#like you dont have to ship wolfstar explicitly honestly
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mo0n-water · 1 year ago
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okay hi, the incredibly epic & awesome yasha noted this in the prev tags, but this is a huge issue in the moonwater tags as well & i’d like to talk about it! (also, a big problem in the blackinnon tag, but i don’t think we as a fandom are ready to talk about that haha)
(also, not to take away from the prongsfoot aspect of this post, but i did wanna talk about it in the case of moonwater in particular because i know that’s what a lot of people follow me for & we do have such a fucking problem with tagging)
moonwater and “platonic moonwater” aren’t interchangeable. they describe the same two people, yeah, but the dynamics & the reason we’re here are entirely different. thus, in theory, the content under those tags is going to be very different. i say in theory, because in reality, this isn’t the case. a lot of actual moonwater posts are buried under posts that may have *some* remus & regulus content, but are neither explicitly romantic NOR exclusively moonwater. a lot also have jegulus or wolfstar. it’s annoying. stop doing it.
i understand why the platonic moonwater tag exists, & i honestly don’t really care in the context of tumblr specifically, but you shouldn’t be tagging platonic posts (ESPECIALLY not ones that also contain jegulus &/or wolfstar) with the romantic tag. you’re invading a space that you clearly don’t even want to be in. i’ve been trying to make this point for a while with my “romantics your platonic moonwater” jokes but fr y’all. stop it.
also, can we take a minute to talk about how weird people have been about moonwater since “platonic moonwater” became trendy? i feel like 9/10 when i go into a fandom space & mention moonwater, the overwhelming response is “i love them! only platonic moonwater though” which is passive aggressive & kinda contrary to fandom etiquette. i’d get eaten alive if i said that about dorlene or jegulus or wolfstar. i feel like this being such a common occurrence is part of why we should be using ship names for… you know, ships, rather than any old duo. moonwater and regulus & remus are entirely different, so let’s keep it that way.
along with flooding the tags with non-moonwater posts, i’m also tired of people posting in the moonwater tag to talk about remus or regulus – it’s a ship tag, not a character tag. i understand it’s for reach, but you’re reaching the wrong people & simultaneously clogging up our tag.
it’s especially an issue with rarepairs because we’re so badly outnumbered by the people who don’t like our ship. our tags are supposed to be a safe space, but instead we see posts by people who explicitly DONT ship our otps (again, that is without a doubt what the ‘platonic’ tag means) whenever we’re scrolling through the tags
this fandom is so awful about tagging etiquette. let’s work on it.
hey hey hey since we’re popping in just for hot takes, here’s another one:
platonic. prongsfoot. isn’t. a. thing.
how many fucking times does this have to be said.
should i start tagging every remus and sirius interaction as platonic wolfstar??? clog up the whole goddamned tag for u????
honestly what is so hard to understand that a ship name denotes…A FUCKING SHIP
and in case it bears repeating: a ship is inherently non-platonic thank u very much. a ‘platonic ship’ is…wait for it…a friendship. there u have it. shocker i know.
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legumelupin · 4 years ago
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i dont think i will ever argue with someone about whether or not wolfstar is canon. idk how to put it but if you don’t think it’s canon, fine whatever i’m not going to force you to think it is or even debate with you about it. but that just means you probably not queer/can’t read queer-coding which again, is fine, but is incredibly straight of you and at this point i just don’t know if we’ll have similar opinions for the rest of series and i’m not interested in arguing about things. you don’t have to explicitly ship wolfstar to acknowledge sirius and remus’s queercoding but by not acknowledging the way they were written, it’s kind of like ignoring key aspects of their characters.
i have a friend irl who is very Straight and is a ‘gryffindor’ (she’s a ravenclaw who wants her main character moment and i dont blame her but please, you can be the main character and not be gryffindor (this is not important to this small rant)). but i brought up wolfstar to her and she said ‘haha yeah! ive seen theories about that but i just love remus and tonks. but it’s interesting!’
