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Please excuse me for a while. I have to clear my ask box of the gays (tomtord), so all my arts for a while will just be,,,,,gay,,,,
#neil talky#LITERALLY GOING ON A DRAW EXTRAVAGANZA#OF THOSE TWO HOMOS#Iām not counting Regimen#they cant be counted in the gay spec#even in toxic yaoi scale theyāre at the FAR end#TWO KINGS ON THE OTHER HANDššššš#peak toxic doomed yaoi š©š
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"Fixing the issue of anti-masculinity also means you have to stop making fun of women who like yaoi"
.......
So those two things are unrelated.
"Women who like yaoi" are usually women who fetishize gay men. Like... They literally sexualize gay men. A lot of yaoi is also really really bad. And I don't mean low quality. I mean filled with abuse and romanticized toxic relationships.
Queer people who "make fun of" (aka, call out the creepy behavior of) women who fetishize gay men and only ever engage with them in a hypersexualized way aren't being anti-masculine. Actually, the fetishization of queer men IS anti-masculinity.
"Fujoshis" have consistently made queer men extremely uncomfortable by engaging in queer sexualization and objectification while actively calling it sin. Like, were you guys not around in the early to mid 2010s when the phrase "sinning is winning" was a thing and specifically applied to these cishet teen girls consuming gay porn? "Fujos" are the female equivalent of cishet men who fetishize lesbians and only ever watch objectifying lesbian porn that was made for men.
I'm shocked that I just read the tag "the antifujo to transphobe pipeline is real" like???? Yeah, sure, there's some trans people who go from "watching gay porn" to realizing they might actually be trans but that's not the same as the cishet girls who like yaoi.
It's also kind of racist because they also usually fetishize asian men. Like, these girls are not friends of queer people, I need you to understand that. They will usually be extremely homophobic to lesbians and queer men that don't fit their weird yaoi idea of what queer men are like. If you're not a skinny, light skinned asian or white, vaguely fem, strictly gay perisex cis man... Fujos are gonna call you a fag and tell you you're disgusting. They aren't actually accepting towards gay men.
Idk how to tell you this but if you're a self proclaimed fujo and someone calls you out for your creepy behavior towards gay men then that's not anti-masculinity. It's just that you're being homophobic and you suck.
#in 2024#im having to explain what fujoshis are#and tell people why theyre bad#what has the world come to#what do i even tag this as#anti masculinity#antimasculinity#anti-masculinity#uncensored slur#f slur tw#tw f slur
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idk what will people think but i have something to say (tw for mentions of r4pe, n4z1sm and d3ath)
habit x alex kralie is wrong on so many levels and if you ship them maybe rethink your choice??
im not attacking anyone but the ship is PROBLEMATIC as hell (habit is also a literal r4p1st and n4z1 too, and has existed for hundreds of years, he is the worst of the worst)
habit has unalived so many people by his **OWN** will because of his **OWN** motives, while alex was controlled by the operator (slenderman for those who dont remember/know) which are two different things, and the shippers are like "wow they are antagonists and killed people, let me ship them togheter šš haha toxic yaoi" (ik alex kralie is sort of anti hero but he is still considered an antagonist)
also yall realize toxic ships are just problematic in general its not "hot" and "sexy" it's just disgusting
like toxic relationships destroy one's mental health or even both people.
also if you ship these to cope or something, buddy maybe cope with something that ISN'T problematic?? it might be hard but that doesn't mean you can't think about it and maybe stop??
anyways please share your opinions in the comments and thank you to whoever read this rant of mine!!
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How I personally see x-shippers in the Homestuck Fandom
Based on my perceptions, based on my opinions, based on my expiriences! :] Nothing directed to anyone in particular.
If you have x-ship as your OTP, this is how I see your "category" VERY generally, let's say.
Johnkat / Communism shippers
I don't even ship Johnkat, but y'all are the sweetest people out there?? The chillest people ever. Like, if they asked me with what shipper I would spend ten hours trip with, it'd be a Johnkat shipper.
Davejade / Spacetime shippers
LITERALLY the same as Johnkat, but y'all are also so fucking talented too?? Any art skill possible (traditional, digital, animation, 3D, paper puppet, etc) Y'ALL CAN DO THAT!!! How do y'all even exist!? š
(Btw, yes, you're chill too, but a lil less than Johnkat shippers)
Dirkjake / Pumpkin shippers
Annoying.
You're annoying.
There are two types of Pumpkin shippers though.
Type 1: less annoying. You like toxic yaoi, you recognize they're in a toxic relationship and I can respect you.
Type 2: "toxic yaoiiii š¤Ŗš¤Ŗļæ½ļæ½ļæ½ļæ½" but when someone points out the actual toxicity of Dirkjake those shippers will come after their ass.
Rosekan / Rosemary shippers
Hard to find people who have Rosemary as primary ship, since they're established in canon, so people ship them in the background because it makes sense and they're actually a thing.
BUT I am convinced the primary Rosemary shippers aren't rare at all, I think they simply don't use socials as much as other HS fans. So they're normal, basically.
Solkat / MUTANT2 shippers
I won't count myself because 1- I'm not so pretentious, 2- I don't think I act like the average MUTANT2 shipper AT ALL!!!
The average: Some Dudeā¢. Yes, even the girls act like Some Dudeā¢.
Weirdly, most of them don't know Fandom culture that well. Maybe cuz they're all Some Dudesā¢.
Erifef / Make a wwis)( shippers
They do not deny what happened in the comic, they just ignore it. And somehow they are able to ignore it even when someone points out what happens in the comic.
"But Eridan killed Feferi." "Ok *not listening*"
Y'all are in a constant Zen State after years of meditation and acception, probably.
