#like the argents threaten Derek multiple time over the series

[casually-eat-my-soul]

I might get hate for this but I’ll it always find it funny that Scott pushes Derek to work with the argents (season 3 ish) and and struggles to understand why when he refuses to; When Scott himself refused to work with Derek for the longest time becuase Derek killed Peter.

Like brother in Christ, I get it, objectively Derek kinda manipulated Scott into helping kill Peter, by promising that he would be able to kill Peter and turn human (he did say it was a fat chance and just a legend). Yes he knew that the legend was bullshit but telling Scott was the best way to get him to help.

Dereks been a werewolf his entire life. He knew that he couldn’t kill Peter alone and that the risk of letting Scott kill Peter on a chance of turning human wasn’t worth it. — Best case it happens Scott turns human, Derek maybe becomes an alpha werewolf (the spark transfers) and still creates the hale pack — maybe derek stays an Omega, goes feral and gets hunted down. Or maybe Scott turns into an alpha doesn’t handle it well, goes feral, and than gets killed by either 1 Derek or 2 hunters.

So yes maybe he did manipulate Scott into helping but in the end there is some logic behind Derek killing Peter. So I get the betrayal behind not wanting to be around him

On the other hand pushing him to work with the argents when they killed his family and tortured Boyd and Erica isn’t and not understanding why he doesn’t want to work with them is objectively funny. Even stiles could read the room, shot out to the one scene “would you rather I burned his house down”

[liliaeth]

I think you need to rewatch the show, because you either never watched it beyond s1. Or you haven't watched it in years and are basing your takes on bad fanfic.

For one thing Scott stopped 'hating' Derek by s1. By mid s1 he was still disapointed by Derek's bad behavior, Derek's bad decisions, and Derek's bad treatment of others, but unlike Stiles, Scott didn't hate Derek, Scott instead gave him chance after chance. Forgiving him despite the harm Derek caused to Scott as well as others.

Even after Derek stood by and let Peter violate him, after Derek lied about the cure, after Derek used Scott's willingness to give Derek a chance, as a distraction to get Scott out of the way, so he could send his betas off to go murder Lydia, an innocent teen, based on nothing but a folktale.

Despite all that Scott still worked with Derek, and helped Derek redeem himself. Leading Derek on a path of redemption. Despite Stiles begging Scott to just let Derek die, for him.

After Victoria tried to murder Scott, Scott knew where Derek's hide out was, yet he never told Gerard. Despite Gerard's repeated threats to Scott's mother.

As for telling Allison about what her mother was doing... when was Scott supposed to have told her this? She wasn't talking to him. He tried to arrange a meet up. She didn't show up. And the Argents were watching them in school. So no chance there either

The first time he had a chance to tell her, was after Allison had already given up her desire for revenge. At which point it would have made no difference beyond hurting Allison...

In fact the only one with a real chance to tell Allison when it would have mattered were Stiles and Chris. Are you angry with them over that?

Scott was not 'obsessed' with Allison. If he had been, he'd have stayed out of things between the Argents, and the Hales in s2, and just kept himself safe like Allison asked him to.

Even in s1, Scott spent more time with Stiles and Derek, than he did with Allison. Beyond that, they had a mostly normal and healthy relationship.

Scott and Derek's relationship was one of the strongest storylines in the series. AND A HUGE PART OF Derek's story arc as a whole. Starting with Derek as an antagonist, who tried to use Scott as bait for the alpha, kept it from Scott that he wasn't the one who'd assaulted and bitten him. Terrorized him, and threatened Scott's life. Slowly over multiple seasons, growing into a relationship of mutual care, love and support. Leading to the scene in the 6b finale where Derek specifically states that he only came back to Beacon Hills for Scott's sake.

It's just such a beautiful story of mutual growth and support that it turned Scott and Derek into my two fave characters in the show.

Especially since Scott, Derek, and Lydia are the three characters with the largest and best character growth in the entire series

As for the movie... what obligation does Scott have to Beacon Hills? He has an obligation to his pack, sure. But he's keeping that up by being there for them the moment they need him.

Derek's death was sad, yes, but it was a culmination of his character growth. ( also since it was mystical, easily enough to undo in fanfic)

Sterek should have been endgame and Scott needed to be less of a dick.

