#like making the joke be that lesbians Exist. yeah. i can't even tell if she's lesbian or bi or straight but she's very uh. i don't know

[dykeofmisfortune]

being a visible lesbian working on a show about a lesbian is kind of like constantly having tomatoes thrown at you

[bunnymi1k]

i have some thoughts, and i just need to share.

content warning: heavy usage of the word queer in a reclaimed context.

you cannot remove the queer aspect from the owl house.

being queerphobic is literally missing the entire point of the show and it's messaging. the owl house is so important when it comes to representing us onscreen. the protagonist is a queer person of color; it's a huge stepping stone for the community. pushing your way into our spaces, into a fandom that is so elated to have such a phenomenal piece of media so casually show queer characters and relationships, and then telling us you do not accept who we are, etc......

do you not realize the harm you're causing? where's the self awareness? genuinely. belos is quite literally a physical embodiment of religious extremism and the harm it causes; brother wanted to cause a genocide because he was a puritan and believed witches shouldn't live. c'mon now.

the shows whole message is that ostracized people are still deserving of love, and that they'll find their people that love them unconditionally for who they are. that kind of message speaks volumes to queer youth, and can be read AS a queer allegory, especially since luz IS queer.

even if you're one of those people that says "i just don't agree/support" or has the "love the sinner hate the sin" mentality, you aren't exempt. that mindset is still so harmful and disrespectful, and your love for queer people is false. love should be unconditional. you cannot ignore or separate a person's queerness from them. the denial of something so integral to who a person is is so damaging and dangerous, regardless of how ""nice"" you put it. it's the same rhetoric held by those that want us to not exist, in case you forgot; that ideology is a very slippery slope, and can easily become violent. and if your reasoning is just "well i'm religious" then you need to do some heavy self reflection and improvement. whatever authority figure or person from your faith that taught you that you cannot accept queer folk's identities was not preaching the word of god. simple as that. we are people, deserving of acceptance, love, and the same rights as you. if you can't agree with that sentiment, that's your problem and i'm sorry but you cannot call yourself a fan of the show (yeah this is still a post about homophobia in the TOH fandom lmao)

this is, obviously, glossing over the fact that your personal beliefs and faith do not dictate what someone else does in their life, and sure as hell does not dictate what laws should be implemented.

to make a super long story short: the owl house is queer, it's cast is like 99% queer (if not all, i don't even think anyone's been confirmed straight), and to ignore this fact is insulting and there's a reason you guys are shamed in the fandom. however, i do believe people are capable of growth and change, and i hope you can find it within yourselves to change your perspective on the matter.

straights, you got huntlow. leave the other ships alone. especially when it comes to amity. she's a lesbian. stop being weird (this is only half a joke..)

[harlowhockeystick]

princess and nolan as taylor songs :

my qualifications: femme lesbian who loves nolan. at the age of 8 i had brain surgery, now i only make decisions with my tayfrontal cortex.

-Picture to Burn. she sings this at every minor inconvenience

-I’m Only Me When I’m With You.

-Tell Me Why.

-The Way I Loved You.

-Mr Perfectly Fine. she sings this to him all the time.

-Mine.

-Story of Us.

-Stay Stay Stay.

-The Moment I Knew. he missed their dogs bday party. by party it was her the dog, doggie treats and doggie movie marathon.

-Come Back…Be Here. missing her man on a roadie :(

-Blank Space boys only want love if it’s torture. don’t say i didn’t warn ya.

-Wildest Dreams. their song. period. this is playing her her head at all times.

-I Know Places. his fans are taylor swift level stalker.

-Ready for it…? KNEW HE WAS A KILLER FORST TIME THAT I SAW HIM WONDER HOW MANY GIRLS HE HAD LOVED AND LEFT HAUNTED. all of us princes. every girl gay they them on tumblr wondered this when they saw this man.

-End Game. every wag claims end game is theirs because it’s about wanting to be on the first roster. so many sports references.

-Gorgeous.

-King of My Heart. their story.

-Dress. contrary to the rumours it’s not black, it’s pink.

-Call It What You Want. MY BABYS FIT LIKE A DAYDREAM WALKING WITH HIS HEAD DOWN IM THE ONE HES WALKING TOOOOOOOOO.

-I Forgot That You Existed. not them, just nolan. @ Ron Hextall @ Bobby Clarke @ the entire flyers organization.

-Miss Americana and the Heartbreak Prince. need i say more.

-NO THEY ARE NOT PAPER RINGS. it is a very cute sentiment but not for them. she’s not asking for the most expensive, but defs good quality. her ring is solid and no chance of their union breaking.

-False God. idk if they’re religious but if they are they’re going to hell cause they might as well set up deity alters for one another since they’re obsssssessssed obsessed. like it’s sacrilegious and we should call the Vatican.

-Afterglow.

-peace.

-the lakes.

-gold rush.

-no body no crime. they are criminals in love. these two are defs hiding a body together then fucking in the bed of his truck under the stars.

-ivy.

-Midnight Rain. nolan vibing to this one. she is sunshine i am midnight RAIN.

-Bejeweled. her. he lets her be bejeweled.

-Karma.

-Mastermind.

allow me to elaborate?

picture to burn - "there's nothing stopping me from going out with all of your best friends" she screams that line whenever they have the tiniest of fights. like she just puts in her airpods and blasts this song. he looks on spotify and sees what she's playing and he's like "dear fucking god it was a joke"

i'm only me when i'm with you - "and i know everything about you" yeah nolan knows everything about her and she knows everything about him. to everyone else it's kind of creepy how well they know each other, it's like they can read each others minds. and they're not afraid to be themselves around each other, no matter how opposite they are of each other.

tell me why - "and i need you like a heartbeat, but you know you got a mean streak" is so them cause like they literally need each other, can't live without each other, but both of them have the biggest attitudes in their own way. they'll snap and pop off on each other, but they just can't seem to live without each other.

the way i loved you - needs no explanation. this is them.

mr. perfectly fine - no comment, she just sings this very loud and nolan likes it when she sings

mine - "you are the best thing, that's ever been mine" nolan puts that in his wedding vows cause he KNOWS how much she likes that song :,)

the story of us - "i would lay the armor down if you say you'd rather love than fight" cause at the end of the day, both of them hate picking at each other and getting on their nerves, and all they wanna do is just love each other.

stay stay stay - "nobody else is gonna love me when i get mad mad mad" it's true. even when she's mad, even when he's been ignoring her all day, they still love each other even at their worst.

the moment i knew - this is her song when he is on a road game during her birthday early on in their relationship and she realizes that if she's gonna stick with this relationship, she is gonna have to realize he can't be there for her during every single thing, and that sucks.

come back...be here - "i don't want to need you this way" if you've heard the story behind this song, the way taylor wrote it, you KNOW this is so them. she didn't want to get attached to him right away, she didn't want to get so invested when he was gone five days out of seven.

blank space - "i get drunk on jealousy" she hates when other girls slip into his dm's, approach him in public, try and flirt with him. she cannot stand another woman even looking in his direction. she doesn't intend on getting mad at him, but it comes out that way. if he wasn't just so......hot this wouldn't happen.

wildest dreams - "he's so bad but he does it so well" she knows about hockey players, the stereotype's about them cause after all she is cousins with nate isn't she? she knows what she is about to get herself into, but she can't help it. she falls deeply in love with a bad boy.

i know places - she hates that everyone is always trying to see what he's up to, seeing if he's active, so she loves and appreciates that he always keeps things so private, only posting once in a blue moon.

ready for it - "every lover known in comparison is a failure" nothing compares to their love; their raw, angsty, dirty, gritty, incredible love. past relationships combined are all specs of dirt compared to him, for her.

end game - "i don't wanna miss you like the other girls do" she knows that his exes miss him, and she doesn't ever want to experience that. she'll do anything in her power to make sure she never misses him like anyone else does.

gorgeous - "you've ruined my life, by not being mine" is her thoughts when she is forced to go home alone after seeing him for the fifth time at the suit store she worked at, and not even getting his number. she's forced to think about him day and night...until he comes in the store...not for a suit, but for her number.

king of my heart - "your love is a secret i'm hoping, dreaming, dying to keep" she wants to keep his love, his words, his touch, his everything to herself for the rest of her life. the moment they first kiss she owns him, she's his forever from the very first touch.

dress - "i only bought this dress so you could take it off" is actually true for her. when they're first dating, like only a couple of months in, she wears the hottest dress he's ever seen in his life in hopes that he takes it off of her later that night...which he does.

