network of tracks and their bright lights that once crossed and dotted the prosperous landscape have long since fallen into disrepair and decay. 

It would be folly to say that the technological advances buried here were buried forever. Where wheels and steam ruled the caverns, now blue light and stalkers guard the land above. Every discovery builds on the last, but perhaps something was lost in the shift from deep earth to sky. 

[bluebelledmoon]

I JUST FINISHED EOW AND OHHHHH MY HEART

TRI MY SWEET BABY CHILD. IM GOING TO MISS YOU SO MUCH YOU ARE LITERALLY IN MY TOP TWO ZELDA COMPANIONS

the little sequence with the deku scrub eating off the staff. and tri just being so sad and disappointed about it. was so good

i absolutely LOVED playing the final boss battle. it used fun mechanics and was a good difficulty level

I had a FEELING it was going to be like st's final battle and im SO GLAD IT WAS IT WAS THE REVERSE AND AHHHHH!!!!!!

i loved the puzzle where you have to bind to link. this little guy does NOT know whats going on and is just being lifted up by some unknown force

i WANT TO KNOW ABOUT LINK AND THE OTHER KIDNAPPED KIDS. IS THAT POST GAME OR SOME SIDE QUEST I DONT KNOW ABOUT? OR DO THEY JUST NOT ELABORATE ON IT??

i wish they utilized the deku tree more??? he had like two lines, and i was looking forward to seeing him all game and he just. didn't say much

also this deku tree is definitely the younger version of botw's deku tree. did you see his bowl cut

i LOVED the zora section of the game, it was so pretty??? with both the river and sea zora, i will definitely draw them when i have time

THE GREAT FAIRY? THE GREAT FAIRY. THE GREAT FAIRY!!!!!

DID YOU SEE HER DESIGN??? I LOVE IT SO MUCH

CONDE I FUCKING LOVE YOU. I WILL ADOPT YOU. I WOULD DIE FOR YOU

I LIKED THE END CARD WITH HIM SEEING HIS BROTHER. BUT COULD I NOT LIKE SAVE HIS BROTHER?? I WANT TO DO THAT. NINTENDO LOOK ME IN THE EYES LET ME ADOPT CONDE

i think i really liked eow bc of it's similarities to spirit tracks and tp, just like. in some of the characters and vibes

im SO happy they brought the yetis in this game. maybe next time we don't make them so lonely again

i wish there was more of a. motive for null? like.he was cool and all and i know he's supposed to be a void and stuff so it's not really "possible"to have an image of him but. he's just kind of forgettable and just a stereotypical "i want to consume everything" villain

also NOTE that in spirit tracks they also used the earth to seal up malladus, and they did the same in EOW but they made it a lot more interesting with chancellor cole and byrne and just. the betrayal

i liked how they actually also made link mute in this game too. but HE WAS TALKING TO THE KING AT THE END CUTSCENE??? nintendo lets please keep a LITTLE consistency

overall i liked the game! there were definitely spots where i felt like they could have made the characters and villages a little more complete, but i suppose thats up to the fandom to fill them in

[ihaveatheoryonthat]

A small handful of songs I associate with A Glint, a Spark. (Spoilers for both that fic and Memory, Heavy in My Heart.)

Arms Outstretched - Griffin McElroy

As I alluded to in the MHIMH playlist, Arms Outstretched was the song I had all but set AGAS to, for the animatic in my head. The progression of it from being kind of downtrodden, to this moment of hope, and then a happy epilogue was pretty perfect, both for the idea I actually went with, and the one I may still write.

Chapters 1 & 2

Place to Start - Mike Shinoda

Do I even have a decision? Feeling like I'm living in a story already written. Am I part of a vision made by somebody else? / Am I out of conviction with no wind in the sail, too focused on the end and simply ready to fail?

Cause I'm tired of feeling like I can't control this; tired of feeling like every next step's hopeless. Tired of feeling like what I build might break apart, I don't want to know the end, all I want is a place to start.

I don't have a ton to elaborate on with the lyrics. The first part just meshes really nicely with the theme of being unable to influence events that have already happened, and having to take them as they come. The second part resonates particularly well with the first chapter, in my opinion. I also like having a song from the same artist in both halves of the main story, and the contrasting tones.