I wish the writers would stop using Derek as the punching bag. Like I get he was an angry asshole at the start but can you blame him after all that he went through? He should have had a character growth arc and given the chance to be a better alpha instead of making him give it up. I get the symbolism of giving up the power but he should have gotten it back. And we should have seen more of his full shift than what we got. Like the Hales were special because of the full shift and we only see it once? Also he should have gotten his family land back, like it's been in his family for years and he's lost enough he shouldn't have let the county take his land that was fucked up. Even if he never rebuilt, he could have tore the remains down and put up a marker or a tree or something to show they were there and what happened. But to let it become new housing was just fucked up.

I would have like to see Derek and Scott be co-alphas and lead the pack together. They could have had a batman and superman friendship with one of them being broody and the other being hopeful and optimistic.

Stiles should have had magic. I know Dylan O'Brien said he didn't want Stiles to have magic and just be human but come on, he would have been badass at it.

I was never a big fan of Stiles and Lydia because it felt like he was more in love with the image he had of her than of her. Yes he got to know the real Lydia and they fell in love but I still didn't really like it. He was too obsessed with her it felt like he just wore her down or something idk. I know that Dylan said in an interview that Stiles and Lydia would have dated for a while but then realized they were better of as friends, and this was years before the movie came out.

And OMG the movie what the shit was that!?!?!? For all that Scott said he would be the alpha and defend Beacon Hill he left the town for years and still left at the end of the movie. Derek, Peter, Malia, and Jordan are really the only supernaturals left to defend the town. The Hales are the ones protecting their territory. And did they really have to kill Derek in the way they did it. Like fire really? REALLY!?!? And in front of his sixteen year old son. Derek lost his family at sixteen to a fire and now his son Eli loses his dad to a fire at sixteen? Really!?!? Like I hated it, I hated that the whole movie felt like Scott was just reliving his high school glory days. I hate that's Scott got his happy ending at the expense of Derek's life. Derek was good, he was happy with his son, had a home, a good business, was respect in the community, had a good relationship with the remainder of his family and you kill him off? And then hint at the fact that Scott would be the one to 'adopt' Eli, a kid he barely knew, just so that he and Allison could play house and be a happy little family? BULLSHIT!!!!

I read somewhere that Jeff wanted the show to end with Scott and Allison together and Stiles and Lydia together and that their kids would all be best friends. But with Crystal Reed leaving in season 3 that changed things. The movie felt like his way of getting that ending he wanted but Dylan not returning changed things again. But at least Scott got Allison back, so yay? Don't get me wrong I loved Scott and Allison together but Scott was so obsessed with her to the point that he would throw anyone but his mom under the bus for her. And it got annoying very fast even worse was the fact that he didn't really learn anything from it he has just as obsessed with Kira (though maybe not to the same level). The whole bros before hoes thing was non existent for him. I get Scott was supposed to be like a King Arthur kind of figure, you know? Special, good leader, kind, and legendary but Scott was not it. Yea he had his moments where he was really good but he had so many where he wasn't and he never seemed to learn and grow. Like even the BBC Merlin Arthur who started out as a jerk became honorable, just, and a good leader, yea he too had his moments where he regressed but it was still better than Scott.

They should have fixed his relationship with Derek maybe then him taking Eli in would have made more sense. Like Scott hated Derek a lot ,more so than necessary. Yes Derek lied to get Scott to help him take down the alpha (Peter) but Scott acted like Derek was he one who bit him. Scott forgave so many others who had done far worse (deucalion?) But Derek was where he drew the line? Why because he bit three others who chose the bite? I get him being mad about the lies, I get him being mad about Derek's attitude while on the alpha power trip but come on sometimes Scott was just a dick. He was willing to look the other way when Victoria tried to kill him and was ok with keeping quiet about why Derek bit Victoria and let Allison hate derek and attack his pack because he didn't want to cause problems with Allison. No he sucks. We could have had an epic friendship between them but no we got something half-assed and I hate it.

And why the hell did they make Derek basically a True Alpha like two seconds before he died like what the FUCK!?!?!?

I just wished the would have given Scott some character development instead of just making him more powerful.

[daughterofluthien]

Fictober - Day 4

Prompt number: 4. “that didn’t stop you before” Fandom: Teen Wolf Rating: T Characters/Relationships: Alan Deaton & Scott McCall Word Count: 1563 Warnings/Tags: grief, angst with a happy ending A/N: Deaton character study, pre-series through 1x11 Formality.

Sometimes, the worst part about the world shattering is that everything remains the same. 

