#lupin iii meta

[l6sadi]

Part 6 sucks because there wasn't any episode where all the characters watched a play/movie about themselves.

I think every show should do this at least once.

[princefado]

i have been rewatching bits and pieces of twcfm this past couple of weeks and one of the biggest tragedies of oscar's story is like.... zenigata knows. from episode 10, zenigata realizes that oscar is not doing well mentally, and from almost the start of episode 11, zenigata has figured out that oscar is pretending to be fujiko to get his attention. zenigata almost certainly knows, moreover, how oscar feels about him. and yet he refuses to fucking talk about it.

i think in his head, he probably thinks he's giving oscar space, he's respecting him by letting him 'makes his own decisions', he's waiting for oscar to come to his senses, not realizing this space feels, to oscar, like he's being pushed away. it's not until the very last second that he has this horribly constipated (very fatherly) conversation with oscar where he goes on about pride, still ignoring the actual issue at hand, and all that leads to is a self sacrifice that basically kills oscar, would have killed oscar, only he's forced back into the narrative to act as a fujiko clone.

oscar thinks to himself that he had zenigata's love all along; and he does, sort of, but it's not a kind of love that is helpful to his fragile mental state or lets him be free as a person. when oscar is in full brainwashed mode, zenigata still can't help but go on about oscar's pride. and zenigata is clearly surprised he can't get through to him—well, of course he is; oscar's always hung on every single word of his in the past, why should now be any different?

but oscar (and aisha) are in full, absolute breakdown mode. it's hard to know who's in control when oscar drives the truck into the estate, but clearly, based on oscar's disappearance from the story afterward (with zenigata only finding his badge) oscar is.... not exactly leaping back into zenigata's arms. he's leaving the narrative. maybe he's leaving for the outside world, or maybe he's just given up on life. but either way, it's too late for zenigata to change their relationship. oscar didn't need zenigata to love him back romantically, but zenigata's existing love for him was never right either.

even if zenigata had talked to him properly, he might never have understood what oscar needed.

[ctrl-lupin]

Bit of a tangeant here - I took this screenshot in case there was anything interesting in the filler text, and

OOOOH BOOOOOYYYYY.

It turns out there's a whole-ass anime/series about Lupin III in Lupin III's universe.

[s0phos-writes]

lupin iii - fujiko study

i haven't been here in a minute but it's been in my drafts forever so i wanted to make this make sense to anyone other than myself? so that if someone else shows interest in this then i would be motivated to like work on it frfr?? idk that's been the idea so here we go again -- also ik it looks like i only play otome games but i have other interests, see??

fujiko is… an interesting character to me. because she seems simple: she's selfish and hot and knows how to get what she wants. but one element of her character that infinitely complicates her (at least to me) is her relationship to lupin… LIKE… WHY? i understand from like a meta perspective, lupin needs a girlfriend™ and so like it didn't start out that serious… and monkey punch has further described them as "just two people having fun together as a man and a woman" like fine. I get that. But also it's been 50 years so like obviously their relationship gets more complicated with every new iteration and AGAIN, IK from a META perspective that these characters are all hanging out because they have to. I guess what I'm interested in is from a character perspective, what the fuck is up with fujiko and lupin because my silly little writers brain that wants to know what these characters motivations are… so like the two elements of the exploration would be: why does lupin always give fujiko the benefit of the doubt even though she has ALWAYS, ALWAYS given him up for a quick buck? and two: why does fujiko betray lupin EVERY TIME, almost without fail… but still come back to him? because "she's hot"/"money" aren't good enough answers for me baybeeee

ok so like im thinking there are two ways to go about this: 1.) a character analysis essay type deal with evidence from various media (a huge undertaking) defining the nature of their relationship and 2.) a 5+1 fanfic, proabably "5 times fujiko mine betrayed lupinn iii (and the one time she didn't)" -- knowing me, i won't be able to do (2) until i do (1) lmao 🙃

[davekat-sucks]

imisshomestuck popping off with the jake meta, damn

i agree completely, but also this paragraph

"Unhappy endings are better because of that. Fuck that. That's not why people read stories. People read them to see the ideal, to feel the potential of a character and then later see their faith and hope be rewarded. Reading a fictional story shouldn't be like gambling where you hope the writer ends up closing a characters story well and having them turn into the best version of themselves. Why do so many writers have the idea that reality always ends up being shitty and disappointing! Stories should too! It's like that stupid Mad at Disney song. We should all be bitter and nihilistic. The 1990s nihilism trend did a number to these mother fuckers. They think that trying is pointless and flaws are weights around our ankles that make it impossible to win the race of lie."

