#lyst spoilers

[storytellergirl]

from episode 28 of Love You Seven Times (2023)

[part 1]

[beasanfi1997]

Thrawn: I'm surrounded by stupid humans.

Morgan Elsbeth: Not you, Thrawnie; I mean, you're one of us imperials. I mean, you're our pal and only imperial alien.

Yogar Lyste, Moff Gideon, Konstantine, Grint, Aresko, Arihnda Pryce, Maketh Tua, Eli Vanto, Gar and Tiber Saxon: Yes

[serendipity-by-chance]

with the drama ending and everyone saying their favourite lifetime i just want to say mine.

it’s their original one. the one where they meet as chu kong, the second prince, and cang hai/xiao tang, the empress. it’s really simple. both of them didn’t know each other and both of them had such pure and simple thoughts. in other lives, their life and their awareness that it was a tribulation weighed down on them but in their first life of 30k years ago, they were just two young people who met someone who understood and saw the other for who they were and not for their title or power. it was two people who showed what it’s like to fall in love for the first time and how it’s sweet and beautiful.

i will always love their 5th lives the most genuinely.

now for the ending: i was expecting that lol. this was the same studio (i think?) that gave us lbfad and we all know how the ending of that show went with just two seconds of dfqc and xlh so i didnt have a lot of expectations. despite that, i was hoping that they’d learn and give us a bit more scenes with them but oh well🤷🏻‍♀️

also ik people are pissed about xm being the emperor but i saw that coming lol. without ck and xy he was the only viable character and i thought that ck and xy always said they want to see the world together and be happy. being the emperor/empress would not grant them that and xiuming needed a purpose that wasnt tied to cang hai (thank god). so yeah

all in all, this isnt the best drama plotwise but is this dear to my heart? yes and that’s all that matters!

[bangebarn]

Shawshank Redemption er en af de smukkeste, ærligste og mest hjertevarmende film keg længe har set. Den var så opløftende og skuespillet var fænomenalt og har aldrig hujet eller grædt så meget på så kort tid.

[not-the-tie-youre-looking-for]

Something that's been bugging me for years since the Legends finale. If Zhan had been the writer for Rebels, do you think he would have had Thrawn bomb Lothal to bring Ezra out? On the one hand, from Legends Thrawn's portrayal I imagine he would without a second of hesitation. On the other, Canon Thrawn has been much more... restrained? And on a third point, there's the fact that Legends and Canon Thrawn seem like they really could be the same person just at different points of time. cnt in next

...I'm just curious if anyone else was curious if Zhan agreed with that direction taken. Which, on that note, did Zhan ever say anything about his thoughts on how Rebels handled Thrawn? Both from a writing standpoint as well as an acting and musical one (Thrawn's various leitmotifs)?

Oh man. Ohhhhhhhh maaaaan. My friend, you have asked exactly the right person this question, because not only have I wanted to talk about this multiple times before, but I also have ~receipts~. 👀

⚠️Spoiler warnings for Star Wars: Rebels, The Mandalorian, the canon Star Wars novels Thrawn, Thrawn: Alliances, Thrawn: Treason, Thrawn Ascendency: Chaos Rising, and Thrawn Ascendency: Greater Good, and the legends Star Wars novels Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, The Last Command, and Outbound Flight.⚠️

Oh man. Where to begin.

Lets start with who Thrawn is, because depending on who you ask, you're gonna get different answers—whether you're strictly a Legends fan, Dave Filoni, a guy who's only seen Thrawn in Star Wars: Rebels, Timothy Zahn, or just a writer/artist fan like me.

To Timothy Zahn, the man behind our favorite chiss, Thrawn is a character that is constant in both attitude and personality throughout all of his content. In multiple interviews, ranging from Thrawn's debut in Rebels to the latest about the writing of the Ascendancy Trilogy, Zahn states that Thrawn in canon and Thrawn in Legends are indistinguishable.

And so I present the receipts:

In a 2017 interview with The Verge on writing the first canon Thrawn book Thrawn, Zahn is asked the following question and responds as such:

How do you navigate bringing back a character who already has an extensive backstory and audience expectations, with telling a new story that fits in the new continuity?