Deaton learns about the fire on the local news, and by that time, the only thing left is smoldering ruins. The newscaster labels it a tragic accident, but given the way tensions had been building between the hunters and the Hales over the past two years, he knows that’s extremely unlikely.

The news reports say that search and rescue teams have pulled multiple bodies out of the house, but no further information is given. He calls both Talia and Laura multiple times, but there’s no response, so he opens the clinic at nine in the morning like he always does, in case someone shows up needing help. 

He doesn’t really think anyone will, however, because the Argents know about him. He’s been threatened by Gerard’s thugs in the past, and he expects the clinic is being watched. His help might just end up getting even more people killed. 

So instead, he waits. 

And nothing happens. 

The day after the fire, the Sheriff brings in a search and rescue dog to be treated for minor smoke inhalation. Deaton asks a few pointed questions under the guise of curiosity and casual conversation. 

He learns that a single survivor was pulled from the house, but his burns were so severe that paramedics were shocked that he was even still alive. Most of the bodies had been identified, but three of the Hale children were still unaccounted for.

He doesn’t plan to ask the next question. He asks it anyway. “The bodies that you found-- I understand if this is part of an ongoing investigation and therefore privileged information, but I have to ask. Was Talia Hale…?” 

“Yeah, she was. Did you know her?”

Deaton nods. He isn’t surprised, but he needed the confirmation. “I did. She was a dear friend.” ______________

The Argents pack up and move within a month. 

He makes a few inquiries and learns that Laura and Derek fled across the country and moved to New York. He keeps an eye on them from afar as best he can, and assumes that she will get in touch with him if she needs anything. 

He doesn’t hear from her.

Years pass, and Beacon Hills is quiet. Nothing out of the ordinary, no mysterious deaths. Nothing that would indicate that a few short years before, the town had been the epicenter of a years-long cold war between supernaturals and hunters.

A war that had ignited in an instant, and once it burned hot was over nearly as soon as it started. 

He was supposed to keep the balance.

He had failed.

He failed, and the world didn’t end, because the natural world always comes back to its own equilibrium. It found its own balance, and it wasn’t the one he wanted, but his opinion and interference were neither requested nor needed. 

In his failure, he became fundamentally unnecessary. ___________________

He builds a life for himself outside the supernatural. He focuses on his clinic, which sees a fair amount of business, as it’s the only veterinary practice in town. 

It’s not really something that someone focused on keeping the balance would do, he thinks. After all, death is natural, and healing is outside interference in the natural order. Each animal saved is a small upset to the equilibrium into which all things inevitably fall.

Each one feels like a small victory.

As the practice grows, and the amount of work starts to become unwieldy for a single individual, he hires an assistant. At 16, Scott McCall is young for a veterinary assistant, and Deaton mainly hires him to assist with clerical work and to help care for the animals. But the teenager is sharp and eager to learn, and soon Deaton starts to teach him about the business and assign him other, more complicated tasks.

He finds he enjoys teaching, and Scott is an excellent student.

If their conversations stray to topics that allow him to dispense a little wisdom and advice-- Well, that was once a very important part of his life. Some old habits are harder to break than others. ____________________

Months pass, and he learns that Scott is not just intelligent and hard-working, but he is remarkable for a second reason: he cares.  The teenager cares deeply about every single animal that passes through the doors of the clinic, and he wants to help them because it’s the right thing to do.

Working alongside Scott, Deaton starts to remember that healing is its own reward. Any petty revenge enacted on the universe with each animal saved is just a side benefit. ___________________ 

Unfortunately, balance cannot last forever. Six years after the fire, events start to cascade again, just as quickly as they did last time.

A deer with the symbol for revenge carved into its side is left in a place where it would be easily found, and Laura contacts him for the first time since the fire.

He tells her he wishes he could help, but he doesn’t know anything more about it than she does. It’s the truth, but there are other truths as well, and he realizes he is afraid to get involved. Afraid to make things worse in a misguided attempt to keep the balance.

She thanks him for his time, and leaves the clinic.

That evening, when Scott shows up for work, Deaton tells him they should make sure that the gate at reception stays closed. He tells him that it looks more professional that way, and he thinks Scott buys the excuse.

A couple days later, the Argents move back into town.

A couple days after that, he wakes up to a news report stating that the partial body of a young woman was found in the woods.