Chapters 3-9:

The Heart of a Graveyard - Demon Hunter

Tell me that your final home is not a shot in the dark; tell me that your hopes and dreams don't end in the heart of a graveyard.

Tonally, it doesn't fit perfectly with the rest of this list, but the subject matter is pretty on the mark. There's a sense of preparing for the worst while still hoping for the best that I like, particularly in this context.

Chapter 10:

Final Battle: Malladus (From "The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks") - The Noble Demon

(The portion up to 0:46 is an intro, and not the most relevant to this list; the actual battle theme starts warming up after that.) A friend unintentionally reminded me that I love this track, and since that conversation happened smack at the climax of MHIMH, I naturally connected the dots. This would correspond to the recorded battle with Arceus, because the track for it in canon PLA just does not fit this version. I chose this remix in particular because it really emphasized the woodwind notes in parts-- which made sense re: the Azure Flute-- and because it has that underlying, train-chugging percussion. It's always struck me as a very triumphant battle theme, which fit beautifully.

Chapter 11:

Welcome to the World of Pokemon - Super Pokemon Mystery Dungeon

It's wondrous and mysterious, but gentle and a bit low-key at the same time, which I think makes it work very well for the build up this chapter, and most of the time spent in the Hall of Origin.

Mysterious Rainbow Girl - Wandersong

The same goes for this track; I was pretty torn as to which one I liked better, so I ended up keeping both for a little bit of variation.

Chapter 12:

On the Beach at Dusk - Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time, Darkness & Sky

I had this one set aside specifically for the scene at the top of Dragonspiral Tower, where the reality of the situation is beginning to sink in. If you're familiar with Explorers, there... might be something of a parallel to be read into the situations they 'play' over.

Misc:

The yet untitled song from The Dreadful Demise of the Dinosaurs - Puppet History

A lonely life among the stars, my destination veiled and far away, but I knew one day we'd find each other. Then in the dark, a glint, a spark, the greens and blues, be still my heart-- and once I hit, that's it, I'm here forever.

While I'm here, I should probably include the fic's namesake. It's really only the one verse (~0:25-0:47), because this song has a very specific subject matter and thesis, but that one passage really stuck with me in this context. The first half definitely resonates most strongly with chapter 11, but I was also aiming to match the second to 12-- specifically "the greens and blues, be still my heart" to the scene on Dragonspiral, and to end with the promise of "I'm here forever"

[changeling-rin]

Hello! I would like to personally thank you for existing. Are there any details you wrote that you wanted people to notice but no one ever did?

I don't think anyone ever caught that Airplane! reference I made that one time

...Aside from that, I don't think anyone's noticed that the only two villains to understand Bellum are also the only two villains who share a timeline with him, these being Ocean Ganondorf and Malladus specifically

Nobody ever corrected me or reassured me about my choices for the stones that make up Realm's earrings, so I can only assume that either we're all clueless about the supposed spiritual qualities of rocks, or that I somehow nailed it perfectly on my first try

During the bit with Wind's Grandmother's soup I attempted to make a reference to the BotW cooking function with the comment the kinds of carrots, which was meant to be a reference to an Endura Carrot versus a Swift Carrot. Unfortunately I think I was too vague for anyone but me to get the correlation

I had attempted to hint that Gen's Loftwing is going to reincarnate as Epona in her later lives, but I was subsequently thwarted by the Loftwing's canon gender (male) so I don't think that particular tidbit went anywhere

And I'm sure there's more that I didn't think of, but for now these are plenty interesting!

[tinyetoile]

Bitchy ranting about botw/totk link n zelda below

In relation to the last post. I know I'm kind of mean to botw/totk link and zelda's relationship but man when I beat TotK I could not stop thinking about the contrast between the scene where Zelda is freed from the crystal in SS vs how Link treats Zelda post-fall in TotK. Like in SS when Zelda collapses, Link runs forward to catch her, how he escorts her out there holding her hand, how they both keep looking at eachother and laughing whenever Groose gets emotional.

And then in TotK after they fall from the sky and Link carries Zelda out of the pond he just... kneels, and doesn't make a single other motion to help her afterwards. Like, Zelda just transformed back into a person after spending a bajillion years as a mindless dragon and then fell from the statosphere into a shallow pond and you're not even going to her help sit up? You're just going to kneel there??? Not going to offer her any sort of comfort?????

