#like i stan groups that had members that enlisted

[bandzboy]

so many kpop boys will enlist soon i don't even wanna think abt lmfao...

[solarwynd]

Tbh I don't even care / dislike boycott armys. If you don't want to spend money on BTS because they haven't spoken about Palestine, that's your perogative. Because they're enlisted, that does make a difference for me - maybe others find it an excuse but as someone who doesn't live in a liberal western country myself, I know how things like this work in my country and how vulnerable you can be in this situation, so I don't know how it works in s korea but still I'm giving them some leeway. Also there's just this weird disconnect for me because on one side yeah they're millionaires with a huge platform, on the other side they're currently in the mfing army right now. It feels foul to start tweeting about their privilege from the comfort of my bed in my home - something they currently do not experience. That's just my opinion. Someone else might perceive them to have more power than I do and maybe they're right. I won't say mine is the only right way to think. Plus again it's your money - if you donate more and spend less on merch then that's still a net good imo.

But the whole tone of people remarking on this donation has been completely gross. The way they talk about a genocide the same way they talk about the stupid fanwars that happen on twt everyday rather than with the weight it deserves makes me feel like this is some performative bs. Tweets like the ones some armys and kpop stans make just degrades the whole movement.

If you do have genuine intentions and start making stupid tweets like that, you should really touch some grass, log off twitter and do some more actual activism offline instead of letting twitter brain worms consume you. Acting like everyone's misconstruing what you said and playing victim is also not the move. This is a serious topic so I'd expect tweets related to this to have some actual thought behind it instead of spewing some idiocy as a gotcha because again it looks like you're treating this whole issue like some fandom war and trying to one-up the other side. Click-clack my ass.

Armys always come at BTS crazy during times like this and it’s not because it’s “necessary” since you want them to speak up. It all just comes off as sanctimonious and BTS ruining the perception armys have built around them as stans of them being a bit more conscientious than other k groups. I’ve never had an issue with boycotting in theory it’s just that armys can’t stand behind shit or just go about it the wrong way.

Why is it the minute they don’t perform to your exact standards, all of a sudden they’re low down and evil?Why couldn’t y’all have used Jimin donating as a beacon to rally fans to open a pool or something? And I try not to go tit for tat on things like this, but it’s extremely hard not to when you see proof of all these armys happily buying and streaming golden from last year and have been the main ones making these posts about jimin’s donation.

Nothing has changed from that time to present day. Same with the kpop stans trying to join in on it stanning groups who haven’t said a word either. How do you expect me not to believe y’all don’t have ulterior motives by singling him or BTS out? Now all those accounts have deleted those tweets cause they’ve gotten called out on their hypocrisy and got caught up in how dumb they look getting Jimin dragged over something so harmless. Cause it’s not like he gave money to something inane or inconsequential. He’s helping underprivileged children. Just real dickheaded behavior from that person.

Now considering how a member has close ties with scooter, making a statement would come off as hypocritical. I know in the grander scheme of things, what’s needed and what’s important is the awareness and I’d take it as such. But denouncing Zionism with a Zionist so avidly in the mix still wouldn’t be a good look. Which is why I feel like donating would have been the better option. It’d be much more substantial helping out with funds/materials imo because those are things Palestinians desperately need. But I understand that it’s not on the table since they’re in the military.

[beautifulpersonpeach]

BPP! You mentioned somewhere that releasing music during enlistment was legal. Is that true? My understanding was that idols were not allowed to earn from their day jobs while in the military.

There is talk of two BTS members releasing albums while away during military service. Most likely this is rumoured to be Jimin and RM. Why would they release an album if they cannot earn from it? Hybe would never give a free album.

Also. Why would they release music when they are not able to promote it? Especially Jimin who only went through a 9 day promotion period for Face. And RM, who had been working very hard for something different (I think he said it in his interview/live that next work will be completely different). Would they not want that promotion time?

I honestly find it quite baffling when some fans argue that that Jimin and RM don’t want the commercial success. I am pretty sure they do so it is surprising that they would be releasing albums while away.

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It being legal has nothing to do with whether or not Jimin/RM want commercial success.

For every question you asked, direct it to Kai who enlisted before EXO released Exist - an album he contributed to and was profiting from while not promoting it. Or to all the actors who enlist and their projects are released for profit without incident. It's legal. They can't access this profit until their service is over, and that's understood and accepted by all parties.

The issue with Baekhyun was a mob of rival stans from SM groups making a stink, because up to that point Baekhyun was perceived to be the favourite of the company alongside Taemin. People were going to use outside pressure, given the issue involves public perception and the military, they were willing to use that to humble Baekhyun. SM acted to protect their own image even though the initial claims were baseless so their action was unnecessary.

The repeat of the same thing is happening now, with EXO/SM stans angry that BTS, the perceived 'favourite', is putting out music their own fave wasn't able to even if that means ignoring people from their own company (like Kai) who also had no issues. These people are hoping HYBE rolls over and pulls the BTS projects. It's just the classic SM stan coping mechanism of directing their angst/anger/frustration at BTS/ARMYs rather than at SM for the company's own incompetence. That's how a company that's been in as many criminal cases as SM, still has this many loyal fans than critics.

Personally, I'm not invested one way or the other. We don't know what the format of the releases will look like. Whether there'll be filmed performances or not. Most of the time Coldplay performed My Universe BTS wasn't there, so it's not like there's no precedent for the members not actively participating in promoting a song. Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see but personally, I'm looking forward to everything the members have prepared.

