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[lumpyorganelle]

Alpha quadra socionics

Alpha, or the 'first' quadra, includes ILE, SEI, ESE, and LII. Reinin characterizes this quadra as Judicious, Merry, and Democratic.

Valued/dominant information elements:

Ne, Ti, Fe, Si

Subdued/unvalued information elements:

Se, Ni, Te, Fi

Outlook on life/keywords:

light-heartedness, down-to-earth, to have a good time and fun, avoidance of pain and taking things too literally/seriously, not overly competitive or ambitious, goofy, warm, sociable, child-like, curiosity, intellectual banter/tangents, exchange of abstract ideas, judgement-free, merriness, enthusiasm, freedom of speech, democratic, entertainment, community, less inclined to making long-term commitment, present-oriented

values:

sensory and mental comfort, peace, simplicity, family, relaxation over force, avoidance of conflict, high-pressure, (Si > Se)

possibilities, subjectivity, openness to new, abstract and unusual ideas, 'what if this happens? what if this is possible?' etc, multiple viewpoints rather than one definite one (Ne > Ni)

exchange of theoretical ideas for fun/intellectual stimulation rather than the practical merit/appliance (Ti > Te)

warm emotionally charged/comfortable/cozy atmospheres, mood/vibe, community/collectivist oriented, absence of dogmatic judgements/harsh opinions and emphasis on psychological closeness (lack of in-group/out-groups bias; openness to everyone) (Fe > Fi)

fantasy setting analogy (u/G-G_Sensei ., A take on quadras as types of narration (2023) r/socionics):

adventure novel set in some kind of golden age of great exploration. Lots of focus on vastness and stimulation of new-found worlds, detailed descriptions of luscious nature, geeky science in linnean fashion, group environments ("western"-like society, ship personnel, tribes on remote islands, etc)

Negatives/cons:

other types (especially those that value Fi or Te) may view this quadra as superficial, obnoxious and obtrusive. May find them irritating because they are unable to be serious and may be dismissive, detached or insensitive.

memes:

by u/kingofdictionopolis:

By u/Allieloopdeloop:

References:

https://www.personalitycafe.com/threads/reflections-on-alpha-quadra-descriptions.221258/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Socionics/comments/1abh2nj/summary_of_quadra_attitudes/

https://socionics.world/socionics-quadra/1/Alpha

[hollywood-fashion]

Greta Lee in LII at the 39th Independent Spirit Awards in Santa Monica, CA on February 25, 2024.

[phlve]

Sociotype Profiles — LII

Ego

Leading Ti

The LII naturally assesses statements, opinions, and actions in terms of conformance to certain principles. These principles may in practice be rules of thumb based on experience, but LIIs will usually appeal to more general, self-evident reasons, if the need arises. The LII is most engaged in communication when they are critically analyzing people's decisions and actions as well as how they generally are or are not consistent with certain pre-established goals. their dual, the ESE, likes hearing the LII's judgment, and simultaneously softens its edge by shifting their focus to how they are communicating their ideas, letting them see the intellectual thought process from the outside. The ESE appreciates and praises their ability to take the information seriously, but the ESE will find funny ways of reminding the LII of how they are coming across when they seem more serious than they realize.

"Just because" is not in an LII's vocabulary. If there is a reason for something, the LII will probably want to find it. The LII strives to reduce things to their most essential aspects, and mentally recreate the whole from the bottom up. The LII's theoretical tendencies can often leave him out of touch with reality, and if unchecked may lead to abstract theories that make logical sense but have little bearing on the real world.

The LII may explore many avenues of thought, but in the end only tell others his refined conclusions, because he sees the intermediate steps as irrelevant. He is often too concise for his own good, making it difficult for others to understand his ideas.

Creative Ne

The LII often applies Ti in an academic field such as mathematics, one which allows for abstract speculation to be realized in concrete conclusions. The LII does not much care for implementation or hands-on work, requiring some degree of independence from material demands in order to develop his own ideas. If the LII feels made to do a task he perceives as boring, he will try to find an original way to do it, if simply for the sake of developing an interesting idea. The LII can think on his feet, and is able to consider multiple viewpoints, although if he feels that he has fully analyzed an idea in the past, he may dismiss it out of hand with Ti.

The LII is always in tune with the "big picture", looking at things from the most general perspective possible. Given this frame of reference, he sees many ways ordinary life could be changed to meet his vision of how things should be. Thus the LII is often seen by other more practically-minded types as naively idealistic.

The LII does not come up with ideas simply for their own sake, but tries to relate everything back to "the main point". He quickly becomes impatient or disinterested with discussion that is simply meant to generate ideas, instead of realizing them.