call it what you want - "i want to wear his initial on a chain round my neck" the first gift he ever got her was a necklace with the letter N on it, and she wore it until it literally fell apart. which she got very emotional over.

i forgot that you existed - she gets with him once he moves to vegas, obv, and as he starts to open about how he was hurt by philly she listens to everything he says.

miss americana & the heartbreak prince - he is her heartbreak prince, her handsome, her loving, her angsty, her mysterious heartbreak prince that she'll do anything to keep to herself.

false god - "hell is when i fight with you" she hates fighting with him. even though she is so stubborn, even though he is so hard headed, she hates fighting and arguing with him. and even in the middle of it, she would still worship the love they have for each other.

afterglow - "tell me that i'm all you want, even when i break your heart" when she overreacts, when she gets mad over the littlest things, when she gets frustrated, she still needs to know that he still loves her. and he does, he's convinced that there is nothing she can do that will make him stop loving her.

peace - "give you my wild, give you a child" even though it's a big debate for years between the two, she wants to give him a child, but until then, she'll give him the wildest days of his life.

the lakes - she just wants to escape with him, and every summer they do. each summer they escape to manitoba for the time being, just being by one anothers side and not being bothered by anybody else.

gold rush - they love going around their families and hometowns together, because they are such polar opposites everyone is so shocked. the hippie, mountain man that nolan is with real life barbie hanging on his arm, nobody believes it.

no body no crime - listen....if it really came down to it....they would kill for each other. but she also knows that if she were to ever catch him with another woman, both him and the woman would be killed dead.

ivy - "my house of stone, your ivy grows, and now i'm covered in you" nolan was a cold, frozen up, shut-off to the world man, and now he's covered in the warm life of his princess that he's so incapsulated to be in.

midnight rain - except, she is sunshine and he is midnight rain

karma - he knew, when he had the listening party with her (he wanted to sleep, but she forced him to stay up and listen) that when this song came on it was gonna be her song for a very long time. and he was right.

mastermind - "the first night that you saw me i knew i wanted your body" this goes both ways; the first time she saw him, made eye contact with his crystal blues, she knew that she was going to be screwed for a while. he knew that from the very first time he saw her, he knew that he had to have her.

hits different - "each bar plays our song, nothin has ever felt so wrong" that first time they break up/take a break they both know that they're meant from each other. the first couple of days they spend away from each other and not because he's across the country, they know that they're meant for each other. the first time he hears their song, he is using the only pink key that he has on his keychain to go over to her place, to make it right.

[nounpolycule]

This thing for me is fine hate Rose people are entitled to their own opinion, but Dan is the hill to die on?? Dan is peak character writing and representation?? Dan??

Also, the "try liking a character that gets actual sexism and racism on the daily" is getting to me. What does that even mean?? This is talking about working class characters? The way they said it implies that Dan goes through racism and sexism everyday? Dan??

Yeah, honestly I couldn't give two shits about people hating Rose? People have been talking about how Rose is boring and a bitch and too stupid and so on for longer than I've known the show existed (a bit over a decade at this point), and they'll be saying the same shit until the end of the fandom's existence. I take issue, however, with acting like everyone who disagrees with you about a dumb (affectionate) little sci-fi show is stupid, especially when you're actively insulting them.

And yeah, there's like a lot to be said on the concept of "representation" in general. Other people have articulated this better than I ever will. If you focus too hard on a character being "representation", somewhere along the way, you lose the "character" part. Not every character that fits the same demographic(s) as you is going to feel like they match your experiences 100%, and they shouldn't! If no one person's experiences are universal, how can we expect a character to portray universal experiences without losing that piece that makes them feel more like a character than a plot device being used for diversity points? It's good to have diverse characters! I'm not joking when I say Jack Harkness was a stepping stone in realizing I'm a lesbian - would it have taken me less time to realize if I'd had Bill to look up to when I was 13? Would I have felt comfortable with myself at a younger age if I'd seen a lesbian character on my favorite show? I can only hope that that's what happened for people younger than me! But, at least to me, you lose something when you focus on "good representation" over diverse good characters.

The thing about looking at Rose through the lens of representation is that... that's not what she was designed to be? Her experiences inform her character, but her story isn't about that background. Sure, call her bad representation. She was never intended to be representation. It's not a fucking gotcha. She's a character first.

And with Dan... I can't see him as serious commentary. His house gets shrunk as a joke. His house stays shrunk as a joke. We do not see the ramifications of him losing his house, I don't really see that as commentary on poverty or homelessness when we don't actually see what happens to him afterwards. I won't tell anyone they can't see themselves in his character or situation, but to say that everyone should universally agree that he's more relatable is literally bringing us back to square one of "this character resonates more with me and therefore they are better universal representation and if you disagree you're just a basic bitch that needs to grow up." It's not productive. Besides, isn't the point of representation supposed to be that the more a particular marginalized experience is portrayed, the more likely it is that someone will find something that resonates with them?

And as for talking about Rose being a disservice to Dan... I haven't seen anyone comparing Dan and Rose aside from OP. I won't say it doesn't exist, clearly we do not run in the same circles, but it's not something I see at all. Though if we want to get down to it - yeah, I see my experiences (admittedly as an American) more in Rose than Dan. And that's okay. I'm a young adult who has barely left home whose experiences of being poor are colored by that - of course I'm going to see myself in the 19 year old still living with her mom than the 50-something year old who is living on his own. But that doesn't mean I can't respect people who feel differently.

As for "try liking a character that gets actual sexism and racism on the daily", I can only assume that they were talking about Yaz. But of course, as you said, the placement makes it sound like it's about Dan. It's a really weird place to start talking about Yaz, especially since they didn't actually mention her by name and she wasn't being discussed prior. And they did block my friend for pointing out that actually experiencing racism and such is worse than being a fan of a character that is treated that way by fans so... take that as you will.

Also no part of main tagging these posts (including one that begins "rose tyler is so fucking boring"), calling Rose fans "basic bitches" (again - whether or not you think calling Rose a bitch is misogynistic - calling real people, at least some of whom are women, bitches because they disagree with you is, in fact, misogynistic), and saying "#rose stans are so easy to wind up #just say you don't like her or she's bad rep #and they start crying and shitting themselves #it's so funny" reads as attempting to have a discussion about these characters in good faith. It's just so clearly deliberately trying to start shit. Like grow up, it's 2023, get a hobby less reminiscent of a middle school bully.

Also like. You didn't mention it at all but I will talk about Rose's ending (especially looking at Doomsday specifically) being 1. a punishment rather than a reward, and 2. really horrifying to me, actually (from a power imbalance perspective, not just a Rose fan perspective) until I'm blue in the face. And also I do find it funny that someone said that "Rose Tyler and Charlie Bucket are a fantasy, that if you work, behave and are good at heart, you will get the ultimate treasure in capitalist society, capital." Like first of all I know it was someone on the pro-Rose side that brought it up, but I don't think the Charlie comparison is worthwhile at all. Second of all, I love her but what part of Rose's story is her working and behaving and that's how she ends up rich? Babe didn't work for money (though she did work to be undercover for what, a week?) onscreen a single day after the Doctor blew up her job. Since when is Rose "jeopardy friendly" Tyler known for behaving? And if half of your point is that she's a bitch... well that kills "good at heart" a bit, doesn't it?

[lanawinterscigarettes]

Sorry it's taken me so long to reply! Missy teasing Clara yessssss, can't wait until Missy gets Clara all flustered at the teasing but also flustered because the reader is seeing her blush at being teased. One thing you don't have to add this in but if you make it smutty then feel free is I am such a whore for like, kisses on the soft skin of the inner thighs or like hickeys on their inner thighs, especially since it's in an area no one can see. I watched some Missy/Clara moments and in the Dalek tunnel Missy is bonkers as usual but the fact that Clara let Missy pin her against the wall like that when she says 'wheeeeeeee' is both hot and hilarious (I'm jealous of Missy for that). I'm also lowkey jealous of 11 when Clara faints in the doctor's timestream, not because of wanting to be carried by 11 but because of wanting to pick up Clara bridal style - if she was awake she would have totally blushed at what he did.

Yeah, literally all my friends think I have ADHD and also the emotional range of a teaspoon which ends up quite funny in conversations but my family would rather do anything than have a family member who is neurodivergent (or gay, for that matter, hence the closet)

Omg only child lore, also yes I had to Google what a Saltine was!! LOL

I don't trust streaming services either - I use Plex and host my own server anyway so I can have all my media locally!! Also...I've never heard of sweet tea it doesn't exist in tea-and-crumpet land as far as I'm aware. Speaking of Britishisms, the fact that you used the word 'telly' in the request prompt ask...I'm literally swooning for that story you do spoil me with your fabulous writings.