Nepfef / Octopussy shippers
"FLUFF FLUFF FLUFF FLUFF NOTHING BAD HAPPENED FLUFF FLUFF FUNNY 2000 MEME FLUFF"
"But Nepeta and Feferi died-"
"FLUFF FLUFF FLUFF FUNNY CAT RAINBOW VIDEO AH AH PUSSY FISH FLUFF FLUFF FLUFF"
Davekat shippers
No.
Go read the comic.
Karezi / Adorabloodthirsty(?) shippers
Y'all died??? I SUPPOSE you all were too annoyed with canon and Hussie to actually care to continue reading, or stay in the Fandom. Or I can't explain how y'all literally imploded and disappeared.
Daverose / Dersecest shippers
Same as Karezi, but I can see you every now and then reblog stuff, mostly due archive reasons.
Johnvris / Spider8reath shippers
Their personality is a mix between John and Vriska's. That's the only way I can explain it.
Equinep / Meowrails shippers
Same as Rosemary for the first part, but there are more people loving Meowrails as their OTP. And those fans usually are the sweet & respectful memes side. Their pages often feel like an Internet Checkpoint where to rest and see cute and mindlessly funny stuff for a moment.
Please, never leave the Fandom.
Some of y'all are dumb af tho.
Vrisrezi / Scourge sisters shippers
The ship isn't bad and it makes sense even, the shippers, on the other hand, have to chill the fuck out and actually read the comic and not only the second part of Act 6 or, worse, from the Epilogues and on.
Katnep / Katnip shippers
You all just wish the best for Nepeta. That's like your whole personality in the Fandom. Nepeta deserved a better treatment. The end.
Vrisfef / Spider8each shippers
Never met a Spider8each shipper who isn't obsessed with Spider8each like I'm obsessed with MUTANT2. You make EVERYTHING about them; every and all quadrants; every and all situations. You WILL scream "THEM!!!"
Any Dancestor x Dancestor shipper
You care too much about the Dancestors, but your real problem is that you're annoying. And probably also 15 too.
Any Ancestor x Ancestor shipper
You're a rare breed. A really special and important one. I love you. You're my parent now.
Summonfang / Summoning the 8ooty shippers
What I've said before, except that you're actually not my parent, but my annoying little cousin.
Spades Slick x Karkat / Bloodsworn shippers
I love you. If you exist (I've seen only a couple of people), just know that you're right, always, you're cooking, keep going, I love you. Also you make the sexiest scenarios.
Davejohn / Pepsicola shippers
Most normal people in the world. Not in the "chill person" way like Communism shippers or "Some Dude" way like MUTANT2 shippers.
You're normal. Average even. You could be called "annoying" at times, for making jokes like "red and blue = pepsicola ah ah", but it's just a joke you make sometimes, in the most normal way. You're normal. You're ok.
Beta OT4 shippers
I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDIT: I apologize to DirkJake shippers. DaveShitKat shippers are definitely far far far far far far far far far far far more annoying.
#homestuck#my text#homestuck shipping#johnkat#davejade#dirkjake#davejohn#rosemary#meowrails#vrisfef#nepfef#solkat#erifef#karezi#daverose#katnep#vrisrezi#summonfang#beta ot4#sskat
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Live Arcane Reaction; Act 3:
Ep 7: Thank god the killmonger cut only exist in the hell dimension- donāt let them give you a fuck ass cut Ekko.
Powder my princess- IS THAT VANDERāS FINE ASS
OH MY GOD MILO CLAGGOR!!!
Jayce my princess I never doubted you. I knew the Hexcore fucked you up girlš«¶š¾
Goddammit every frame in this show is a painting
VI MY POOKIE BEAR WHY
There is something so heartbreaking about the Bridge of Progress being used as an actual progression between the two cities. An olive branch. What could have been.
Jayce istg they do not want you to be happy-
BRO HE JUST WANTED TO PLAY WITH SOME MAGIC-
āViktor is the mageā theory you might just have merit
Arcane artists I will see you in HELL for that Viktor/Jayce parallel of them literally building themselves up, morphing their damaged bodies to move forward.
Ekko and Jinx girls enjoy your SCRAPS-
WHAT WE COULD OF BEEN GODDAMMIT! FUCK!!!!!
Actual fucking tears in my eyes- FUCK THEY COULD HAVE BEEN SO CUTE- also the hard cut to Jayce and the Hexcore glitching like TV glitches as the universe breaks down.
MY BOY JUST WANYES TO PLAY IN SOME MAGIC!
Thank god he didnāt die in that universe too I would have crashed out Powder deserves to be- SHE KEPT THE CRYSTAL!?
Ep 8: oh thank god my Pookies is alive- IS ANYTHING SACRED- why the fit kinda eat thoā¦.
I need everyone to understand I was SO happy about Mel being alive that I barely understood anything those mages said. I was just happy my babygirl is alive. GOD THAT MAKES THE FLOWER IMAGERY IN THE OPENING MUCH BETTER.
I just remembered Isha is dead... FUCK HIEMERDINGER DIED TOO š
Nooo Vander- NO VIKTOR- nice to know I am not immune to indoctrination.
Huck cannot catch a break omfg
LORIS MY BELOVED š«¶š¾š«¶š¾š«¶š¾š«¶š¾
Hi traitor- omg Cait cute hairstyle
The divorce is not going well for these two.
Jayce and Mel have not seen each other for god knows how long- DONT FUCKING YELL AT HER JUST CAUSE YOUR SITUATIONSHIP WENT SOUTH!
The throuple is back together and itās TOXICCCC
I would just like to point out that when Viktor said this all started with Jayce, the parallels between Jayce and Ekko is still going. Like I could on for pages about these two at this point.