Super-Ego

Role Fi

The LII is acutely aware of social conventions, such as saying "please" and "thank you", and expends much effort to conform to these rules to maintain the status of a "polite" person. But he tends to overdo the conventions themselves, as opposed to the relationships they are supposed to establish, and so ends up stepping on other people's toes (violating some less easily definable convention which he would never really want to conform to anyways). He prefers an easy-going environment where such conventions don't exist in the first place. When in a heated argument, an LII can alienate others by his natural tendency to hold and defend strong opinions (Ti).

If asked to express a unique, personal sentiment, such as a favorite color or football team, the LII may find difficulty choosing if there is no "obvious" answer. He often feels like he has no real personal, subjective feelings at all, and usually has to make a conscious decision where other types could easily supply an instinctive reaction.

The LII also is very sensitive about how other people see him, feeling depressed if he has affections that are not returned. For this reason, he tends to avoid expressing signals that show interest in certain people (as opposed to signals about his general mood and demeanor, which he feels to be much more natural), but of course it just aggravates his loneliness, instead of relieving it.

Vulnerable Se

The LII hates being ordered what to do, and chafes especially under orders that don't make sense to him. In such cases the LII is likely to criticize the authority — but if he does he is not subtle about it, and usually ends up being marked as a "rebel" and feeling even more frustrated than he did to begin with. An LII works best alone, so that he doesn't have to subordinate (to) others — or constantly negotiate his priorities, which strains his patience and diverts his time and attention away from reworking his understanding; if he is forced to waste time defending what he already knows, he gives up the freedom to deepen his understanding further. He does not tolerate pushiness combined with close-mindedness.

The LII does not like being simply told "get real" or "get off your duff", which he views as crude, intrusive, and insulting. He prefers to be left alone - or better, included in an atmosphere of open discussion that is receptive to his thoughts and thereby inspire him to develop them more.

If the LII has a problem that cannot be solved intellectually, but requires direct personal confrontation, he may resort to total avoidance rather than approaching the person directly, which he tends to think will produce only frustration and contempt. The LII thinks that, in an ideal world, everyone would just listen to reason instead of insisting on having their own way.

Super-Id

Suggestive Fe

Being a naturally private person, the LII finds it difficult to believe that others would be interested in what he is thinking or feeling at any given moment. He feels like something is not quite right if his interaction with the people around him is too aloof. However he only rarely makes an effort to venture into more open spheres, because he usually avoids making small talk, preferring to talk about his real interests and say only what he truly believes.

To this end, the LII, above all things, appreciates others' attempts to get him to "open up" emotionally and express his true thoughts and views of the world - not just as an abstract ideal living in his head, but as something that other people actually care about enough to participate in and bring to fulfillment. His focus on important abstract matters also leads him to detach from the world, if it is not complemented with a healthy dose of silliness. The LII is usually oblivious to his emotional-psychological state and feels little responsibility for improving it, not to mention the state of others. This means that "bad emotions" can build up in him until some environmental factor comes along to alleviate them. Visible demonstrations of emotional warmth play a major part in this: something as simple as a big smile and a hug is enough to brighten an LII's day. The LII can be attracted to insincere displays of affection, even if he consciously realizes that they are only in jest.

The LII is often at a loss for what to do in social situations, and appreciates others who make him feel included in a new group and in the emotional side of a situation. The LII tends to take life very seriously, and appreciates others who can show him the lighter side of things.

Mobilizing Si

The LII has poor control over his physical well-being, neglecting matters of simple hygiene relatively easily. He dislikes having to take care of mundane details of work, but simultaneously derives pleasure from aesthetic neatness and organization.

The LII is easily annoyed by sensory over-stimulation, including loud noises, bright light, and temperature. On the other hand, he easily becomes "addicted" to more pleasurable things, such as music, which have a corresponding effect on his mood (Fe). When left to his own devices, the LII tends to oscillate unhealthily between total indulgence of the senses and total neglect (the latter especially when working on something he feels to be extremely important). He tends to feel guilty for indulging in hedonism for the sake of hedonism.

On the surface the LII can seem easygoing, but in work projects or at home his critical nature will become more obvious.

Id

Ignoring Te

The LII is an efficient worker, and seeks out new tools, resources, or methods as long as they are directly relevant to his work or interests. He is not likely to keep especially careful track of his finances, avoiding this by keeping his needs simple and constant.

The LII can easily understand whether something is impractical or not, but prefers to explain why using structural principles. He dislikes rote memorization of dates and the like, but paradoxically will often have a mental store of many arcane pieces of information (such as the first 100 digits of pi) he finds interesting or equally absurd technical skills (like mastering a video game). Such skills and information will either be a part of his leisure activities, or relate directly to his main interests, which he chooses not based on their immediate practical consequence, but on how interesting they are.

The LII only exchanges such information in conversation for entertainment, and criticizes overly bland or rambling analyses, especially if he feels they have no point.