As for Wilderness, let me know when you watch it! I've decided I'm going to write a little fan script going back over Will and Liv's scene in the bar, and then Liv...lets just say shows Cara how she should be treated if you catch my drift, before being called back by the boys downstairs to make my own adaptions of that snapshot of the show.

The problem with that series is it assumes someone could cheat on Jenna Coleman which is impossible /j

Also I was thinking about Jasmine from Emmerdale and literally her personality she's so perfect I can't, like she always wears her heart on her sleeve and is ambitious and kind and also slightly ashamed of her sexuality which is like yours truly haha. I'm not saying she's a lesbian I don’t mean it like that I'm not invalidating bi-ness or whatever, but she (semi-spoilers) always seems to go after men who are way older, like, could be her Dad level of older, and I mean with the exception of one boy every other guy she dated was at least 10 years older. She was 19 dating a 37 year old and one of the guys she was with, they had a date, and she kept trying to interrupt their date to invite Debbie places with them. Even in the storylines when she was about 17, maybe it's just the way Jenna and Charley played it but from when I watched it you can tell Jasmine is crushing hard on Debbie, but Debbie (bless her, foster kid) often uses sex and love as a way to deal with her pain or keep people close and it becomes kinda evident in this one scene where Debbie wants them to sleep together but Jasmine isn't ready and they start to kiss, at Debbie's direction. They were interrupted so didn't sleep together but it was all pushed on by Debbie, or like when Jasmine wants to sing in the choir but doesn't because Debbie thinks its weird and wants to impress her, or lies about kissing her as a 'joke' because she really is into Debbie and doesn't want Debbie to think she's weird. Jasmine tries so hard to prove to herself she's not bisexual (or she thought she was a lesbian at the time) and that Debbie's just a friend that when a younger friend found her and Debbie and talked to Jasmine about the possibility of her being a lesbian, Jasmine goes and kisses Debbie's dad to 'prove' she's not, but Jasmine keeps pushing him off like she's disgusted at it. There is a moment where Debbie tries to get her daughter back and at just 19 years old Jasmine offers for the pair of them to raise Debbie's daughter together, which shows just how much Jasmine loves Debbie romantically and platonically. They do look like a proper couple in 2009 with the way they act, but I find it so stupid that they never explored anything to do with anything I've just mentioned e.g. Jasmine crushing harder on Debbie than the boys, or her taste in men possibly relating to being ditched by her parents. She definitely liked Jake, one of her boyfriends, so she's bi, but the way they wrote the whole thing is so bonkers - although, thats British soaps for you! Sorry for the really long yap, I'll get back to the other stuff now!!

Clara x Planetarium fic sounds so special 🥺 omg maybe Clara could fall asleep at the end of the day and the reader bridal carries her from the passenger seat of the car to her bed and then Clara asks the reader to sleep next to her or something that would be super cute idk just an idea!

Maybe it's just me, but those ideas from the prompts just flowed pretty easily! They all sounded very amusing and if you make any into proper fics I can't wait to read them!

Ugh I love Night In so much your writing is mwah chefs kiss, the bubblegu, the bralette, Clara getting all flustered and then in the mood, its perfect. And goodness me you wrote it very quickly! I love the idea of swapping clothes after..adult activites that you put in, especially if their scent is on the item omg perfect

Enjoy the Tumblrverse and sorry for the long yap!

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I'll definitely add that in to the fic when I write it! and clara and missy had so much chemistry together honestly, I love shipping them and the doctor in a polycule because I think they work so well together (and I'd also love to carry a fainted clara but unfortunately I'm incredibly weak and couldn't)

I completely get the family thing, only my mom knows about me being queer and neurodivergent because she's pretty chill. although my grandparents recently found out about me going by aeron instead of my birth name (long story so I won't get into it) and my papa (my grandfather) was perfectly fine with it because he's always been cool about stuff like that. interestingly enough when I was talking about it with them at lunch the other day my nana (my grandma) said nothing, which is hilarious to me because that woman has an opinion on everything and everyone (she wasn't quite as fond I could tell)

honestly I had to google several british terms when I first started watching bbc sherlock/doctor who, but I think I'm pretty caught up on them for the most part. I know that you say chips instead of french fries and crisps instead of chips, and that you call vacations "going on a holiday", and I know that instead of calling it the subway you call it the tube, and instead of tv/television it's telly and instead of apartment it's flat and obviously instead of mom you say mum (I also know you guys refuse to travel longer than 45 minutes unless it's a holiday or event because everything's so close together?? which is so crazy to me because in the us everything is so spread out that people will drive longer than that just to go to work everyday. how does it feel to have everything within walking distance because I'm lowkey jealous haha)

ooh, nice! I just get a bunch of physical copies of media. I have nuwho ninth doctor through thirteenth doctor on dvd, I have all of bbc sherlock, all of nbc hannibal, the first five seasons of the vampire diaries, the first two season of gossip girl, all of house md... I have more and you probably don't know a lot of those shows but it's okay lmao, the point is I prefer to have physical media instead. and sweet tea is so good!! I don't know if you have a hardee's where you live but it's a popular fast food chain here (kind of like taco bell haha) and they make stuff like fried chicken and biscuits (not the cookie type that you're used to, though, american biscuits) and sweet tea. the food can be pretty greasy like most fast food here is but I'd recommend trying it at least once if you ever had the chance to. and thank you so much!! it really means a lot to me to know that someone who's actually british enjoys my writing that's fanfiction based off a british tv show

I'm always so bad when it comes to watching new shows because of my executive dysfunction but you've said so many good things about it I'm definitely going to have to watch it soon! and I completely get wanting to rewrite certain scenes to your liking, I'm sure your rendition of it will be great <3

again most men only cheat because they're insecure and feel threatened by being with women who are so beautiful, so they cheat as if they're trying to prove something to themselves, which usually only proves that they're a massive idiot (I really hope it doesn't sound like I'm mansplaining right now 😭 I'm not trying to I swear)

it's so crazy to me how you can have two characters that are the same gender who clearly have a deep and meaningful bond and are obviously soulmates but they never explore that possibility because god forbid things be gay for once 🙄 and the drama of emmerdale sounds so interesting I really need to check it out

that sounds so cute, I love that 🥹 it really makes me wish I was actually heavy enough to pick someone up to carry them bridal style but oh well, I can just pretend by writing it into my fics

I think my favorite one from the list might be the first one with river trying to control the tardis while being, shall we say distracted because she's usually so level headed and calm that the idea of her getting flustered at something is so funny to me. and thank you, you're so sweet 🥰

I have no clue how I was able to write it so quickly in all honesty, it just sort of started to flow through my creative juices and once I started writing I just couldn't stop. as usual I'm super glad to hear you enjoyed it! (I'm going to start working on the fics from the other prompt asks you sent me, so keep an eye out for those!!) I've been writing a lot recently, I'm not sure if you've seen the post I made with all my recent fics or just the fics themselves but I've been on a massive creative streak and I'm so proud of myself. I remembering at one point when I was struggling to get out even one fic each MONTH and now I'm getting out at least one every day

you're perfectly fine! I always love yapping with you <3 I hope you're doing well 💕

[ann3ofabyss4lred]

HOLY SHIT I WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE CREATOR..

He is basically what Nicole and Jecka hate. He is transphobic,he said he would date 18 and 19 girls ( I think he 30) ,he also jokes about dating 15 y/o,and called the cosplayers (mostly minors)"whore" and also has INCEL RETHORIC.. proof on:

( https://x.com/bludhails/status/1743831754488635503?t=yl8xKPZmk_qEaU_gfj5rig&s=19 )

ALSO u can tell when someone is HEAVILY inspired by 2010s fandoms... like Vivziepop or the SBN3 (creator of class of 09).

CLASS OF 09: ORIGINAL AND THE RE UP

"but how can he can be everything Nicole hates" that's easy. Because it's easier to write someone u hate....BUT MAINLY because also

1.Some boys and men have a fetish for misandrist girls and women. This leading into 3 routes:

- the fantasy of changing her mind to say "yeah not men all are bad". Be the exception..

- mock them if they are made to be annoying to the female cast and male cast..or point out how "hypocrite the character is" if they do "use the evil men" and don't act like convectional victims..

Example of the first two: Tenko Chabasira from Danganronpa V3, they show u Tenko as labelling all men as pervert,she is always overprotective of the girls...but also hard crush on Himiko was painted as her being bit perverted..(obviously not spying ..but like being very thirsty) u know also she was the predatory lesbian stereotype...but luckily it backfired ...because she came off as a girl with a crush ..a bit obsessive...but not that overstepping boundaries and backed up when Himiko was uncomfy..but yeah..the two first overlap with the mean lesbian stereotype...