[sageistri]

There's a section of boycotters - and this isn't all of them but a definite section of them - that have just completely started hating on BTS because of their silence on the issue. And honestly if this is a red line, just unstan? I'm not sure why they're waiting for BTS to break the laws associated with their enlistment. Like how is this your only focus? Unstan and focus on Palestine full-time.

Sincerely I'm not trying to be a dick but the effort they're putting talking about it constantly online and trying to, I don't know...make BTS speak on this issue versus the reward in this case is what? Complete dream scenario every member comes out and condemns it, donates and Hybe magically removes scooter Braun. Apart from the money, I just don't see how any of that helps actual Palestinians to the extent that this is the entire focus of this section of pro-boycott armys. Also the extent of their action plan to make BTS speak on it (not Hybe btw but BTS), seems to be to spam members or their family members Insta and make snarky remarks online. My brother in Christ there has to be a better use for your time than bitching about Park Jimin donating to underprivileged children...

I will say some of them are trying to just utilize the community of "army" to amplify things related to Palestine which is fine. Even targeting scooter makes sense to me since he uses his platform as a zionist tool. But for some armys, looking at their feed, it's definitely feels performative to me. If the extent of your activism is retweeting and worrying about when BTS is going to speak on this, then I fear your priorities are totally messed up.

I don't really like the idea of using their enlistment as the reason why they haven't spoken up even if it most likely is because they could end up saying something or donating and everyone who claimed they couldn't say anything because of their service would be accused of all kinds of things.

But yes while I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting BTS to show their support, I do not get why that's the sole focus like BTS saying something would suddenly make everything ok, it seems to be more for themselves than Palestine at this point, also I do not like how these people have given kpop stans an avenue to call BTS out while ignoring their own faves. I'm seeing multi stans who barely talk about BTS and kpop stans join in asking for BTS to be boycotted but you scroll through their tweets and you're sure to find something showing that they've been supporting some other kpop groups new album.

Why is the conversation always centered around BTS and not everyone else? Another example of how all kpop groups have always ridden on their backs, they get the hate and criticism in lieu of everyone else. The same thing happened in 2020 because why was the whole of Twitter including western stans all asking BTS to speak up but asked no other kpop group not even bp who were their competitors and had just as much social media reach as them. And the minute BTS spoke up I never saw other kpop groups being asked to speak up. It just doesn't make sense to me.

[ask-serendipity-sky]

https://twitter.com/psoftjm/status/1724051302500417999

Atp is only Jimin stans who understand the artist as a person too ? I mean I'm not saying we are the best lol but.. wow only Jimin stans are calling out people like these. Look at the quotes majority of them are Jimin stans.

Hi anon,

You know what? Yes.

The other day we had a talk about why Jimin's fans are the most supportive and empathic out of each members' fans. And we all kinda agreed that Jimin attracts people who are like this and because of the way he is, we continue following him.

Due to all the stuff that surrounds Jimin, now and before, we've learned a few things. I wouldn't exactly call us resilient (a tiny bit?? feels weird) but you learn to appreciate the good since we have a lot of bad. No other group of fans has had to deal with the stuff we deal. We might take life a little more serious than other fans.

Jimin also takes things seriously. He doesn't feed us insane things just for fun or to get attention. We don't get pushed to be delulu. We live in reality.

We are in this because we care about things. This brings out the best (and worst) in people.

It's unfortunate that other fans don't have regard for their bias. It's cruel. And with Jimin, all we want to do is protect!

You see someone taking military service like a joke and think of how Jimin will do there.

And what goes around comes around. The Golden Rule. Treat others the way you want to be treated. If I laugh at the other members enlistment, nothing stops others from laughing at Jimin. This life altering event is not a joke to Jimin or to the other members. We see things as serious because they are...because they always have been when it comes to him.

We are not the best fans but we do love him an insane amount....so I guess sometimes we have some love to spare. And common sense. Lots of that.

Hope that helps:)

[mussiss]

Late to the party but can i just say i love YoungPil 😍

I have soft spot for wonpil since WIN (bad hair era) thought him to be some rough, kind of delinquent due to bad friend influence but has nice heart kiddo (i judge people on their hair) but he's actually a softie through and through and has remained so until now. Young K is just Young K (too idol for me which i must admit i just learned to appreciate his idolness and work ethics) and I love Day6 as a whole because of their music (like everyone else, i'm sure.. also because i am JYP stan to the core).

Honestly i dont pay too much attention to their contents not only due to the lack of thereof but also because i was preoccupied with different groups (multi tasking is not for me) so i wasnt aware of the group dynamics or the secret politics driven allengiances like some fans gossiping about (cough*the departure of infamous member*cough) but i stumbeld upon Summer Melody while the members on military hiatus and boy i was pleasantly surprised by how soft Young K is towards Wonpil.

Like i said, i have soft spot for Wonpil so to see someone treating him just as softly definitely intrigued me. I am aware of Dowoon x Wonpil mischiveous adventures and Sungjin x Wonpil but Young K and the blatant favoritism he showed throughout the show and later i learned, beyond?? Like how dare HIM?

Some of my favourite (not in any particular order):-

1) The fact that he openly declared he remembers Wonpil's enlistment date and discharge date but has no idea when Dowoon enlisted.

2) He loves to surprise Wonpil.

- lied to Wonpil that he couldnt attend his solo concert

-sing A Journey on a festival that Wonpil attended (pretty excited to surprise him)

- appear on Wonpil's birthday live with a seaweed soup right after his Dekira schedule

3) He attended the last day of Wonpil solo concert since rehearsal and during the concert he served as a backing vocals for Days Gone By (as explained by Wonpil later in the same concert - Wonpil was very pleased) and infamously cried during Wonpil last ment.