Actually, I didn’t find that to be a problem. I’d never written Thrawn in this part of the Star Wars timeline, so it was simply a matter of bringing him into the Empire and chronicling his rise through the ranks. It’s still the same character as in the 1990s books, just a decade or two younger and in a very different military and political environment.

In another interview with The Verge in 2018 (a few months after the finale of Rebels aired) about writing Thrawn: Alliances, he repeats this sentiment twice:

Thrawn feels like if it had been written before the canonization purge a couple of years ago, or if you squinted a bit, it would serve as a perfect setup for Heir to the Empire.

Oh, I don’t think you need to squint at all. I wrote him in these two books to fit in with everything else I’d done. So if someone at Lucasfilm snapped their fingers, and suddenly all of my other books were canon, and there would be no real retrofitting that would have to go in. It would all fit together.

Thrawn: Alliances feels more at home in the new canon, especially because Thrawn has been fleshed out a bit more in Rebels. Was there any adjustments for that?

Not really. I’m getting to play with more canon characters like Vader and Padmé and Anakin, but the character himself, I still see him as the same person. He’s got goals, and he won’t necessarily share them with you, but he as long as you’re going the same direction, he’s happy to cooperate and assist along the way.

...and this is referenced again in a 2020 interview with Polygon about writing Thrawn Ascendancy: Chaos Rising:

Along with Thrawn’s appearance in Rebels, Zahn would pen a new novel, Thrawn, that chronicled the character’s early days as an Imperial officer. Zahn didn’t have to change anything with the character, telling me in 2017 that “he’s like an old friend who I understand completely.” While Heir to the Empire was no longer canon, a reader could easily read Thrawn as a precursor to that classic novel. Thrawn went on to become a major presence in Rebels, and Zahn continued to explore his origins in Thrawn: Alliances and Thrawn: Treason.

The next day, an interview with IGN was published on the same subject:

Thrawn is an especially unique case because Zahn has been able to effectively continue the work he started way back in 1991 with Heir to the Empire. That novel may not be a part of official Star Wars lore any longer, but as Zahn explained, Thrawn himself is basically the same character regardless of continuity.

[....] The closest comparison between Chaos Rising and Zahn's earlier EU work is probably 2006's Outbound Flight, which is set during the Clone Wars and details the first encounter between Thrawn and the Galactic Republic (while also retroactively laying the groundwork for elements of Heir to the Empire). That novel is no longer canon, but Zahn told us he prefers to operate as if it were. He's making a concerted effort not to retread the same ground as Outbound Flight and to avoid contradicting the events of that novel as much as possible.

So yeah. In Zahn's opinion, Legends Thrawn is Canon Thrawn is Book Thrawn, and there is no difference whatsoever between Thrawns in, say, Outbound Flight, Heir to The Empire, Alliances, and Chaos Rising. I wholeheartedly disagree, but lets move on.

Now that the books are out of the way, its time for Rebels.

In July of 2016, after the trailer announcing Thrawn's canon debut aired, Dave Filoni had the following to say about Thrawn's character in regards to Timothy Zahn:

“I was pretty adamant with a couple of people saying, ‘Listen, we need to have Tim sign off on this. This is kind of a waste of time [otherwise],'” says Filoni. “We, of course, can do what we want with a character that Lucasfilm owns, but without Tim’s okay, what does it mean? That’s not going to be good. Once we had some stuff, we wanted to do what we thought was right and make the character. Then we brought him in. We had the production fully prepared. I said, ‘Look, if there’s something that Tim says that I think is really valuable, even if it changes something dynamically, we need to be ready for that and see what we can do.’ I wanted to make sure we did this right by everybody. We brought him in and we didn’t really tell him why. We just flew him up to Lucasfilm and sat him down in a theater and said, ‘Hey, we’re bringing Thrawn into the show.’ He was like, ‘Wow.’ and I said, ‘Yeah, wow. And I’m going to show him to you right now and you let me know what you think.'”

(Before we continue, keep that first highlighted sentence in mind for future reference. I'm going to come back to that later.)

Fortunately, Timothy Zahn was delighted at the show’s approach to the Empire’s imposing blue-skinned Chiss.