- the men get off the misandrist mindset...(Not the one based on "all men are p3dos in class of 09) But like "videogames suck men do it? Pathetic" from Nicole.

2. there's some incel rhetoric on the game.when it comes to the adulthood ending on class of 09..

•Where Nicole reflects on how her adulthood life,on how she got accostumed of having pretty privilege and being given things by men..that she didn't want to work or try hard enough..she reflects if this is why women ..especially ""beautiful ones" make less and if women less hot work harder..

but this makes it look like women don't work hard enough when regardless of attractiveness,most of them do work hard enough. Of course people with "pretty privilege" (men and women) get better treatment and that..but women and men experience pretty privilege different..women experience it mix with sexism ( check out the video.. "it's not pretty privilege..it's sexism" I can't find him..but it was named something like that.

Obviously yes..pretty privilege exist and it gives both men and women and advantage to get some stuff less expensive,getting not card extra, or even tips when u work as waiter/waitress,people are nicer to you. but it doesn't mean those people don't work hard their ass off but still got advantage??

Besides the creator said that women are likely to be friends with someone they fuck...or idk what the fuck was it...but he said "their brains aren't programmed that way".

•Nicole hating videogames, animes fits the narrative of "women disliking anime".or "women are superficial and don't enjoy the same things men do" BS. I don't know how to put it....well... It's okay if someone dislikes videogames and anime...it's just the way the creator shows how she disliked it...that makes me think she is fitting s stereotype.

( I want to explain something I want to give context) despite the l0l1c0n hent41 freaks. Lots of people,mainly ""popular kids"" (stereotypes of Regina George or Jocks) mocked people who enjoyed regular anime...like Full metal alchemis,death note,or any cool without l0l1c0n or any weird shit.. hated anime for being childish...because eu know "animations are for kids..and anime is cartoon")

the creator makes it seem she disliked it..because she is popular..she can't like fandom stuff or the creator makes it related to men..that's why she hates videogames and anime..(Ignoring the girls who do like it) and because she is ""too pretty to like it" not saying "I dislike the male fans bc they are weird sexualiz1ng everything..but I dislike anime bc I don't like drawings or just don't care"

Now the treatment Jeffery gets is well deserved because he is an harasser,the one that is those hentai addicted dudes ,the nice guyTM.. no doubt there... Just saying..the way they made Nicole dislike anime was weird..it was in a incel way "ofc the pretty popular girl doesn't like it...she never get it"

•Nicole and Jecka are mentally ill, Nicole cames from an mother that is mentally abusive towards her..her brother is a p3dos and her dad,the only person she thrusted,off herself and always feel on her own. Jecka cames from an abusive father who is racist and misogynistic and has the pressure of not falling because her dad yells at her and hits her.. obviously they are depressed and mentally ill.. but they show u them saying "I can't slith my wrist dramatically" "I want to die and this is killing the whole vibe". The intention is for u to think "ugh teenagers don't know real depression" "they want so bad to be edgy" or even when Nicole faked disorders to don't do homework...now having in mind...both Jecka and Nicole romanticize their own sadness to look cool but also are fucked up...it isn't showed up as concern but to make u seem they are bad people for romanticizing their own problems...in a way?? ( Don't throw hate at me,I don't know how to explain this..and english is my second language)

most people,especially men don't tend to take depressed teenage girls and young women because they think most girls aren't really depressed...because they doing it "too be cool" or due to the people (mentally fine people and mentally ill people,sometimes as copying mechanism or unaware) that do romanticize mental illness..

(I have a theory that those boys and men want their depression to be "taken seriously" or the way media romanticizes women and girls depression so they resent the women that fit the category)

IM NOT SAYING DEPRESSED GIRLS like faking it... I'm a woman and I had depression .I'm just explaining why I think it happens.

But also the game criticizes the parents and school for not understanding teenagers or minimize their problems..

I don't know if I get my point across or if I'm explaining it right

CLASS OF 09:FLIPSIDE.

this is so obvious..the scenes are so wrong...

and they obviously waited them for to be 18 in these routes . Because it's implied by the characters both male and female they are in college...

The first image is the camera doing close up on Jecka's body and b00bs after she took her own life..because she saw Nicole doing the same bussiness as her..but hooking up with Jecka's dad..also that and her paying most of the bills... stepping on feet make her feel less..."she felt like a wh0re and not a s3x worker" while is heartbreaking..it wasnt necessary to sexualized her in her suicide.

The other is foot fetish...there are more on her in Starbucks..or Nicole stepping on Jecka's dad or Jeffrey.

and the the other is Kelly and Jecka goofying around..but they got caught...Kelly dies..and Jecka gets kidnapped onto sex tr4ff1cking. For the last..2 years.. ( I think ,she is 18 in there too..someone tell me)

The problem is how they showed her...with chains...and her body half naked..also sexu4l1zed ...it wasn't necessary to show her half naked...u could have just put a text implying ...just like they didn't show Nicole (when she was underage) being an escort...it's obviously they were waiting to turn them 18 to show them that.. and it would have been only explicit if the creator wasn't a weirdo...it's obviously he wanted to sexualized her or cause shock value.

I understand it's dark humor..and the game is explicit.but dark humor criticizes shit and it's not necessary torture ur female characters and sexualized them...

like the creator is weird so I think he wanted to do it to treat them bad..because they were liked or idk but since the creator..I repeat is a weird man... Now I get why his obsession with lesbians and sapphics in general...

•Carla (my friend) pointed out SBN3 was a weirdo...and incel because she found the thread on twitter but also..pointed how weird he was to be obsessed with lesbians and other sapphics..having in mind he was weird since the creator is a man....and an incel.

BEFORE WE START.. SAPPHICS ...NO MATTER UR EXPERIENCE or HOW U FOUND OUT U WERE INTO GIRLS..UA RE VALID AS FUCK..

My friend Carla mentioned something to me while I was watching the game. She explained that in the 2000s, her older sister saw some girls kissing at parties. They said they did it because boys asked them to, but also to appear cool or rebellious, as it was considered taboo at the time. Some girls kissed to experiment and see how it felt or if they liked it (without invalidating sapphic women—your experiences are valid, no matter how or when you discovered your identity). However, it's true that some men tend to sexualize these moments.

For her the "abused sexed up lesbians" was odly specific because men tend to sexualized toxic wlw relationship in media and reduced it to s3x.

This what she told me, any sapphic feel free to give me ur opinion my friend's statement..

But I think regardless of that we can AGREE that most of the girls there are sapphics probably in the closet or unaware... except Ari.... There was Jeckari...but some people said it was queerbaiting...idk if it was..

Also PLEASE IM NOT TRYING TO CANCEL CLASS OF 09.I WAS FAN OF THE FIRST GAME..JUST VOICING MY CONCERNS ON FLIPSIDE (the jecka being sexualized and foot fetish) and some red flags I got during the game...considering THE CREATOR IS A WEIRDO...

ALSO PIRATE THE GAME IF I U CAN..OR WATCH OTHER PEOPLE PLAYING IT.

SPOILERS FOR CLSSS OF 09: FLIPSIDE..

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I'm disappointed in flipside...was worth it show us foot fetish? Jecka being s3xu4lly traff1cked? Like they didn't implied it ..they showed her half naked..very draw in detail..they showed her body naked when she off herself. Nicole sitting and putting her feet on Jecka's dad's mouth????....it was misery p0rn...it also feel like the creator disliked how much people were saying "oh the girls are so cool".. like they wanted to criticized men but also paint the girls from using men as hypocrites?? So they butchered their characters?..Idk..now looking back at it..there were things that I disliked about the first game...but didn't see right well with me... Like there are red flags..even if Nicole is really depressed and Jecka too. They acted like "I want to be d3pr3ssed..I'm making a d3pr3ssed playlist on iTunes" "if I fake this disorders" u know for the audience to laugh at them as if they weren't really depressed...(not saying they aren't..NICOLE AND JECKA ARE REALLY DEPRESSED) ..but there's q lots of people ..that believe girls love to pretend they have disorders...as misogynistic and ableist it is..some people think that way..that's why they put it there as humor...

I think they had luck on flipside because instead of saying "ha they hypocrites,many girls empathized with the fictional girls in some way..or don't feel them bad about those men being used...because they were bad and they still see the girls as victims...even if they aren't good people" and they didn't shame Nicole for being misandrist and was always proven right.

