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The Return of Superman - CBG
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Tomorrow X Together's Choi Beomgyu as dad!gyu in The Return of Superman show pairing: dad!gyu x reader genre: fluff word count: 1,538
a/n: not proofread, it's been a while since i wrote something. this is based on my long time favorite au from wattpad; The Return Of Superman - BTS by Nitaescence it's also available here in tumblr i love that au so much, and it's been years since i've been thinking of creating one for txt. i hope you guys would like this one. *...* : sentences edited on the final image / commentators' comments BOLD : cameras' position in the house or outside Italics : dialogues /.../ : time (...) : sound effects [...] : camera movements Includes interviews as well
BUILDING
/10:47 AM/
LIVING-ROOM/FRONT DOOR/KITCHEN/PLAYROOM
*It's late in the morning, but you can spot no one*
(giggles) [camera pans - Front Door] Two little boys enter the house. *Where did these kids came from?*
Both stops on their tracks, noticing a tent with a camera in it. *Frozen* They stare blankly at it and starts giggling moving closer to the camera. *Why hello!* [camera focuses on the kid wearing a dark green pajama set] *His name is Hajoon* "Let's go!" Hajoon pulls the younger one who's busy making funny faces in front of the camera. [freezes - the younger one’s funny face] *This must be Hanjae*
KITCHEN
(uh oh) *Looks like someone's stealing snacks*
[Pan - kitchen entrance] *Someone's coming* *Hurry boys* “Hurry up Hanjae! Dad will wake up soon!” Hanjae closes the drawer and hands the biscuit to the other. *These kids have no idea what's waiting for them* (screams) *What happened?* "It was Hanjae!" "It was Hajoon!” Both said in unison. [slow pan - kitchen entrance] Someone is already leaning against the counter, arms cross. *Who is it?* [Tilt and freezes] *It's Tomorrow X Together's Choi Beomgyu*
Beomgyu: Hi, my name is Beomgyu. I'm the father of 57-month-old twins: Choi Hajoon and Choi Hanjae. Nice to meet you! *Woah twins!* (amusement)
*Choi Beomgyu is a famous singer-songwriter. Aside from that he is also well know as the moodmaker of a KPOP group called TomorrowXTogether.* [pictures/videos of him performing with the members in concerts and shows] *He's also pretty well-known in the industry for being funny without trying* [videos of him in variety/reality shows]
"Why were the kids outside early in the morning?" Beomgyu: They had a sleepover at Soobin. It was his turn that weekend. "Is his house just near?" Beomgyu: The members decided to live in one village and we own a street here. So the houses are relatively side by side. Plus it's a corner street, so we don't worry much about running cars.
LIVING-ROOM
Kids ran and slams themselves in the sofa. *What are they up to now?* Beomgyu follows and sits on the floor, facing the twins. *Looks like dad is gonna scold someone* "How many times do we have to tell you to ask permission first?" Beomgyu asks the kids who's trying their very best to sit properly. "Dad, we're really hungry." Hajoon answers. Hanjae holds Hajoon’s little hands. [camera zooms at their hands] (Aww) "Right and you chose the ones covered in chocolate. Hand it over." The kids hand it over while pouting. "Next time ask, okay? Hajoon you should be looking out for Hanjae being the eldest. Now stop fussing and let's make breakfast. We dont want to wake mom up." Beomgyu.
The twins follow him and starts prepping the table. "I want noodles!" Hanjae. "I want steak!" Hajoon. Beomgyu looks back to see his twins giggling. *They’re very fond of their dad* "This is not a restoraunt." He exclaims as exaggerated as he can do, causing the twins to laugh. *So cute!*
KITCHEN /11:24 AM/ (door closes)
[zooms at the twins] Both of their heads turn towards the noise. "MOM!" *They're suddenly out of frame(laugh)* [camera pans to the newly arrived person] *Y/N looks so pretty in the morning* “Good morning.” Y/N goes to Beomgyu and gives him a kiss. (aww) "Mom! Me too!" Hajoon. *Someone's jealous* "Okay, okay." Y/N then kisses the twins’ cheeks. "Boys please settle down, we dont want to disturb the baby." Beomgyu. *Baby?* (Surprise)
Y/N: We've always wanted to have two kids: a girl and a boy. And we didn't expect to have twins during the first time. Beomgyu and I still wants a little girl, so we're trying.