yes holy shit im so fucking TIRED of nihilism in stories, yet it seems its all i can find in everything nowadays (example: GOT, that was ass and im tired of pretending otherwise, all the good interesting main characters dying triggered my homestuck ptsd). and i fucking hate how this garbage webcomic has ruined my perception of character interaction for me forever because nothing comes even close! and all i get in fanworks is davekat uwu shit or discourse! im so fucking pissed! i hate hussie, hiveswap, the epilogues and hsbc and this idiotic fucking nu fandom!

someone send some book/shows/manga recs plz

in exchange i can give some too, if you like homestucks minimalist art style give alex toths works a try, his artbooks in particular are great. invader zim, irkens is where hussie stole the trolls and alternia from. also emily the strange, the maxx (1993), sam & max. for manga, lupin iii is fun.

There is only such much nihilism I can take before it becomes annoying that we get it, everything fucking sucks. Worse if said media tells me that I'm an idiot for even caring for watching/reading the series in the first place. At this point, it makes one question then who the hell you are writing for at this point if you slap the audience in the face and purposely make yourself feel like shit. As for series: Smiling Friends, Mashle: Muscles and Magic, Crayon Shin-chan, Gintama, Sgt. Frog/Keroro Gunsou,

[desdemonafictional]

Indomitable on a Curve - DesdemonaKaylose - Lupin III [Archive of Our Own]

I archived my sort of meta fic on Fujiko Mine

I think she can be so interesting. Nearly no one has done anything satisfying with her since the 1970's, but I believe there's potential there. Anyway these are a bunch of my part one era headcanons.

[dandunn]

for the film ask game!! i have two, bc i am always curious if people have seen/heard of the Thief and the Cobbler. i rarely meet anyone outside my family that knows it

and then obligatory lupin iii question of Green Vs Red??? idk if that counts as a movie or a special but eh

Thief and the Cobbler

never seen | want to see | the worst | bad | whatever | not my thing | good | great | favorite| masterpiece

I have seen it! I remember watching the n*stalgia critic review of the chopped up hollywood version with mainstream actors and it got me curious enough to check out the recobbled cut. I remember the animation being really interesting but I probably couldn't tell you what the plot was.

The pacing of it kind of makes me think of MAD GOD - another animated film with a troubled production history that went on for decades. Interesting stuff. Shame Aladdin stole its thunder.

Green vs Red

never seen | want to see | the worst | bad | whatever | not my thing | good | great | favorite| masterpiece

I've seen G vs R uhm. About three times now. I do not understand why they made it the way they did. it's meta, it's confusing, I don't like what it implies for the Lupin series about how the protaganist might've taken over from the original Lupin and 'became' him somehow like girl what. Did the original Loop die? Is this all a dream??? girl what GIRL WHAT.

That being said the scene where Jigen rescues Goemon from the helicopter is the tits. I would like to see a cut of it where the scenes are actually in sequential order.

[canonical-transformation]

Focalors kit speculation — max HP weirdness

TL;DR: wouldn't it be messed up if Focalors's kit did some of the following:

HP% buff (i.e. the Sakura Shrimp Cracker effect. Temporarily scaled HP. Just like Noblesse 4pc, it adds (not multiplies) to other HP% buffs.)

HP% debuff.

Off-field Hydro application (less positioning than Kokomi, less NA dependent than YL/XQ).

(date: Jan 2023. If details have been leaked I'm not aware of them. No leak discussion please. Disclaimer: I very rarely pay attention to meta, purely considering this from a player choice perspective)

(1) is effectively a teamwide DEF or DMG reduction buff... that benefits our HP scalers, dampens corrosion, and weakens our non-HP-scaling healing.

(2) is effectively like a DEF/RES debuff (Zhongli, Lisa, etc) but boosts our True DMG such as Ocean Hued Clam (like Mona's ult?).

(3) is practically a given bc of how good Hydro is at off-field application.

Other rambling below the cut.