I don't know how to redact this shit..it does feel like they criticized society...but also...get off on misandrist girls....and many stuff feels for shock value..more than actual criticizing or creative comebacks...

In flipside is basically disguised fetish...and do have in mind some men get off misandrist girls..(aside from the real valid reason to be misandrist like s3xu4l trauma) like some boys and men get off or also mock (or both) women reduce them to "u guys only play videogames and do anything thing for s3x".

So just disappointed in the game.i did got bad vibes on the first game..but didn't see about it..also we got queerbaited with Jecka and Ari...and have in mind this written by a weirdo and a man..

Also the joke of "was it q Pakistani or Palestinian Man traff1cking me" was not it..

Maybe I'll do q post explaining why flipside was disguised fetish and why I got those vibes from the first game but not very high..

Still love Jeckole and any girl pairing there..except Nicole and Ari...

[whysojiminimnida]

Iam from Marocco, a concervative country where you can literally go to jail if you are from the lgbtq+ community. And guess what iam a lesbian and my whole friend group is not straight. there was even a lesbian couple in my friend group( they broke up tho) . So I don't understand when people think LGBT people don't exist in concervative countries???

We get crushes, we go on dates we have one nightstands just like straight people. But it's sad that we can't get married :(

I love my country I love its culture but I know that I could never come out. I would lose my family and my job.

So I like it when people make gay jokes. For example at work when I say really sus things my coworkers joke that I might be gay( they never take it serious cuz they don't think gay people exist) . I don't know how to explain it and I don't know if other queer people feel the same but I like that people are suspicious but don't take it serious. It let me live as authentic as I can without risking my safety. They will say things like "that's so gay hahahha" and it makes me happy cuz in a wierd twisted way they validate my sexuality.

Anyway I get really mad when some people say not to assume people's sexuality unless they say it, because a lot of us don't have the luxury of coming out. So a lot of us will drop hints and hope that the correct people will get them.

Hi anon and thank you for sharing your thoughts and your story with us. I hope you will accept this little sprinkle of love and happiness:

It helps me a lot to hear from people who live in cultures that are different from mine. I get that you literally can’t come out. Many people here can’t and it’s not even a jail sentence here so I can't begin to imagine what your life is like.

My queer friends who are closeted or semi-closeted tell THE BEST QUEER JOKES EVER. My best girl G-Money grew up in a fundamentalist Christian sect and didn't come out until her father passed away. Even now she talks about how valid she felt when people were in on the jokes - that weren’t really jokes.

Sound about right? And... yeah. For me that's the biggest thing about Jungkook and Jimin - they're yelling as loud as they can. They just hope some of us hear them. And I hope that the people you love and care about also hear you. I hear you, anon. I'm slow, but I'm paying attention.

[mojaves]

👪🍧🌙🙈🙊🙉🎭🔪✏️🔫🎀📎🚆💧🌈☁️ for morgan and marcus pls!! >:3

AAAAAAAA. TWO OF THEM!! TWO OF THEM. thank you i won't shut up now [very long on account of the fact i love rambling sorry]

👪 FAMILY - what is their family like? what is your ocs relationship to them? does your oc have any siblings?

well their family is just. very. regular i guess?? wjhdhkf thats the only way i can describe it. their parents split up not long after marcus was born, and now they have TWO mums. and then morgan came out as a lesbian, and there was a whole joke about marcus also coming out as a lesbian at some point. but then he broke that gag by being Gay and Trans. good for him. anyway they love each other SO much theyre a very tigh-knit family who would do anything for each other it's VERY sweet i love them all so much

🍧 SHAVED ICE - do they still have any objects from their childhood? what significance does it have to them? what would their reaction be if they lost it?

they have a LOT of things from their childhood still, mostly little crafts they made together. the most important thing though are the matching necklaces that they made, they're like. 15 years old at this point and have been repaired countless times over the years, and despite it all they both still wear them almost every day. they'd both be pretty devastated if they were to be lost. they could make new ones but it wouldn't be the same.

🌙 MOON - what is your oc's greatest wish? how far are they willing to go for it?

morgan's greatest wish is very simple, she just wants a house with a porch so she can put a rocking chair on it, and sit in it and make her little crafts while watching the sun + feeling the fresh air. she and lou don't have the best paying job ever so it's taking a LOT of time to save up, but she is very patient. they're getting there. slowly but surely. she also has a little crafting business on the side which helps with extra money for a house. she IS going to get it one day.

and marcus. hrgghghh. HM. hmm. more than anything he just wants to be happy and at peace. not that he's not happy now, but it's very hard sometimes considering the kinda shit he's going through every day. he's got a long way to go before he gets there, a lot of bridges to burn, but he'll make it. he's Determined. and well. he has his family to help him through it

🙈 SEE-NO-EVIL - whats a side of your oc that they don't want to show other people?

morgan is very loud and confident, do there's not much she really wants to hide, bc she's very happy with herself, but if there Was something, it'd probably be the fact that she gets anxious sometimes. which is Just Fine but every now and again she feels like she shouldn't be allowed to feel that way, and constantly needs to keep up her Positive appearance, or everyone will be upset or disappointed or whatever. she knows it's not true but she does get very down about it sometimes.

marcus sweet baby boy marcus. he thinks he's a freak. he sees ghosts, which should be a thing that's normal in this world, but people choose to believe otherwise despite all the evidence. and because of that, he feels like an outcast. it's fairly easy to hide, but sometimes it does make him extremely sick, and he can't just be telling random people "oh yeah it's the ghosts lol" every time he passes out or throws up or whatever. so he just has to be like. dont even worry about it i've just got Problems. seeing ghosts does make him act a little weird and skittish and jumpy sometimes, and he doesn't want people thinking he's even weirder than he already seems. so he's just. very much stuck in this cycle of being ashamed of his entire existence, and having to completely bury who he is in order to blend in with everyone else.

🙊 SPEAK-NO-EVIL - what is something your oc will refuse to stay quiet about?

they both have adhd and a lot of their interests overlap so they will talk to each other for HOURS about rocks, john car/penter movies, a couple of video games, stuff like that. separately though, morgan can talk forever and a day about frogs. and for marcus, urban planning [im projecting sorry], and radiation/nuclear energy. i would love to have a conversation with them both

🙉 HEAR-NO-EVIL - what is the worse thing your oc could hear from someone?

UH. I DONT WANT TO MAKE MYSELF SAD BUT SHJDHJG probably that they're not loved, that they're freaks, annoying, etc etc. you know. Normal Stuff people worry about. AND that the other was injured in some way or another, or got in an accident or something [not foreshadowing anything. heh. ehHEh.eghcCOGHG]

🎭 MASKS - do they act differently around certain people? what's different between the way they act around friends, family, strangers, etc.?

around each other and family/close friends, they are very unapologetically themselves. even out of close circles, morgan is still very much the same, never really felt the need to change who she was to be palatable to other people. she is LOUD and everyone has to accept it.

marcus is a very very anxious little man, he can talk to people but he's generally very quiet/fidgety/reserved at first, and it takes a few weeks, sometimes even months, to warm up to people and really get comfortable being around them. and even longer than that [in most cases] to feel fully comfortable being Himself.

🔪 KNIFE - how do they react to injury / misfortune befalling their loved ones (significant other, family, friends)? do they put themselves at blame?

i imagine morgan would feel extremely guilty about it if marcus got injured, bc he's her younger brother, and she should have protected him more, even though that's not the case at all. marcus would feel like he didn't do a good job looking out for her as well, but probably a little less on account of being the younger one. does that. make sense god i hope so hjgshj

outside of that, i don't think they'd blame themselves for other people's misfortunes [lou + jason specifically], bc they're their own people, they can handle themselves, theyre strong enough etc etc, but they'd still feel somewhat guilty for not being there to help, even though generally it would change Nothing bc lou and jason LOVE putting themselves in situations. their help would maybe just, get them a little less injured.

they'd understandably be upset about it, and morgan has a bit of a calmer head than marcus, so he would completely overthink everything and go into Worry Overdrive, while morgan is like it's fine, they're fine, they'll heal. It's Fine. still a little bit worried though. but they both do try to help in the healing process as much as they can.

✏️ PENCIL - is there a particular quote / lyric that you associate with them?

this is going to make my brain explode i cannot possibly begin to explain it in a way that anyone can comprehend but for marcus. saturn by sleeping at last. thanks

and for morgan it's not that deep i just really strongly relate her to that post thats like "a skeleton waving goodbye or maybe hello" bc i know she would find that absolutely Hilarious and would crack up every time she saw it. and then every time she'd remember it, it would become a vocal stim for the next week.