[Freeze frame and zooms on Y/N's baby bump] *Currently, Y/N is 4-months-old pregnant* (amusement)
"Take a seat so we can eat." Beomgyu then places the food on the table. [zooms on the dishes] *Those look delicious*
"Aren't you known to not cook in the dorm?" Beomgyu: (laugh) Y/N's pregnancy this time made her have bad morning sickness that she needs to lie down for hours. Cooking is the least that I could do to lessen her load. *What a sweet and thoughtful husband*
/12:58 PM/
LIVING-ROOM
Beomgyu's lying in Y/N's lap while they watch the kids trying to enter the tent. "Yohan! Both of you and Yves will give the cameraman a hard time. Go to another tent." Y/N. *Yohan?* *Yves?*
Beomgyu: Those are the kids' English names. We try our best to make the kids speak both English and Korean as early as possible. Yohan is the eldest while Yves is the youngest.
"Are you sure you wont just stay at home during filming?" Beomgyu. "We don't want the kids to focus on me Beomi. It's your time to have fun without me. Plus mom's {beomgyu's} gonna accompany me while i'm not at home." "But I don't want to be away from you." *Dad sure is clingy* (laugh)
(door bell) (kids' scream)
The twins ran to the front door and Beomgyu follows through. [camera's trying to focus] *Who is it?*
"Uncle Yeonjun!" *Oh! It's Yeonjun* Yeonjun hugs the twins. "Let's go, the kids are already at the park." Yeonjun then looks Beomgyu from head to toe. "Yah! Why aren't you changed yet? Hurry up! Today's picnic." Beomgyu walks towards the bedroom, scratching his head, to change. While Yeonjun went to the living-room to make sure Beomgyu doesn't take so much time. *That still didn't change. They still bicker (laugh)* "Hey Junnie! Desserts in the fridge, sit down. I'll get it first." Y/N went to the kitchen to get the dessert. Beomgyu went out of the room right on time. He poses in front of Y/N hoping for compliments [camera pans from head to toe] (shalala) *Dad looks pretty* "Are you coming Y/N?" Yeonjun asks while side eyeing Beomgyu who isn't fazed by his pose. "Nope! Gonna savor the peace and quiet without my 3 kids." (shatters) Y/N then hands the apple pie to Beomgyu and pats his back. That remark made Yeonjun laugh and a pouty Beomgyu exits the house. *The kids surely do look like their dad: physical attributes and personality*
/1:23 PM/
PARK
[camera pans the whole area] *The park looks empty* (confuse) *Are they the only people in the park?* Beomgyu places the pie on the table and sits beside Taehyun.
The twins are already at the sandpit burying something. *What could it be?* [zooms at the mystery treasure] *It looks like someone's eyeglasses*
"Dad! Did you saw my eyeglasses?" (Uh oh) *flashback to the mystery treasure* "Jiyoon! The twins are at it again!" *New kids arrives* *Who are they?*
[camera tilts to the parents at the table] "This is what you call karma." Soobin comments and sips on his juice. Everyone at the table laughs at Soobin’s comment. “It’s your kid’s eyeglasses, you know?” Hueningkai. *Jiyoon is Soobin's daughter?* (excitement) [shows Jiyoon] *She does look like her dad* “Well, lucky for her to be friends with the twins.” Soobin. *He wants his kid to experience the same thing he’s experienced with Beomgyu (laugh)*
SANDPIT
An angry Jiyoon walks towards the twins with Minjun laughing beside her. *Looks like this is a normal occurrence* “My eyeglass.” Jiyoon places her little hand in front of the twins. [camera freezes at her hand] *Little angry hands* “Jiyoon. Don’t be angry.” Hanjae stands up and pats Jiyoon’s back. [flashback to Y/N patting Beomgyu's back] *This one looks like mom* *Jiyoon is now frowning* “We don’t remember where we buried it.” (Uh oh) Hajoon pats his hands on his pants. He suddenly raises his hand and gestures 3. *What could this mean?* “Minjun! Get the shovel!” Minjun rans to the parent’s table to get what was asked.