4) He remembers the exact days left until Wonpil's official discharge when fans asked in IG live.

5) On Summer Melody he offers to help Wonpil with the rice just because Wonpil said he feels hot (and looked tired).

6) When Dowoon asked for a help with the firewood he offers to help in exchange of looking for the ingredients - which basically just rummaging through the house not like picking things out in the garden (a one man job if you asked me and they have staffs behind the scene) but was quick to offer a hand when Wonpil is the one chopping it - even Dowoon complained that he was doing it alone.

7) Openly defend Wonpil whenever Sungjin complaints about the said man (tough love Sungjin is).

8) On a military radio show quiz he purposely stalled to ensure Wonpil's team win.

9) said he wants to eat whatever Wonpil wants to eat after the same radio show.

10) Wonpil chose him as the one that he talked in the phone the longest - Young K can identify the sound of ships, he is also aware that sometimes Wonpil didnt have signal if he sailed far away.

11) he made pasta for Wonpil in Autumn Break and had to re-do the pasta 2 to 3 times because it wasnt good enough for Wonpil. He was visibly *slightly* upset when Wonpil said the breakfast was good (the next day) but his pasta was only edible.

12) was obviously hyper during Dekira on Wonpil's unofficial discharge day.

13) the infamous phone call during his solo concert. I feel like everyone in the concert hall was third wheeling them LMAO.

... and more. Will probably update the list or maybe i wont.

*I dont know these people personally. These are just my observations.

[sizzlingpatrolfox]

jk has armys so he wont crash and burn but he also isnt new justin, far from it. armys would never believe it but seven is not a hit for an american industry scale. he is staying on charts thanks to radio and crazy amount of remixes and his biggest streams are from thailand. he is not gonna become huge pop star just for having abs and singing generic repetetive songs. he is still just bts member that had many streams on his new song and thats it. but well we will see what scooter will mold him into beacause jk doesnt seem to mind anything if it will make him biggest pop star

I guess that was Scooter’s way of thinking.

Jungkook has a fandom because of BTS, BUT he is new at being solo. So Scooter doesn’t have to start from 0 while also being the one to take credit for “making” him and his stans and pjms too can say what they want but BTS is more well known and successful than any member (we’ll see if it’s going to change) do if Scooter succeed in making him a Harry he will see it as a win.

Anyways, these are the reasons I think it’s not going to work(no particular order):

-racism

-like anon said Jk is not fluent enough in English

-Kpop/armys have a bad reputation which is going to stop many people from taking Jk seriously(kpop is like anime: everyone’s heard of it, but outside of the country of origin it’s still niche)

-Justin blew up in a veeery different era and he was a phenomenon. Things were different a decade ago. Now we are in the digital era where people can pull crazy numbers without their music being actually a hit worldwide(ex:Bad Bunny, Bts, Jungkook himself)

-enlistment(even if Jk doesn’t enlist for the 2025 “reunion” he still has to at some point so the only chance for Scooter to make him mainstream is before that)

-having Gp hit is very different from having Western’s pop stan’s respect. They are heavily into pop girls and are very critical of the men stars for doing the bare minimum(including JB) so if Scooter’s team doesn’t give him something “unique” like Harry’s clown clothes and queer image and let’s him be straight up a copy of JB (basic songs with basic vocals and basic dance-now that I think about it that’s why the choreo was so bland cause Justin has easy choreos too lol) he will not have these people’s “approval” and will be a laughing stock

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I think the fans thing is a very good point. It's real. Most of these groups or even soloists aren't taken seriously because of their fans. Nobody likes dealing with people who take everything personally and are fighting others on internet about who has the most monthly listeners on Spotify. One direction had some really good, geniunely catchy pop-rock music but they weren't taken seriously because of their fans. And the same happened to BTS. Mind you, the SK goverment would use BTS for clout and brownie points but they never respected them as a group enough to give them exemption. They're definitely more popular than Son Heungmin or any other sports figure, but does popularity equal respect? No. Never has, and never will.

In fact, I'd say Harry started being taken more seriously when he stopped having such a hardcore, pintpoint-able online "rabid" fanbase. Meaning, once he stopped being so associated to one direction. And that took a few years. 1D broke up in 2015, and in 2018 he was still "Harry from 1D". I think I started noticing a shift and more people acknowledging him just as Harry well after his first tour as a soloist was over, which was in like 2019. I barely see "harries" on twitter, too. They exist, obviously. But they're not really a strong online presence, like even Nicki fans are.

All BTS members are still "---- of BTS". I've said it even before the hiatus, and my opinon still hasn't changed. It's probably only Jimin who random people can say "Jimin" and others will know who they're talking about. It doesn't mean they're fans of him or anything, but just that his name stands for itself.