🔫 PISTOL - do they trust people easily? how easily will they turn their back to someone? have they been backstabbed before? will they betray someone if given an ultimatum?

morgan trusts VERY easily, not to say it hasn't blown up in her face before, but she always tries her best to see the good in people, no matter what. she'd only turn her back on someone if they turned out to be really shitty, and she is a very good judge of character and has no issue with doing that. if someone makes her unhappy, she's more than willing to drop them in an instant. she wouldn't betray anyone she would feel SO bad about it.

marcus. HGIHghfdkhwekjghfdskgh he did. he did trust people once!!!!!! HE DID!! HE TRUSTED WITH HIS WHOLE ENTIRE HEART!! and then!! the one boyfriend he ever had. turns out he was being cheated on the entire time! and he didn't even learn that until THREE ENTIRE MONTHS AFTER said bf completely ghosted him. so now he definitely does not trust anyone, other than his family + lou. i mean, he will trust people in the general sense, but he would never really trust someone with his feelings, because he's scared of it happening again. the one relationship he had, and he thinks it's going to happen again and again and again. BUT it doesn't. it doesn't. he just doesn't know that yet <3 he would ABSOLUTELY turn his back on + betray someone like that of course he would no questions asked.

🎀 RIBBON - how would they fit into other worlds / aus? what aus would you like to try out? what fictional world would they fit / not fit into?

im not letting myself think about this too much bc i KNOW i'll go insane about it. but. cyber/punk au would be VERY fun i would love to give them funky bits of cyberware. they'd be nomads + netrunners. i know this for a fact.

📎 PAPERCLIP - a random fact.

later on in the story marcus gets a little poorly drawn heart tattooed on his wrist. that jason drew and i just think that is VERY good. personally.

morgan and lou had a gar.field themed wedding cake.

🚆 TRAIN - what is their answer to the trolley problem?

BWUHGH. UH. WELL. NOW YOU WANT ME TO GET THAT DEEP INTO THEIR BRAINS??? OK. probably sacrifice the one to save the many, bc they would be willing to sacrifice themselves if it absolutely came down to it 10000%

💧 DROPLET - random angst headcanon

i think i already unloaded most of the angst but. more for marcus bc i'm insane and evil <3 just thinking about what would happen if marcus ended up dying at the end, and doesnt get resurrected. i'm thinking about it. i don't want it to happen. but like. what if it did. the tragedy of it all. i know i just said he'd sacrifice himself if it came to it, but this would not be a sacrifice, it would be from an easily preventable mistake. hoghfhdgfhghhHOHHHH

🌈 RAINBOW - what advice would they give to their younger self?

morgan would tell her younger self that it's okay to be who she is, and no one else can choose that for her, she doesn't have to fit into any sort of mold, and she shouldn't force herself, either

marcus would tell himself that it's okay, just breathe, everyone loves you, you're not a freak, there's better people out there that are worth your time. don't give up

☁️ CLOUD - a soft headcanon

morgan and lou wake up hugging each other Every morning. not a headcanon this is a fact. they have a restless night if they're not hugging each other in their sleep.

marcus caught himself daydreaming a Lot about holding hands with jason a little after they first met and he was So embarrassed about it he considered just. straight up running away. stealing the car and launching himself into the sun. or the ocean. he can't even drive but he was more than willing to speed off into the sunset and never return.

[punkscowardschampions]

Nancy & Rio

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Nancy: okay okay just yours then Nancy: come on, I can do this Rio: [does] Rio: but honestly, fuck it Nancy: there's so much I could make work Nancy: & no reason for us both to hate our outfits Rio: I won't hate it, I'll just be hated Rio: mainly by my grandma 💁 Nancy: as soon as Buster arrives his attitude will pull focus Nancy: plenty to keep your grandma busy in this car Rio: He'd never be that nice to me Rio: even unintentionally Nancy: I will then Nancy: thinking of a scene to cause as we speak Rio: 😏 Rio: such a shame there'll be no hot girls there you aren't related to 💔 Nancy: if only hitchhikers were still a thing Rio: So predatory for a 13 year old Rio: flip that script honey Nancy: it's the lesbian way Nancy: ask every girl at my school Rio: Ugh, turning their backs in the changing room is it? Rio: like half of 'em have got anything to hide, people are ridiculous Nancy: Yeah Rio: Its more than that then Nancy: It's not a story for today Rio: Later Rio: when you've caught up Nancy: when I've taken my make up off maybe Nancy: it took a really long time Rio: it looks 🔥 Nancy: it's not too much, right? You'd tell me Rio: Of course Rio: but it so isn't, its great Nancy: thanks Nancy: a benefit of doing it in February, our faces won't melt off & I'm not sunburnt Rio: They've thought of you at least Rio: love that Nancy: I'll try & remember to thank them too, like Rio: Thank whichever God made you gay too Rio: boys are such dicks Nancy: I got stuck with a brother so I'd still suffer Nancy: probably won't 🙏 Rio: Well you can ignore him Rio: sure you both prefer it that way Nancy: You can ignore any boys you want Nancy: or don't want Rio: Nah Rio: not when I'm this hard to ignore yeah Nancy: all the more reason Nancy: when you look like you look you can take your pick Rio: I already have, that's what I'm saying Nancy: & they're still dicks? Rio: He is Nancy: So dump him Nancy: there must be some boys in existence who aren't Rio: Eh Rio: None as cute Nancy: Gross Rio: Shut up 🙄 Nancy: if you wanna talk about boys you've come to the wrong place Rio: excuse me Rio: you've literally talked about your hitchhiker fantasy so you can deal with it Nancy: I don't have a fantasy I was trying to think of a diversion to horrify your grandma Rio: Sure Nancy: It's a shame Buster would never swap outfits with me Nancy: a move like that really would pull focus from what you're wearing Rio: I hate to break it to you but not really Rio: already got so many chicks in suits Rio: you know this is MY parents wedding, not yours Nancy: but how many boys in dresses do you have? Rio: I'll check Rio: my parents have weird friends, babe Rio: and have you met my siblings like Rio: your the normie branch of the fam, no amount of lesbian angst is changing that for you, I'm so sorry Nancy: at least they have friends, mine have co-dependence Nancy: and yeah, I'm trying to get adopted in, remember? Rio: 😍 romantic Rio: we'll swap Rio: I need the break Nancy: you and Buster would kill each other in seconds Nancy: but if you can survive long enough to end him I support it Rio: Duh Nancy: I've heard 'you should see the other guy' enough to be sure it's bullshit Nancy: you can take him Rio: I know Rio: trust me Nancy: he hasn't lost a 🥊 for ages it's way past due Rio: Weddings always end in a scrap Rio: may as well take it for the team honestly Nancy: fights & drunken displays happen whenever this family gets together Nancy: again, take your pick Rio: I'm not drunk but tah for the faith, babe Nancy: it's early still Rio: 😒 Nancy: they are all driving me to drink & I don't even Rio: Slainte Nancy: exactly Rio: Fuck it, I'm going town Nancy: do you have time? Rio: Sure Nancy: Then yeah go Rio: ✌ see you when you get here Nancy: I'll find you as soon as we show up Rio: Do Rio: I'll be the bombshell Nancy: I'll be the awkward ginger Nancy: 💚💋 Rio: 🧡💋

[theashesofthefirststar]

Why Bisexual Lance is So Important

Alright guys, I want to get a little bit personal with you. I can't explain just how important bisexual Lance is without explaing the journey to understanding my own sexuality first, so bear with me for a little bit.

When I was a kid, I spent a ridiculous amount of time agonizing about my sexuality. I knew I liked boys, but there was also this part of me that felt drawn to girls. In fact, I have vivid memories of going to church with my grandparents and hiding away in the bathroom, quite literally praying that god would give me some kind've grand epiphany. Seeing that part of my upbringing was rather conservative, of course I didn't want to like girls, and I remember thinking that god wouldn't be so unfair, that if liking the same sex meant being sent to hell - as my fudemental church taught me - then god wouldn't set me up to lose like that.

This part of my story is an universal experience amongst a lot of people in the LGBT community. But this is where it gets tricky.

My mom came out to me as a lesbian when I was about thirteen. I had my suspicions, but the point is, she never told me. I had already internalized my sexuality, and because she hid hers from me, it was only natural for me to do the same. In fact, the only person I told about my possible bisexuality was one of her girlfriend.

Fast forward several years and I'm seventeen. I have only dated boys and am currlently with my boyfriend of one and half years. He was a good guy, but ignorant. We both were. He use to say that he was fine with me making out with my female friends because it was "just fun". Lol, spoiler alert 2011 boyfriend, that's not the way it works.