[camera follows a running Minjun] “Dad! We need the shovels!” Minjun excitedly told Yeonjun. *Oh! It's Yeonjun's son* *We should have known, he looks exactly like him* “Not again.” Despite that, Yeonjun still hands the shovel. *Parents aren’t even fazed*
[camera focuses on the sandpit] (crow) *Where do they even begin?* “This is why you should atleast put something to remind you where you hide things.” Jiyoon scolds Hajoon. “We really didn’t mean to lose it this time!” Hanjae peers hiding behind Hajoon. “That’s what you said last time though?” Mijun hands out the shovel.
/2:16 PM/
“FOUND IT!” (Excitement) *Hardwork pays off* [camera focuses at the kids] *Did they roll around the sandpit?* The kids are jumping off the excitement walking towards the table. “Took you guys long to find it this time.” Taehyun commented. “They buried 3 things in the sandpit today.” Jiyoon replied while trying to sit beside her dad. The twins follows and tries to sit beside Beomgyu. “Guess it’s more fun babysitting than having one who acts and looks like you huh?” Kai jokes that made everyone laugh.
Beomgyu: (sigh) The kids are really a blessing. It’s just that there’s two of them, so it’s times 2 the effort of getting someone’s attention.
[camera focuses at Hajoon and Hanjae] *Someone’s tired* “We should head back now, the twins are already on the verge of sleeping.” Beomgyu carries the twins in each of his arms. Everyone bids goodbye and heads home.
End of Day 1
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Enemies To Lovers (Kpop Ver.)
Scenarios
Your SO, a well-known idol, features one of your songs during a live event, causing it to go viral. Catapulting its success and suddenly filling your schedule with bookings. In a moment of pettiness, your S/O mocks you when they see you, asserting that you would have remained unnoticed without their influence.
You're SO staring at you intensely at a music show and you glare at them thinking they were hating when in reality they thought you look good.
Attending a reality show where you and your significant other are guests, your constant bickering makes other laugh for the other participants who casually dismiss it as lighthearted banter, little aware of the true underlying dislike between you and your partner
Your SO is an MC introducing your group at award show in where they stop halfway unintentionally staring at you leaving them starstruck.
(If you're a songwriter) Your company calls you in about an offer by your SO's company to write a song for them. You declined till your SO message you to change your mind. You decided to mess with them before agreeing to do it.
you were struggling to get your mic pack into place, your SO caught your attention as they gently stepped behind you, whispering "Let me." Their fingers accidentally brushing on your back, adding a bit more to the moment. With a gentle and tender touch, they helped you secure the pack in place.
You roll your eyes at your SO and they roll them back at you live at a music show interview. Causing you guys to go viral and wonder what happen for you guys to hate each other. (Jimin & Jeongyeon insp.)
After your constant arguments between you and your SO, you decided to write a song. You write about how much you hate your SO but not realizing that it had hints of admiration and care for them. The song made you realize that you had feelings for them.
You two keep provoking or making snarky comments each other every time you see each other.
Quotes
"They look at each other, baffled, in love and hate"
"You fall in love with the most unexpected person at the most unexpected time"
"Are you flirting or starting a fight?"
"You're important to me you piece of shit"
"I know you're obsessed with me"
"All you know what to do is run your mouth"
"I hate how angelic your voice sounds"
"I think I always liked them; I was just too stubborn to admit it"
Music
Visual
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Movies
Couldnt find any movies but I do recommend the K-Dramas below:
Dream High Dream High 2 Your Beautiful Heartstrings Trot Lover
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Ever since he was a child, KIYOUNG wanted to be an entertainer. There are countless home videos of him putting on a show for his parents and extended family. His specific interest in idols began in middle school, and it wasn't long before he was auditioning for various entertainment companies. He was eventually accepted into a small and now bankrupt company, where he joined a few other teenage boys aiming to debut. From the start, it was, for the lack of a better description, a shit show. An altercation that ended with Kiyoung getting stitches led his parents and a few others to sue the company. His opportunity to join Zenith Entertainment arrived in 2016, when he was in university, having otherwise given up on becoming an idol. Jaeseop, whom he had met on an overnight trip where both of their schools booked the same destination, knew of his past experience and offered him a second chance. Kiyoung took it, and that experience, however terrible, helped him debut as Fable's lead vocalist and lead dancer. As the group's eldest member and the one with the most life experience outside of being an idol, he is seen as a supportive and dependable figure to the younger members. In Fable's rookie years, he was occasionally mistaken for the group's leader. In recent years, as more information about Jaeseop's role becomes public, that mistake occurs less and less. At the end of 2022, he began his mandatory military service as an active duty soldier. He returned to the group in the summer of 2024.