I'm what everyone would call a local, it sounds really stupid to say it like that but it's the only way I know how to say it. When I said this is just an online thing for me, I meant it. I don't have friends irl who listen to kpop or care about celebrities at all; I don't know people like that, people who are "fans" of anything. In 6 years or so I must've probably said BTS outloud like only a dozen times, and I don't really talk about them -or any other celebrity for that matter- with people irl. So I kind of gauge how "viral" and known something is through the people I know irl because if they're all posting a song on Instagram stories and whatever, then I know for sure it's reached the normies. That was Justin after 2015, Taylor after blank space kind of?? But more than anything after lover. Miley had that moment after wrecking ball, though she's had up and downs. Ariana only kind of picked up internationally in like 2020, but not even that. People here know who Ariana is, but they couldn't name you two of her songs. For Harry, it was watermelon sugar which was a song in his SECOND full album that was released five years after 1D. Anyone who thinks Harry got "international mainstream whatever" success right after one direction... is wrong. It happened in his second album. Even more so, despite one direction having had tours in stadiums, Harry's first solo tour was an arenas tour. He literally had shows for 15k, 20k people, not more than that. Any BTS akgae would've called him a flop. Hell, if they looked at his youtube/instagram/tiktok numbers right now they would still call him a flop.

Because that's usually how it goes for good, remarkable people who are meant to be remembered and even more loved as years go by. Olivia started off her career with a bang, but will people remember her 10 years from now? That's yet to be seen. Deep down, that is the ultimate goal for a lot of people. They want to make an impact and be rememberd in the long haul. Frankly, I believe that's the real definition of "success". Or at least the only respectable definition.

I'm working as a teacher right now, and the other day I asked my class of teens (they're all around 15 years old) who are they listening to these days so I'd take them a song to work with during class, and all the girls in the class immediately said Taylor Swift. I was so pleasantly surprised! I liked Taylor Swift in 2009 and back then nobody I knew listened to her.

I'm seeing Taylor in November, me and my little sister bought tickets to her show. My sister is 15 right now, about the same age I was in 2009 when I started listening to Taylor. One of her classmate's mom called me to help her get a ticket because they weren't able to the first time and her daughter cried the whole day. Now, that's legacy. How is Taylor, two decades into her career, still gaining fans and still getting bigger and bigger everyday? After getting the tickets I mentioned to my brother how I was listening to Taylor when I was 15 and now our sister is litening to her at 15 too, and he was like "it's not easy, having that kind of career especially right now when everything comes and goes so fast; she's almost like coldplay or the rolling stones now." You know, those bands that will always have an audience no matter how many years pass. I think BTS as a group is definitely in that category, but I can't say the same for any solo member as of right now. Ask me again in 10 years, maybe.

As for music, sometimes songs are a hit in the US and not the rest of the world. Sometimes they are everywhere else in the world but not in the US. More often than not, a certified Hit song happens when it's a hit both in the US AND worldwide. Like it or not, the world still looks to the US for "approval" in a lot of things, if it's cool there then they'll think it's cool anywhere else. I don't like in the US so I don't know if Morgan Wallen is a "household name", but he's already got the longest running #1 or whatever, even more weeks than as it was. Yet I've never heard his song, meanwhile everyone knew as it was. Either way, even "hit songs" have an expiration date. People don't hold on to one-time wonders for a long time, the next one comes and they forget about the previous one.

And then there's that thing I've talked about before related to trends in music and how the world seems to have moved on from pop songs and are more into a "mature" sound, and a more developed sound, something that sounds like people actually worked on them.

If we're talking about hits in the US, just look at these numbers. And it's a song with no remixes or anything. She barely did any performances for it. She literally didn't even try.

This isn't really relevant, just a shameless Harry plug, but I wish people knew more of Harry's music apart from watermelon sugar and as it was lol. I also liked him better before the clown clothes (tho he used to dress like that even when he was in one direction, he's always been ~quirky and no, he's not forcing that trait, he's just really always been like that since he was young). I actually don't even like as it was, and his last album is my least favorite one. I like this style of his:

It's understandable though, that singers like to experiment and try different things, they like reinventing themselves, and that's okay.

And this one is a song that he wrote but then gave to Ariana Grande. And he doesn't change pronouns even if the song is sung by a woman. If I recall correctly, I think even the original leak of the song had these lyrics, as if they were written about a man (but don't quote me on that because it's been way too many years and I can't find the original leak).

[snowddeong]

Already had an idk how long hour rant session with Sarah about this shit but I'm still so annoyed so part 2 lmao

It's so profoundly frustrating and discouraging how itzy continues to be mistreated in every fucking facet you can imagine for the sin of literally being successful, talented women.

They're literally div 2's bottom line but the company acts like they're doing the girls a favour by even posting about their cbs on the accs that were literally made to promote itzy. We are just now getting some semblance of tiktok freedom 5 years into their career meanwhile idols that debuted after them have their own instagrams and their juniors in the same company have more freedom on all sorts of socials. We've confirmed that div 2 flubs so many of their opportunities for who knows what fucking reason after what happened with the CK Yeji event. And most importantly everything to do with Jisu — never fucking protecting her in any way, overwork, stifling her and the other girls' creativity, not utilising her voice well and every other fucking stupid thing they've done that's definitely made what she's going through so much worse. The girls are a cash grab to that fucking company (to the point we literally first learned about the cb and tour in the same post that was announcing Jisu's diagnosis) and they're not even allowed to express any frustration or sadness over that because "that's not professional" and they'd probably lose everything they've worked so hard for.