I think... this post has helped me find words for one of my major problems with botw/totk Link and Zelda: they have all these moments that are supposed to be big grand setpiece moments (him rescuing her from Yiga assassins, the last catch) but they feel hollow because outside of those moments there are so few of the little moments that show subtle care, particularly from Link to Zelda. I'm not saying they don't exist (Link taking the torch from Zelda is one example) but I wish there were more of them. Because it feels like whenever Zelda needs some sort of emotional support Link leaves her high and dry. You don't even have to make him less of a stoic, stalwart knight to do it! I was rewatching the botw memory where Rhoam is a terrible father to her and all I could think about was how much better the scene would be if it had gone on for a few more seconds and shown Link rising from his kneeling position after the king leaves and putting his hand on Zelda's shoulder. That could've done so much!!! But instead he's always kneeling, barely looking at her, refusing to touch her unless absolutely necessary. It's borderline uncomfortable to watch.

Meanwhile in SS Link and Zelda DO have those moments of casual closeness, showing they care for eachother, enforcing they're important to eachother in subtle ways, and the relationship between them feels so much more lively and substantial because of it. And outside of skyward sword, I keep thinking to that scene in Spirit Tracks where after Malladus is defeated and the Lokomo leave, Link and Zelda just quietly hold hands in mutual reassurance that, it's over. We're okay. Everything's going to be alright now. Hell, these scenes even work- work even better IMO- outside of a romantic context, because it doesn't need to be A Romance for it to be obvious they have a close bond.

In conclusion Skyward Sword and Spirit Tracks are still the games with the best Link-Zelda relationship of all time

[telemna-hyelle]

I don’t think that the cycle of the Hero is gonna be broken in Tears of the Kingdom. Firstly, I can’t imagine that Nintendo would want to end the Zelda franchise while it’s still so incredibly lucrative. I mean, just look at BOTW.

Secondly, remember, the in-canon acknowledgement of an actual cycle really only happened relatively recently, in Skyward Sword. And if you take a look at Demise’s words, it explicitly states:  Though this is not the end. My hate... never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end! I will rise again. Those like you... Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero... They are eternally bound to this curse. An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!

Which sounds like an in-canon excuse for Nintendo to make a whole ton more Zelda games, and since it’s a relatively recent addition, it seems odd that they would recant that so soon?

Also, in-game, it kinda feels like if Demise couldn’t be ultimately defeated by the First Hero, the literal incarnation of Hylia herself, and the Master Sword at the height of her strength and power, I just... idk. I find it hard to believe this time could be any different, y’know?

Thirdly, while there may be a time loop with the first Calamity 10,000 years ago, that Calamity was still long after Skyward Sword. 

And lastly, on a personal note, I really hope they don’t break the Cycle? Which I know isn’t a very popular standpoint (I’ve seen a lot of ‘breaking the Cycle’ fics out there), but...

There will always be evil threatening Hyrule. We’ve seen the evidence in canon. The enemy isn’t always Ganondorf. It could be Ghirahim or Zant, who admittedly did serve Demise or his incarnations. But it could be like Vaati, who was evil in his own right. Or it could be like Bellum and Malladus, evil that pursued Hyrule even after the original Hyrule itself was long gone. But there will always be evil trying to destroy all that is good.

But the cycle promises there will always be a Hero who rises to defeat the evil. 

And I love that promise, and I don’t want to see it go.

[deusvervewrites]

Hero of Legend AU: If it helps, one doesn't necessarily have to be a reincarnation of Ganon/Ganondorf to be considered an incarnation of Demise's Hatred; just look at antagonists such as Vaati from Minish Cap/Four Swords, Bellum from Phantom Hourglass, or Malladus from Spirit Tracks. They're considered to be incarnations of Demise, but lack the Triforce of Power wielded by Ganondorf.

It would be kind of hilarious if Ghirahim initially mistook Bakugou for the reincarnation of his master because he possesses the Triforce of Power like Ganondorf did, but when he realizes he possesses none of the Malice that would mark him as a true Incarnation of Demise, then he'd treat him just as callously as he would anyone else who isn't his master.

Heck, he'd probably try and steal the Triforce of Power from Bakugou just so he could offer it to his TRUE Master.