Fuck they made this Yaoi TOXIC-
FUCK THEY MADE THIS MAGIC TOXIC- is it wrong still stand by Viktor. Like I know heās wrong but heās so fine. Jayce and Viktorās parallels, Jayce and Ekko- lord.
FUCKING FINALLY THE SISTERS ARE- well shit
Jayce and Mel, I never doubted this ship. I never doubted this relationship. I thought they were good for each, the rest of the world is just full of haters.
Sevika thank god they dumb bitches get on my nerves, I need someone with a functioning brain cell to lead us to salvation.
Iām gonna be on my fucking deathbed talking about the Zaunites joining Piltover to fight a battle they done have to, to save their homes- to make Progress.
Vi, itās okay- OH MY GOD
Istg this show cannot- Iām- Ambessa my love Iām still reeling from the gays, give me a moment. VANDER MY LOVE NOOO! SINGED I'LL SEE YOU IN HELL!
Oh fuck- weāre in it now
Ep 9:
EKKO THANK GOD- most stressful 3 mins of my life.
Honestly I donāt trust these dumb bitches at all. Jayce and Vi are like 2 for 2 on losing fights. Ekko save us Ekko. I had hope on Sevika but her leaving is so real. She has been let down by these people so many times- GERT NOOOOO
LORIS NOOOOOO
Thank god fish guy made it
Ambessa rises from the ashes like a demon- I KNEW IT I KNEW THAT BITCH WAS A TRAITOR!
GOD IS A WOMAN AND HER NAME IS MEL MEDARDA!!!
YEA JINX! SEVIKA IM SORRY I DOUBTED YOU QUEEN NEVER AGAIN I SWEAR!
There is something so special to me about piano boy being the one to make the shot. Like the smallest thing can make a difference, anyone can rise to the occasion.
Of course Ambessa is one step ahead
I have issues, I still think Viktor is so hot rn.
I know my girls are getting their asses beat rn but letās appreciate they let the girls get down and dirty in a fight. No pretty fighting- my bitches scrap-
Bow your heads. We lost THE bad bitch today.
Omfg thereās still like 20 mins left
I should have known this plan was gonna go to shit the minute Jayce and Vi sat next to each other.
Praying for the salvation for my girl, Sevika I promised not to- FUCK
Ekko please save these idiots- SAVE US EKKO.
Jayce understanding that he was the soldier in the ash like yeah dummy- DID IT CLICK YET- Please let Viktor be the mage, I will not let this theory die.
Fuck I wanna side against Viktor but he looks gorgeous in the Arcane.
Oop Jayvik nation rise.
EKKO THANK GOD THATS MY BOY SAVIOR
HE WAS THE MAGE THE WHOLE TIME-
Iām actually in tears this isnāt a bit, like Iām actually crying
Viktor I never doubted you, I never forsaken you, I never hated you, I never turned against you, I never thought less of you. He could have actually succeeded and I would have stood by him.
Oh damn Jayvik nation rise for real, I was just joking the first time-
JINX I NEVER DOUBT- FUCK
This show is so beautiful, every scene a painting. Mel in all noxian gear while still wearing her purple eyeshadow, a mix of her roots but also the promise to move forwards and look ahead.
Yall im so fucking stressed and thereās only 3 minutes left.
No one talk to me for the next few days- Iām going through some shit okay-
#arcane#arcane season 2#arcane finale#arcane act 3 spoilers#arcane spoilers#arcane act 3#caitlyn kiramman#ambessa medarda#mel medarda#vi#viktor#jayce#ekko#jinx
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Im going to be so so so so so so so so so so soooo fucking for real. I hate Circe x Scylla with every FIBER every INCH OF MY BEING
Why? Because it's honestly victim x abuser
Ik we all like our toxic yuri, but let me out it this way: There are two main versions of Scylla's myth, that is, where Scylla is turned into a monster.
In one, she's turned into a monster by Circe for rejecting Glaukos. Which- She literally got her entire life TAKEN AWAY BY CIRCE because she rejected some dude she didn't like. And that Circe happened to like
Scylla didn't do anything wrong, that's just Circe being a bitch
And in another one, she runs away from Glaukos when he tried to charm her. And yadaya he went to Circe to ask for a potion to charm Scylla. Circe thought the gods wouldn't like something like that (idk that's what happened in the myth. But we all know our Greek mythology so this is kinda weird-) and offered to be Glaucus's lover instead. When he refused her, she got so angry and jealous she turned innocent Scylla into a monster.
SHE TOOK SCYLLA'S WHOLE LIFE AWAY BECAUSE SHE WAS PETTY šššššš
And NO Circe book, Circe didn't feel sorry about it.
I love Circe so much, like so much, but Scylla deserves someone so much better. Justice for Scylla I feel so bad for her. Girl rejects a guy she didn't like, and then gets morphed into a man eating monster
And also, ama need people to stop trying to put all the blame on glaucus and trying to justify Circe's actions. Just please acknowledge your "girl's girl girlboss doesn't need no man feminist icon" is actually a really terrible person. Shipping Circe with Scylla is like shipping Hera with one of the innocent women she killed for sleeping with Zeus (even though they didn't have a choice most of the time), it's literally just so ehh for me
And I'm not here to hate on anyone who likes the ship, but me personally? I hate it so much bro
Oh, I absolutely get where you're coming from. In general, when it comes to "toxic ships", it'll always be so much fascinating to me to just have them fucking hate each other. No romance or attraction and/or "hate-fucking".
I can understand the appeal of toxic yuri in a way (I've always preferred yuri in general over yaoi lol) but like, I think it's juicier even to have that visceral fucking hatred. Especially from Scylla's end. And even then, Circe talks mad shit about Scylla in the Odyssey.