If they look sad you're not supposed to acknowledge to it or sympathise with it or treat them as human beings because it's "funny" to joke about how they want to get off work and anyway they're idols who gives af about idols anyway right? So called midzys are more concerned about making unfunny jokes than actually getting to know these girls. Every mf will say "ot5" then turn around and straight up hating certain members. Dehumanisation has become so fucking normalised in midzyville but then mfs will act surprised that the company gets away with this very obvious exploitation and mistreatment. If you view these human beings as a product that you can say whatever tf you want about on sites that you know they frequent because "it's just a joke lol" ofc the mfs presenting them as a product are going to benefit from it 😭

Then you have fuckass bitchass shitstain mnet and their hate boner for itzy. The largest number of most viewed videos on choom, the first choom performance to get more than 50 million views that's still consistently gaining more and more views, the first mix and max vid to get 50 million that's also still gaining views and gagged the kpop space so hard that Bebe Rexah released a korean specific version of break my heart myself and performed at fucking kcon because of Ryujin and Yeji, and their MAMA 2021 being the most iconic performance of that night (to the point that mnet decided to call back to it again last year mind you). You'd think wow hey these guys get us views let's be nice to them and keep them around.... but nah, deleted their iconic fucking performance that gave their boring award show relevance, deleted their debut stage, don't invite them to choom anymore, didn't even send ryeji their trophy or record something for Yeji when she got hers and then the bullshit that went on today lmao. Like it's so fucking obvious and you have to wonder WHY ffs

I have nothing against the group that won even though some of their stans are the most disgusting scum of the earth but like surely.... the numbers did not make sense. Even if you say itzy's digital points were too high okay fine that's just affirming that mnet isn't very honest with their numbers. They deleted itzy's untouchable stage for who knows what fucking reason then uploaded it later with reset views. How tf am I supposed to believe all this was above board when we've been beating that fandom in voting CONSISTENTLY even if they mobilised fandoms to help okay fine but did they enlist the whole of stantwt or something lmao how tf was the difference that great? Why were the sns scores so fucking weird when itzy untouchable shorts have consistently more views? Why is it "cope" or being a sore loser to call foul play when there's so much pointing to it being that AND mnet has a history of rigging??? The only real answer is it's because this happened to a girl group and specifically because this happened to itzy. They released one song people didn't like and suddenly deserve every terrible that happens to them is deserved and just "midzys complaining about nothing". And when it gets to a point where even the girls seem visibly frustrated and dissapointed? "Nah they just want to go home early lol don't read too much into it don't care"

This is so long and I feel like I could go on forever but tldr I just wish better for them man 🫠 every group is unique and important in their own way but itzy are really once in a lifetime performers. I know there's no such thing as a perfect world where everything goes smoothly especially for girl groups but fuck is it too much to ask for a little respect on their names and for everyone to leave them tf alone at the bare minumum 😭 itzy is the only group under div 2 just fucking do your jobs lmaooo

[taehyungfirst]

I’m gonna start this by saying I don’t like that woman, but this is an obvious smear campaign by Hybe, they’ve had employees, some of them in high positions, defraud them, impersonate artists, sell artists’ info and they’ve always been presented in the media as Mr. A, it has never been like this.

I don’t even care about her, but this is exactly what they did with Tae, but they couldn’t go as hard because they still had to think of BTS as a group. But thinking back the worst of the shit against Tae started around April-May and that’s around the time they filmed Festa and it was clear they wanted to do solo stuff. And boom we had the smoking pic, the car pic, trying to make him seem rude by ignoring the media when he came back from Paris, and that’s when stuff on twitter also started getting much worse, cause before it was the usual akgae fights, but after there were full on ot6 talking shit about him, and then from august onwards it was a complete chaos of his name being dragged in the media and Hybe not doing anything, and we know they can suppress this shit quick, they did it for JK within one day.

They will do much worse the next time, I need y’all to think about the fact that Hybe has 10+ years of content of these men, they can edit anything to make him look bad. I dunno if anyone remembers akgaes trying to make it seem like Tae pushed that radio employee, well imagine a repeat of that, but coming from his own company. I need people, or at least people who like Tae to stop defending Hybe about absolutely anything, they are vile, and nothing MHJ has done even comes close, not even the shaman thing which turned out to be just her asking “hey, are these men enlisting?”, which I promise you every single CEO was wondering and/or asking around about. Like fuck her, but I need Bang Pd and his entire posee strung up and far away from Tae.

Not to mention the fact that big army accounts simply aren’t using borahae anymore, has anyone else noticed that? Like Joon posted that purple poster and big accounts didn’t even translate that it said borahae, they left that out and used apobangpo. Isn’t that werid to people that these big accounts are all moving in unison to exclude borahae after Hybe failed to trademark it? And the only thing Hybe needs to do is include Tae’s name in the request, like they did for JK’s logo, but they aren’t.

Everyone come around, the TEA is served!

Defending Hybe is the least useful thing people could do right now, because even if Taehyung is the unfortunate one who’s used as a scapegoat, who gives you all the reassurance that they won’t switch to someone else? They think they’re innocent and working hard in the background, but when it comes to defend Tae they take years or just not resolve the whole thing at all. They don’t take articles down, they don’t sue this or that, they let medias speculate and leave up videos on stan twt (Yea, some other members videos were removed). So yes, they’re both certified freaks but Bang Pd will do ANYTHING for money, and that includes throwing bts under the bus. Like he did. Multiple times already.

So much for a “father figure”.

[dearweirdme]

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I think anon, as well as many JK stans, are in denial on how much Scooter actually contributed to JK's album and the fact that maybe that's what JK wanted for his solo album.

What we know, from JK himself/Scooter/Bang/producers is that they made contact with producers to get the songs to have a very commercial pop album for JK and it was promoted accordingly.

He has always been the main focus and the most promoted member on the group and his solo works are a reflex of this. They always had a plan for him and his career and JK always demonstrated to be happy with this plan.