That would be something

[bobthebobking]

do you think link would have tried retelling niko’s stories to zelda while they were travelling around new hyrule

like after anjean mentions tetra, zelda can’t stop thinking about her. her ancestor knowing anjean? the first queen of new hyrule? what kind of person must she have been, if zelda was apparently so much like her?

so link tells her what he knows. he tells her about tetra’s fearsome crew, her journey with the hero of winds, her struggles on the ghost ship. he tells her the silly stories niko didn’t turn into paper cutouts, the ones about pranks and jokes and laughing and family.

and of course they aren’t told as well as niko, link makes sure she knows this, but she can’t get enough. she’s hooked on anything link tells her about the pirate queen. she needs to hear everything, needs to pick out any similarities she can find between such an amazing woman and herself. because if zelda’s really anything like her, maybe she can be strong too. maybe she can be good enough to help defeat malladus. maybe she can save herself.

[ladyrijus]

NO EXACTLY. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who has been noticing that lately. There's nothing wrong with it, necessarily, but sometimes I feel like fandom mixes up fanon for canon, and it doesn't hurt to explain where the differences between the two actually are.

I'm pretty sure most fans have this interpretation of hero and princess reincarnating due to the way Demise's Curse was worded in Skyward Sword.

According to the English Translation he says this:

"Though this is not the end. My hate… never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end! I will rise again! Those like you… Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero… They are eternally bound to this curse. An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!"

People took one look at the words "eternally", "incarnation", "curse" and decided then and there that these three were reincarnating over and over again to fight the same battle. Which, again, is compelling work! Just not canon work. And I'll explain why below.

Spoiler Alert: This is a long post, but it's worth it, I promise :]

So to preface, I don't know Japanese so I'm not going to be able to tell anyone with absolutely certainty what Demise's speech was truly supposed to mean, but where words fail, let the actions speak.

In Skyward Sword, Link wishes for Demise's destruction in the present timeline using the Triforce, a relic most LOZ fans know is so powerful, the magnitude of its impact is only second to the power of the Golden Goddesses themselves. Demise cannot survive that.

In the past timeline, when Ghirahim steals Zelda away to resurrect a past Demise, Link goes to face off Demise and promptly seals him away in the Master Sword. Here, I will use Fi's words to describe what is happening while he's in there:

"The last remnants of Demise are decaying slowly within the sword."

If we can take these words at face value and assume that it captures the essence of what the original Japanese captions mean, then again, Demise cannot survive that. He is dying, breaking down within the sword that was forged to counter him, a blade imbued with all three sacred flames, sacred light.

Demise was at his weakest when he said those words, at death's door, bested by a human boy with the sword from a goddess. How could he curse anything?

What I mean to say by this is that, the words "an incarnation of my hatred" is not meant to be read as literal -- it's meant to be read as "I am not the only one who will hate heroes like you and those who share this girl's divine blood; there will be so many more who will hate your kind." So that means, there will be people like Ganondorf, Vaati, Yuga, and Malladus who will defy the wills of people like all the Links and Zeldas. WHO ARE ALL, FOR THE MOST PART, DIFFERENT.

Like you said, the first Zelda (from Skyward Sword) is Hylia's reincarnation. That's explicitly confirmed by the game. Every other Zelda after that is just related to the first Zelda by bloodline and to each other, therefore carrying the "blood" of Hylia and being completely different Zeldas.

For example, Zelda from Spirit Tracks or Zelda from Twilight Princess are not Zelda from Ocarina of Time's reincarnations. Instead, OOT! Zelda is the ancestor to ST! Zelda or TP! Zelda depending on which timeline you stick to.

As for the Links, I would argue that they are all different and unrelated too, save for a few exceptions:

Link from A Link to the Past who is also the Link in Link's Awakening and the Oracle of Seasons/Ages game. Link from Ocarina of Time who is also the Link in Majora's Mask. Link from Wind Waker who is also the Link in Phantom Hourglass. Link from Twilight Princess who the Hyrule Historia confirms as the descendant of Link from Ocarina of Time.

With the Links, I notice there is the debate about the Hero's Spirit. Demise mentions it briefly in his speech. But it's touched upon more in the non-canonical work that tells the story of Hylia and the First Hero, who perishes in the Battle on the Surface. In the comic, Hylia promises the hero that his spirit will eternally live on, which many have used to explain that all the Links share this same Hero's Spirit (or soul since that's what it seems to be equated to). So technically Link, if not Zelda, has been reincarnating over and over again.