STAGE NAME: Kiyoung
FULL NAME: Oh Kiyoung / 오기영 / 吳基榮
BIRTHDAY: April 18, 1994
HOME TOWN: Dangjin, South Chungcheong, South Korea
BIRTHPLACE: Dangjin, South Chungcheong, South Korea
ETHNICITY: Korean
NATIONALITY: South Korean
POSITION: Lead vocalist, lead dancer
FACE CLAIM: Lee Minhyuk (Monsta X)
A fourth generation Korean-American, ANDREW was born on September 23, 1995 in Boulder, Colorado. He is an only child who managed to hit on nearly every Asian American model minority stereotype growing up: he excelled in school (enough to skip third grade), played an instrument (piano, of his own choice), and claimed he wanted to be a professor (like his dad). Music was the single biggest challenge he faced of his own volition, and he threw himself into music production and songwriting with a fervor. The interest dogged him through high school, where he posted a few song covers and original music to a YouTube channel that never took off. At seventeen, he moved to New York for college, where he studied music composition at Columbia University. Four years, one messy friendship breakup, and copious amounts of alcohol and weed later, Andrew set his sights on the next big thing: kpop. He was never a fan of idol groups, preferring the niche, underground atmosphere of American indie bands. He put aside his prejudices for a few months during which he taught English at a hagwon in the evenings, attended various entertainment company auditions, discovered he was older than the average candidate, and finally passed the single public Zenith Entertainment audition and interview. After a year and a half of training that mostly involved dancing, Andrew made his debut as Fable's main vocalist under the stage name Yejun, which he picked for the Hanja characters 藝 (art) and 俊 (smart, handsome). Despite his qualifications, he made few contributions to Fable's discography until the release of their second full length album in 2023. Since then, he has gained a modicum of creative control while feeling completely inadequate at being in a group with Fable's concept alongside people who were born and raised in South Korea, or at least able to fake it.
STAGE NAME: Yejun
FULL NAME: Andrew Han
BIRTHDAY: September 23, 1995
HOME TOWN: Boulder, Colorado, USA
BIRTHPLACE: Boulder, Colorado, USA
ETHNICITY: Korean
NATIONALITY: American
POSITION: Main vocal, visual
FACE CLAIM: Rowoon / Kim Seokwoo
Born on October 2, 1995, JAESEOP is one of the few children of his generation on his dad's side of the family. From an early age, it was thought that his future was laid out for him. He was supposed to do well in school, participate in a few extra-curriculars and become a well-rounded person, go to university, meet a nice girl, and start a family of his own. This seemingly perfect plan was derailed by his lack of interest in everything except getting along with others. Worried, his family pushed him into their backup plan instead. Jaeseop became Zenith Entertainment's first trainee shortly after the company was founded in the summer of 2016. In a case of poor communication and misplaced assumptions, he thought he was working with his uncle's new business in some sort of management capacity related to his in-progress PR degree, not as an artist. While he was meant to be an extension of Taein within the group, his unfailing moral compass and tendency to root for the underdog have made him the greatest ally of the other Fable members instead of his uncle. As Fable's leader and number one defender, he enjoys a great amount of respect from fans, who give him much more leeway compared to the other members. He gets away with running his mouth (Mingeun could never) and having a girlfriend (Haksu could never). In late 2023, he was gifted a portion of his father's share of Zenith Entertainment, giving him a stake in the company and the slightest bit more power.
