#mage templar conflict
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It's 2am and I can't sleep, have this silly doodle
#art#zkretchy#dragon age 2#da2#hawke#anders#kirkwall may be our home and it felt homey in the way that smth is familiar and thus comforting#but also....boi is it a shithole#our shithole(affectionate)(and derogatory lets be real)#everyone: btw kirkwall is a shithole and apparently the veil is fucked there which is why everyone went crazy#its hilarious to start w/ 2 and then go into inquisition#where the first things ppl tell you is that many circles are actually p chill/normal and people were trying to achieve peace#between mages and templars before everything blew up (unrelated to anders)#vs kirkwall where basically the first thing you get told is all mages bad and the circle? even worse actually!#and everyone and their grandmother-mage uses bloodmagic(such evil :O) and turns into a demon one way or another#and the conflict is...there in da:i sure but not as prevelant at the start at the very least#ppl are much more chill about mages minus the rebel ones AND agree that templars can fuck up actually and not be good at their job in any w#diversity win: factions not led by fade-crazed-driven mage nor red-lyrium templar#as of right now....i am not trusting anyone anymore....keeping my eyes on all of my companions now lest they build a bomb again w/out telli
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so i've been playing da2 for a hot minute now. in act II and man... really loving anders this go around now that I played Awakening... he's just... he's such a tortured meow meow...
oh hey btw here's my girl :) below the readmore
#DAMMIT.#even worse i went into this pt as a mage so mage/templar conflicts are just so much more amplified lol.#i wanted to contrast fenris and yet HERE HAWKE IS HAVIN SOME FEELINGS#will i stay strong on my path...#me pointing at myself in the mirror: >:( fenris is ALSO your first tortured meow meow when u first played dont forget it#aev plays dragon age 2#aev plays dragon age
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They're gonna do the Inquisitor as dirty in Veilguard as they did Hawke in Inquisition, huh?
#i was very excited about veilguard#i still am?#but I'm also really disappointed with the whole 3 choices thing#like....whatvthe absolute fuck?#how is it that who the inquisition took in in the mage x Templar conflict doesn't matter?#the firt big choice you make in the fucking game?#how does what you do with the wardens not matter?#HOW DOES WHO YOU PUT. IN THE MOTHERFUCKING THRONE.#OF MOTHERFUCKING ORLAIS. NOT. MATTER????#i dont give a flying fuck about my inquisitor's relationship with solas#i care about the inquisition she build#not to mention stuff from the other games#it's ridiculous#my one fear going into veilguard would be that they'd treat the Inquisitor like treated hawke in daĆ#hawke was just so ooc in dai#in bw's typical 'oh#actually blood magic is evil' way#which is fucking stupid#i as the player should have the choice to do it if i want to#anyway...not sure i want to see dorian and fenris anymore#cause god knows what they'll to them#dragon age#dav spoilers
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hate being negative 24/7 but i keep thinking about things in the series i care about then remembering it'll never be addressed šš»
#i knew the mage-templar conflict would be abandoned but THIS BAD?#whatever. i'll just write marcus/anders fic who cares
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my general issue with the dragon age franchise, from origin onwards, is how it's really useless for the most part to get invested in ending slides and wonder how they're gonna be carried forward. bc, most of the time, bioware will just be like 'well, wasn't that really cool? we, however, are gonna forget completely about it and hope you do too šš»'
#.da#ill be honest when i say the bait and switch really bothers me even when i otherwise like the games themselves#oh you like that zevran was hunting the crows to extintion? oh you wanted to see the mage/templar conflict be carried forward?#oh solas had an army of elven informants&agents?#and it's like whatever. not that deep. but it annoys meeeeee
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miiiiight just take bellara lutare from bioware's hands in general and write everything about her myself. miiiiight sprinkle in some self-written companion quests. miiiiight add more nuance and conflicts to the story
#ooc.#is it bad i was craving for more evidence of....idk.....the elven struggle vs humans? their antagonistic relationship? the REVEAL that their#GODS are evil?#no one thought to blame the elves at all???? not that they are at fault but for conflict? it isnt far fetched to be suspicious!!!!#or what of the mage-templar war in the south? the repercussions?#we all know that geopolitical issues are NOT isolated. they cause ripples throughout the world/thedas. we see it now irl. come on!