Demonstrative Ni

The LII is a naturally cautious person, and never acts without considering the consequences in detail. This tendency sometimes prevents him from acting decisively—or at all. However, he tries not to be overly pessimistic about the consequences of others' actions, and only offers direct advice in this area if it is specifically requested. If something bad happens he is usually willing to forgive and move on without placing blame, re-establishing the course as subtly and smoothly as possible. While he tends to have very specific ideas about his general life principles and goals, he is basically indifferent as to their specific timeframe and implementation.

The LII has an active imagination, but it tends to fade in and out and its products are rarely verbalized. He hardly ever says purposely cryptic or idiosyncratic things, and criticizes others for employing overly obscure concepts.

Source: Wikisocion

[stylestream]

Greta Lee | LII Spring 2024 dress | Film Independent Spirit Awards | 2024

[windudemon]

blindspot: a weakness but also a strength?

as an entp i debate impactfully (se demon), i start calling people names etc. not proud or anything but it happens. so... i noticed this one thing: intps/liis are just not affected by my shenanigans and they ignore my hysterics and they keep calm and keep going.

so can we maybe then say... something you can so easily dismiss, is also a strenght?

something like this = here is banana you shitty gorilla, you screamo, now do you have an actual answer for my argument or not?

ok they wouldn't say shitty and they also wouldn't call you screamo but you get the point.

NOW! I KNOW! this won't apply to infp at all even though also se blindspot. infp would hate it if you call em names and impact them.

so my lii/intp observation here is not only se blindspot but also the fe inferior. double weakness turning into strength. BUUUUT! what would be the infp version of this then? you know, se blindspot + te inferior can generate a strength too?

so maybe they can do surprisingly well in a harsh te environment? as long as it's not personal, as long as te orders are shouted at a room they are in, not to them directly? they maybe wouldn't take things personally at work and ignore overly commanding people andddd maybe evennnn that would make those shot-callers like the infp? they would maybe feel like you are a little baby infp but you are much more of a professional than these people and you come in time and you don't whine and you always do your part consistently?

AND THEN, OVER TIME, the boss realizes infp is not moved in a positive or negative way by him? so he leaves him alone? he respects him even? he trusts him even? this infp is a responsible person and will do his part?

so in short, for infp te + se weakness turns into following strenghts: resilience, professionalism, reliability, understanding. not fighting against hierarchy but accepting it as reality.

straight up delta quadra qualities so i must be right.

also the "mutable" pisces in astrology. not fixed, not cardinal so won't clash with teh hierarchy. going with the flow and all tao things.

[draculagerard]

Do you have any cd recommendations for me to buy for my car?

BULLETS. it's the best album to listen to in the car ngl. also if youre into Queen, A Day at the Races is also another road trip favorite album for me :3

[itypeyou]

Day after birthday... INFp : "You're not a very fun person to give gifts to." INTj: "I was under no illusion that my emotions were adequate."

Leading introverted thinking (LII) searches for just the right word to achieve verbal accuracy in a statement. Ignoring extroverted feeling is repressed with a devil-may-care attitude.

[serena-fiore]

Tua camiseta tem seu cheiro

Mas é o cheiro do perfume antigo

Eu vesti ela pra dormir hoje

Mas não consegui

Mas como diz a música que a Fresno lançou no dia do meu aniversário, que você nem lembrou

Você me salva e me faz mal

Me dá coragem, me dá medo

Se eu não voltar, você vai se arrepender de não ter dito?

Três últimas coisas

[el-eco-de-mis-letras03]

Miradas de verano.

[words-and-coffee]

I hear only your voice and your voice rises with the flight and precision of an arrow, your voice comes down with the gravity of rain, your voice scatters highest swords, your voice returns laden with violets and then it accompanies me through the sky.

Pablo Neruda, 100 Love Sonnets: LII

[mythic-anorak]

Derp Lii

It's me! I'm back again! Here, have a lil derpy Lii in HD!

Expect more frequent art coming up soon!

[dooreater]

LII

SILLY CHARACTER OF MINE

[phlve]

Socionics Quadras — Alpha

Alpha, or the ‘first’ quadra, includes ILE, SEI, ESE, and LII. Dominant IM elements of Alpha quadra: Ne, Si, Fe, Ti.

Reinin characterizes this quadra as Judicious, Merry, and Democratic.

Dominant elements

The dominant IM elements of the Alpha Quadra are Ne, Ti, Fe, Si. Grouping together the elements of the Ego blocks of the Alpha Quadra types, we get a picture of what aspects of life Alpha Quadra types strive to bring to the forefront of life, as well as the kind of group atmosphere and lifestyle they pursue.

Ne blocked with Ti:

Alpha types are inclined to discuss highly theoretical concepts as a source of intellectual stimulation and fun rather than for their practical merits.

Alpha types tend to value logically consistent beliefs and ideas, and behavior that is consistent with personal values.