STAGE NAME: Jaeseop
FULL NAME: Lee Jaeseop /이재섭 / 李材攝
BIRTHDAY: October 2, 1995
HOME TOWN: Seoul, South Korea
BIRTHPLACE: Gyeongsan, North Gyeongsang, South Korea
ETHNICITY: Korean
NATIONALITY: South Korean
POSITION: Leader, lead dancer
FACE CLAIM: Doyoung / Kim Dongyoung
INTAK was born on December 3, 1995, in Incheon, South Korea. His father's somewhat volatile job as a construction foreman saw his family moving frequently around the city. When he was twelve, his father was laid off, leaving them to relocate to Gwangyang, where his mother's family lived. Intak, who always had difficulties making friends, found this new environment, combined with his father's unemployment, extremely hostile. He found solace online instead, meeting Kiyoung on a StarCraft forum and discovering music production. The latter became a hobby for him, and he eventually started a SoundCloud account that peaked at two thousand followers. In 2016, he was invited to join Zenith Entertainment by Kiyoung, despite the two of them meeting in person only a few times. He was hesitant at first, as he held quite a few negative opinions on idols. At the same time, the thought of living in the same house as his parents forever was becoming unbearable, and so he accepted the offer. He debuted as Fable's main rapper and unofficial main producer, holding the latter position for the first few years of his career. Though Intak doesn't speak about it much, he's the one who made Taein's vision for the group a reality. His biggest responsibilities have been their debut song, 승천, and the title track of their first full-length album, 천둥. His musical contributions have lessened as he started splitting the production with Andrew, but he remains a mostly silent and integral part of the group.
STAGE NAME: Intak
FULL NAME: Park Intak / 박인탁 / 朴仁托
BIRTHDAY: December 3, 1995
HOME TOWN: Gwangyang, South Jeolla, South Korea
BIRTHPLACE: Incheon, South Korea
ETHNICITY: Korean
NATIONALITY: South Korean
POSITION: Main rapper
FACE CLAIM: Kim Jiwoong
HAKSU was born on August 8, 1997, exactly twenty-one years before Fable's debut. He calls it fate. An only child of only children with known fertility problems, his birth was considered nothing short of a miracle. He would also consider himself a miracle. With his comfortable and pampered childhood, he easily developed an ego. It was further exacerbated as he grew up and learned he could use his good looks and a smile to get his way. His interest in singing developed from the years he spent in his church's choir, which also did nothing to temper his opinions on himself. His interest in being an idol developed from a dream he had in his sophomore year at Sahmyook University, where he was scraping his way through a degree in business administration. Haksu was the last member added to Fable's debut lineup in late 2017, mere days after he joined the company. Eight months later, on his twenty-first birthday, he debuted as Fable's main vocalist and center. For the first few years after the group's debut, he was the only member idol fans in general would even have a chance of recognizing. His solo activities—photo shoots, advertisements, an appearance on King of Mask Singer—did nothing to bolster the group's popularity. As a result of the group's extremely uneven individual popularities, Haksu is often the bias of choice for many akgaes and sasaengs. His boyfriend approach to fan service only seems to encourage them, and they, in turn, have helped Fable gain further prominence.
STAGE NAME: Haksu
FULL NAME: Kang Haksu / 강학수 / 康授學
BIRTHDAY: August 8, 1997
HOME TOWN: Gunsan, North Jeolla, South Korea
BIRTHPLACE: Gunsan, North Jeolla, South Korea
ETHNICITY: Korean
NATIONALITY: South Korean
POSITION: Main vocal, center, fotg
FACE CLAIM: Hyunjae / Lee Jaehyun
EUNSU was born on July 10, 1999 in Taebaek, South Korea, a fact he tried desperately to hide. The second son of a Buddhist priest, he had the freedom to choose his own path, unlike his older brother, Yonggeum, who was set to succeed their father from the time he was born. Eunsu's choice then became music. In middle school, he and a few friends started a band, where he played bass guitar. He made the leap to Seoul for high school, where he attended SOPA and an SM Entertainment audition with some classmates. A few of them, including Eunsu, managed to pass. He would only spend a year at SM, before deciding to leave alongside Mingeun. He debuted as Fable's main rapper two years later. While a member of the group, he was most popular for his Tom and Jerry-esque antics with Haksu and his close friendship with Mingeun. In 2021, Yonggeum was the victim of a drunk driver's hit-and-run, leading to Eunsu's departure from Fable. Officially, he left for personal reasons. Unofficially, he left to inherit his father and brother's position. He remains on very good terms with the group, making occasional appearances in their music and other content.