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honestly in dragon age the templars being controlled by the chantry almost feels like a (pardon tv tropes speak) informed attribute like the templars are always doing whatever the fuck they want
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It had been so long since I'd played DAI last, and there have been so many years of thoughtful discussion since then, that I forgot how fundementally frustrating it is to talk to Mme V in Haven and not be able to counter any of what she says about how the Circles work.
#just this wild feeling of 'i was there!' but of course my newly-minted herald ember cadash was not there#em has never even been close to there#she would never have spoken to a circle mage before the breach#but me! on the other side of the screen! i was there!#i played an apprentice as she was harrowed in kinloch hold#who heard the other apprentices whisper that the templars watched them as they bathed#i played hawkes who were the child and sister of apostates and one who was one herself#i played a warden-commander who conscripted anders and listened to his stories#and I played as hawkes who went with him to meet newly-tranquil karl in the kirkwall chantry#i played characters who freed jowan and others who saw him sent back to the circle#all of whom found the paper trail in kinloch hold confirming he'd only learned blood magic from the documents irving purposefully left out#though only one ever knew he only took the bait because of his deep fear of tranquility and of losing his new love#my HoFs learned of the baby taken away from wynne as soon as she gave birth#and of course my canon dalish hero of ferelden knew firsthand none of it had to be that way#i should go watch a video of how that convo goes with a mage trevelyan -- if you can push back (i played one once but can't remember)#it was a relief to go talk to blackwall after that and have him say 'maybe it's hindsight but this conflict was inevitable huh'#i would say so blackwall. i would definitely say so. after all I was there
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I wish DATV had been good for me so can move on from the series, bc I got this new computer w 2Tb of space n have Skyrim, tw3, and Red dead on thereā¦ and my first thought playing any of those other games was man... take me back to denerim when it was five wooden shacks stapled together with 2009 graphics
#like bg3 was good I am completely satisfied w my durge & haven't felt the need to touch it since feb#datv's plot is already slipping from my mind i can;t even recall that skeleton creature that was in it?? u know that guy...uh..hm..uh#I just donāt care abt elven gods or titans I miss the mage-templar conflict Logain & Meredith's shenanigans...#i already ran the da gauntlet this year damn here we go AGAIN#i need my paws on cullen and essenya need to write a billion words about them that will never see the light of day#too bad I canāt get it all out with the simsā¦#cuz well...something terrible happened to my gameā¦too close to the pain now to say what#da posting#just need 1 last good game to get me thru the rest of the year bc im not gonna have any time for this in january š¬
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watching the templar quest in dai bc i've never played it and it's just so not sexy when compared to what the horror of having a thing invade ur mind and show you awful things in an attempt to know you well enough to Become You should be like. but at least cole is there
#lewen gets the mage quest bc dorian and also bc rhu won't let him anywhere near the templars#but she almost immediately volunteers to go talk to them (because this is a version of dai where the magetemplar conflict is more in focus)#mostly to spy.#rule no. 1 of anything ever is to know ur enemy etc.#ends up saving a bunch of templars and is like. hrm. this was not my intention.
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I attempted to replay DAII a few weeks back for the pleasure/refresher of the story and the character arcs but just couldnāt bring myself to do it. Have lost lots of capacity to enjoy game mechanics which extend length of time to engage w story and notwithstanding the dialogue is quite excellent (in a game context) itās clunky for, say, a story, and the physical/visual staging in character interactions is v dated. (Key Settings are pretty decent for symbolism tho)
and thatās when I realised the first time ever why sometimes fans *do* get interested enough to write full novelisations of a thing.
