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I’ve drawn a lot of my characters using Damiano as a reference so I thought it was about time I drew the man himself

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No buddy, Derek was being a selfish prick, and Scott was responding to Derek's bad behavior.

"Then they had a reason"

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they could literally never make me hate you in 92617593 billion years. this fandom fucking sucks

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Questions About Having a Reason

I want to ask @cheruibim and anyone else who cares to try to answer a few questions about their reaction to the penultimate scene in Magic Bullet (1x04). Scott's line "Well, then they had a reason" is a source of great outrage in the fandom, and too many people who are fans of Scott McCall have spent too much time trying to explain it or defend it, to no avail. I want to hear what you have to say.

Question #1: Why is the Hale Fire, a terrible tragedy for Derek but one that happened at least six years before the start the show, more important to your reaction to that scene than to the terrible tragedy that is happening to Scott McCall at that very moment. To remind you, this is Derek's line from earlier that same episode: "Then think about this. The Alpha called you out against your will. He's gonna do it again. Next time you either kill with him or you get killed."

Question #2: Since you can justify all the outrageously mean things Derek does throughout the first four episodes, such as -- but not limited to -- breaking into Scott's house, assaulting him, and threatening to kill him in Second Chance at First Line (1x02); assaulting and beating Scott up in Pack Mentality (1x03); and showing up at school and endangering Scott the same episode as "Derek was just trying to help Scott," what is different about this scene, since it comes immediately after Scott actually helping Derek by going into a house full of werewolf hunters and stealing the bullet Derek needs to survive? Why does trying to help excuse everything that Derek does but not what Scott does?

Question #3: If Scott's remark is too callous for you to give a scared teenager some empathy, what is difference between that line and Stiles's line of "The girl you killed - she was a werewolf. She was a different kind, wasn't she? I mean, she could turn herself into an actual wolf, and I know Scott can't do that. Is that why you killed her?" from Second Chance at First Line, which essentially accuses Derek of murdering his sister out of jealousy? What is the difference between that line and Stiles's line from Magic Bullet, "You know, that really doesn't look like anything some echinacea and a good night of sleep couldn't take care of." when Derek is in danger of dying from a poisoned bullet? If Stiles is permitted to lash out with callous remarks when he's under stress or in over his head, why isn't Scott?

Question #4: If Scott should not allow the actions of one serial-killing werewolf (Derek's Uncle Peter by the way, who is hunting Scott) to influence his perception of Derek and other werewolves, why should Scott allow the actions of one mass-murdering werewolf hunter (Allison's Aunt Kate by the way who is hunting Scott) to influence his perception of Allison and other werewolf hunters? In other words, why is it right for Scott to judge Allison for the actions of her family and wrong for Scott to judge Derek for the actions of other werewolves?

My problem with reactions to this line is not that they think the line is callous and insensitive. It is! It is that they think this line justifies their condemnation of Scott, yet they always, always have a host of reasons why the things that Derek says (such as the things he says to Jackson when he is getting ready to murder Jackson in the Hale House), Stiles says to Derek (which is somehow mysteriously reduced to jokes or banter), or every single terrible thing that comes out of Peter's mouth do not deserve condemnation. The argument goes that Derek and Stiles and even Peter are in a terrible situation, and people in a terrible situation shouldn't be condemned for not acting in a proper way. Yet, the same courtesy is never extended to Scott -- in fact, most of the time they forget that Scott is in a terrible situation.

I would love to hear your answer to these questions. I have my own answers to these question, with which anyone reading my blog should be familiar.

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All Scott was doing was considering that the Argents might have has a reason. Which based on the behavior of the werewolves Scott has met so far, is not unrealistic.

"Then they had a reason"

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Questions About Having a Reason

I want to ask @cheruibim and anyone else who cares to try to answer a few questions about their reaction to the penultimate scene in Magic Bullet (1x04). Scott's line "Well, then they had a reason" is a source of great outrage in the fandom, and too many people who are fans of Scott McCall have spent too much time trying to explain it or defend it, to no avail. I want to hear what you have to say.

Question #1: Why is the Hale Fire, a terrible tragedy for Derek but one that happened at least six years before the start the show, more important to your reaction to that scene than to the terrible tragedy that is happening to Scott McCall at that very moment. To remind you, this is Derek's line from earlier that same episode: "Then think about this. The Alpha called you out against your will. He's gonna do it again. Next time you either kill with him or you get killed."

Question #2: Since you can justify all the outrageously mean things Derek does throughout the first four episodes, such as -- but not limited to -- breaking into Scott's house, assaulting him, and threatening to kill him in Second Chance at First Line (1x02); assaulting and beating Scott up in Pack Mentality (1x03); and showing up at school and endangering Scott the same episode as "Derek was just trying to help Scott," what is different about this scene, since it comes immediately after Scott actually helping Derek by going into a house full of werewolf hunters and stealing the bullet Derek needs to survive? Why does trying to help excuse everything that Derek does but not what Scott does?

Question #3: If Scott's remark is too callous for you to give a scared teenager some empathy, what is difference between that line and Stiles's line of "The girl you killed - she was a werewolf. She was a different kind, wasn't she? I mean, she could turn herself into an actual wolf, and I know Scott can't do that. Is that why you killed her?" from Second Chance at First Line, which essentially accuses Derek of murdering his sister out of jealousy? What is the difference between that line and Stiles's line from Magic Bullet, "You know, that really doesn't look like anything some echinacea and a good night of sleep couldn't take care of." when Derek is in danger of dying from a poisoned bullet? If Stiles is permitted to lash out with callous remarks when he's under stress or in over his head, why isn't Scott?