STAGE NAME: Eunsu
FULL NAME: Baek Eunsu / 백은수 / 伯銀帥
BIRTHDAY: July 10, 1999
HOME TOWN: Taebaek, Gangwon, South Korea
BIRTHPLACE: Taebaek, Gangwon, South Korea
ETHNICITY: Korean
NATIONALITY: South Korean
POSITION: Main rapper
FACE CLAIM: Yoo Yongha
MINGEUN was born on November 13, 1999 in Yongin, South Korea. When he was two, he moved to Canada with his parents and older sister, Minah. His younger sister, Eunice, was born shortly after their move. Growing up, he was often labeled as a shy and solitary child. In school, he took the English name Eric, after the prince in the The Little Mermaid, which he no longer answers to. Despite immigrating and becoming a naturalized Canadian citizen at the age of twelve, his parents raised all three of their children with a favorable view of their home country. They spoke Korean at home and often traveled back to South Korea on summer vacations. On one such trip, when he was eleven, Mingeun was scouted by SM Entertainment hours before a flight at Incheon International Airport. His mother accepted the offer on his behalf, and before he knew it, he was a trainee. He spent five years—mostly summers—as an SM trainee, where he met future fellow Fable member Eunsu, before being dropped for his inability to work with others. It was, coincidentally, around the same time he dropped out of high school to pursue an idol career full time and the same time Taein founded Zenith Entertainment. A few months of relentless begging later found him as Zenith's fifth trainee. In his first few months at Zenith, he was a shoo-in for Fable's main vocalist. Two years later, following the additions of ANDREW and HAKSU and a very close call where he was initially cut from Fable's final lineup, Mingeun debuted as Fable's main dancer and lead vocalist. He is most well known for his 2020 scandal, in which fans discovered that he was not, in fact, born and raised in Yongin like he said he was, but a Canadian citizen. He took a nearly two-year hiatus from the group, and his reputation has only recently began to recover. He is one of the group's most publicly outspoken members, following the logic that his reputation can't get much worse.
STAGE NAME: Mingeun
FULL NAME: Yoon Mingeun / 윤민근 / 尹敏勤
BIRTHDAY: November 13, 1999
HOME TOWN: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
BIRTHPLACE: Yongin, Gyeonggi, South Korea
ETHNICITY: Korean
NATIONALITY: Canadian
POSITION: Main dancer, lead vocalist, lead rapper (since 2021)
FACE CLAIM: Jeong Yunho
BYEONGHWI was born on May 18, 2001, in Jecheon, South Korea. His career goal, for most of his life, was to be a professional soccer player, despite being only decent at the sport. It was a trend in most other areas of his life as well. He had passable grades, a few close friends, and very little wants. He stood out only for his excellent moral standing in which he could generally be trusted to have integrity and tell the truth. When he was in high school, he accompanied his best friend at the time to a Zenith Entertainment audition as part of his friend's goal to become a kpop idol. It was thought that neither of them passed the audition until Byeonghwi got a call back a few months later. He officially became a trainee in mid 2017, and made his debut in Fable a little over a year later. As the group's youngest member, he is babied by fans and the rest of Fable alike. At first, he didn't mind it. As he grew older, it became tiring for him to be continually boxed into the same persona, especially when the rest of the group got to grow personally and professionally. He's working on rebelling, but it's difficult for him when it's been ingrained in him to be good for so much of his life.
STAGE NAME: Byeonghwi
FULL NAME: Lim Byeonghwi / 임병휘 / 任昞輝
BIRTHDAY: May 18, 2001
HOME TOWN: Jecheon, North Chungcheong, South Korea
BIRTHPLACE: Jecheon, North Chungcheong, South Korea
ETHNICITY: Korean
NATIONALITY: South Korean
POSITION: Lead vocal + maknae
FACE CLAIM: J-Min / Jeon Minwook
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Are songs shorter nowadays and is it a problem for the popular music industry?
I feel like when we compare popular music from the 1980-90s to the 2010-20s, one of the main difference is the length of songs. At the 2024 Grammy Awards, a lot of the nominated songs were under 3 minutes with, for example, “Dance The Night” by Dua Lipa or SZA’s “Kill Bill”. But why is that?