My opinions on that are 1) Noncanonical information is being used to make assertions about canon, which is not ideal and 2) What would that mean for TP! Link and OOT! Link? I know LOZ is hard to follow with the afterlife or whatever else happens to the dead, but I think OOT! Link would still need his soul in order to take his form of the golden wolf and talk to TP! Link.

Also! Just go back to canon: All Demise says is that every individual with the hero's spirit is cursed to face someone who hates them and/or what they stand for. He doesn't mean spirit literally, as a ghost, shade, or soul. What Demise means is that someone who carries the virtues that comes with being a hero will face their adversary.

Finally, there's Ganondorf/Ganon, a very special and interesting case. The Ganondorf in Ocarina of Time is the same Ganondorf from Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, BUT most likely not the same one from Tears of the Kingdom.

Ganon, on the other hand, is a reincarnation of TP! Ganondorf in the child timeline, and a form OOT! Ganondorf takes after being sealed away in the Imprisoning War in the fallen hero timeline. Again, this Ganon is not the same as Calamity Ganon from Breath of the Wild.

So to summarize:

All Zeldas are different and related to each other by blood; they all carry the blood of the goddess since they descend from SS! Zelda, the only reincarnation of Hylia.

All Links except for the Links with their respective sequels are different, and are, for the most part, unrelated to one another save for TP! Link who is a descendant of OOT! Link.

Ganondorf is the same person in all the games he appears in EXCEPT FOR Tears of the Kingdom; same thing with Ganon, he's the beast form of Ganondorf who appears in either the child timeline as a reincarnation or a form Ganondorf takes after imprisonment in the Dark World during the fallen hero timeline but is not the same as Calamity Ganon.

Why do people keep saying that Zelda (past Skyward Sword) is the reincarnation of Hylia? They're not, they just have the blood of the reincarnated goddess (SS!Zelda). I'm always a little baffled by some of the posts I see on here regarding the nature of the many princesses and heroes in the series, bc I feel like we're just. not all on the same page.

I don't think it's a bad interpretation of it, just that I don't view it that way and never got the impression that it was the case. And I think it makes perfect sense that have thousands of years and many generations, the chosen hero has a stronger connection to the goddess than her own descendant.

[wutheringmights]

I just read the newest chapter and I loved it! ♥ ♥ ♥ I was wondering if you had some hcs about the engineer that you could share?

Awww I'm glad you like it! I just spent 5 minutes trying to figure out what "HCS" meant before realizing I'm a tired idiot who can't read lol

But yeah! I got some headcanons for the engineer/Spirits I can share!

These headcanons are a mix of things I generally believe for any iteration of the Hero of Spirits and a few things exclusive to CTB. It's pretty obvious which are which.

Technically this is slight spoilers since most of this is not mentioned in-story, but Warriors is a such a self-centered asshole that I'm not sure when I can get him to explicitly ask about Spirit's backstory lol

This got super long and kind of just became me talking about Spirits's entire backstory, so enjoy:

Spirits is sixteen during the course of Spirit Tracks, mostly because that was the vibe I got from him when I first played the game (I made him younger for CTB)

He's not descendant from Wind (who I maintain disappeared instead of settling in New Hyrule); instead, he's Aryll's great grandson

His family name used to be Outset, but when everyone who originally immigrated from Outset island took on that last name, they changed it to Aryll to reflect the family matriarch

So Spirit's full name is Link Aryll, though there is a branch of his family that uses Macaryll instead

The Aryll/Macaryll family is huge; everyone has at least six aunts and uncles on all sides of the family and they can trace back how they are related to Aryll

"I'm Grandma Aryl's third son's second daughter's fifth child." -someone Spirits is related to, probably

He actually never met his great grandmother; she died before he was born.

Spirit's dad was full-blooded Lokomo while his mother was Hylian; his mother passed a few months after he was born after never truly recovering from childbirth while his father died in a fishing accident when he was eight

He went to live with an aunt and uncle who owned a general store; their relationship was polite at best. The aunt and uncle told Spirits upfront that they intended to give the store over to his cousin when he was older so Spirits needed to come up with his own life plan

Spirits didn't necessarily mind since he never wanted to work in a store for the rest of his life, but the ultimatum made it clear that they didn't care for him like a son

To this day, their relationship isn't strained and he doesn't hate them. But whenever they meet, he's overly polite; they're more acquaintances than family

He's cool with his cousin though. They have different interests so they aren't best friends, but they're okay.