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okay goodbye. we can be friends but ur on thin ice and now you make me nervous. remus lupin is so obviously written as gay/bi and tonks so obviously as queer in some type of way that anyone who doesn’t see how forced remodora is makes me nervous. not saying you can’t or shouldn’t ship it but the author saw she wrote one obviously gay character and another who was definitely queer, probably non-binary and almost certainly a lesbian and tried to pair them together and in doing so took a very interesting and different character and made her.....plain? it just doesn’t make sense in a lot of ways and literally just feels Not Right. yes, there was a war happening at the time and everything and wartime marriages and not knowing if you’ll live to the next day and what have you but i personally don’t feel like that applies to this specific case.
bc remodora is so heteronormative in a way and forced and it doesn’t make sense. there are a lot of ways it can be written to make sense, i’m sure but even harry was shocked in the books at tonks and remus’s relationship. and i don’t chalk that up to his obviliousness. he was right in being confused because there was little to no chemistry.
anyway, straights just need to, in the words of kakashi hatake from naruto, see underneath the underneath. because there is no way that remus lupin wasn’t gay and that wolfstar wasn’t a thing at the very least during their time at and immediately after hogwarts.
this was just a little personal rant about straight people ✨ not aimed at anyone specifically here at all i just see a lot of hp tiktok and people who take remus to be straight.
and any baby gay/queer who just discover wolfstar, this isn’t about you either. this is specifically about straight people who can’t read queercoding and take canon at face value without criticizing it at all (which is obviously a much larger conversation).
THIS IS NOT A REMODORA HATE POST!!!! i have said it once on this blog i will say it a thousand more times: i do not care who you ship. i will not bother you about who you ship (with the obvious exceptions of pedophilia but that’s a whole other conversation). but in this case, remodora stans continue on strong i love you for shipping this ship, it’s just not my personal boat.
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sirius-archive · 7 years ago
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what are your otps and notps for harry potter fandom?
OTP’s:
1. Jily
2. James Potter x Lily Evans
3. Lily Evans x James Potter
4. James & Lily
5. Lily & James
….I think you get the idea, nonnie. In my faq, I explain that Jily is the only ship I actually ship in Harry Potter, idk why i just ??? I like Deamus and Flintwood and I also like Linny and Pavender but,,,,that’s it really? Romione is eh like they’re cute but that’s it. And Harmony i can see and understand but it’s not a ship i can just leap onto. Hinny…I’m not okay with. Like it’s not a NOTP but…I wish JK had given Ginny more of a role in Harry’s life like I wish her character was more…idk…present in the books before HBP (with the exception of COS which no one likes anyway). I just feel like they’re not well suited (this could be biased as I still cling onto the schoolgirl crush I harbored for Harry my entire childhood, lol) 
I wouldn’t sign my soul over for these ships tho like I would for Jily…..ah just thinking of them makes my heart flutter. Other ships: Harry x happiness, Regulus x happiness, remus x happiness, sirius x happiness, cedric x happiness, dobby x happiness, fred weasly x happiness (actually, I can really get behind Fred x Hermione, too!), tonks x happiness, colin x happiness, everyone else who died during BOH x happiness. 
okay, this is the part that has fangirls screeching. 
NOTP’s:
1. DRARRY
2. Wolfstar
3. Snily *shudders*
4. I can’t think of anything else? 
Okay, okay, I’ll explain my thoughts. 
I don’t like Drarry because I still have a grudge on Draco for all the shit he put the trio through (especially Harry) so I don’t see why Harry would turn to his childhood bully for a romantic relationship? like if I’m going to ship Harry with anyone, it’s either Hermione, Luna or Cedric. Preferably Cedric because soft boys deserve one another. 
Now, I can already hear you aggressively tapping away at your keypad, readying your canons of destruction. ‘James was a bully and your OTP was Jily! It’s the same as Drarry!’ 
No, No it’s not. James changed. He became a better person. He stopped bullying others and was so good, Dumbledore elected him as Head Boy despite the fact he wasn’t a prefect. That is a pretty big transformation. It was only then that Lily started to reciprocate feelings for him – when she saw that he was making an effort. 
Draco…didn’t change. Not really. He was still a bitch to Harry, even after Harry saved his life. Now, Draco is a complicated character, and I have the feeling that he has no idea how to express himself or his emotions so I get that he might be a bit prickly. But he really has no redemption arch, unless you accept Cursed Child as canon, which I blatantly ignore. 