So, going in, some assumptions about constraints on Focalors's design, based on the Archons so far:

(i) Universal support — Archons should fit into the flex slot of many three-character comps.

(ii) Does what their element does — if you need a [💧/ 🌱 / ⚡ / 🪨 / 🍃] character on your team, the Archon should be a safe pick. Maybe not always the best, but never a terrible choice.

(iii) Mono friendly — if you want to build a triple/quadruple [💧/ 🌱 / ⚡ / 🪨 / 🍃] team, the Archon should be a safe pick. Maybe not always the best, but never a terrible choice.

How these fit the criteria

HP buff (i): An effective DMG reduction across the board gives survivability — differently to Kokomi or ZL, but the same kind of comfort pick. Add in interruption resistance and things are looking pretty good. It also "multiplies" with DEF% builds if you need a tankier Noelle/Itto for some reason; benefits vape Hu Tao, benefits almost all shielders, etc.

HP buff (iii): This is literally Hydro resonance, and directly benefits everyone except Tartaglia, Mona, and (more or less) Xingqiu. The fact that they changed Hydro resonance to boost HP indicates Hydro will likely get more HP scaling to come.

HP debuff (i): The way that Zhongli's RES reduction is boringly useful in most situations, this is the same. For bonus points it's technically a little better at shield breaking.

HP debuff (iii): Niche, but the effective boost to True DMG makes OHC!Kokomi that tiny bit better

Off-field Hydro application (ii): This is just standard for Hydro characters besides Tartaglia, and is kinda expected

Off-field Hydro application (iii): Hydro DMG teams already have several onfielder options, plus Candace if you have none of them.

What that might look like:

NA: Sword (rapier) or polearm (Arsène Lupin cane)

Skill: Raiden's E except triggered by NA/CA/plunge hits, differentiating her with better shield breaking but also meaning you need to be attacking to make her work. (CA trigger helps specifically with Morgana.)

Burst: field that debuffs enemy HP and buffs team HP (maybe scaling with 0/1/2 affected enemies).

Passive: burst gets extra effects. similar to Gilded Dreams, it depends on the team: debuffs Hydro RES the more Hydro you have, increases EM the more non-Hydro.

Is this ridiculous? Yes. But it'd be fun. What design would you give her to put her at the same level as the other Archons?

[taoofshigeru]

🎶✨✔️ for the Lupin asks?

🎶favorite track/ost?

All versions of the core Lupin III Theme. It's iconic for very good reasons.

I have a special affection for the 2014 theme, which plays while Lupin and Jigen do something particularly cheeky to the ostensible Macguffin of the film:

✨favorite thing about the franchise?

The way it's proven capable of remaining itself while also taking on elements of the creative staff at the time.

Yamamoto Sayo's noir-y Fujiko feat. Lupin III is very different from Miyazaki's more round-edged, gadgety visuals, both of which differ from Monkey Punch's original hard-nosed and stylized imagery, but you never lose the core joy of Lupin III having a fun crime adventure, sowing chaos and doing it for the thrill of it.

I'll watch a Lupin film from 1990 with friends and we'll be able to enjoy it in the same way as one plus or minus a decade in either direction, owing to how well it adapted to the zeitgeist over the decades. On a meta level, it really does feel like people retelling a myth to the kids. Sure, maybe dad's story has more explosions and maybe the samurai is more of a dork in grandma's version, but both are telling a story about about the one time they met Arsene Lupin III, and that counts for a lot on a deeper level.

I think Green vs. Red says it best in what I might be misremembering as it's final lines.

Pops: "There's another new Lupin on the loose!"

Some cop: "Another knock-off, sir?"

Pops: "Nope, this one's the real-deal reboot!"

There is no one real-deal Lupin, but every face of Lupin III is authentic. (Even his "real" face is literally a mask.)

✔️movie/special you’d recommend others watch (& why)

Castle of Cagliostro is the answer you might be tired of hearing but it's absolutely the correct one. It's a banger of a film and features cuts that still looks impressive 30+ years later. It's funny and fun as all-get-out, just make sure you're watching one of the dubs where Zenigata's VA really hams up the Printing Presses scene.