Spirits also always had his spirit-sensing abilities. It's really like a sixth sense to him, as normal and automatic as seeing and hearing; he actually didn't realize this wasn't normal until he was a little older

His abilities at this point are limited to sensing vague ideas of a person's spirit (if they're light or dark, etc.), and seeing ghosts (which are really rare. You have to have a lot of power yourself to become one)

(Note: I'm not the only one who headcanons Spirits as having spirit sensing abilities; if you know who can up with the idea, please let me know so that I can tag/credit them!)

The elder of his village told him that select Lokomo had minor spirit sensing abilities, and those who did were traditionally made elders of their villages; being more of a follower than a leader, Spirits adamantly dismissed that idea and refused to be trained on how to hone his spirit senses. He also never learned any of the religion behind it

Which was a little worrisome since his abilities are way stronger than most

Besides, he's always liked trains and it's been his dream to travel around the kingdom as an engineer; being some town's elder would get in the way of that

Anyway, Spirits had to pass a written exam before being accepted as an apprentice engineer, so he's very studious and has a lot of drive (pun unintended?)

He went to live with his Uncle Niko during his apprenticeship in another town; Niko isn't related to him, but he's been a friend of the family for so long that everyone secretly thinks he's actually related to someone and they just forgot who

Niko is his real family, hands down. Those two are as thick as thieves and bring out the wild side in each other

A preteen Spirits used to think Niko was a little lame and kind of embarrassing, but now that he's older, he's all for Niko's weird old man-ness and has even picked up on some of his weird old man-ness himself

That being said, they're both disasters. Neither can clean or cook or do any kind of housekeeping and their shared house is cluttered with Niko's art projects and Spirit's half-finished tinkering

Growing up, Spirits had no idea he was related to the legendary Hero of Wind; Aryll died before he was born, but even in life she was filled with too much grief over her missing brother to discuss it often. Within the family, being related to the Hero of Wind is a rumor at best.

Of course, Niko knows but keeps it a secret from Spirits; once he got back from his LU-adventure, Wind told Niko about the curse of the Hero's Spirit. Then he went missing post-New Hyrule's founding, which really drove the terror of the curse home. Niko thought he could keep Wind's family from falling victim to it by not inadvertently encouraging them to follow in Wind's footsteps

So Niko kept it a secret

And obviously, that didn't work

Spirits' quest to save New Hyrule resulted in him realizing that he needed to embrace his Lokomo heritage and get a handle on his spirit powers; Anjean gave him a little training during his quest but afterwards he traveled around the kingdom to find as many people as he could with abilities like his

They were all really excited to teach him what they knew, especially the religious aspects of the abilities; Spirits is still not the most religious person, but he at least understands and embraces the cultural significance of what he is able to do

This is where he learned how to read a person's Spirit to get an idea of their life experiences and the kind of person they're like; he can also detect where a person is without having to put much effort into it

At Zelda's encouragement, he also got more sword training from the Castle Guard. She offered him a place among them, but he turned it down in favor of remaining an engineer. He still helps around as a swordsman when he can and will act as Zelda's body guard

Speaking of which, he and Zelda are 100% in love. Their relationship started out as puppy love but over the years as matured into a deep connection built on mutual respect

When he's working on designing new engines or parts for his trains, he occasionally brings his drafting materials to the castle gardens so that he can work alongside Zelda; sometimes she falls asleep leaning against his arm and he has to be careful not to shake her awake as he works

Whenever she need to go anywhere in the kingdom, she rides in his train and teasingly criticizes his conducting; he takes a lot of pride in his conducting, but he lets her get away with it since her critiques are objectively hilarious

He keeps a tiny pictograph of her taped to his dashboard

But there's a bit of a problem with their relationship, and it's that he doesn't know if he wants to be the prince consort or not. He does love her, but that would mean giving up being an engineer in favor of being stuck at the castle all of the time

Plus, he's doing great as an engineer; he's saving up to open his own garage that produces his own train designs