Now, I’m sorry to all the Draco fans who follow me. As a writer, I understand that every character has flaws and they have characteristics that redeem those flaws. For Draco, I’d say that his courage to not dob Harry in during DH was def a positive development. And his story arc during HBP does make me sympathize with him a little more. He reminds me of Regulus, in a way. They both got too deep in with the sharks, and before they knew it, they were drowning. But…I don’t think Draco is misunderstood. He made clear choices and he was aware of the consequences. Regulus saw what he was getting into and stopped Voldy. Draco? he…didn’t do anything? not really? 
Okay, Wolfstar. Now it’s not explicitly a NOTP, I just…it doesn’t make sense. Heres why. 
In POA, Remus and Sirius apologize to each other for suspecting the other of being the spy working for Voldemort. Now….why would lovers suspect each other? Lovers trust one another, that’s what makes them lovers. They’d just know that person wouldn’t be capable of such a thing. It sounds stupid but that’s what you’re like when you’re in love. You don’t think that person will betray you or others in such a way. 
Also, if Sirius was so in love with Remus, why would he expose his secret to Snape in the hopes of using Remus as a weapon to bully Snape with? That’s just wrong. Don’t get me wrong, y’all know how much I love my boy Sirius but the man had serious flaws (no pun intended), and using Remus that way shows that he didn’t fully appreciate the gravity of Remus’ condition and - furthermore- disrespected it all together. That was a dick move and not something Sirius would do to his lover. 
It’s clear that Sirius was devoted purely to James. Sirius would have died for him, afterall. I don’t think he was as close to Remus than he was to James. Sure, I think they were friends, close friends actually, but James and Sirius were like brothers. ‘never saw one without the other.’ Inseparable. And they remained that way until James’ death, and even then, Sirius was still loyal to James. I honestly cant’ see Sirius being closer to anyone but James. 
Now I know what you’re thinking: ‘It’s completely fine to have friends and still be in love.’ Well…duh. That’s obvious, isn’t it. But. Lets be real: once your friend gets a significant other, their devotion shifts primarily to that lover. Now that’s not to say that they don’t stay friends – James was still friends with Sirius when he started dating Lily. But Lily was now apart of his life in a way that Sirius couldn’t be. I really don’t believe Sirius ever loved anyone other than James, and if I’m going to ship him with someone other than myself (I’m selfish, I know) or with happiness, I’d ship Sirius with James. Those two…yes. Def. I could get behind that. But not with Remus…no. 
Also, JK Rowling confirmed that Sirius didn’t have a love interest Pre-Azkaban because “he was too busy being a badass.” That makes more sense. And I know we totally disregard what JK has to say but lets face it, she knows him better than anyone, doesn’t she? 
Okay, finally, Snily. 
I don’t think I have to explain this very much. 
Lily was far too good for Snape and that’s it. Now, I love Snape pining over Lily because, honestly, I’m inlove with that angel of pure softness too. But I don’t think they were ever romantically involved,  it’s clear that Lily only saw him as a friend and nothing more. 
Now, some other ships that I dont like: Remadora (idk i’m just iffy, maybe its the age gap?), Pansy parkinson x anyone (I would love to just smash canon Pansy in the face with a brick because that bitch is nasty and I hate her with a passion) Ginny x Tom Riddle (???????? abuser and victim ???? gtf away from me) Dramione (again with the bully x victim thing) I can’t think of anything else tbh? oh! Regulus x Petunia. Actually, anyone other than Vernon x Petunia. I just….I’m holding a grudge against her, too. I really love my girl Lily and the way petunia made lily feel, especially making Lily feel that it was her fault, really grates my cheese. 
Wow, that was….really deep. 
Now, i’d like to finish up by saying: Everyone has a right to ship what they want. So I’m not sorry that i ship/don’t ship these characters together. And I don’t mind if you unfollow me because of it, too. It’s your choice, it’s your opinion and you’re entitled to that. that’s fine. You do you, my dude. But don’t you dare bombard your way into my inbox and contaminate it with salt. Bitch, grow up and drink a tall glass of happy juice. If you’re looking for drama, go somewhere else and satisfy your drama fetish. 
that’s all i have to say about that. lol, that sounds harsh but idgaf. Friendly, curious questions are fine but not bitchiness. take a dump somewhere else.
To sum this up: I don’t ship ship anything but Jily. Sure, there are ships that I find cute but nothing that can match Jily. 
Okay, I’m out.  
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