#ladymelisande

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somehow I missed this post but let's get into it now. this is only a small part of a larger post made by all the white fandom ppl.

this theory they all have and keep repeating is racist af. it's even worse because these aren't white ppl saying this.

these ppl need to protect the white character so much that they're weaponizing their races (even the black ppl) to be antiblack af. they're taking gigantic steps over acknowledging the v simple fact that everything lestat does makes sense when ur able to recognize racial differences *as the show wants u to do.* it's not bad writing, it's not "gringo writers." it's moving the characters through a world without being anne rice stupid about it. also louis was *not* the aggressor in the book and the story is *always* about *both* of them escaping from lestat. it's about parenthood in the ways that frankenstein is about parenthood. it's not just about how louis fails claudia, it's how lestat failed louis, how lestat failed claudia, how they all constantly fail *each other.* and the show is giving us that too! fucking idiots! I thought u were big readers, u can't see this?! how fucking sad!!

u can tell this story of lestat being abusive as a white man to his black partner (and black child) and have it be true just fine. this happens irl all the fucking time. if it was rly that fucked up, there'd be no black ppl in the fandom. this group is so fucking antiblack, they not only shove the characters aside to center the white guy and excuse his abuse six different ways, they bully black fans and make sure nobody gets to hear any black opinions that aren't those voices who only center and protect whiteness.

anyways, lestat can do all of this and still come back around to healing with louis. it's only "bad writing" to ppl who have never emotionally matured. which would be everyone who has to go this hard defending white ppl instead of just saying this is all happening because this was racially conscious casting. this story is focused on race. these are real issues in interracial relationships, even now. it's patriarchy. it's slavery. it's blurring lines on purpose. It's not "some cheap Lifetime movie plot" u ignorant fucking bitch.

let me get to my other point tho. they want u to ignore race, they want u to think it's bad writing, they want u to think *they're* the smart, book educated ppl. they repeat their own fanon in a group to manipulate u to thinking it's "the smartest" decision by "smart" ppl. it's just a bunch of antiblack bullshit.

lestat having done this fr and louis having to come to terms with that is real. that is prbly what the show is going to hit hard on. that lestat did that and claudia got the most fucked by it because louis was still unable to leave him. and u can still create healing from that with loustat because, as this group loves to remind us, they're *vampires* and they have literally *forever* to fix their shit.

these book ppl want us to rush through twenty books just to stop criticizing white lestat and making them feel bad about liking him. there's no reason to be rushing the books in part two of fucking *IWTV.* they are so STUPID. and they want us to be too. but sorry, we're not all fucking buying it.

louis *has* to attempt suicide because he becomes aware that claudia manipulated him into killing lestat because of her own pain at being forced into vampiric existence by both of them? so all of the manipulation and violence and lying liars is only aimed at black ppl then? lestat is gonna walk away taking accountability for nothing, being the victim of a bunch of black liars, and u think that's the better version? u think that's rly gonna happen?

I need u to understand how fucking deeply racist all of this shit goes. it is evil levels of it. it is planned levels of it. this group is so fucked in the head and they need u to buy into it so badly so they can feel rly smart and get one over on black fans.

u need to know this is fucking garbage. it's not deep, it's not insightful, it's just antiblack shit from the same fucking group who is always bringing u antiblack shit dressed up in ways they think they're being slick about. I need these ppl to choke and cry and throw up when this shit does not happen in the show, because it is v much not going to.

fuck every single goddamn one of u.

[itsmeimcathy]

make yourself using this picrew!

tagged by @ravenclairee thanks sis <3

tagging @klaus-goldstein, @ladymelisande, @cyborg-cinderella, @austennerdita2533 and anyone who wants to do it ✨

[alethiaii]

Honestly your takes are god tier and I was curious if you had recs or bookmarks so I can find some sane fanfic on AO3.

I assume you mean my takes on HOTD though I wouldn't really call them god tier, rather I have two normal brain cells and some common sense.

As for bookmarks, I have exactly five private ones, none of them are related to ASoIaF fanfiction. On the recs side, the only ones I can honestly give are: Her Grace, Rhaenyra Targaryen by @ladymelisande (who is going to give me a proper yell for putting her fic series on a spot again XD), The Bitter Spring (both Peggy Sue, well done fics) and Daemon the Dreamer (an interesting one to be sure and I quite like it).