“We showed him some of the scenes with him,” Dave Filoni recalls. “He looked like a kid in a candy store. I think it meant a lot to him not just because it was his character, but because you have to imagine what he went through when it was announced that everything is Legends now, not Expanded Universe. I get that and I’ve always appreciated the work that goes into the Expanded Universe… For Tim, I think it was us saying, ‘No, no, no. We really like your character. We want him to be part of the real thing. The canon universe.'”

So in 2016, before we even saw Thrawn in action beyond a trailer, we were told that Zahn gave the OK, and he was chill with the way Thrawn was created in the show. In 2017, he gave a little more of the background of this process in an interview with FANgirl Blog:

The events of Thrawn dovetail closely with Rebels and shed light on some of Thrawn’s more seemingly surprising actions on the show, like when he appears to lose his temper and yell at Lieutenant Lyste. What was it like to see Thrawn come alive onscreen? Is he how you’ve pictured him in your head?

I don’t see my characters in terms of voice or appearance, but rather as personality or attitude. That said, I very much enjoyed the way the Rebels team brought him to life, in his appearance, voice, and actions.

I also appreciated the freedom I had to tweak certain incidents, such as the one you mentioned, and give additional or alternate explanations for the viewers who may have thought those were somewhat out of character for him.

He doesn't really elaborate on this, but we can assume he had SOME creative input on Thrawn's character, and he was overall pretty happy with the choices made in the show.

But then, we have this from that earlier 2017 the Verge article:

When did you learn that Dave Filoni was intending to bring Thrawn to Rebels, and did you have any input into how the character would be handled?

[...] I didn’t have any real input into how Thrawn was going to be handled, mainly because the lead time of an animated series is so long that much of season 3 had already been finished. But I trusted Dave and the team to do the character right. After all, why bring him into Rebels if you were going to drastically change him? Having seen the entire season now, I think we can agree that my trust was completely justified.

So... he didn't have "any real input," but was satisfied with it in the end? I guess? I don't know. We're getting into some contradictions now.

The last thing I've got in regards to Rebels is an interview Zahn did with the YouTube channel Star Wars Explained after the finale aired, where he responds to the following:

“So, maybe let's jump over to Rebels for a little bit. Now that it has wrapped up, how do you feel Thrawn was represented in Star Wars: Rebels?”

“They did a really good job—they not only understood the character and how to write for him, but they also understood the meta around how you defeat him. The only way to defeat Thrawn is to throw something at him he can't control, or can't anticipate. Given perfect knowledge and control, Thrawn will always find a way to win. But they understood, this is how you defeat him, these are the things we can use against him... so his portrayal in general, is very good; he's smart, he's anticipating, he's a step ahead of everybody, he's looking at clues and picking up on them, so I was very pleased with how the Rebels team handled the character."

I think these quotes answer many of your questions, so to answer your initial question: If Zhan had been the writer for Rebels, do I think he would have had Thrawn bomb Lothal to bring Ezra out?

Yes—but ONLY because at that point, the only established™️ Thrawn content was found in Legends, where Thrawn was a ruthless and calculating warlord.

However!

I do believe that if given the chance to re-write the Star Wars: Rebels finale using his now-canon novels as a solid background TODAY, Zahn would choose to not let Thrawn bombard Lothal's Capital City.

I believe this because he made one single very interesting creative choice when writing Thrawn that completely overwrote Thrawn's pre-established Rebels character: Thrawn was not responsible for the civilian deaths on Batonn—Pryce was.

And that's that on that.

A few months ago I would have ended it there, but today, Thrawn's story is no longer just contained in the novels and Rebels, but also in that of The Mandalorian.

This is where I will proudly say I have no idea what the fuck is going on. Before The Jedi aired, I was 100% sure that the next time we saw Thrawn, it would be nowhere NEAR the Empire, because Zahn was pretty adamant in the novels that Thrawn was only in the Empire to help. His. People.

So now he's apparently doing fuck-knows-what in fuck-knows-where and is STILL associated with the Seventh Fleet and Imperial Warlords???