But his stans cant accept the idea that he's not a self promoted artist that didn't write his own songs (like many other artists). It would be better for them if they just accepted that maybe, just maybe, this was what JK wanted, at least at that point. (Although his last release - never let go - has a similar pattern, maybe it's something more stable than a 1 time thing).

Hi anon!

I’m gonna post a bit more on this topic and then probably call it quits… because it’s something I feel I (and fans as a whole) have only a limited understanding of. People get tense really fast when it comes to these things and I feel that amongst maknae line solos especially a little feel that their bias has been wronged in solo era. It’s a good thing that people care so much, but personally I am very aware that I don’t know the in’s and out’s of music business and that at times something might happen that seems odd or wrong to me, but that that’s very well just because of my limited understanding.

From how I’ve seen Jk talk about his album I feel he had some power in making decisions and I feel he was excited about the process. Is it possible they gave his album for Braun to handle.. sure, but I don’t think that automatically means that Jk wasn’t okay with that either.

I think Jk had limited time (I feel strongly that he wanted to reunite with the members next year, so he would have had to enlist when he did). I think Jk working with Braun is probably a bit the same as Tae working with Heejin (which in hindsight is also 😬), they saw it as an opportunity. I think a lot of the things people find odd can be attributed to solo era being a weird time, where things don’t go like we are used to.

[reflections-in-a-critical-eye]

Why are Jk solos talking like Jk is in Britney's situation? Deleting insta was him sending distress signals they say.

Anon, not a day goes by in which I don't get asks in which so called concerned fans are calling Jungkook depressed. They're all licensed therapists after reading whatever bullshit solo stans and shippers are saying on twitter. And then they come to me, being really disrespectful and ignoring the fact that I already made a post about my position on this topic.

Stans are really pulling a Free Jungkook here for no damn reason. And if you really pay attention, it's about them and their feelings because they are projecting. Britney fans wanted her free from an actual horrible situation, but it turns out it had to be on their terms only. The woman is not allowed to live her life now as she wants, she has to be active on social media, otherwise it turns into a conspiracy theory. So, how much they care about her?

Something similar is with Jungkook now, although there is no reason for concern, as opposed to how Britney's situation was in the past. Fans need to be constantly entertained and being fed with content and it seems they simply can't accept that Jungkook is a free man, not controlled by the company. And they hate that because it destroys their purpose. How can they trend hashtags about saving Jungkook or freeing him from BH because he doesn't have any projects or he can't live his gay life with his buddy Tae? So they come up with the depression narrative. It doesn't mean someone can't suffer from that, but reaching that conclusion after he did some karaoke, had a few drinks and ate his dinner during a livestream? All things he's done in the past, the only difference was that he had group activities.

They don't want him to have a normal life. He must be suffering because he's not connected to the members all the time, because they are enlisting, as if he's not his own person and he doesn't have other people in his social circle apart from the band. Let alone the fact that none of us know what the man is up to and having the illusion that we know based on a tiny fraction of his daily life shared a few times online in February and deleting an IG account is ludicrous.

[mybiasisexo]

Hi! Hope u had a great day!

Can I just vent for a sec? If u don’t mind?

Okay here it goes… I rly need solo stans to shut. the. fuck. up. Like rly I do. As we know, Baek had his concert (which looked fantastic btw! I’m so proud of him!) and ofc, some of members came to show their support (im sure if Sehun and Jongin weren’t enlisted/busy they’d be there. Same goes for Yixing). However some miserable people wanted to use this ammunition or proof (whatever the fuck they want to call it) that the members don’t like each other, completely over analyzing their actions/words. Tbh, it’s mainly Kyungsoo and Baekhyun stans I see this from. Tho some other solo fandoms have been yapping about too. For some reason, they’ve gotten brave since Ksoo and CBX left sm (ofc I’m happy that they’re out of the shithole that’s sm). Like it’s 20-fucking-24! And yall still don’t believe that they like each other yet? Seriously? They’ve been together for nearly 15 years at this point. And they are FUCKING GROWN ASS ADULTS! If they didn’t like each other or want to be around each other, then they wouldn’t interact at all outside of work. Yet, how many times do we hear stories of ppl running into them while they’re on LITERAL “DATES” WITH EACH OTHER. Stop treating them like they’re in high school ffs! Every time any member is asked about exo during solo activities, they always say how they’re lucky to have them and that they’re family/brothers/lifelong friends.

If you don’t like the group or certain members, fine. That’s how you feel. I can’t change that. But you need to shut your damn mouths and show some respect! As the saying goes: if you have nothing nice to say, then don’t say anything at all. Just remember, any of them members would burn you all alive to keep the others warm. Without a second’s hesitation.

Sorry, damn, I rly needed to get this off my chest. Thanks for listening to my rant lol. 😂

Damn. Yknow I’ve been lucky enough to miss this discourse and I’m glad cause solo stans make me sad bro 😔. I truly can’t understand the concept when it comes to exo. They are one god dammit!!!!

But yeah you’re spitting nothing but facts! Exo have proven years ago that they are more than just coworkers and it’s such a tired argument. If they really didn’t care for each other they would disband. They’re literally staying with sm to remain together like ??? If that don’t prove their loyalty idk what does.

Solo stans can gag bro cause exo ain’t going anywhere and they love each other lmfaoooo like huh???