In there lives Scylla. She has a dreadful yelp. Itās true her voice sounds like a new-born pup, but sheās a vicious beast. No mortal man would feel good seeing her, nor would a god who crossed her path. She has a dozen feet, all deformed, six enormously long necks,Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā with a horrific head on each of them, and three rows of teeth packed close together, full of murky death. Her lower body she keeps in her hollow cave, out of sight, but sticks her heads outside the fearful hole, and fishes there, scouring around the rock for dolphins, swordfish, or some bigger prey, whatever she can seize of all those beasts moaning Amphitrite keeps nourishing in numbers past all counting. No sailorsĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā yet can boast they and their ship sailed past her without disaster. Each of Scyllaās heads carries off a man, snatching him awayĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā right off the dark-prowed ship. [...] Why wonāt you yield to the immortal gods? Sheās not human, but a destroyer who will never dieā fearful, difficult, and fierceānot someoneĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā you can fight. Thereās no defence against her. The bravest thing to do is run away.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā If you linger by the cliff to arm yourself, I fear sheāll jump out once more, attack you with all her heads and snatch away six men, just as before. Row on quickly past her, as hard as you can go. Send out a call to Crataiis, her mother, who bore her to menace human beings. Sheāll restrain herā Scyllaās heads wonāt lash out at you again.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā
(Book 12, Johnston)
(I think it's interesting how Circe yells at Odysseus about how he won't yield to immortal gods but that's a bit outta context AND an entirely differently thing.)
It's kind of a curious thing in which Circe seems to imply that Scylla was BORN as a monster based on how she mentions Scylla's "mom". I don't know if this is just "Homeric version" of the myth or what but it's something neat to think about.
And honestly? My Circe, being the wacky potion making scientist gal I have her as, would probably be even more of a bitch in how "ooooo experiment time." only to realize "Oh wait, I made her too scary and TOO powerful. hm. nevermind. Not going near her."
With Circe and shipping, idk, I've always felt like she'd be like "messy". It's not that she's not capable of love, I think she's just like, so much of a "I do whatever the fuck I want" that she probably wouldn't really respect her partner's boundaries. She's like Maureen from "Rent" and/or PotC's Calypso where the only reason why she didn't see Davy Jones after he waited was "It's in my Nature".
In which she's just like "Look you either want me as I am, meaning I do whatever the fuck I want, OR you leave."
Like she loves, but she's not like, a ride or die partner. (I mean Odysseus was an experiment to her, as that's how she views mortals in my stuff. She thinks Mortals are kind of gross. She only has sex with him once because of this.) She's FwB with Hermes in my stuff as well, as yeah, Gods are less "gross".
Honestly, I think if people wanna ship Scylla with someone, I think Caribbidis would be fun?? Monster Wives??? (HOT) Both were cursed, they're close to each other, etc. Like, idk how much sentience Caribidis has, being a giant fucking mouth, but idk. maybe they could chat and bond?? even just as friends.
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What is your least favorite ship?
bro is asking sapph to get ~controversial~ on the dash today huh? LMFAO thankfully i love being a little hater and today i am ESPECIALLY ready to be a little hater i will have fun answering this. i put it below the cut just in case you donāt wanna see me shitting on a ship you potentially like but just know that if you ship it i donāt hate YOU as a person lmfao it aināt that deep. ALSO IM GONNA BE HYPERBOLIC AND DRAMATIC DONT GET MAD AT ME.
also a lot of rw ships are up to interpretation so itās like, the scugs are blank slates so 99% of this is based on my personal headcanons and nothing else. also im super fucking picky with my ships so i only really really love maybe like 5 between any of the characters
slivermoon: NOTP. literally laziest ship ever. people literally just want lesbians so they took the two girl characters and smashed them together. moon says like one thing about her and doesnāt even seem to know her that well. most milquetoast shit ever
bathbomb (arti x riv): i associate this ship with someone i despise 0/10 plus riv would get on artis last nerve
riv x hunter: theyāre sisters to me sorry
spears x hunter: again theyāre siblings to me sorry
enot x saint: theyāre soooo enemies and not in a hot way
actually now that i think about it i dont like any saint ships bc i hc hes aroace and also a massive dick
traffic light****: i hate the FANDOM DEPICTION of this ship, not the actual ship itself. it can actually be interesting but so much of it is just yaoi-ified boring ass wholesome shit that completely breaks both sig and sunsā personalities. it only works in a context where theyāre humans or if itās the most toxic, terrible ship ever
there are a couple others i just generally donāt like but those are the ones that i actively dislike. tbh if itās not lilypad, apple juice, cherry bomb, fishstick, ragequit, microchip (PIn x Pebbles), or a few others im either neutral or have never given it a single thought LOL
#sapph gets to be a hater. god bles#rw#letters#ALSO IM BEING DRAMATIC AND HYPERBOLIC WITH MOST OF THEM. if you ship these thatās fine donāt attack my ass GKSHLFDHLD
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Kyman YouTuber x Twitch streamer au where they are both popular creators on their both respective platforms yet literally both them and their fans hate each other with a extreme burning passion
Cartman was already like canonically a YouTuber(the cartmanbrah thing) but I do think he'd fit better as a twitch streamer, anyways he would definitely be like a ishowspeed type of streamer, where he's so controversial it leads to infamy to actual fame, for every hater he has, he has 3 more fans that find him incredibly hilarious. He'd definitely be aware of his notoriety and try profitting off of it, although he'd probably slow down over time because he doesn't want any of the sponsors to drop him LMAO.