#I would prob read one.#I would prob also still be interested enough to write one if I didnāt have competing priorities#Iād still hold it needs to be avelineās pov tho not varric#avelineās conflicted morality as a corrupt cop favouring the criminal immigrant who saved her life and wangled her position of power#watching as that crim legitimises himself but continues to operate between the lines#because after all heās a blood mage#gooooooooood I would want this#blood mage Hawke x Isabela who abandons him to the arishok#rivals Anders and Merrill and executes anders; mage Beth and temp carver live tho#friends/romance Fenris post Isabela and friends varric#but at the end of it Hawke cannot bring himself to support Templars and has to kill Fenris#Aveline narrative voice as if she is untouched and non influential on all this while reader can See her Hypocricy#only varric calls her out#Also can we have more Leandra being complex and hypocritical too
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try whatever you want, bioware. youāll have to remove the option to play as a mage from the game entirely to stop making all my heroes mages. and im going to make every situation about mages somehow. removing the mage templar conflict from the foreground narrative cannot stop me.
#do you think they ever realized how stupid it looked in inquisition when they tried to purposefully reframe#the mage templar war as a conflict between two equally āgreyā factions and not one with a clear moral line#a characterās in universe opinion aside. like it was silly. that they tried to make it appear to the Player like āum actually..ā#āthe MAGES abused the tranquilā¦ā WHAT?! š
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replaying dragonage2 for 6th ish time
#really happy about the new release but 1) my computer is too weak and#2) I bet they'll keep both sides-ing the mage/templar conflict like in dai#which made me want to replay my fave one#yes I'm romancing Anders again š
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bro i have such a soft spot for characters who start off objectively wrong. like theyāre not bad people-- they want to be kind so badly but their environment or circumstances push them into questionable stuff and they do things they end up regretting bc it felt right in the moment. and it doesnāt change the fact that they did those things or negate responsibility, but as time goes on and they grow and learn and see things from different perspectives, they ultimately evolve for the better. and yeah, theyāre still not perfect and might never be able to let go of pieces of their old selves, but theyāll never stop trying-- if not for themselves then for the people they love.
anyway iām playing dragon age again lmao
#yes this is about cullen#anders is the opposite and i also love him#catch me writing an entire thesis on the morality of the mage/templar conflict#they r also sexy but thats another matter#da#dragon age#cullen rutherford#text
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my favourite bit of dropped narrative thread from trespasser is the implication that (city&dalish) elves were defecting en masse to join solas in bringing his plan to fruition. smash cut to 10years later the man has no plan, no agents and no elven army. was he just that bad of a boss? dread wolf remake of that snl skit where kylo ren goes undercover as an employee WHEN?
#.da#it's not that serious bioware does this all the time lmfao#remember when ppl thought dai would tackle the mage/templar conflict. and bioware went ah yes. anyway onto other things#if you think about it the theory lines up with the last story of tevinter nights since solas had to go and do the busy work personally#no agents to send at the spy meeting my man?
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begging people to learn the difference between āother characters disagreed with this decisionā and āthe writers disagreed with this decisionā
#or if youāre going to make claims like this. provide examples#iām not going to pretend the writers donāt have bias but god. people really like to read author intention into everything#i donāt hate anders but man the way some people talk about him is insane#āthe writers are so mean to him :(ā yes because thats how the story moves forward. itās called character motivation. hope that helps#and the idea that heās punished for it goes around a lot but like. itās totally possible to let him run away scot free#that is an option the game provides. i think if the writers rly thought he was irredeemable it wouldnāt be there. you canāt spare meredith#are you upset that there is the Option to punish him. or that other characters disagree with him. what exactly are we pointing to#you canāt just say shit#i have my own disagreements abt how the mage templar conflict doesnāt work as well outside the context of kirkwall#but because of that. because the scope is broader and stakes are different. i donāt see why they owe him anything tbh#because realistically itās the annullment that causes the other circles to rebel? the fact that innocents were punished for it??#like iām not saying the writing is perfect but#is he āpunishedā because heās not universally hailed as a hero#for doing something extremely controversial. come on man#other characters will have opinions on that too#that doesnāt reflect on the writersā own opinions. not everything is a self insert#yknow what iām feeling brave lol. send poast.#mine
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