Huh??? Despite the fact that he held no true loyalty to the Empire or to the Emperor??? It's been months and I'm still confused as fuck. Add to the fact that Zahn also doesn't know what the fuck is going on to the equation and we get a big fat question mark with one pretty clear answer that Filoni said himself that we have to keep in mind:

"We, of course, can do what we want with a character that Lucasfilm owns."

So I don't think Zahn has much control over Thrawn as we would all like to think. We can hope he gives us the crazy Thrawn and Ezra Space Adventure™️ novel all we want, but ultimately, Thrawn's fate does not rest in his hands.

If you guys have more to add please let me know!!! This is, obviously, a topic I am very passionate about, so I'd love to hear your thoughts!

[whitewaterpaper]

SoIF06: ”Det Onda Arvet” [Kapitel 05–06].

En läsecirkel tillsammans med @kulturdasset​, delmål 3:7.

Författare: Margit Sandemo. Serie: Sagan om Isfolket, Bok 6.

Publicerad: 1982. Medium: eBok/eLib (2019).

¡Oi! Spoilers, stavfel och alternativa fakta kan förekomma rakt föröver!

Det var, skall erkännas, svårt att stoppa mellan dessa två kapitel. Och det händer en hel del i de två kapitlen. Och Margit S. väljer givetvis att överraska läsaren både en och två gånger.

Pojkarna rör sig inledningsvis åt fel håll, men kommer över en visthusbod där de i nöden tar för sig av maten. Mattias lämnar ett meddelande till ägaren där han ber om ursäkt och lovar att hans familj i Gråstensholm ersätter maten. Mattias lovar det flera gånger, men som det barn han är har han givetvis inga planer för hur det skall gå till – eller hur ägarna (eller den gamla gumman) ens skall hitta till Gråstensholm.

Spickeskinka och Fenalår var två saker som jag fick tillfälle att läsa på om detta delmål. Spickeskinka (som kommer av ”spicken”, som betyder saltad och torkad) är så vitt jag förstår ”lufttorkad skinka” som vi säger idag. Fenalår är samma sak fast med får/lamm (liknande det vi kallar får-/lammfiol månne?).

Och här mitt i lyckan lämnar Knut historien, inte så överraskande. Det är en rätt fin scen, där Knut får smaka på livets goda innan han lämnar in. Margit S. har ju aviserat om Knuts hälsa tydligt, och det märks att fyndet av visthusboden inte bara är hennes sätt att kasta in bondröta som en plotdevice utan även för att ge Knut just ett fint avsked.

Ännu lyste solen, så de lät Knut få lov att stanna ute, väl inpackad, en liten stund till. Det var en ljum vårvind som svepte genom fjällskogen, sa han, och den ville han känna. Och där ute, mitt i det flödande solljuset, dog Knut. Då de kom för att hämta honom, såg de blinda ögonen upp mot den älskade solen, och kring hans läppar vilade ett stilla leende

Sedan är det ju uppenbart, att även om det säkert varit kul, att Margit S. inte direkt har tid att låta pojkarna gå ända hem till Gråstensholm. Så när pojkarna väl kommer på rätt köl för att nå en by/stad, ja då sitter ju givetvis sorensskrivare Dag Meiden där och väntar på dem. Jag suckade lite förstås, men ser nödvändigheten i denna lilla kondensering av resan. Skall man se det realistiskt så skulle merparten av Mattias och Kalebs äventyr mot Gråstensholm handla mycket om att stjäla och tigga mat – och det är kanske inget som för storyn framåt i längden. Och mycket riktigt: Dag kommer kolla vidare på vad Nermarken har för sig och vad det är för folk han gömmer i gruvan.

Kapitel 5 avslutas också med något som vi bävade för redan förra boken: att Kolgrim skulle hitta Sols trolldomsörter. Och jag förvånas av en detalj: jag har aldrig fattat att de hemliga trolldomsrecepten fanns nedskrivna. Jag har fattat det som att det är något man får muntligen och via praktik? Trist nog så tycker jag det känns som en detalj som kastas in nu för att göra fyndet ännu farligare i Kolgrims händer.