Otherwise, I'm partial to Dead or Alive as just a put it on and have fun adventure movie, preferably with the lights turned off and your drink of choice in hand. The way the prison break and car chase in the first couple of minutes ramp up takes you in, and it keeps things fresh throughout. (And it's got the tidbit with Zenigata deciding to name his autobiography "Love and War With Lupin III", so there's that for the Lupin/Pops contingent to which I belong.)

[thelavendercatalogue]

The star’s lived in the lining of her skin, no different than how the sun had lived in Lupin's eyes and the moon within his own heart. All different, none quite the same. But oh indeed, what a strange and cryptically beautiful universe they all made up. . .

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[mechanimereview]

Lupin III: Tokyo Crisis (1998) - Claustrophobic Crimes

I don’t have a lot of interesting meta bits to discuss when it comes to this special when it appeared on TMS’ YouTube channel. Just some interesting things about the dub in which this is yet another Lupin Funimation dub. They still call Lupin “Loop in” and the Mine is said as “Mine” instead of “Me – Neigh” like how it’s pronounced in Japanese. A pretty crazy thing considering this special is one…

[dryingpanzer]

(CW: Minor Nudity, also spoilers for different media)

Alright baby! Here’s the TL;DR for the media!

Les Miserables: 10/10

Wicked: 9/10

“In Case I Make It”: 8/10

THE DEATH OF PEACE OF MIND: 7/10

Delicious in Dungeon: 10/10

Brooklyn 99: 9/10

Now that that’s done, let’s go more into detail!

Les Miserables - Oh, this musical hurts. The indomitable human spirit truly passes on in times of turmoil and misery. Amazing music, amazing set designs, and overall such a moving show. Going into it, I thought for some reason Jean Valjean would be this idol for which people rally behind, but instead he’s just some selfless dude that joins the revolution at the barricade and even saves Marius, bringing him home. This musical hurts, but it’s a good kind of hurt. 10/10

Wicked - Probably the pinnacle of media where it twists the roles to make the antagonist the main character. All of the meta, referential moments that callback to the Wizard are very cute and funny and also helps to connect the two different stories together. The costume design was also amazing and is very befitting of the strange world of Oz. The music was very compelling and catchy. The set designs were great as well, shoutout to the one dude up in the rafters puppeteering the giant dragon. Elphaba was a very compelling protagonist that shines light on the “Wicked Witch of the West” and it was cute seeing an actual friendship form between her and Glinda. Fiyero also had an amazing ass. 9/10, makes me appreciate Twisted more and what they went for.

“In Case I Make It” - Having listened to his previous albums “Everything is a Lot,” “SEFL-iSH,” and “The Normal Album,” the style in this album took me by surprise, but makes more sense as he didn’t have his band members from the Tapeworms this time around (iirc he still used Tapeworms for Normal Album, the album just isn’t listed as a Will Wood & the Tapeworms album). It seems this album goes through more of his mental illnesses and self-conflict, will definitely need to listen to it again more in depth to understand it more. 8/10, fave song is Vampire Reference in a Minor Key, Big Fat Bitchie’s Blueberry Pie (don’t make me type out the full thing please it’s almost as bad as the Song with Five Names) is funne.

“THE DEATH OF PEACE OF MIND” - Another album where the style was vastly different than what I came to know of Bad Omens. It could also be I was use to their heavy shit with self-titled and Finding God Before God Finds Me, but this seemed to have more clean vocals and electronic parts. Not a bad album though, I still enjoyed listening to it! Then of course ARTIFICIAL SUICIDE came in and just basically knocked me unconscious with its raw energy and sound. 7/10, might have to be another album I listen through again to appreciate more!

Brooklyn 99 - I finally decided to check out this series after hearing and seeing so much about it and also since I was waiting for Delicious in Dungeon episodes to drop. Absolutely hilarious show that I feel does the cutaway gags much better than Family Guy. All the characters are enjoyable in their own ways with my faves being Sgt. Terry and Capt. Holt (rest in peace Andre Braugher). 9/10, fun show!

Delicious in Dungeon - You mean to tell me there’s a show that is a fantasy party adventure that is comedic, heartfelt, AND has good food? Me ass show! From the beginning it felt like the show was already subverting expectations and tropes, from Laois being human fighter but having depth with his extensive monster knowledge, to Chilchuck being the smol-looking boi that (pseudo-head canon) enforces his union-mandated smoke breaks. I am super invested in this anime and is probably one of my fave ever (Lupin III still tops my fave anime). 10/10, I really need to make bread.