[pffffftttttttt]

I’m annoyed so excuse this rant about toxic k-pop fandoms and apologies in advance for my rambling:

I’m so sick of solo stans and delusional fans. You ruin the fandom. (And I don’t mean people who support their bias)

Two recent examples completely prove my point about fans needed to grow the fuck up:

1. Bang Chan saying he can’t do Chan’s Room anymore. We don’t know if the company canceled it. Maybe they did and it would be fans fault. He made one passing comment about younger groups not doing proper greetings and fans started analyzing every interaction he’s had with other idols. Then you made up your own narratives and starting calling out other fandoms and groups. How do you think antis and other fandoms got involved? Because you started a fucking fire with no proof. I’d venture to say he needs protecting from fans delusional narratives more than he needs it from antis.

Or maybe when he said he can’t do it anymore it’s because he’s busy. Two comebacks in one year? With him at least touching every track? A tour? A rise in popularity that has lead to brand deals and interviews and festivals? He’s got to be physically, mentally, and emotionally exhausted. Every week he’s in a different country. Give the man a fucking break to breathe. I understand you love Chan’s Room, I did too, but he’s human and as much as you love that connection, we don’t actually know him or what he’s going through.

2. The BTS header being changed from V’s album to JK’s single. This one blows my mind. Solo stans seem to think the company is out to get V? Like they have a personal vendetta against him. Stupid. You think they’re under the company’s thumb and have no control over their lives/music?

First of all, do you think the other boys would stand for that? You think that RM, who had the power to shut down the company’s idea to get involved in NFTs, would stand for that kind of treatment towards one of his members? And it is a business as much as you hate it. Those boys have to be major shareholders/stockholders in that company. They aren’t going to fucking leave. BTS brings in money, so the company makes money, so BTS makes MORE money off of stocks/shares. The company isn’t going to alienate their star money makers.

Second, they’re on the fucking clock. Time is ticking until all these boys have to enlist so they don’t necessarily have the luxury to spread the releases out. They’re jamming in as much as they can, while they can. It would be nice if V got more time before the next member releases something sure, but V even admitted to scrapping the whole album and starting over. It’s not like it’s been sitting around ready waiting for release and the company said “fuck you we’re going to hold off and only release it during the end of the year rush.”

These idols show an insane amount of their lives to us but you seem to forget that you don’t actually fucking know them. Of course they adore their fans, but your insane need to over involve yourself like you know what they’re thinking just creates a toxic environment for other fans and for the idols themselves.

Get over yourselves.

[beautifulpersonpeach]

i saw rose from bp trying to look for a new fandom name now that she’s going solo. what do you think of that? anyway i can’t see bts doing the same thing.

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Some weeks ago someone sent me an ask talking about how, now that the fandom has imploded, BTS will become like Blackpink. And I replied saying BTS and Blackpink are very different groups and have never operated the same way. So, while Rose could casually ask her (solo) fans for a new fandom name, and while BTS solo stans would cream themselves at the thought of the same happening with BTS members, I’d wager good money that there are higher chances of BTS pulling a Will Smith than giving their fans any other name but ARMY.

They know solo stans exist and still largely choose to recognize the fandom as one entity. That’s on purpose. And I think for a few reasons. One reason is because while they know they have solo ambitions and could gain fans only interested in their solo work, for the BTS members themselves the group always comes first. Recall how PJMs had a crisis when Jimin re-signed with BTS last year, many of them questioning his sanity and threatening to unstan; or how JJKs had a fucking fit when Jungkook enlisted 5 years earlier than necessary and with Jimin of all people. For BTS, the group always comes first, and so the machine that supports the group as a whole is what they have so far overwhelmingly recognized, even in Chapter 2.

It’s one reason why I say there are some groups where it kinda sorta makes sense to be an akgae, but to be one for BTS you need to be either mentally ill such that you’re predisposed to being miserable, very emotionally impulsive, or just not that intelligent. In my opinion. Because there are 2nd and 3rd order consequences with choosing that option for a group like BTS, more than with any other group. Fandom implosion or not.

And I reckon this is going on be the status quo with BTS for at least the next 10 years.

[sageistri]

The biggest problem has always been time. I always thought that was the real reason for Face not having more mvs, and not budget like some people said.

To be fully honest, this 'solo era' has been very rushed. And that's not surprising considering it's 7 people having to all release as much as they can before the enlistment and then the group's comeback. This was the chance they all had to be soloists, and there wasn't a lot of time. I mean, Jimin started making Face before the hiatus was even annouced and he still didn't have enough time.

I'm afraid we'll only get to see Jimin be able to do everything he wants after the group slows down, which should be a year or two after they come back.

It's a touchy subject to armys and I imagine to the members as well, but the truth is that being in a group is very limiting to one's individual career. Look at how many new things we've seen from Jimin since the hiatus, things we've never been able to fully see before. And that's because he's only just started to properly have a solo carrer, imagine how much more we'll get to see when the group inevitably disbands (even if not officially, but for all intents and purposes). And I know it will be sad for all of them, change always is. But nothing lasts forever, and a decade is more than a lot of other groups have.

It's all pros and cons. There's pros to being in the group, yes, but there's also cons. And the same is true to being a soloist, but I think eventually the pros of going solo are gonna outweight the cons, while the inverse will happen when it comes to what is, essentially, being just one seventh of a whole.

In the sense that hybe felt it would take too much time? It could be because he was obviously being rushed to wrap up with his album preparations so yg could debut in time for his tour. It could be a mix of budget and time. And it could also be that they didn't want him to have it, it could be anything really.

Also I see armys laugh at people who question bts' frequent solo releases and say it's because "BTS loves them" when it's just because the members have to put out all these music before their reunion.