Om vi väntade för övrigt på ett möte med Mattias och Kolgrim så blir vi besvikna: Kolgrim försvinner innan Mattias kommer hem och det är inte förrän vid firandet som man inser att Kolgrim är borta. Och han har försvunnit i riktning mot Isfolkets dal (eller det som finns kvar av den). Är det så att skrinet Kolgrim hittade, innehåller kanske Siljes dagbok eller liknande. Visst förde hon en form av krönika? Kanske skrev hon ned platsen för Isfolkets dal där? (Jag letade för övrigt i “SoIF4, Längtan” efter scenen där Yrja sin gåva av Silje men hittade det inte).

Tarjei sätter, tillsammans med Kaleb och två karlar till, åstad för att stoppa Kolgrim. Vi kan än så länge bara spekulera i vad han har i planerna? Återuppväcka Hannahs eller Sols ande för lärdom? Tarjei ifrågasätter givetvis också sina egna föresatser, och den del av mig misstänker att lyckas Tarjei stoppa Kolgrim blir Trolldomsörterna kvar här i dalen. Kanske som aska eller på botten av en sjö/ström.

Nu berättar också Tarjei om Tronds stora förvanlig han genomgick innan han dog. Sättet han dog på, att det var allt annat än en hjältes, verkar han utelämna men beskriver hur Trond lät det onda arvet ta över och utplåna mänskligheten i honom.

— Tarjei . . . bad Liv. — Han är vår sonson. Och han har skött sig bra de senaste åren. Vi har inte haft något att klaga på. Inte förrän vi fick veta vad han . . . Hon tystnade. Han nickade igen. — Jag ska behandla honom varligt. Men han kan bli svår. Och så berättade han för dem om Trond, hur groteskt förvandlad han blivit av Isfolkets förbannelse. De var skakade, detta hade de inte vetat.

Om nu inte Kolgrim lyckas med sitt uppsåt. Tarjei hyser dock fortfarande hopp om att kunna ”rädda” Kolgrim och göra en ny Tengel av honom. Och en ny Tengel kommer han bli, vi vet bara inte om det blir den gode eller den onde.

Källor:

Boken @ Goodreads.

Boken @ libris.kb.se.

eBibliotek @ Axiell Media.

Biblio @ Axiell Media.

Spickeskinka @ sv.wikipedia.org.

Fenalår @ en.wikipedia.org.

Fårfiol @ sv.wikipedia.org.

Blodslit @ translate.google.com.

[daniels-bekendelser]

Dilemma: I mit seneste forhold var vores sexliv så skævt, at jeg ofte blev nødt til at onanere selvom jeg ikke havde lyst til at gøre, alene for at min seksuelle frustration ikke skulle rive os fra hinanden (spoiler: det er ikke holdbart). For mig er onani altså ikke associeret med noget godt, nærmere skam og ydmygelse. Jeg prøver derfor at omvende mig selv til, at selv-stimulation igen bliver noget positivt, hvorfor jeg kun vil onanere, når jeg virkelig er liderlig. Lige nu er jeg ikke rigtig liderlig, men samtidig ved jeg også, at jeg kommer til at sove væsentlig hurtigere, hvis jeg skyder nogle endorfiner ud i hjernen, og gør mig selv både fysisk og mentalt træt. Altså ved jeg ikke, om det vil give mening for at tilfredsstille mig selv. Hjælp søges🙃

[in-retrospeck]

Let’s take a look at Kallus and Lyste in Through Imperial Eyes...

Warning: spoilers for Through Imperial Eyes and a very long analysis 

Kallus 

Kallus may have a heart of a rebel, but he still has the mind of an Imperial. He’s ruthlessly efficient, clearly no stranger to violence, betrayal or espionage. His cold, poker face expression in every circumstance reveals his stoic nature that is required in his job. Had it not been for Thrawn, he would have pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes. 

Kallus: <hysterical voice> “Don’t you realise how dangerous it is for you to be here? If anyone recognises you-” 

Ezra: “They won’t. You know big the Empire is. Most troopers don’t even know what I look like now.” 

Kallus: “I hope that’s true for both our sakes. If they discover you here, I’ll be executed for treason!” 

Yet, as Fulcrum, Kallus is constantly terrified that his identity will be revealed. and honestly he should be The anxiety in his voice, facial expression and body language is stark when he’s ‘interrogating’ Ezra. That means he still cares about the rebellion and how he can contribute. Perhaps a little too much. 