Question #4: If Scott should not allow the actions of one serial-killing werewolf (Derek's Uncle Peter by the way, who is hunting Scott) to influence his perception of Derek and other werewolves, why should Scott allow the actions of one mass-murdering werewolf hunter (Allison's Aunt Kate by the way who is hunting Scott) to influence his perception of Allison and other werewolf hunters? In other words, why is it right for Scott to judge Allison for the actions of her family and wrong for Scott to judge Derek for the actions of other werewolves?

My problem with reactions to this line is not that they think the line is callous and insensitive. It is! It is that they think this line justifies their condemnation of Scott, yet they always, always have a host of reasons why the things that Derek says (such as the things he says to Jackson when he is getting ready to murder Jackson in the Hale House), Stiles says to Derek (which is somehow mysteriously reduced to jokes or banter), or every single terrible thing that comes out of Peter's mouth do not deserve condemnation. The argument goes that Derek and Stiles and even Peter are in a terrible situation, and people in a terrible situation shouldn't be condemned for not acting in a proper way. Yet, the same courtesy is never extended to Scott -- in fact, most of the time they forget that Scott is in a terrible situation.

I would love to hear your answer to these questions. I have my own answers to these question, with which anyone reading my blog should be familiar.

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Except that Scott is NOT being a selfish prick. He's reacting to Derek's abusive and manipulative behavior.

"Then they had a reason"

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Derek did NOT lure Scott out of his home, where he was being safe and away from other people, to 'protect him', or 'to protect others'

He lured Scott out to manipulate him, because he knew the hunters would be out there. Because he was trying to use Scott.

If Derek had wanted to help Scott, he'd have come to Scott's home, and talk to him in a safe location, where Scott would feel at ease.

It's noticeable how you have more sympathy for the adult, than for the child. How you're consistently more forgiving of the abusive rich white male adult, than of the Latino child...

"Then they had a reason"

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Derek has not just been 'not helpful', or 'not kind', he's been acting full on abusive, violent, manipulative, controlling...

Just because Derek is a rich white man, does not excuse his behavior. His trauma does not excuse his behavior.

Derek is the bad guy here. So yes, after Derek's recent horrendous treatment of Scott, Scott said a 'not so nice thing'

None of which was even remotely as bad as how Derek has been treating Scott.

"Then they had a reason"

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Considering all the things that Derek has said and done to Scott up to this point, why should Scott be inclined to be nice to Derek?

At this point Scott is a sixteen year old child going through literally a horror story. In the past few days, and it has been a week at most, he's been attacked, violated, had his body change into something alien, had a monster take over his mind at night when he was at his most vulnerable, force him into the woods, tried to make him kill people.

And Derek's reaction to all that was not to help this child, but to try and use him as bait, to lure him out into the woods, where he knew the hunters would be. To attack him, to break into his home, and threaten his life, making it clear he wasn't doing this for some altruistic reasons, but because Scott being figured out by the Argents might hurt him, aka Derek himself. Hell, even when Scott went up to Derek, terrified he might have attacked someone, Derek doesn't comfort him, instead he tells him that sooner or later he 'will' kill, that it's inevitable. You don't find that cruel? It isn't until after Scott realizes that he was defending the attacked man, that Derek finally admits that he wasn't the alpha.

yet despite all that, despite Derek's horrendous behavior, both in acts and words, when Derek needed help, Scott did risk himself for Derek. He did go into the Argent house, pretending it was to do study with Allison, but in reality it was to save Derek's life. All the while as Stiles was insulting Derek, threatening to throw him out of the car... Scott was risking his life and safety for Derek's sake.

Scott might have grumbled about it, but he still did it.

All that aside though , once again, Scott does not know at this point that not all the Hales were werewolves, he doesn't know that there were kids in the fire...

All he knows is that based on what werewolves have done, and what Derek himself told him, werewolves are dangerous...

Questioning that the Argents might have had a reason, is a normal reaction.

And compared to what Derek, Stiles and Peter and many other characters have said before and after this scene... that scene was nothing...

"Then they had a reason"

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It’s sad how much of what is taught in school is useless to over 99% of the population.

There are literally math concepts taught in high school and middle school that are only used in extremely specialized fields or that are even so outdated they aren’t used anymore!

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repeat after me “Scott McCall is underrated” !!

let me know if you use the moodboard ✨

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Every Sciles Touch 2x9 ☾ Party Guessed

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Let's point out the other side shall we?

At this point, At this point Scott has met two werewolves.

The first one, the alpha, violently assaulted him in the woods, turned his body into something alien, tried to mind control him to make him kill people, including forcing a hallucination on him that made him feel like he attacked his girlfriend.

The second one, aka Derek, violently attacked him, threatened his life, tried to use him as bait against the alpha, tried to manipulate and control him, while telling him that sooner or later he'd end up killing someone...

And that's not even starting on the instincts the shift is forcing onto him, that made him attack his best friend Stiles.

So keeping all that in mind, why should Scott trust werewolves, why shouldn't Scott assume that the Argents might have had a reason?

Scott might not know at this point that Peter was the one that viciously assaulted and violated him, but based on the information he's been given so far, he has no reason to trust werewolves any more than he has to trust the Argents, less actually.

Yes Chris is threatening, but so far Kate is being nice to him. Maybe not to Derek, but considering that Derek has been abusing Scott, and hadn't even bothered to tell Scott that he wasn't the alpha that attacked and bit Scott...

So Scott considering that maybe they had a reason, is just Scott thinking in shades of grey, instead of falling into the trap of thinking in black and white, with 'us vs them', aka he's a werewolf, so the werewolves must be the good guys' crap...

"Then they had a reason"