Alpha types typically follow through on their ideas in the form of group activity.

Fe blocked with Si:

Alpha types tend to enjoy participating in groups where there is free exchange of positive emotional expression in an atmosphere pleasing to the senses.

Alpha types are inclined to discuss stories told in detail and according to the sequence in which events happened, rather than “jump to the point” quickly.

Alpha types are inclined to show affection for others in the form of small practical services or gifts.

Alpha types tend to feel energized in the positive atmosphere of special events, such as public holidays, parties and special celebrations.

Subdued elements

The subdued IM elements of the Alpha Quadra are Se, Ni, Te, Fi. Grouping together the elements of the Super-Ego blocks of the Alpha Quadra types, we get a picture of what aspects of life Alpha types strive to keep hidden, avoid, not focus attention on, and keep at the periphery of their lives.

Se blocked with Fi:

Alpha types prefer to avoid the discussion of controversial and unpleasant subjects regarding personal relationships while in groups, especially if leading to confrontations.

Alpha types are inclined to be tolerating of minor past misdeeds by others, giving priority to reconciliation and a convivial atmosphere.

Ni blocked with Te:

Alpha types are less likely to make investments that require long-term commitment and upkeep. They prefer short-term investments that offer a reliable outcome with minimal involvement.

Alpha types avoid taking direct life advice, preferring to experience and learn for themselves. They perceive people who try to give such advice as pedantic.

Group behavior

Inclination for comfortable and pleasant group atmosphere, in the emotional, sensorial, and intellectual aspects. An ideal Alpha group situation is the exchange of light-hearted jokes while discussing imaginative ideas, movies, or sometimes sports, all while enjoying pleasant food and drink. Narrating personal experiences usually takes the form of telling a joke; funny personal experiences are preferred over “serious” ones. The exchange of sober concrete details are avoided. If the group is playing a game together, the fun and jokes that go along with it are at least as important as the game itself. They avoid generating “heavy” moments; any dramatic expressions are limited in time, most often in service of a joke. Alphas are also perhaps the most likely types to participate in group use of mind-altering substances.

Alpha discussions tend to go off on tangents, in whatever direction seems most interesting or funny at the moment. Unusual personal observations are common, resulting from the analysis of the idiosyncrasies or inconsistencies of everyday life. If many in the group share the same observations, they are likely to express their agreement emphatically, so as to create a kind of “mental harmony” which enhances the group dynamic. If a new problem is encountered, it is expanded and developed in as many ways as possible, until some kind of satisfactory conclusion is reached.

Alphas make no distinction between “insiders” and “outsiders”, easily drawing people into a conversation once it has begun, though they tend to just as easily withdraw if the person is not receptive. Likewise, they prefer to have the same behavior at work as at play; they find formal speech and dress to be pretentious, unnecessarily limiting, and even ridiculous. Alphas dislike the idea that there is something going on “behind the scenes”, preferring to keep things (especially personal motivations) as open and straightforward as possible.

Romance styles

Romantic relationships usually evolve from sharing activities and interests for fun in a two-person version of the group behavior description above. Priority is given to keeping the partner happy in the sense of a good mood and amused on a daily basis, with avoidance of direct accusations or unnecessarily harsh criticism; relationships are seen as a source of day-to-day fun and happiness. Focus on remembering dates of particular significance and celebrating them. Playful interactions are based around light teasing and making the partner laugh; intimate atmospheres are based on generating a comfortable, welcoming, cozy atmosphere.

Perception of other quadras

Beta

Alphas tend to regard Beta types as “cool” and “fun”, but also as bossy, boorish and coarse. In social situations, Alphas often resign the lead to Betas because Betas generally exert a ‘vibe’ of control over such situations. When positive emotions are expressed between members of these quadras, they get along quite well; however, Betas’ negative emotions are often perceived by Alphas as tiresome. Alphas often joke light-heartedly in attempt to improve Betas’ moods, or to gently ridicule them.

Gamma

Alphas tend to regard Gamma types warily, as stand-offish and emotionally cold or even hostile, especially in work situations, as well as inclined to play favorites with those they know better, or are attracted to (for whatever reason, be it sexually or for power and gain.) Alphas tend to see Gamma types as too harsh in their words and unimaginative, lacking future perspective, and even disingenuous, as well as having a mean streak of unforgivingness and vindictiveness.

Delta

Alphas tend to regard Delta types as kindly and creative, but also as pragmatic and serious. When Deltas give Alphas advice, Alphas often perceive it as well-intentioned but too simplistic and direct. Alphas often respect Deltas’ principles, opinions, and caring attitudes; however, they tend to perceive them as, at best, admirable and at worst, demanding, rather than fun.

Source: Wikisocion

[windudemon]

mixtape for intps

[rooneyredcarpet]

Greta Lee in LII at the Film Independent Spirit Awards (2024)