“I can do more good here.” 

Kallus, so conditioned to the ruthless ideals of meritocracy in the Empire, probably believes he is only useful to the rebellion as Fulcrum, feeding intel from his imperial position. Personally, that line broke my heart, because Kallus thinks that his value lies in what he can contribute, a belief the Empire has instilled in him so deep that it’s difficult to root it out, even while working as a rebel spy. We know that this would eventually lead to his downfall, since Thrawn has identified him as Fulcrum, and whether or not Kallus dies, he seems 100% prepared to do so for the rebellion. 

“Well, I guess I have no choice now!” 

I suspect Kallus never intended to leave the Empire. He was clearly reluctant when Ezra told him of his plan to help him defect, and his plan to set up Lyste began early on, immediately after he realised Thrawn was onto him. He could have come up with an alternative solution that would temporarily deflect the suspicion onto someone else, long enough to escape the Empire. But framing Lyste was a long-term solution, and the resolution in his words when he tells Ezra that he’s staying only solidify his determination to stay as Fulcrum. 

Lyste 

Lyste my poor smol son that didn’t deserve to be framed was simply an overenthusiastic officer trying to rise up the ranks of the Empire. He was fooled by the Empire’s motives, and never questioned them. This places him in the same position as Kallus before The Honourable Ones: none the wiser about the Empire’s true intentions, maybe even a good man unknowingly working for an evil force. 

“I will do everything in my power to find this spy, Grand Admiral.” 

Lyste’s eagerness is clearly demonstrated in his desire to please his superiors. He indeed did everything he could to find him, sadly causing him to take the fall as the perfect scapegoat. Because he was overeager and gullible, he listened to Kallus. He followed Pryce and that put him in the right place and right time to be framed. Ironic how his efforts to climb to the top ultimately landed him in in the lowest of low, the detention facility. 

“Now see here, I am a lieutenant!” 

We can also see that Lyste cares deeply about his rank, something that is intrinsic to many Imperials. The cold, cutthroat environment of the Empire probably ingrained the importance of position in them. While Lyste doesn’t hold a particularly high rank, he takes immense pride in being a lieutenant. This pride can be compared to Kallus’s decision to stay in the Empire. Both men fear becoming obsolete if they don’t continually contribute to the cause - something that is true of the Empire, but not of the Rebellion. 

Relationship 

Kallus and Lyste shared a close working relationship, perhaps even a friendship. They were nice to each other, something that would be greatly appreciated when most employees treat each other with cold apathy.  

Lyste: “I shall endeavour to make a better impression this time.” 

Kallus: “I’m sure you will, Lieutenant.” 

Lyste’s smile upon hearing Kallus’s comment reveals that he was heartened by Kallus’s seemingly sincere encouragement. Lyste even waited for Kallus after Yularen was discussing the matter of Fulcrum with him. Wherever they were going, Lyste could’ve waited for Kallus there, but walked together instead. 

Pryce: “Kallus, I saw a report that a shuttle theft from Lothal was prevented.” 

Kallus: “Actually, Lieutenant Lyste was responsible for that.” 

Pryce: “Really? Well that deserves commendation.” 

Lyste: “Thank you, Governor.” 

Instead of taking credit, Kallus tells Pryce that Lyste was the one behind it, and therefore deserves the praise. With the Empire’s competitive environment, I’d imagine sabotage to elevate one’s rank is common. Yet Kallus doesn’t stoop to that level here, and Lyste was probably grateful for that. 

Kallus: “Step carefully. ISB is watching her. You should too.” 

Lyste: “What? Why? You don’t mean Pryce is the rebel spy... That’s why she wasn’t in the meeting!” 

Kallus: “Thrawn has no proof yet, but I’m sure he’d be grateful if you kept an eye on her.” 

Lyste: “He can count on me!” 

Lyste probably thought Kallus was helping him out when he warned him of suspicion towards Pryce, providing the opportunity to impress his superiors. The desire to be promoted is quite consistent with most Imperials, Lyste included. Having someone else aid you must be rather rare occurrence. 