For more, I'd say look at r/TheCitadel and r/AsoiafFanfiction, I believe they have lists for various fic recs based on eras, ships and so on. The latter should even contain a link to a sizeable enough discord that has a whole channel for fic recs.

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does anyone know where deviantvamp and lady melisande went?

deviantvamp deactivated that side blog p much instantly, after being obsessed with hating me fsr. lady is focusing on fanfiction ig. good riddance to both tbh. sometimes the shitty ppl leave!!!

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rules: search ‘your name + core’ on pinterest and post the first six photos

[idea stolen from @ravenclairee bcs it's cute and i was bored lol]

tagging: @klaus-goldstein, @ladymelisande, @arrenemris <333

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what kind of life do u have where ur an adult who hate watches something and posts in the tags nonstop about it. like what kind of spoiled child nonsense is this.

and yes I already know she isn't "white" and no where she lives is no excuse for doing this, she could literally still shut up. why u ppl find it so easy to excuse antiblackness instead of saying "wow that's fucked up!" continues to prove why white fandom prevails in these spaces. u simply don't care.

[stromuprisahat]

theweeklydiscourse:

I’d love to imagine another reality where Baghra isn’t a narcissistic and emotionally abusive mother who uses her codependent relationship with her son as a bargaining chip, but here we are. Like you said, she created Aleksander with the express purpose of bringing another immortal into the world to suffer as she suffers and to hate as she hates. Only it didn’t work and Aleksander became his own person and fight for others instead of festering in misery for centuries on end On some level though, I find that there’s something truly compelling about Baghra sacrificing herself as opposed to committing suicide as an means to harm her son one last time. I think in order for that to happen, the plot would have to take a wildly different direction and shift the foundations of Baghra’s character to make it harmonious. Maybe if she expressed regret for the ways her cynicism harmed him or began to understand why he wanted to liberate Grisha and underwent a character arc…yeah

ladymelisande:

I don't understand why people want that creep that parentified her own kid and had seriously questionable incest vibes around him to be suddenly good. If she was a guy, everyone would be out for her to be killed by Sasha, c'mon.

stromuprisahat:

@ladymelisande I enjoyed the idea of him killing her to use as an amplifier. Sure, the show writers were too much of cowards to commit, and rather changed the lore AGAIN, but the idea she might "do something for him only over her dead body" seems in-character for her. (Unfortunately less so for Aleksander... )

I'm sad about how the show handled Baghra and Aleksander's relationship. The books didn't do a good job of this either, but at least in Demon in the Wood and a few small bits of S&B, we get some type of complexity. Complicated/toxic parent child relationships are a trope I find really interesting in fiction, and there was a lot of potential that could have been but unfortunately was not explored with Baghra and her relationship with Aleks, and their respective traumas.

One of the things I'm especially thinking about right now is Baghra's death. I hated it in both book/show, but I'm thinking about how it could possibly have been much more effective if Baghra had sacrificed herself FOR Aleks's cause rather than as a way to stop him. Sort of like a "I couldn't give you anything in life, but I'll give you something in death" or something. I don't really know how this would happen but I've been pondering it for a while, because that scene in the episode BROKE me (because of Ben and Zoe's acting, they're fantastic). Also I just wish Baghra had actually loved Aleks even a little bit. What are your thoughts?

Yeah, that would be nice, but very OOC.

Baghra's incredibly selfish character, one, who's not interested in growth in that area. She even "made" Aleksander for herself, then she spends his life sabotaging his other relationships, I can't imagine her doing something selfless for him only.

She "loves" him as her extension, her obedient puppet, better than others just like her, but not meant for defiance or his own ideas.

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Funny how all the racists end up finding each other and protecting each other and being racist together 🙄😒 ladymelisade alien v for v etc

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how many times can ladymelisande post proof that she doesn't understand a thing about the show because she's dumb and racist. it's like every day.

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Ladymelisande is in the hotd fandom too and her blog tells me she supports team black, team black stans are known to be INHERENTLY racist thanks to their obsession with Targ purity. The Targaryens for anyone who isn't familiar, they have pureblood mania for albino Supremacy. The Targ stans devote themselves to upholding that pureblood mania, even if it means stanning incest. I'm not even surprised ladymelisande gives racist point blank and showcases it clearly in the iwtv fandom, instead of being willing to learn and unlearn her mental damage. She behaves very arrogantly like team black supporters do.