Some stans said they wanted jimin to release this album after he's discharged for proper promo forgetting he most likely will not be able to until a year or two after the reunion. If a solo album in 2025 was guaranteed, Jimin would have waited and none of the others would have bothered to prepare anything. The most we would get is features.

[wegonbealright-09]

ur very much a hater lmao 😭. and last anon was right, yoongi was the one who said the bb hot 100 thing, jk has neverrr said anything about his goals on that chart, even as a group, only celebrated their success after the fact, so not sure where you're getting this "sudden obsession" from. as a matter of fact, jimin has talked more ab his goals for bb than him. and he should ! theres nothing wrong with explicitly stating your goals especially when you make fire ass music that deserves to be number one, its called manifestation and putting their wants into the world. your issue is that you see the 10% of the member's lives that they choose to show us and come up with these narratives to feed your own delusions about how you feel about them and their personalities. bitter ab yoongi going on tour like it has anything to do with his enlistment ? HUH 😭😭? 2+2= fish in your head too ig. and you saying joon being bitter bc he wants to be acknowledged for the work he does... ??? see im typing this out and its just not making sense. he's always done that before they even got instagram, AS HE SHOULD because it's HIS work and if he wants to make a post ab writing some lyrics then he can and you saying he's bitter for doing that is extremely odd. as for tae, be fucking fr lol. u sound like the type to get mad if a member didnt make a happy birthday post like they dont have each others literal phone numbers and addresses. and tae did support jimin's solo songs multiple times on weverse, but you ignore that bc it doesnt fit your narrative. get out your mind, take a walk outside, and come to the realization that you dont know these people and making up these negative narratives ab their personalities is oddball behaviour to say the least. and lastly, joon and suga have nothing to be bitter about. theyre part of the biggest group in the world. their albums are critically acclaimed. this second chapter of bts has brought out the worst in people like you because you constantly try to make it a competition between the members, and theyre not letting you do that bc they actually support each other and congratulate each other in their accomplishments, whether they post it online for fans to see or not. at the end of the day bts trumps all, which is what all 7 members have said and have been saying🤷🏾‍♀️and people like you are just gonna have to suck it up or unstan bc the negativity and d! ck measuring contests are not it and goes against anything bts have ever said about each other.

Anon I should let you write my history essays you know, :⁠-⁠)

Me a hater? Excuse me?

You anon you are the type that goes to posts about jimin stans and qrt " jimin would hate y'all, he's die for his members and put you on fire" every time they trust to address the injustice but okay.

Jk has talked about the billboard he's not even manifesting he knows it it'll lend on his lap because scooter has made sure if that. That man doesn't even shit about his upcoming album he doesn't know shit he's just going to accept it and move on like he did with seven. And lmfao. I'm not obsessed with jk, I've had this blog for such a long time but i didn't post anything I only followed people and interacted in post you can click to see which posts I've liked and who do I follow. But anon I got tired of everyone here acting ignorant like they don't see what's going on, like " yhea we've got some jikook crumbs let's not address the payola and fraud that is going on". I'm not obsessed far from it, this dude lately just pops up in feed and annoys the fuvk out of me, something he's never did before. And also jk is chart obsessed lately even some of his fans can see you don't fine by me.

Jimin never talked about his BB goals like what do you mean. That man wanted to release face as a free album on sound cloud because he felt like this is his story and he wants fans, and everyone to be able to hear it and relate and see the world from his point of view, so you tell me anon you tell me. Jimin didn't even think that like crazy was going to number on he was impressed with how well smf pt2 did because guess what he didn't expect that as well. So idk what you tryna say anon.

I agree I don't know what's going on with their lives. I didn't say I'm telling the truth here or some like that my posts are based on my opinions and observations. If me not agreeing with what most of y'all think is being called delusional girl I've been delulu i still think jimin is going to release and album with Bruno Mars as a featured artist or him and Bruno are going to pay homage to MJ someday so yhea I am delulu.

Birthdays are no big deals I myself I don't celebrate my own birthday and just like jimin I give zero fucks about my birthday. Okay anon I admit I was wrong it's okay for ones best friend to not congratulate him on social media platforms when he had just did the impossible and made history and decides to do so privately only when it comes to them, it's totally okay.

I'm not even going to talk about yoongi and Joon because this I've said what I've said. I'm not backtracking you can go throw yourself off a cliff idc

I thought you said everyone's entitled to their own opinion but now that I'm expressing mine I must touch some grass and take a walk. How about you snap back to reality huh? As I've said if when you see BTS you see rainbows sunshine's and clouds that's okay but I don't and I'm not tryna force my opinions on people I'm just saying what I think and feel and I might be wrong idc it's just how I feel.

Anon I'm not laughing I swear. You know I'm not a hater I've said that in the second chapter there's been a shift in the group's energy and I'm standing on that. Your last sentences wooo anon you're the one to say what I'm doing goes against what bts have said to each other. So is what's jk is going with the fraud and payola but I don't see you ranting and calling him out, he's going against everything that BTS has ever believed in, the legacy they've created, the image they've built. For what? A few records that some western artist is going to break again with more payola than him. If you look as scooters old interviews about Gangnam Style and all. Jk is just a puppet to his show, he hates jimin more than he's ever did because he has a break through in the western market as soloist without his help, he sis what he could do with Gangnam even after all that promotion on his own with little to no promotion

But hey this is just my opinion I don't want to sound" obsessed" so this is the last time I'm talking about jk.

Anon neither you know what's going on behind closed doors but if you like to act ignorant fine by me my opinion and yours are different anyway thank you for visiting my blog and having the nerve to tell me to touch some grass on my own blog smh