In retrospect, their relationship seems a little one-sided, with Kallus trying to soften up Lyste so he won’t suspect him of setting him up. However, this would probably be one of the closest claims to friendship within the Empire. 

Betrayal 

Kallus: “Traitor! You’re the rebel spy! Troopers, seize him!” 

Lyste: “What? What’re you talking about?” 

Now we come to the tragic development of this episode. Kallus betrays and frames Lyste as the traitor Fulcrum. Kallus makes a terrible, difficult I hope decision by placing his blame on someone else’s shoulders. While it’s not clear if he regrets his actions, I still hope he feels some remorse, because that scene alone was hard to watch. I don’t think I can be okay with Kallus being so heartless. 

“Tell them, Kallus! It’s her! She’s the one! Kallus!” 

The pain in Lyste’s voice is truly agonising. He’s been framed for a crime he didn’t commit, and yet Kallus paints the picture so well there’s no way anyone would believe Lyste’s pleas. Lyste believed he was doing the right thing, and was manipulated into taking the blame. His relationship with Kallus was shattered by Kallus’s treachery, and I don’t see any way Lyste can trust him again. 

I still believe Lyste is a good person, only misled, like so many other imperials. He doesn’t deserve the punishment that will come to him. But Kallus’s actions will no doubt harden him, pushing him to become bitter and uncaring. And because Thrawn has discovered Fulcrum’s true identity, everything Kallus did was for naught, and Lyste’s incrimination simply wasn’t necessary in the long run. 

[moonstarturtle]

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[commandervisor]

Maybe I'm looking too much into it, but I don't think that Kallus framing Lyste was out of malice or anything.

As a spy in enemy ranks, you're gonna have to make a lot of sacrifices and things that may go against your moral standards. It's going to be stressful, but everything you do has to be for the good of your people. Like someone else said, the other Fulcrums, Ahsoka and Cassian, have gone through similar cases as well, so it's not exclusive to Kallus, and it's not just exclusive to the Fulcrum network or spies in general either (ex. Zare and Merei in Servants of the Empire, who I might even note are kids and managed to pull off their own scheme too majorly by themselves while under the same amount of pressure.)

While Lyste is obviously a jerk, it's not like he doesn't have some good qualities in him, like he does show concern for the troopers (actually the rebels) that may have gotten hurt during the fight with Pryce, making small talk with Kallus and confiding in him, et cetera. And Kallus was relatively nice to him back for a while.

It didn't seem that Kallus intended to frame Lyste the entire time. It looked like he just wanted him off his back as an improvisation due to the unexpected rescue mission that he's supposed to leave on. Kallus's decision to stay was also last-minute, so the only way to do that was 'solving' a problem that he had already started (plus, Lyste stunned Pryce, who is his superior, and that thus led to the escape of the rebels, so there's really no good way of talking out of that without getting either of them in trouble).

Plus, remember that Kallus is aware that treason (by an officer) is punishable by death. So, heh, as far as Kallus knows, he sent an 'innocent' (as innocent as a young and relatively naive Imperial man who has still committed a number of corrupt acts and is a jerk to people he doesn't like to say the least, among other things, can be) man to die in his place instead. So, yeah.

I'm kind of curious if something similar happened to Kallus already with Swain in regards to seeing a colleague from a younger generation being dragged away to die (and Kallus's line about traitors being executed also means he must know now that Swain is probably dead... 😎), something about Lyste crying out about his innocence and expecting Kallus to speak up for him seemed kind of deja vu-ish, but that might just be me.

I also like that this scene shows that Kallus can still and will still be willing commit morally questionable actions, similar to what I said before. He can be a jerk if he wants, but there's no reason to be. Like, do you really want to have an attitude against your bosses or your allies that still don't trust you or the colleagues that haven't done anything to you? The people he could snark at are either minding their own business like he should be or long gone (Aaaaand, you probably know exactly who I'm talking about).

So, yeah. Maybe. I don't know.

[storytellergirl]

from episode 28 of Love You Seven Times (2023)

[part 2]

[walker-14160]

tiny little spoiler? I dunno

I'm going to call this episode LoL aka Lack of Lyste to cover up the rest that happens in it...

[kaitanisb021]

Ezra’s suspicion of Kallus...