I sure learn something new every day in my inbox lol

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@trippinonpaperhearts @ladymelisande

Yeah, I mean... they're relying so heavily on this "memory is a monster" trope, too, to the point that we're supposed to question basically everything we see on screen, which makes it hard to feel invested in any of it. If nothing we see is what "really happened", then why should we care? I feel like they've taken Louis' lies by omission from the first novel, and just the missing context of his opinions on Lestat, and expanded it out to this entire, bizarre scenario of Louis' entire brain not working right due to Armand's interference and missing whole sections of his memory or flatly misremembering things completely. Louis never had that problem in "IWTV". Louis remembered everything fine. Nothing he told Daniel was a lie, really, or "misremembered". It was simply a case of Louis' bitterness causing him to leave out certain details of his and Lestat's relationship, being in denial about the love he felt for Lestat, and also just lacking context himself for most of Lestat's seemingly bad actions.

But now the show has taken that to its utmost extreme and has, in the process, undermined its own narrative. The audience has no clue at this point what the truth even is, and again, if there's nothing to latch onto, nothing to feel grounded in or certain of in your narrative, then it becomes a case of nothing mattering at all. You can't form opinions about anything because for all you know, everything you're seeing is a lie or a complete mischaracterization of what actually went down. It makes it impossible to become invested.

And yes, Louis isn't in any way, shape or form the Louis from the books. It's not the same character. I think that extends in many ways to ALL the characters. They're Louis, Lestat, Claudia and Armand in name only. And the entire DV scene and drop really was done for nothing more than shock value. It added nothing to either the plot or the characters, except to make Lestat look like a worse bastard than he ever was, even at his worst in the books. And exactly, the biggest issue with it of all is that it makes Lestat's attempted murder justified, when the entire, central premise behind Lestat's and Louis' reconciliation is that Louis recognizes that what he and Claudia did to Lestat was never justified. Louis can't learn anything when his previous actions are justified by Lestat's malicious intent. It takes what is really a deeply moving and beautiful romance and turns it into a blindly destructive and toxic relationship that destroys everything in its path, with Louis running back to Lestat again and again no matter the consequences. It makes Louis look insane and appallingly selfish. I know their relationship isn't perfect in the books, and they have to work through all kinds of shit before they finally end up with their happily ever after, but at least it's a romance you can root for. I don't feel like you can root for this version of Louis' and Lestat's romance.

Also, and I know I'm repeating myself, but them taking one of the most romantic moments between Louis and Lestat in QotD, with Lestat revealing his cloud gift to Louis, and turning it into a moment of brutal violence and cruelty from Lestat toward Louis is just unforgivable to me. Why the hell did they have to do that?

You know, I'll keep maintaining that it was just such a massive, really unfixable mistake for them to have Lestat do what he did to Louis in season 1, not just with beating Louis to within an inch of his life, but also the drop, because, again, the reason Louis forgives Lestat and comes back to him at the end of "The Vampire Lestat" is because he realizes all of Lestat's manipulations and refusals to share information with him, his hiding of his true power and reluctance to tell him about where he came from or who his maker was, etc, etc... was all Lestat's fumbling, ineffective and desperate attempt to protect him and Claudia, both from Marius' threats and also the coven in Paris, and of course, also Lestat's fear of being alone. Yes, Lestat's treatment of Louis and Claudia was a form of abuse, really more in the realm of negligence than anything else, but it was done largely out of fear and desperation, not with any sort of malice or intent to harm.

And that's the problem, and that's why I'll never accept this idea that it's "in character" for Lestat to behave the way he did in the fifth episode of the first season, even with the revisions they showed us in episode 7 of season 2.

Lestat admits at the trial that he did it to hurt Louis, because he couldn't make Louis love him, so he decided to break him instead.

This takes what had been unintentional abuse on Lestat's part, and turns it into intentional, malicious abuse and plain cruelty. It fundamentally changes who Lestat is and what the issues between him and Louis are, and what's at the core of Lestat's actions toward Louis and Claudia.

They shouldn't have done it. Because even now, after this latest episode, you still have plenty of people talking about what an abusive piece of shit Lestat is, how what he did was unjustifiable, and how Louis' actions against him were justifiable, as a result.

Louis' entire reconciliation with Lestat is rooted in Louis realizing that Lestat never deserved to die. In realizing that he and Claudia had, in fact, wronged Lestat by attempting to take his life. He realizes this because he realizes Lestat's own wrongs against them had never been committed with malicious intent. He realizes Lestat had been misguided, but not cruel.