Eventually, he leaves for the War of Eras

His experiences with Warriors leaves him more sure than ever that he doesn't want to be the prince consort, resulting in him ending his relationship with Zelda shortly after he returns home

It hurts for a long time to be around her since all of his old feelings keep coming back, so he keeps his distance for a long time; it takes a few years for him to go back to hanging out with Zelda as friends

But now she's approaching marriage age, and he spends a lot of time when he's on body guard duty super jealous of these princes and ambassadors from foreign kingdoms who try to court her

But again, he knows he can't be in a relationship with her so he respectfully and silently pines over her (I'm just a sucker for pining, okay?)

Okay, more random headcanons that are a little less sad

Spirits likes super spicy food, but since he can't cook to save his own life, he just eats whatever he can get his hands on

He's super dirty all of the time, just the epitome of scrappy; there's always a smear of oil somewhere on his person

He actually really hates bathing and only keeps his curly hair in check to comply with train safety regulations

He's really polite and a little shy, but once he loosens up, he gets talkative and personable

He's also very contemplative; he likes conducting so much because he gets to spend long stretches of time alone with nothing but his thoughts

His trauma/stress response is to shut down; he goes quiet, loses energy, and sleeps for longer periods of time

He tends to gravitate towards socializing with people who are older than him, which gets him labeled as being no fun by his peers (despite having someone as cooky as Niko for a uncle)

Post-adventure, his best friend is Linebeck III. They're drinking buddies. Neither can really explain why they even like hanging out as much as they do

(I just like the idea of Linebeck accidentally getting attached to one kid and his whole bloodline getting forever tangled with Wind's; they're bros for multiple lifetimes)

Not only is Spirits good at designing and building new machinery, but he's great at tinkering; he can fix almost anything and will buy broken things on purpose just to have something to fix

No one really knows he's a hero; he doesn't like the attention and, at his request, Zelda did her best to keep his involvement with Malladus a secret

Because not many common people know about his adventure and records of New Hyrule are very rare, he's considered in Warrior's time to be a forgotten hero; some scholars believe that a Hero of Spirits may have once existed, but if he did, no one really knows who he was or what he did to serve the bloodline of Hylia

[legend-of-zelda-rangers-au]

Malladus has tried to attack practically everyone who's here. At first, he was nervous around everyone besides me and Byrne but attacked Byrne once, and a few hours later, yours truly. That's why he isn't allowed out with the others or really near anyone. He's just that hostile... none of us are quite sure what he went through, but a dangerous animal is a dangerous animal. None of us want to euthanize him, but if we have to, well, then we'll have to.

On a happier note, Phytops is doing better, so that's a plus, and everyone has fully recovered from Malladus' violence!

Blaine/Mr. Blaaz's kids, Wren and Lumi, stay pretty often usually hanging out around Phytops, Stagnox, Cragma, and Skeldritch.

I forgot to tell you about the others! Gosh, how silly of me to forget... Anyways, I'll tell you about them in the order they showed up or were brought to us.

First, we have Stagnox, a surprisingly large beetle. Seriously though, he could easily pick you up and fly off with you. That is, if his wings weren't so damaged. We don't know exactly what happened to him, but he seems to get nervous around folks with scissors or stones or sticks in hand. He was most likely attacked by kids and adults who were afraid of him...

Then Phytops arrived. She had thorns sticking out of her arms and tentacles when she was brought to us. We didn't really have much time to prep, just a few hours, but we managed. She was very shy when she first arrived, usually pressing herself into a corner. Luckily, we got a pond soon after she showed up. She's quite the sweetheart, but she doesn't speak often. Honestly, she's like a daughter to all of us.

Cragma was kind of a surprise. Wren had found him on the side of the road the night before when they were heading home, and he brought him to us. We weren't entirely sure what to do, seeing as none of us, other than Blaine, had any experience working with fire elementals. But luck was on our side, seeing as we learned more about how to take care of them. Really though, if Blaine wasn't there, we'd be up to our throats in research. He's quite nice to hang out around and somehow seems fine with snow and water. Lumi and Phytops tend to hang out around him even on hot days.