I considered a triple-agent theory, but given the story arc and the last episode, I do think that Kallus’s desire to help by knowing the location of the base is genuine. That said, the writers had Ezra explain his suspicion while in the cell to good narrative effect. When Thrawn eventually uses Fulcrum to feed bad intel to the rebels (as Thrawn has now implied he’ll do in two separate episodes), Ezra will now have good reason to think, as he put it at the beginning of the episode, that Kallus is “playing the long game” to set them up; his first instinct will be to assume that Kallus has betrayed them.  (If Lyste survives the frame-job, perhaps Thrawn will make him visible, safe and un-executed, to the rebels to make Ezra suspect Kallus even more). This sets up an opportunity for Kallus to prove himself, perhaps/probably by saving Ezra or dying for them no I didn’t say that because he needs to be Uncle Kal in season 4 and I’ve already headcanoned that.

[arwenkenobi48]

‘Through Imperial Eyes’ *MAJOR SPOILERS*

Ok, I finally saw it guys and it was fabulous!

You can all breathe a sigh of relief: Kallus doesn’t die!

He actually framed Lyste for everything he’d done!

And yet, despite all of that, Thrawn STILL KNEW IT WAS KALLUS ALL ALONG!

I just can’t even! 

Ahem, sorry about that, I’m emotional XD

Overall, I give this episode 9/10. My one complaint is that we didn’t find out Agent Kallus’ first name.

[egregiousderp]

More rebels Spoilers for 'Through Imperial Eyes'

Anyway, thanks Rebels, for confirming my Pan!Kallus theory. It's been a while since I've watched someone flirt this long and hard with death.

[ritterschaf]

Through Imperial Eyes

Oh my god this episode.

First things first: OMG I am so glad that Kallus survived...but honestly, he’s now in even MORE danger than before because obviously Thrawn didn’t know before but he does now. But tbh I’m not that anxious he might die anymore, but to that later.

In my opinion this episode was simply brilliant because we saw something that has been kind of overlooked in the last few episodes: Kallus' abilities outside the battlefield. Just look at how he manipulated Lyste into being his asset without him even knowing and basically without effort! Or how he preprogrammed Thrawn’s droids!  But let’s get a bit more into detail, because there were a few things that were really, really nice: The interactions between Lyste and Kallus were just the sweetest. These little smiles Lyste shot at Kallus a few times, like the one where Kallus told him, that he’s sure that Lyste will make a better impression than the last time he was summoned by high-ranking officers. Or when he stood by when Kallus was visibly pretty happy that Yularen obviously seemed to remember him, or him waiting for Kallus outside the room. Or Kallus’ little mournful expression before he tackles Lyste and frames him...though you have to say that Lyste’s enthusiasm made him easy to manipulate (although it was really cute to watch him x//D). This whole bickering between Ezra and Kallus was just priceless, I burst into laughter numerous times, especially when they were in Thrawns office, Kallus’ “Good point!” was just too great. And the way Kallus freaked out as soon as he was alone with Ezra - and especially that little moment after Ezra told him, that he’d come to get Kallus out of the empire, because before Kallus seemed like he’d expect an answer such as “Warning YOU? Oh come on, you must be delusional!” but instead he learns that the rebels actually care what happens to him.

And of course...the fact that Kallus stayed behind, because he can do “more good” when he continues to play his role - the only catch from now on: Thrawn knows, for real this time. And I don’t think Kallus is fully aware of that...but despite that I don’t fear for his life as much as before, because in the midseason trailer we’ve seen him on Lothal, so he seems to be able to get away from the empire at least once and maybe, maybe he uses that opportunity to finally really join the rebellion (or he goes into hiding, that’d be cool too). (.....okay tbh I’m still very concerned but not as much as I was before TIE aired because if this episode showed us one thing then it is that Kallus is absolutely capable of looking out for himself.)

But that image of the shuttle flying away without Kallus in it really kind of choked me up. At the beginning all he cared about was a higher rank and getting results and now he wants to help the rebellion as much as he can obviously no matter the risk. Damn son. And if the rebels or Ezra had any doubts about him and his intentions (which the latter clearly had)...well, I’m pretty sure Kallus has cleared those doubts out with his actions this episode.