But Lestat's abuses and wrongs against Louis and Claudia in the show, as admitted by Lestat himself, were done with malicious intent, with the precise purpose of hurting Louis, specifically. It was done specifically with vengeance in mind, and again, that fundamentally changes everything about their relationship, and drastically undercuts both the believability and desirability of their later reconciliation and rekindled romance.

A large part of the audience for this show just isn't going to want to see Lestat and Louis end up together, because through this one, massive change to Lestat's character, they've completely altered the very nature of that character and of his relationship with Louis.

It kind of sucks, because Sam Reid is so good as Lestat, and his acting during that entire scene where he confesses he wanted to hurt Louis was fantastic. But it just completely butchers Lestat's character and makes his and Louis' romance almost a non-starter.

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I couldn't find the .gif in the searcher so here is the source (ladymelisande) but like. Yeah

Reincarnation in romance normally makes me really sad but it's okay because both Salem and Ozma are on the same level of cosmic weirdness, and their immortal love is so important to the story because of that all-encompassing world-engulfing wound. That's the good stuff

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Many of my points were addressing @ladymelisande (Who seems to have disappeared?) directly, not you per se. But I am glad to see your input.

I agree that the show is a really loose adaptation. I guess I'm just a little confused why there is so much vitriol for that? I get being upset that you don't get to see a faithful adaptation, but I've seen this deep hatred for the show runners in a lot of older fans. The idea that they hate Anne Rice, that they hate the books. It just feels like too much.

To be fair, I am a show fan who is slowly making their way through the books. Many, many other people are beginning to read the books because of this show, shouldn't that be exciting? Even for those who can't/don't want to read the books, I don't blame them. There are so many books, with many different tones, and with some very heavy and uncomfortable subject matter. It's intimidating!

You know, I'll keep maintaining that it was just such a massive, really unfixable mistake for them to have Lestat do what he did to Louis in season 1, not just with beating Louis to within an inch of his life, but also the drop, because, again, the reason Louis forgives Lestat and comes back to him at the end of "The Vampire Lestat" is because he realizes all of Lestat's manipulations and refusals to share information with him, his hiding of his true power and reluctance to tell him about where he came from or who his maker was, etc, etc... was all Lestat's fumbling, ineffective and desperate attempt to protect him and Claudia, both from Marius' threats and also the coven in Paris, and of course, also Lestat's fear of being alone. Yes, Lestat's treatment of Louis and Claudia was a form of abuse, really more in the realm of negligence than anything else, but it was done largely out of fear and desperation, not with any sort of malice or intent to harm.

And that's the problem, and that's why I'll never accept this idea that it's "in character" for Lestat to behave the way he did in the fifth episode of the first season, even with the revisions they showed us in episode 7 of season 2.

Lestat admits at the trial that he did it to hurt Louis, because he couldn't make Louis love him, so he decided to break him instead.

This takes what had been unintentional abuse on Lestat's part, and turns it into intentional, malicious abuse and plain cruelty. It fundamentally changes who Lestat is and what the issues between him and Louis are, and what's at the core of Lestat's actions toward Louis and Claudia.

They shouldn't have done it. Because even now, after this latest episode, you still have plenty of people talking about what an abusive piece of shit Lestat is, how what he did was unjustifiable, and how Louis' actions against him were justifiable, as a result.

Louis' entire reconciliation with Lestat is rooted in Louis realizing that Lestat never deserved to die. In realizing that he and Claudia had, in fact, wronged Lestat by attempting to take his life. He realizes this because he realizes Lestat's own wrongs against them had never been committed with malicious intent. He realizes Lestat had been misguided, but not cruel.

But Lestat's abuses and wrongs against Louis and Claudia in the show, as admitted by Lestat himself, were done with malicious intent, with the precise purpose of hurting Louis, specifically. It was done specifically with vengeance in mind, and again, that fundamentally changes everything about their relationship, and drastically undercuts both the believability and desirability of their later reconciliation and rekindled romance.

A large part of the audience for this show just isn't going to want to see Lestat and Louis end up together, because through this one, massive change to Lestat's character, they've completely altered the very nature of that character and of his relationship with Louis.

It kind of sucks, because Sam Reid is so good as Lestat, and his acting during that entire scene where he confesses he wanted to hurt Louis was fantastic. But it just completely butchers Lestat's character and makes his and Louis' romance almost a non-starter.