In the 50s a 45-rpm single could only hold about 5 minutes of music so songs were, on the average, 3 and a half minutes long on vinyl records. In the 60s/70s artists started experimenting with longer pieces like Bob Dylan’s “Like A Rolling Stone” being more than 6 minutes long or “Bohemian Rhapsody” by Queen lasting 5 minutes and 55 seconds. In the 1980-90s, as CDs didn’t have the same restrictions as vinyls, the average song length was about 4 minutes but since 1990, on the Billboard Hot 100, songs length went from over 4 minutes to around 3, regardless of the genre. This decrease was caused by radio edits that shortened songs to 3 and a half minutes but it is mostly because of streaming platforms and social media.
The way streaming platforms work is pretty simple, an artist is payed every time a song of theirs is played in its entirety no matter its length so it is more economically profitable for them to make shorter songs. Listeners have to be engaged in the first 30 seconds of a song, making shorter intros and directly engaging and catchy hooks reduces the chances of the song getting skipped.
Social media, especially Tiktok, have changed the way we interact with music and artists; on the one hand it allows creativeness and an easy way to connect with people but it is also so fast-paced that it ruins our attention span, which is why shorter songs are preferred on those apps. We can see it with the 2023 Tiktok hit song “Super Shy” by the kpop group New Jeans being only 2 minutes and 34 seconds long
It is more profitable for artists to release shorter songs but some of them also do it to experiment with their art, like the singer PinkPantheress who said in an interview that she thinks songs don’t need to be more than 2 minutes and 30 seconds long. Her saying that resulted in a lot of backlash, people, from simple listeners to professionals, have expressed their opinion on the matter and have said that songs getting shorter is a big issue in the music industry. In a way I agree because if artists start to only make music for economic purposes, we will lose the art of it but at the same time, music length is something that has been changing for decades now and the popular music artists of our time are experimenting with their creations just like they did in the 60s and 70s so I don’t think it is necessarily wrong to think they way PinkPantheress does. Popular music has always, and will always be influenced by the latest technology and the way we, as the audience, consume it so I don’t see why it would be alarming or a threat to songwriting/ the music industry if songs are getting shorter.
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still 13th august 2023
what outsiders think of ive's busy schedule (tour + october comeback)? (orig. worded differently)
the hermit, 4 of wands, 3 of cups rx • the magician
roughly the thoughts are neutral, however i see some of their fans disconnection with the group in some form as they seem to overthink starship’s desicions. although local dives will be happy such as korean and japanese ones (possibly chinese ones too considering wonyoung’s questionable part-taiwanese ethnicity), the disharmony cannot be ignored. the lack of harmony might be issue between the members of the group and it could be just seen too obviously? i doubt the disharmony thing is with the c-bars here tbh
wonyoung, future solo gigs
she might:
- be in commercials (cf’s)
- appear in radio show/s or anything, related to the radio
- be on magazines such as her being in the cover issue of one, or interview in there
(interviews seem to appear lowkey strong)
- do outside-related activities
- do more activities in south korea (taiwan possibly too if she’s actually part-taiwanese)
- try to compose songs
- be accused of racism in any form
- be accused of having plastic surgery (i am sure she has rhinoplasty and lip fillers, probably pernament ones, but it can be about anything else)
- break a law (for example, improper crossing)
+ be more active on youtube, bubble and instagram
is the current government of italy.. fascists?
6 of pentacles, the sun, 6 of wands, 2 of swords rx, 10 of pentacles • 4 of swords
I am sorry but how the fuck their current government is fascist? The country’s current coalition want to give the Italians the best they can do. It looks like the Italians striked gold with them. However I see some delays as there are other unions and people, and so on to please (ahem, NATO/EU). It looks like the Italians’ current government is the best they can have for now. This isn’t fascist at all.
Overall I see the Italians’ current government genuine. NATO and EU want to fuck them up so and that’s the main issue. Why this does feel so similar? Oh, wait.
joe biden's ideology (for his presidency; orig. different wordplay)
10 of cups, 5 of swords, 2 of pentacles, 6 of wands, 10 of pentacles • 4 of swords
- to betray USA’s citizens
- to make their citizens feel anger, resentment even: i sense war, fire
- to raise the amount of protests for injustice and therefore, to make themselves “superheroes” when they’re the responsible ones for this
jiwoong, solo gigs
he might:
- be more active on social medias such as twitter if zb1 have freedom there, bubble?? and instagram
- appear on fashion related events (i don’t see him as brand ambassador for now..)