That afternoon, at around the time Scott is scheduled to show up for work, the front door to the clinic opens, but no-one immediately comes into the back. He walks to the front, expecting a client, but instead finds Scott hesitating at the gate.

He opens it, watching Scott carefully, but his heart sinks. If this is the natural equilibrium, it strikes him as distinctly unfair. 

For the first time in six years, he starts to think what exactly he can do about it.

He leaves the gate open. ______________________

At first, all he can offer is advice and a sympathetic ear. He keeps an eye on Scott from afar, just as he still does with Derek, but part of him dreads what he assumes will be the inevitable day when Scott stops showing up for work.

He doesn’t know whether it will be because Scott’s dead, or because he’s joined the Alpha.

But the full moons come and go, and while Scott misses a few shifts here and there, he keeps coming back. He stays in contact.

One night, while they’re closing up the clinic and talking about Scott’s plans to enroll in a pre-veterinary program after graduation, Deaton asks Scott why he wants to be a vet. 

Scott shrugs and shakes his head. “Well, for one, I just really like animals. But also…” He trails off, thinking. “It’s like, we see so many animals that need help, right? They’re sick, or injured. Or they need protected. And we can help them. And I guess I just feel like, if nobody else is going to do it... Then maybe I need to.”

He’s not just talking about veterinary medicine any more, and Deaton smiles. But he doesn’t forget the conversation. __________________________

A few nights later, a group of hunters led by Kate Argent attacks the Hale house.

Deaton doesn’t hear about it on the news the next morning, because this time, he’s there. He can’t stop them from taking Derek, but he watches as Scott escapes and runs into the woods, weakened by the poison coursing through his veins. 

He catches up when Scott collapses, barely able to breathe, a smoking bullet wound in his side.

He doesn’t know what this is going to do to the balance, but if he’s completely honest with himself, he no longer cares. Scott is injured and desperately needs protecting, and for the first time in a long time, Deaton knows exactly what it is he needs to do.  

He picks Scott up. Carries him to his car.

“You’re going to be all right.” ________________________

Six years ago, the world shattered, but it didn’t end. 

For the longest time, he thought it was unfair that the world kept spinning without taking the time to put itself back together. It took him years to realize that he needed to put himself back together first.

After rescuing Scott and confronting the new Alpha, he knew it wouldn’t be long before word began to spread that his retirement was over. So he isn’t surprised when Marin pays him a visit.

He might not approve of her current affiliations, but it’s good to see her.

“After all these years,” she asks, “why now?”

He shrugs. “They needed my help.”

She fixes him with a look, and if they were still children he can’t help but think she would’ve rolled her eyes. “People always need help, Alan. That didn’t stop you before.”

He concedes the point with a nod, and gives her a small smile. “Maybe I just found something to believe in.”

[princeescaluswords]

The elimination of context is the key part of this.  

I always wonder how the can watch Anchors (3x13) and see Stiles scream himself awake from a three-layer nightmare and lose the ability to read and write and recognize it comes from the darkness around his heart, and see Allison nearly bury an arrow in Lydia’s head and run from Kate’s ghost and recognize it comes from the darkness around her heart, but they can’t see that Scott’s shadow wolf and his multiple instances of being unable to control his aggression come from the shadow around his heart.

They literally watch Scott explain to his mother that he doesn’t have an anchor which is why he can’t control his lycanthropy; they literally watch Scott scream at Stiles “Get away! I don’t know what’s going to happen!” in the same episode as him hitting Isaac but they can’t bring themselves to think Wow, Scott’s having a tough time controlling the aggression being a werewolf brings.

They can. They don’t want to.  But it’s not racism.

They can watch Jackson promise to reveal Scott’s lycanthropy, which will get him killed.  They can watch Jackson foul Scott on the field in the SECOND EPISODE of the series, but they can’t imagine that might have something to do with Scott hitting Jackson.  They can watch Peter threaten Allison’s life, watch Scott save Jackson’s life from Derek, and Jackson dismiss protecting Allison in the same episode, but they can’t imagine that might have something to do with Scott using physical force to coerce Jackson into taking Allison to the Winter Formal so she’ll be safe.  They can watch Scott learn that Jackson, as the kanima, murdered people and tried to drown Derek and Stiles, and they can watch as he discovers a naked Jackson threateningly hover over a prone Allison, but they can’t imagine that he might think the worst.  

They can.  They don’t want to.  But it’s not racism.