So I inevitably developed a crush on one of these girls I'm having fun with, and after some Freaks and Geeks style Teenage Angst™, I tell my well meaning boyfriend that I think I'm a lesbian and break up with him.

It's a big deal for me. I come out. The conservative part of my family holds an intervention, my mom makes some joke about receiving my How to be a Lesbian handbook in the mail. I had a few girlfriends. I genuinely felt as if I was strictly attracted to girls. It was great...until it wasn't.

Eventually, I do start dating sleeping with guys again. At first, I make excuses. "Oh, no girls want to date me anymore." Or "I'm just lonely. It was one time." And I did have to make excuses. My friends would constantly interrogate me. My ex took me to be some lying slut instead of the sexually confused individual that I was. And perhaps worst of all was the fact that I grew up with a mother who was biphobic. She - like a lot of lesbians I know- had an issue with bi woman. And look, I love this woman to death, but growing up she would say horrible things about bi woman without realizing her own ignorance.

This is the first differentiator between what its like to be gay and what its like to be bi. Over fifty percent of the LGBT community identifies as bisexual, and yet are subjected to more decrimination than any other fraction of said community within their own community. In the straight world, bisexual people are treated as slutty or confused. In the gay world, they're simply treated as if they don't belong.

This stems from a much bigger issue. When my friends would interrogate me, they'd always ask, "So do you like boys or girls?" Or, it was always or, never and. Once I accepted my sexuality, this infuriated me. At least until I realized that I was the same way. We are conditioned to compartmentalize things, sexuality and gender especially. People are assumed straight until proven gay. Bisexual is never on the bracket. Most people dont even realize that liking both boys and girls is an option.

And for many people, when they finally do, there's such an internalized biphobia that accepting it becomes actually painful. Accepting it means constant judgment. It means being ostracized by your gay friends.

"You can come the party, but you cant bring your opposite sex partner," says my lesbian friend, completely ignoring the B in LGBT.

"Oh, I know you're bi, but if you haddddd to choose," says a thirty something year old, gay man - my friend.

"Becca, if you convince my husband that he's bisexual, I swear-" says another gay friend of mine who constantly rejects his partners sexuality because godforbid he be married to one of us two-sex loving heathens.

Theres a reason why Bisexuals are said to be apart of the "phantom spectrum". Because we are constantly treated as if we don't exist. But it doesn't have to be that way. Media is one of the biggest and long lasting influencers in our lives. It shapes who we are and how we view the world.

I'm twenty three, and it wasnt until I was twenty one that I begane to proudly wear the label of bisexual. Its too late for me. I can't go back in time and change those formative years, but with something as simple as explicit bi representation, we can save a generation of kids the same confusion and stigma that many bi people experience today.

So yeah, I'm a little bit fed up with people treating me as if wanting Lance to be confirmed bisexual is the same as me pushing my Big Gay Agenda on them. If that's what you really think it's about, then you are willfully ignorant to the unique experiences of Bisexuals.

[calmer-chameleon]

If this is awkward or intrusive, pls ignore, but but I'm I'm pretty sure you're the only person I've ever seen talk about this. A long time ago I remember you saying something about the only way you could imagine being be being in a relationship with a man is if you picture yourself as also aa ma. Is there a name for this or is that a wlw experience? I'm really struggling to figure out if I'm a straight woman or not and I can't figure out how to Google this concept or understand it better

(pt2) again I apologize if that's weird or notsomething that you want to talk about, I totally understand. I just live in avery small town and I don't know really any non straight people that that I canconnect with around here, and like I said your blog is the only place I've everreally heard that discussed before and I've been thinking about it a lotrecently

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It’s not intrusive orweird at all and I do not at all mind talking about it! So here’s what it is. Ican’t say that I actually imagine myself in relationships with men as a man, assuch. To me this is mostly something I like to joke about. I think it isextremely normal to be able to tell which people of a gender you’re notactually attracted to are attractive, so of course I can tell which men arehot/cool/attractive even though I have zero desire to date them or sleep withthem. Because I’m gay, I just tend to see attraction and love and sexual desireas directed to a person of the same gender as default because that is how Iexperience those feelings. I can’t relate to the heterosexual dynamic becauseit’s something I’m very much uninterested in, so when I as a fun thoughtexercise picture what my life would be like if I were a man I picture a gayman.

Me and a gay malefriend of mine talked about both relating to stuff this way, he made a commentabout some celebrity man being hot and I said something like “yeah if I was agay man I’d definitely fancy him”, and then he said he also relates to women hecan tell are attractive that way, thinking “if I was a lesbian I’d date her”. Wemade jokey posts about what we’d look like and who we’d date if we swappedgenders and were gay the other way, and some other gay people joined in onthis. I want to stress again that none of us see this as some kind of veryserious phenomenon or important understanding of ourselves, it really is just afun topic to joke about.

I have a straightfemale friend who told me she experiences attraction to men as a veryfundamental part of herself and could easily imagine being a gay man, but couldnot imagine being attracted to women at all, so I don’t think this conceptappealing to someone has to mean anything about who they’re interested in.

I HAVE however seenother lesbians, often women that are much younger than me and grew up aroundinternet “queer culture” say that they questioned for a while if they weremaybe gay trans men before coming to an understanding of themselves aslesbians. They explained this as realising they were very uncomfortable being aguy’s girlfriend, but not immediately realising that was because they weren’tinto guys, and mistaking it for a desire to be a guy’s boyfriend instead. I can’tsay I’ve ever felt that way, but that might very well be because when I was ateenager I had literally never come across even a mention of the existence ofgay trans men. I can sort of relate to it still in the sense that I had a phaseas a teenager/early 20s when I was just very interested in gay and bi men and felta strong kinship with artists like Freddie Mercury, George Michael, Boy George,Adam Lambert and Ola Salo from the band The Ark as well as with ‘feminine’straight male musicians. I thought they were stunningly beautiful men but neverpictured myself being with them sexually or romantically. I still feel a kinshipwith them now as well, which I now understand as being about wanting to befeminine without being demure and girly, which effeminate male rocker typesembody for me.

This is becoming avery long answer and I’m kind of moving away from the point I think! You sayyou’re questioning whether you’re a straight woman, and I’d advise you to dosome introspection about what attraction feels like to you, and who you feel ittowards. I’d say try on the idea of being a non-straight woman, withoutworrying about labels for now. How do you feel about the idea of existing inthe world as a woman who dates other women, has sex with other women, does thatsound like something that would make you happy? If you come to the conclusionthat it does, you are interested in the idea of being with another womanromantically, sexually, intimately, then you can if you want to asses if youcould feel those things towards a man as well or if you only feel it towardswomen. The words ‘bisexual’ and ‘lesbian’ are just words that we as humans madeup to describe experiences that existed before those words were there todescribe them, they are authentic and genuine experiences that women can have andnot subcultures that you have to make yourself fit into.

You say you live in asmall town, do you at all have access to transportation to a larger town nearbywhere there might be gay events? Just being around gay couples can be verynourishing and allow you to picture yourself as a potential gay person even ifyou’re just kind of there as an observer and not ‘part of the scene’. If there’sno town like that near you, I think it wouldn’t be a bad idea at all to try andsee if there are any gay/bi women in your area that you can connect with online.I think people use meetup.com for stuff like that but I’m not sure, maybe otherpeople have some advice for how to find lgbt people in rural areas?

And lastly, feel freeto ask me more stuff or if you comfortable to come off anon we can talkprivately!