Now over to Kyle, I think he'd have like the total opposite of Cartmans career, where Cartman blew up incredibly fast because of his persona, Kyle would have started earlier and overtime rose to popularity,at first he'd definitely be one of those "hidden gems" type of youtubers, where he has a small but dedicated fanbase that enjoy the variety of his content. I think he'd have like many types of videos(video essays and raising awareness for other important topics) at first, his videos are quite awkward and janky but overtime you can see him improve him as his mic quality gets better and his videos get more detailed, he'd be known for a few very popular call-out videos he made for other creators, his fans would love him because of of his sincerity and how he isn't afraid to call out other people on their bs, and whereas Cartman is loud and brash, Kyle is very polite and civil(even in his call-out videos) and he very rarely gets mad or rages out loud in his videos(well until cartman shows up in his videos LMAO)
I think they'd both blow up at the same time and get extreme amounts of attention, Cartman because of his streaming and his very horrid remarks and Kyle because of a very well-researched 3 HOURS long video essay where the topic/title is basically "How content creators breed toxicity in their community and others" with a HUGE png of cartman slapped onto the thumbnail. (Most of the segments are basically about Cartman with passing mentions of other creators) Anyways his fans would notice a big difference in his behavior in this new video because of how frustrated he is LMAO and how much he uses subjective language, "HES A RUDE, MANIPULATIVE SOCIOPATHIC ANTISEMITIC ASSHOLE WHO HAS NO REGARD FOR ANYONE ELSE AND HIS FANS AND SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THE PLATFORM" he'd def gain new fans from this but I think cartmans fans would find the video and start clowning/spam the comment section and Kyles new and old fans would defend him and now both of their fambases are basically waging war on each other
(Also even before the essay or when they both gained fame, Cartman would tweet about how much Kyles videos/channel suck ON HIS MAIN ACCOUNT like "Wow Kyle looks extra bitchy in this video, Is he on his period?/ Kyle uses so much of his jew brain in this video yet his conclusion here is much so dumb like multiverses are____"
Anyways Cartman would sooo definitely tease the shit of Kyle after that video, he'd be like "Kahl, obviously, I'm your reason for fame you shouldn't treat me so- AW SHIT, KIYAL THAT FUCKINH HURTS" and Kyle "Your fatass deserves it"
Also they would narrowly avoid being cancelled because of their behavior towards each other, Cartman for his (implied) antisemitism calling Kyle a jew many times as an insult and Kyle for his (very direct) fatphobia towards Cartman lmao fortunately when anyone tries to cancel the two of them, both of their fanbases put aside their differences and defend them from everything.
Just wait until the yaoi fangirls(us) find them and kickstart a new saga LMAOO
#despite being so different i like to think they'd gain fans for the same trait#their sincerity and honesty AAA i love when kyman are more similar than they think#kyman#sp kyman#south park kyman#south park#kymannies please interact#kyle broflovski#eric cartman#kyman fanfiction
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Unused Submissions for the Favorite Rivalry Showdown!
justin and trent
please im so tired of seeing fluffy ship art of them THEY DO NOT LIKE EACH OTHER
justin literally got him eliminated i cant imagine they had a good relationship after action
"one time justin threw a tambourine at me and that kinda hurt >:|"
THE GUITAR SNATCH AND GLARE IN CELEBRITY MANHUNT
you know they had the nastiest most jawdropping arguments in the recording room during drama brothers recording sessions
uhh yeah they hate each other they should get to fight to the death as a treat
Alejandro and duncan
they're perfect
Scax
is this a rivalry? idk
Dave vs Leonard
IT'S ME! I DON'T BELIEVE IN YOU! NOW PICK UP THE PIG!
Lindsay vs Courtney
it was brief but it was enjoyable
Izzy and Justin
They're sooo funny, especially cause they're exes
Julia vs Priya
I donāt actually think this is the best one Iām just putting it here because we need more reboot characters in this bracket
Whatever Lindsay and Beth had with Heather after Island
you go girls
Geoff and Trent
hockey bros vs birds
why do they get beat up by birds so frequently
Dawn and Scott
Ok sure they lasted for two scenes but THEY COULD'VE BEEN SUCH GOOD RIVALS MAN
Julia vs Every Other TD '23 Blonde
Nominating this because I think it's funny
Julia and Caleb
I donāt actually gaf about them but i like when julia hit him with a frying pan or something
the roti writers and gen 2 female characters
they did them so dirty :(
bowie vs straight people
he's seen enough
chris vs blaineley
divorced enemies sweep
lightning vs cameron
it was ooc but it kinda slayed
Chris and Sierra
The New York episode. Please Chris should've been a hater the whole season and Sierra wouldn't notice it would be funny. See my vision
Ezekiel Vs Death
I just know Death keeps snapping those bony fingers any time Ezekiel escapes death
Emma and Julia
white on white violence
Terry and Chref
We saw that tweet
Mal and Julia
Mal plays the game really well and Julia's getting insecure. But I have faith Julia will triumph
Marmaduke and Garfield
I love tti
Me vs Blaineley
We are currently fighting over who gets 2 date Kelly (I'm winning)
larry v chef
chefās gotta defend his man what can I say
Everyone (- Priya) Vs Caleb
He literally has no friends.
priya's personality versus the writers
season 2. need I say more?
Heather Vs Blaineley
I cannot tell you how funny it is that Blaineley turned up to the TD jumbo jet and chose violence against a girl half her age
Ezekiel and Chris
demolish that monster zeke
Sky vs Dave
He tried to kill her I think this counts as a rivalry at least a little bit
Damien vs Millie
Yeah! The finish line!
Duncney
toxic yaoi
Noah anf Harold
autism on autism violence and we love that
do alejandro and noah count,,, if not im voting leshawna and heather
brainrot says so
jasmine and shawn
just being a hater here, they were much more tolerable (but still crappy) when she hated him over them being a couple
dramarama ella and dramarama max
why couldnt this be their dynamic in the canon show
Damien & Julia
WE WERE ROBBED OF THEM!!!!