They can watch Allison and Scott have discussion after discussion about how the war between the Argents and the Hale pack is threatening their relationship and then watch how the presence of the hunters at the rave derails Scott’s plan to capture the kanima and his master, but they can’t imagine why Scott would be so frustrated at Allison he might raise his voice.  

They can.  They don’t want to.  But it’s not racism.

They can watch Scott’s plan to protect Hayden and capture a Dread Doctor go belly-up at the school.  They can watch a dead chimera get left on his dining room table and the girl he loves arrested for it.  They know that the Dread Doctors have Liam – his only bitten beta – and that they heard Cora say “Losing a member of your pack isn’t like losing family. It’s like you lose a limb.”  They have watched every member of the pack realize that they’re losing.  In the same episode. But they can’t imagine that the pressure might be enough for Scott to snap and do something to Corey and look at it with sympathy.

They can.  They don’t want to.  But it’s not racism.

This isn’t an innocent mistake.  This isn’t inattention.  This is purposeful and targeted, and it serves the same goal as when people accuse Finn of being a traitor and a coward for leaving the First Order or accuse Bonnie Bennett of being selfish for not using her powers for the Salvatore brothers without being forced.

“you make every excuse under the sun to erase his more abusive tendencies” That’s exactly what you and your Trump stanning Scott McCall defense squad friends do on a daily basis, though. You make every excuse under the sun to erase Scott’s canonical abusive tendencies and behavior, and use his canonically nonexistent Mexican heritage to silence anyone who points out his canonical flaws and negative traits. I agree with you on one thing though: there would be no Teen Wolf without Stiles and Derek

Here we are, once again, with your complete (and deliberate) misunderstanding of a fundamental difference between what I said and what you want to hear.

You cite Scott hitting Isaac, or Jackson, or doing the whole mind-meld thingy with Corey, or yelling at Allison as abusive tendencies, all while removing any semblance of context, of course, and then blatantly confuse what I do as "making excuses."

You see, I'm not "making excuses", I'm offering explanations.

Why did Scott hit Isaac? You say it was because he was petty and jealous, and completely ignore the fact that Scott was losing control following the ritual to awaken the Nemeton. He was facing his own set of circumstances and hardships, the same as Allison and Stiles.

Why did Scott hit Jackson? Could it be the fact that he was being mind-controlled by Matt to assault Allison? Or are you referring to the time when he threatened Jackson into taking Allison to the winter formal to protect her? Because, I gotta say, if Stiles had been in Scott's shoes and Jackson had treated him like that, you would be praising him all day long for finally putting that spoiled pretty boy in his place.

Why did Scott yell at Allison? Could it have been the fact they were losing control of the situation and he didn't want anyone else to die?

Why did Scott do that to Corey? Could it have been that he was desperate to stop the Dread Doctors from harming anyone else while simultaneously watching his pack fall apart due to Theo's machinations?

You sit there and try to paint Scott as this abusive monster while removing any context of the situation surrounding those events in an effort to support your false narrative. Simultaneously, you use the reverse tactics to absolve Derek or Stiles or Peter of their crimes, big or small, proving that you do understand context, but only when it suits your purposes. When Derek recruited literal children to his war in an effort to feel powerful, you cite his past trauma. When Stiles attacked Scott at the hospital, you cite his heightened emotional state because of his dad's injuries. When Peter killed people, some of whom had absolutely nothing to do with the Hale fire, you cite his unstable mental state because of said fire.

Do you see the double-standard?

And this is why we bring up the subject of racism. Because you have a set of standards for Stiles or Derek or Peter, but a complete different set of standards when it comes to Scott or Deaton. Why is that? Why are you able to understand context and circumstances for a white character that does a thing, but then completely disregard that understanding when a character of color does a similar thing? How often is Deaton painted as a secret villain for being mysterious and keeping secrets, when Peter is praised and loved for similar things, often for his own gain as opposed to for the greater good?

Just because you're not calling Scott and Deaton slurs, doesn't mean its not racism.

Final note: there would be no Teen Wolf without Stiles or Derek. You're not wrong. Without Derek to antagonize Scott and act as a nefarious figure for the first two seasons, how would the plot have moved forward? Without Stiles to offer completely morally corrupt advice for Scott to ignore, how would Scott have become the hero he did? You try to twist my words against me (badly, I might add) while completely missing the point, in that Scott, the hero and titular teen wolf, became who he was despite the urging for more violence by those around him, not because of them.