[punkscowardschampions]

Nancy & Rio

Nancy: Hey Nancy: Do you want me to come down and stay with you, it can't be much fun just having Buster for company, like Rio: That's okay, I can't have you playing truant too Rio: I'm going to make him go back before long, swear Nancy: Ri, please. You know what school is like for me, any excuse, I swear Rio: Your 'rents would have me like forreal Rio: I know how shit it is, even more now, soz Nancy: Do you hear them shouting down the phone to him? No 'cause they aren't Nancy: Not to be that bitch, 'cause it's so not funny, but you have kind of taken the heat off me so Nancy: I owe you Rio: Priorities, like, though I dread to think what happens when your Mum gets to me on her list Rio: Reckon I can claim that as any kind of excuse/reasoning or? Nancy: Don't worry nobody exists to her right now but my Auntie Nancy: Which is a sentence I never thought I'd say Rio: I know, but that's good, I mean Rio: as good as anything can be Rio: You know I never meant to do this to her, right Nance? Nancy: Of course Nancy: I think I understand better than most, right? Rio: What do you mean, like? Nancy: You and him Nancy: You didn't mean to, like I didn't, but it happened 'cause it had to, you know? Nancy: You can't help how you feel, even if you want to Nancy: Especially when you want to, like Rio: Oh, no no Rio: It really isn't like that Rio: like, I hear what you're saying on all that but that's not what that was Nancy: You and him aren't Nancy: I don't know how to word it now Nancy: But he looks at you like Nancy: And you're always tilting your phone away for someone Rio: Not him Rio: I wouldn't lie, I'm not saving myself from anything at this point, if that was going on I'd tell you Rio: He wanted it to and, yeah, I knew that before this baby shower but I didn't lead him on or encourage him Nancy: Okay, well now I feel weird Nancy: Fuck, I'm sorry Nancy: I really projected there Rio: It's okay Rio: It'll be the general consensus and almost certainly how he'll frame it but no Nancy: It's not okay Nancy: He did that and I've been talking to you this way Nancy: Wow Rio: I mean, I don't think I did Rio: I thought he was good looking, sure and I tried harder with him than most of us did but Rio: I didn't actually want anything to happen, nor think it would Nancy: I'm as bad as him so there's nothing I can say Nancy: But I still think you'd know if you did or didn't Nancy: And if you didn't want anything to happen, the signals are there, even if you are that committed to only seeing what you wanna see Nancy: He can ignore them but like, you still gave them out Rio: Don't say that, you aren't like him at all Rio: You'd never do or say half the things he did Rio: especially when he had so much reason to know I wasn't interested, you're right Nancy: I mean, I did kiss someone who didn't want me to Rio: It is different, just by nature of what it is, was Rio: Should you have done it? 'Course not but there was never reason or chance for Sian to give out the clear no I did Rio: Because, well, you know Nancy: Yeah Nancy: If I thought for a second that she didn't want me to, I wouldn't Nancy: He clearly didn't have the same qualms about it Nancy: That's so disgusting Nancy: On levels that I can't even Rio: I know she won't be ready to hear it Rio: probably not ever from me Rio: but Ro is better off without him Rio: he's still dealing, which I think we all knew Rio: and I've seen him out, he isn't her Prince Charming, like Nancy: Me and mum have been saying it for as long as they've been together Nancy: As much as she'll talk about any of it to me Nancy: I've overheard more than she's probably ever said but Nancy: I feel like I can't tell her either 'cause it's like oh the man hating lesbian at it again Nancy: But he's just Rio: He really is Rio: and he isn't a good Dad Rio: maybe he'll be better for this one but, he isn't to Edie and Indie barely thinks of him that way either so Nancy: Poor Astrid Nancy: Maybe we can move Ro in with us now? I don't know Nancy: Like it's at a point that I'd move into Indie's room at hers if she'd let me Rio: I'm glad she's got you all around, she's going to need the help Rio: My Ma and all of them will be there too Nancy: Let's be honest, she would of even if he hadn't done this Nancy: Oh my god Nancy: I'm never having kids ever Rio: Yeah Rio: I was joking that that shower was effective contraception before but now Rio: fucking hell Nancy: It's made me not wanna have sex again and I can't even get pregnant so Nancy: Good lord Rio: Think that's the first time I've legitimately laughed since Rio: Oh babe Nancy: Rio? Rio: Yeah? Nancy: Where are you gonna be? 'Cause you said your family will all be there but Rio: I don't know, honestly Rio: but my job at the angel is coming to an end and then with all this Rio: I might try somewhere else, just for a bit Nancy: It worked for me Nancy: I'll miss you though Rio: I'll miss you too Rio: You're gonna be going soon too though, yeah? And June and Buster Rio: I don't want to be the only one left behind just 'cos I don't have the brains, like Nancy: We'd never leave you behind Nancy: You can go in my place if you want, change the major to maths or something Nancy: I don't want to Rio: You've got to Rio: You're just scared, but it'll be incredible, and the right thing for you, most importantly Nancy: I'm really, properly scared whenever I think about it Nancy: What if it's worse than here 'cause I'm alone on top of everything else Nancy: I can't just change schools like I did before Rio: You can, like, that first year Rio: but you're not going to want to, it'll be nothing like School Nancy: Everything's changing so much, like you said Nancy: I'll even miss Buster, and what the fuck is that, like? Rio: He'll be wanting to visit all the time Rio: Me too, like Nancy: I need to see where I can get accepted first, slow down you two Rio: You so will though Rio: World's your oyster Nancy: Yours too Nancy: And we still have Milan, yeah? Rio: Romantic 😉 Rio: but yeah, I've not drank away my funds or anything drastic yet Nancy: I was gonna say I love you, but I'll keep it to myself now, fine 😏 Rio: New drama alert Rio: they'll not survive Nancy: Don't Nancy: I can't handle any more Nancy: It hurts so much, doesn't it? Rio: It does Rio: got to believe that was rock bottom though Rio: can't get any worse, only way is up, all that shite Nancy: God, I hope so Nancy: Give us a break Rio: Backatcha Rio: No more scandals from either of us, right? Nancy: It's my brother's fucking turn Nancy: While I'm on the subject, can I ask you something? Rio: Sure Nancy: Why pick him for a getaway driver? Of all of us Nancy: I know what he said but Nancy: I'm not saying it's the weirdest part of this, but I'm also not saying it isn't Rio: Gays can't drive, right? Nancy: I'm a walking stereotype, alright, emphasis on the walking Rio: 😂 Rio: Exactly Nancy: Tell him not to spend every euro on himself, yeah? Nancy: Nobody needs to eat out every night in a new look Rio: I did drag him to Skerries, no doubt the response but I'll let him know Nancy: He loves it don't let him deny it Nancy: Even if he did nearly drown 🙄 Rio: Another touchy subject Nancy: When his ego is involved, if you aren't stroking it you're asking for trouble Nancy: Boys ugh Rio: Don't need to tell me, babe Nancy: I won't bother telling you that girls are far superior Nancy: What do I know? Rio: Is it? 😏 Nancy: Can you please come back soon so I don't have to drink alone Nancy: I need my wingwoman back Rio: 'Course Rio: London is on my list of maybes so might even meet you there, like Nancy: Yeah? Nancy: If you run into Chlo, you know what to do Rio: Absolutely Rio: Doubt I'm affording her postcode but I'll drop by with the 👊 Nancy: You doesn't even have that much money, she just acts like it Rio: If I can take any life lessons from the bitch, like Nancy: As long as you stop there and don't take fashion tips too Nancy: I still have to be seen with you in Milan, like Rio: 😂 Where's the lie Rio: she was stalking me a while back, bizarrely so I was petty and did some myself and yikes Nancy: I try not to be that bitch but I HATE her so much Nancy: Oh? How and why? Rio: Understandable Rio: I reckon she keeps tabs on us all, she's like weirdly obsessed with you and your Brother Rio: idk, she double-tapped by mistake, amusing Nancy: Gross Nancy: But I was the one who fancied her, okay babe sure Nancy: I bet she tries to look up all of Buster's conquests still, good luck with that Nancy: I'm invested and even I gave up years ago Rio: Honestly Rio: ain't in a mood to be talking about ladies who doth protest too much but well Rio: look what you made me do Chloe Nancy: Her and Drew should start a club and get jackets Rio: She'd love that Rio: get rid of 'em both in one, bit hopeful perhaps but worth a shot Nancy: I try never to feel any sympathy for my brother ever, but she really drove me there Rio: It was fucked Nancy: It's messed his head up Nancy: I can see how sad he is Rio: I know Rio: but he'll be alright Rio: we all will Nancy: Yeah Rio: I promise Rio: hit me with a more enthusiastic yeah thanks Nancy: yeah!! Nancy: I miss you already Rio: You're cute Nancy: Try and control yourself though Nancy: No drama, remember? Rio: 😂 Rio: It ain't gotta be drama baby Nancy: Are you gonna divorce yourself from our bloodline so we aren't cousins? Nancy: Quite drastic but I like it Rio: That's just the kind of dedication you can expect from me Rio: What can I say? Nancy: No other girl has ever gone that hard for me Nancy: So thanks Rio: Should hope not Rio: 👀 up the sibs now Nancy: 😂 Nancy: On the dedication scale in general, babe Rio: Whatever you say, McKenna Nancy: What I should say is that I have so much homework to do Nancy: Which I gotta since you won't let me skip 😒 Rio: Unlucky babe Nancy: As you're also insisting I'm uni bound I better stop complaining and just do it Nancy: So high maintenance you are 😏 Rio: Obviously Rio: always about that sugar Nancy: Don't be a stranger, like Nancy: And don't start preferring the other twin, yeah?