MK vs the bear
They literally fought in a duel together
Geoff/Bridgette and blaineley
Ma'am that's a child. Leave him by
Mal Vs Duncan
They suck I hope they get in so they're elimination fodder so someone else can go forward easily.
alejandro puppet and heather
1984
Wayne and me
I hate you little white boy! Get a job
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mizutaigen is literally like. the first "toxic" m/f ship i've ever cared for. cuz like usually my taste in m/f ships is basically "unhinged baddie" x "badass wifeguy" *
* (see:yen/geralt. trevor/sypha. adolin/shallan. kataang but katara is sane and they're literally so wholesome like theyre traumatised kids in love who are each other's emblem of hope in a war-torn world! so basically they don't count. anyway. i'm rambling.)
and to that end my friend called mizutaigen yaoi-adjacent and im like. yeah you're right actually cuz like hell yeah non-binary mizu and bisexual taigen rights and all the gender fuckery in the show in general
but also like.
theres just SOMETHING else about mizutaigen that just GETS me. like there's a special secret sauce like the pheromones in that one sephora lotion attracting spiders and i am the silly spider!!! there's just something about it!!! it's not even the enemies to lovers trope cuz i personally am not even usually into that (obv it's fine if you are. but yk.)
so as i keep rotating these thoughts around i thiiink it's the fact that, yknow, theyre so similar. like i honestly truly think they could be besties in another universe: a kinder universe where taigen was not taught to hate. a universe where mizu was not born a girl in a deeply misogynistic society or half-white in a xenophobic homogeneous society.
yeah now that i think about it that really just might be THE secret sauce!!! like the fact that they COULD be perfect and happy together, if only things were different, if only they werent themselves.
smth v bittersweet about that's just driving me insane and makes me want to root for them to overcome all those obstacles, to say "fuck all that" (re:the world and all its fucked up shit) and find each other in the end. to eventually become each other's fav person and confidant. who obv still bicker and tease and insult each other all the time but they dont really mean any of it and over time it just becomes a running gag between them and no one else has to get it because it's just between the two of them.
#mizu x taigen#taigen x mizu#taimizu#[clenches fist] it's about the POTENTIAL of it all!!!!!#like taigen's last words in s1 being 'we're not done yet' like ?!? has me WANTING to see more. wanting to see them grow with each other#like i want taigen by the end to be ridiculously head over heels WHIPPED and SMITTEN willing to die and kill and just be BETTER. for mizu.#mizu. the person who changed his entire life. his entire worldview. pulled the rug from under him and made him a man forever changed.#to overcome his selfishness so he can be mizu's HOME in a world that doesn't allow her one#i want him to end up deciding like. 'on purpose. im going to love you on purpose.'#and mizu no matter how much she tries to convince herself that she cannot love or be loved. ends up accepting it anyway#love as work and violence but also love as rest and safety#and also bcs taigen represents the ideals of society. him willing to change & grow also represents society's potential to change & progress#LMAO okay sorry i absolutely cannot stop rambling about these bitches the brainworms are insane#bcs i just noticed that other mizutaigen enjoyers tend to also be in the same fandom circles for ships that i just. do not like. at all#and wondered like huh. i wonder why that is. and wondering what makes mizutaigen different#idk just ignore me i dont even know if im making sense my brain is goop from working on my research proposal#shut up haydar#fandom.rtf
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Third Place
Propaganda Under Cut
Every Supernatural Woman
Supernatural is so mean to women and committed to queerbaiting but it still gives Sam and Dean lovers to kill. The writers kill and villainize them and the fans get the few that remain
wincest and destiel shippers cannot handle the idea of their blorbos having a Woman THREATENING their SHIPS god FORBID
It literally used to be a running joke that if a female character got introduced you knew she was going to die soon because fans would react so negatively to her "stealing" one of the boys away from the big ship, whether it be destiel or wincest
Casca
She is part of a weird fucked up love triangle with two dudes. All three of them are honestly kind of terrible for each other but she gets shoved aside in favor of the two dudes in most fics and is not allowed to grow past the toxic relationships of her past. Also sheās a cis woman who dresses pretty masculinely (because sheās in a mercenary band) so she gets type casted as the mean lesbian friend, when sheās straight in canon
I've seen more than one Yaoi Shipper say that Casca should have died during this one big canon event as opposed to being assaulted by one of the people in the Yaoi Ship, which of course conveniently would remove her from the narrative and as an obstacle to said Yaoi Ship. Aside from that specifically, though, I think it's particularly cruel to imply that being killed is a better outcome than being a victim of SA, and is an example of the contempt fandom on the whole has for female characters who act traumatized - particularly when both male characters in the ship have similar trauma and its never implied they should have died rather than be assaulted.
She's an incredibly interesting character in her own right with really good dynamics and parallels to Griffith and Guts, and the way those three play off of each other is integral to the story, but most of what I've seen completely ignores her in favor of focusing on only Griffith and Guts
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As Fruba fan, are you team Yuki/Kakeru or Yuki/Machi? Why?
I'm a multishipper at heart so I never feel the need to choose uwu (multishippers, we stay winning). But to be honest, Kakeru and Yuki's relationship feels more brotherly to me. Sorry YuKakeYu shippers, I personally don't see it but I can see why y'all do. Considering the canonical bi/pan characters we have like Ayame and Hatsuharu, I don't find it out of the realm of possibility to see Yuki as pan or demi (which I personally do).
Bro connects with who he connects with, gender and sexual orientation have little to do with it.