[unovanhunny]

Pssst! Hey, hey, PSSST!

You ever seen The Castle of Cogliostro? By Miyazaki?

It's a good movie so you should watch it regardless, but imagine a blankshipping au based on it.

It would be glorious

That's the Lupin the III Movie he did isn't it? I haven't seen it myself yet, I haven't engaged much with Lupin the III for some reason. But I've only ever heard good things about it.

I'll watch it soon and get back to you : 3c I know it might share some very general elements with the Phantom Thief AU I have because I think it's kinda inevitable, but I'll see what I can do~ And I'll make a nice long meta post for it, like with Poto AU

[vaguely-concerned]

I am absolutely positively irreconcilably LOSING MY MIND over what this:

(also... omg they're so cute here in their teeny tiny car)

is doing thematically when put up against:

the WEIGHT. the WEIGHT added to all of that when you realize that Lupin CHOSE to be Lupin the Third, and the first thing he chose as Lupin the Third was Jigen (Jigen's HEART, something a teen/tween Jigen seems ready to already half-believe doesn't even exist anymore fhsdfjka). recognizing something fundamental of himself in Jigen was what made him choose to be Lupin as we've known him all this time -- that one moment of connection, of true resonance, of 'whatever souls are made of, yours and mine are the same (utterly unhinged)'... after all his dad and grandpa each did to try to shape him in their image, that one moment of honesty from Jigen was what made him decide to be himself. and keep choosing that. for the rest of his life. he said 'fuck it, it IS a story, it's MY story, and I want my story to be with you if you want to come along for the ride'.

(and then from Jigen's side -- he's been pulling back from Lupin again and again in Zero under the reasoning that he's a bad influence, that he'll tarnish his life eventually because he's got something indelibly stained and broken about him already that he doesn't want to get all over Lupin as well, you sort of get the feeling that admitting how fighting a worthy opponent gives him a rush like nothing else was half meant as something to push Lupin away for good... and then to see Lupin just come to life because of it instead!! Lupin walks right past his gun and his skills and puts his hand on his chest and says 'no, this is the part that matters, this is what I want, the rest is just a fancy trinket', after pretty much every person we've seen Jigen interacting with thus far has only been interested in what he can do for them, as if he were nothing more than the gun. I mean. what was he supposed to do, not fall desperately and fathomlessly in love with this dude for the rest of his life??? unrealistic honestly he had no choice at that point. and despite all his fears Jigen goes on to be the one most stable and steady presence in Lupin's life, protective rather than corruptive. what a fucking relief that must be honestly, that not only did he not hurt Lupin by allowing himself to be closer to him, he helped him discover something wonderful -- with all his sharp edges he brought him joy instead of blood, and Lupin takes him along on that joy right through their lives, all the way up, through Part 5 and beyond. what the fuck. help. there aren't enough italics in the world to express what I feel here)

I thought I couldn't love this part 5 scene more than I already did but oh my god they've retroactively put in place the setup it's the payoff for and now I'm on my knees

[misteria247]

Thinking about the wise words of Goemon Ishikawa about how a three minute egg must boil for three minutes.

Legendary, iconic, a god damn masterpiece.

[sourgrapelaffytaffy]

Wanted to talk about this scene because 1) it’s so cool to see Zenigata do some regular detective work & see Jigen be a total badass

and 2) it’s so AWESOME to see a Zenigata / Jigen dynamic, even though they’re not in the same scene. While Zeni is assigned to Lupin specifically, he’s still spent enough time around Jigen to recognize his work. He understands and appreciates Jigen’s incredible skills as a marksman and he’s able to put together exactly what happens with the evidence he has available.

NOT ONLY THAT

But Zenigata LETS JIGEN GET AWAY. He recognizes that not only has Jigen done a good deed, but the town views Jigen as their hero. How could he go around & crush the freedom they have now by revealing their savior is a former hitman turned thief? From his monologue in P5′s finale, we know Zenigata just wants to catch Lupin to show him the error of his ways, and make Lupin into a better person. With Jigen’s act of kindness, maybe he realizes that Jigen has the potential to be a good person as well. 

And so Zenigata LEAVES and LETS JIGEN GO