Skeldritch showed up in the middle of summer. He was frightened and unfortunately missing his arms. All we know so far is that he's a desert lamia- specifically a stalfos variant. He's almost always found wearing this Viking helmet he had when he came here. He rarely speaks, but somehow he's sometimes heard singing a soft tune. It's quite nice to see him happy. Usually, he stays near Wren, sometimes learning new songs to sing, other times telling stories. He's quite the interesting fellow if you ask me.

Then we have Malladus. Gosh, I don't even know when he arrived. All I know is he's our most hostile resident here. He can't be kept with the others, and he attacks almost anyone and anything. If it moves, we can only hope that it can escape. I'm not going back there. Not after what he did to my eye. Not after what he did to Byrne.

Maybe we'll be able to tame Malladus, but that won't be for a long time...

Feel free to ask us anything about the crew, residents, and anything else you wish to know!

[changeling-rin]

@gizmocreates has done it again you guys

So remember when I decided to give Malladus a body and did a crap-ton of research and then threw all the research away because it told me nothing and wholesale invented his body instead? WELL GUESS WHO DREW IT.

This is literally almost exactly how I pictured him in my head and I just. They nailed it, you guys, gizmo nailed it.

"About the only similarity he had to his spectral floating-head form was his hair, which was vibrantly blue and pluming like smog from his head.  Joining this trend were his eyebrows, and a truly magnificent moustache. His skin was dark, but not the normal kind of dark - it was more like a very dark green, and it was translucent.  Beneath his skin were his bones, and those glowed an unsettling yellow, an effect which was matched by his eerie pupiless eyes, and when he grinned, he had fangs.  Set between the unsettling eyes was a large red gem. He also didn’t seem to be wearing any clothes, but then again he also didn’t seem to...er, have anything that would require clothes.

And of course, he was about eight feet tall.  It just wouldn’t be right if the Links got a fair battle in terms of physical prowess."

[esthelle-wanders]

I understand it as a reincarnation of Demise’s hatred, not Demise himself. That’s what Demise’s own wording would lead me to believe:

“My hate... never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end! I will rise again! Those like you... Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero... They are eternally bound to this curse. An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!"

Thus, Ganondorf is not Demise himself. He’s just the most prominent of the powerful forces instrumentalized by that ageless malice—forces that include Ghirahim, Vaati, Bellum, Malladus, (Cia if you count HW), etc. I’m not sure how that works exactly, but Demise’s speech (especially in the Japanese) makes it pretty clear that Link is the only member of the trio who experiences spiritual reincarnation.

And knowing that, “Ganon” deriving his name from Ganondorf makes a lot of sense! Regardless of whether it’s always the same person, it makes linguistic sense.

I have a theory, and y’all don’t have to agree with me on it cuz it’s kinda far fetched and has some holes in it but here we go

So there is no evidence of “Ganon” or “Ganondorf” until ocarina of time yeah? So my theory is that Ganon, who takes place in a lot of different games is not the same being as Ganondorf. Why? Well after Hyrule has faced torment from the man named Ganondorf, the name “Ganon” got a bad connotation to it. So after these beasts of pure evil showed up and tried to steal the Triforce and what not in the games, the people named the beast “Ganon”, which was a feared name. So then who is Ganon? That would be Demise and his hatred reincarnating through the years, like he promised.

Like I said this has plenty of holes, like why Ganondorf has a beast form that’s similar to the versions of Ganon or whatever (it’s probably why those specific versions are named Ganon while demons like Malludus are not or something idk), but if we’re following the official timeline nintendo released, Ganon appears after Ganondorf appeared.

Idk, you could say that Ganondorf was the one reincarnating and stuff but it doesn’t make sense to me since his body was clearly there in totk so why wouldn’t he always be in his human form?

Ganondorf being Demise reincarnate is a cool idea but it’s starting to make less sense to me truthfully. It just makes sense that Ganondorf was a terrible but powerful man who grew more powerful thanks to the Triforce of power, and he influenced the people of Hyrule tremendously where whenever there was a boar like creature, he was named Ganon, when it was really Demise trying to bring destruction unto Hylia’s land.

I’ll have to see what happens in totk but it really seems that after Tp or ww that Ganondorf was away somewhere. However by the events of botw , I believe that Demise might want to team up with Ganondorf since he was such a strong influence. I’m sure he’d want to know the man behind the name Ganon after being called it for so many years. But again we’ll have to see until totk