But if we're talking about who I ship Yuki with above all else? There is a character I firmly believe Yuki would have ended up romantically with if things in the story were different and Kakeru and Machi don't come close at all to being that other person.
It's Kyo.
I am deadass serious when I say it is Kyo.
This is not some toxic yaoi shipping bullshit, I have evidence to back up my claims!
No one will ever be able to convince me that Yuki's first crush wasn't Kyo. Yuki was literally smitten with Kyo and his hair upon their first meeting, the pink on his cheeks wasn't just coming from the snow. This is a hill I will 100% die on. It was Kyo but then Kyo's hostility and the complications with Akito and the entire zodiac curse got in the way of that.
Hell, I don't even really have to imagine what that relationship would have likely been like either because by extension of Hajime and Mutsuki, we get to see that.
Their sons who are literally so close that it is a joke-that-isn't-really-a-joke at the family functions that if they're even left alone together for one second, they'll start hanging all over one another. Their sons who, narratively, are supposed to represent what their fathers' relationship could have been if there had been no curse or any other sort of negative influence tainting it.
And with the very clear romantic overtones of Hajime and Mutsuki's relationship, I think it is subsequently clear where Yuki and Kyo's relationship would have headed if that night they met as kids went differently. Or had someone decided to intervene and get the two of them on more amicable terms as children.
Hajime and Mutsuki have adored each other since they were children, spent most of their time together which they continue doing in the present and they balance each other out by supplementing for each other what the other lacks. And, of course, their chemistry is extremely good.
Whatever happened in the past, we're just us, butā¦ maybe it's really special forĀ ourĀ dadsĀ to seeĀ youĀ and me standing side by side like this. ć¼ Mutsuki, Yuki's son to Hajime
(Like, they literally spend Valentine's Day together when they could easily just spend that day apart. I know they live together but they don't need to be that damn close to partake in the romance holiday goodies.)
And to me, Kyo and Yuki have some great chemistry not only when they're arguing with one another (which I say it's great chemistry because of the envy they feel towards one another, how they only see what is good in the other rather than the flaws. Ex, Yuki's great at everything in Kyo's mind while Yuki desires Kyo's ability to easily connect with people despite his social awkwardness) but during the moments they aren't at each other's throats as well.
Admittedly it could just be my multishipper goggles, but there are 2 main character relationships/dynamics in Fruits Basket where I think 'if you didn't end up with A, you definitely would have ended up with B'. One is more subtle, the other is extremely obvious (I just think some people will be mad at me if I say it lmao, y'all can boo me all you want though I'm right!!!!).
YuKyo is one of those ships for me and it's the more subtle of the two.
Like it is there but it doesn't become obvious until you get to Furuba Another and get introduced to their sons. So I really don't think it is much of a stretch to say that had things been different, we would have seen Kyo and Yuki have an entirely different relationship.
"Adoration turned into envy"??? Yuki, my lad, you couldn't be more obvious that your crush on Kyo became something bitter.
Yuki wanted Kyo to like him, a fact he admits to Kakeru when we dive more into his past. There's a part of him that still wants Kyo to like him and have some sort of positive relationship with each other. And by the end of the main series, there's peace with one another. An acceptance that their relationship may never get to the 'what it could have been' but they have each other's back regardless.
Which I think is lovely. So even with my love of the canon ships we got, YuKyo is one of my favorite Fruits Basket ships that live rent-free in my head.
#look she's answering#anon#fruits basket#furuba#fruba#yumachi#yukimachi#yukikakeru#kakeyuki#tbh wtf is their ship name? no idea#love how this was about kakeru and machi and this became about kyo instead lmaoooo fjsdnfkjndfkjn#sohma yuki#sohma kyo#sohma hajime#sohma mutsuki#hajimutsuki#hajime x mutsuki#animanga thoughts
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(TW: Mentions of SA)
Following my posts about Owen and John/Johnto, there is something I would like to put out there that I feel like is very important to say.
You can like ANY torchwood character/ship.
I saw a post on twtwt saying āall Owen fans agree with SAā no they donāt! You can like Owen and acknowledge his actions are bad and the same with John. The problem arises when you deny their actions, defend them or you attempt to justify them. That doesnāt just matter for these two characters, but any of them.
Every character in Torchwood is morally grey; none of them are good people. That is what is so great about the show. HOWEVER, if you cannot criticise these actions and try to pretend that they never happened for the sake of your āperfect characterā because it removes what makes them so interesting.
I will never not like someone because of a fictional character they like or a ship they ship, however if they start actively defending an action such as literal SA then I wonāt associate with them because that is disgusting. Realistically only a VERY small portion of Owen, John etc fans are like this.
Also a very small thing I want to add because while Iāve only seen this once or twice it made my blood boil. Yes TDOCJ was an AU and yes In the shadows was a hallucination. However you cannot say that to excuse Johns actions only to use those exact scenes to back up your ātoxic yaoiā ship in cannon. SA isnāt fucking āToxic ship! :3ā it is a crime.
#wanted to get that off my chest#because I want yall to know I will not hate you for being fans of Owen or John#or for shipping Johnto#torchwood#john hart#johnto#owen harper
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I really liked your analysis on the discourse around flower husbands and I would like to give my personal perspective from someone whoās been here since the end of third life.
The fandom was 100% still reeling over from negative effects of no shipping in the hermitcraft fandom. The majority of life series fans came from hermitcraft as well, after all nearly all of the players in third life were hermits. You could joke about treebark and maybe scarian being gay but I remember seeing a lot of homoerotic art being tagged āTHIS IS NOT SHIP ART ITS PLATONICā and later on a few of those artists would post shipping art without fear. If you had a romantic interpretation of a relationship in third life, you would quickly chalk it up to being friends. Shipping was still uncomfortable territory for many. Maybe because they didnāt like shipping themselves and werenāt expose to it or maybe they did but was still feeling the effects from others in 2019/2020.
Flower husbands you couldnāt chalk it up to just being friends. If you didnāt like shipping you can make everything platonic but you would look like an idiot trying to say that they were āgood friendsā or āroommatesā in third life. No, Scott and Jimmy were known as husbands, they did it themselves. Not the fans, the creators themselves. Yes there will be dramatic and angsty ship art of the two. For everyone else? Not really. Like I said, people would have to explicitly say it wasnāt ship art between Ren and Martyn or Scar and Grian. If you didnāt want that type of art you just wouldnāt look at Scott or jimmyās tags. Simple as that.
As time went on I would say around double life shipping had coursed its way back into the fandom. Having a romantic interpretation of Treebark was fine, just properly tag it and everyone was chill. Same with Scarian, hell, I would say the shipping lens started taking over more than the platonic one lol. And with double life having soulmates, that gave the shipping culture a big boost. You donāt like it? Well itās gonna be hard to avoid Bdubs or Impulses tags when theyāre making āhoney imm home!ā jokes or BigB and Grian literally in their own words ācheating on their soulmate for their secret soulmateā Grian saying āIām gonna take your manā is just fuel to the ever growing fire. If you didnāt like shipping then buckle up because double life was fruity as hell with nearly all of the creators. Mother fucking Joel Smallishbeans made a ship called āThe Relationsā and put Ethoās face on his skinās shirt. You couldnāt avoid shipping at all when the creators are also the ones doing it.
So shipping is wild spread now and more accepted. As for flower husbands well you couldnāt really make the ship more than ātragic gays with fluff and angstā
Scarian you could make it toxic, you could make it healthy, you could make it whatever you want because it was never ācanonā. Flower husbands was built in a time where shipping was uncertain and a lot of their early day works was either them being fluffy husbands together or tragic yaoi. To make one of them toxic it was out of the question.
I however could not tell you why itās only Scott being the ātoxicā perpetrator in flower husbands. Could be an individualās bias and own experiences, could be how they view the creators, maybe a bit of projection or maybe they have only been exposed to toxic!scott that branching out to toxic!jimmy, something thatās extremely rare, might be hard and they donāt want to put the work in to make it themselves.
In conclusion, flower husbands was the only way you could ship in early days of the life series because you couldnāt ignore the romantic relationship Scott and Jimmy portrayed. If you did with other relationships it could easily be chalked up to being friends and if something could be seen as shipping you HAD to disclose that it wasnāt. Flower husbands was allowed but dear god if you said a king and his hand was tragic yaoi you would have been sniped.
People are attached to a ship that was the āacceptableā ship so having a negative interpretation can be viewed as bashing the ship or worse one of the creators (most often Scott) but now that itās more open to other interpretations people are rightfully be a bit protective.
Also also if you have found any posts interpretation Jimmy being the toxic person with his relationship with Scott please do share. I havenāt seen any posts like that and Iām quite bored of toxic!scott within flower husbands shipping. I need a little bit of spice in my life you know? Anyway, have a good day.
Yeah this is pretty much what I assumed, ty for the peer review šŖ
I think I didn't make my point about Jimmy clear, my bad -- my point was that making FH toxic was always discourse that reflected back onto Scott, instead of Jimmy. I don't think it's the Jimmy fans up in arms was what I was trying to convey.
I personally see Scott as abusive towards Jimmy and have held this view since my first watch of Scott's 3L POV. I feel like it's almost hard not to arrive at this conclusion if you approach it in the same way you approach other ships. i.e. I've never seen someone storyboard the "go back and get the sugar cane!" sequence from episode 1 and have it not read as anything other than that (btw if anyone knows any way of making this scene not horrifying I'd be genuinely curious)
As for toxic jimmy posting, I'm not the biggest fan of these interpretations because I operate by a different school of thought when it comes to this series and I've found some arguments for Jimmy being toxic in the past a little uncomfortably reminiscent of irl victim-blaming but that being said who am I to get in the way of people making stuff they enjoy. I'm not the FH/Scott maintag š¤·āāļø
There's this guy who's posted a few things in the FH tag that I find fun.
Their posts range from the usual FH fluff to Jimmy cheating on Scott and Scott leaving Jimmy for someone else.
This one's a personal favourite.
I would also love it if I could summon this anon for you I think you guys could workshop smth together
But other than those specific examples I have definitely seen more vague posts that imply Jimmy mistreats Scott, you might wanna hit up the Scott/Tango shippers? Snowbugs, I think their name is? Lots of memes in there about just ditching Jimmy lol
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not to sound like one of those tinfoil hat people who thinks aliens exist but does anybody else think the helluva boss shorts are just some quick distractions for keeping the fandom from asking about the playbills and getting a refund?
like think about it season two is barely struggling to finish three episodes yet spindlehorse can pump out three animated shorts that are related to the original premise of the show which is not good because thatās something the fandom really misses but Vivzepop is like NUH UH you get toxic yaoi
Plus isnāt the whole point of the shorts are supposed to be filler episodes based on the side cast not the main characters cause how the first short is like āMille and her sister has a girl day out!ā to āimp actually doing their jobs for onceā
again itās really suspicious how everyone is asking about the playbills and suddenly helluva boss is dropping out mini episodes acting like the fans are not literally losing their patience for something they been wanting for a year now
Nah, that is justified because frankly I wouldn't blame anyone thinking there are shenanigans going on due to Vivziepop's history of bs.
#helluva boss#helluva boss critical#vivziepop critical#vivziepop criticism#vivziepop#helluva boss criticism#helluva boss critique#hazbin hotel#anti-vivziepop#hazbin hotel critical
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