- have individual fan-meetings in some form?
- try voice acting if he hasn’t already
- appear on variety shows
- do cover songs or self-made ones, he wants to try compose songs
- have more activities in buildings
- be more active in south korea
- try songwriting
- be called out for anything related to racism
- call out something or someone for anything inappropriate
- called out for doing something wrong
14th august 2023
zayn, career reading (until 2024)
the star, the tower, 3 of wands, page of wands • the hanged man
it can go quite well! i can see him going to travel to somewhere, so it can be usa tour or even world one, but we have to be patient about it.
why most girl groups don’t last long like boy groups in the kpop industry?
king of pentacles, 6 of wands rx, ace of cups • the emperor
The reasons are simply for their own relevance as it looks like most of the boy groups won’t do well individually. The girl groups, no matter formerly or not can do better individually rather than in their own groups (overall). That’s why the groups that are disbanding are mainly girl ones. Because of their own individual relevance, they cannot afford risking it.
will skz become the top group under jype?
the hermit, page of swords, the fool • 4 of pentacles rx
In its maximum they’ll tie them, but passing them.. I doubt it.
woozi, career reading + general reading
Career: 8 of wands, 9 of pentacles, knight of cups, 5 of cups rx, 7 of pentacles • 4 of cups rx
General: queen of cups, 3 of pentacles, 9 of pentacles, 8 of wands • 4 of cups rx
Quite great in both aspects, however his personal life is tightly connected with his personal one. I see he will be busy with doing offers that are beneficial for him to do them so. His life is connected with his group so apart from him being with them and his solo gigs, nothing else.
ariana grande's motto of this year
7 of swords • the lovers
It’s your own choice how you are in your personal life.
how wonyoung views yujin (ive)'s it girl porential?
the fool • 4 of pentacles rx
A breath of fresh air, she sees her potential going stronger with the time but with risks, Wonyoung sees Yujin as egoistical workaholic and she thinks that Yujin has to manage her work with her personal life in a way she doesn’t exhaust herself.
will ryujin have solo gigs this year?
ace of pentacles rx, the hierophant, 7 of cups • king of cups
Um, I personally doubt it. She seems to be under the rug despite of the offers. JYPE made them on hold or declined them. The chance is tiny to me.
wonyoung's thoughts about jeon somi's career
the hermit rx • page of pentacles
Isolated as fuck, TBL isn’t the right for Somi herself, she should’ve signed somewhere else. Wonyoung’s aware of her actual potential especially when both of them were first in the produce series.
somi and wonyoung's thoughts on their personalities
Wonyoung towards Somi: 9 of wands, knight of wands • 2 of swords rx
Very smart, patient, persistent, with many ambitions for herself. However she sees all of this under the rug and it’s not seen by everyone else except only a few, including Wonyoung herself.
Somi towards Wonyoung: page of swords • 8 of wands
Shining star, very communicative too. When she wants to do something, she’s going for it. Wonyoung can be her role mode for that, ngl
somi and kang daniel's thoughts on each other's career paths
Somi towards Daniel: 2 of cups, the empress • 3 of swords rx
Very harmonious with Daniel himself, also independent in some way (obviously bc Konnect is his label). Somi’s proud of the way Daniel is today.
Daniel towards Somi: 10 of wands • the magician
The thought itself is very neutral. He basically is thinking that whatever she does is her own responsibility for its results.
kang daniel's thoughts about somi's popularity
10 of cups rx • page of pentacles
Personally he’s sad that her career is like that because her potential can do so much more..
was lariste ruined because of marwa loud?
8 of cups, king of swords, judgement, 10 of cups, queen of swords rx • 7 of pentacles
The truth of the whole situation is that it is either simply for clout and everything was planned beforehand or I’m not allowed to see what’s the truth. The cards are very different from the whole situation that’s seen in the news blogs and even that youtuber who did 7 fucking parts about it🤷🏻♀️
twice's thoughts about jype's management
(s = swords, p = pentacles, c = cups, w = wands, a = ace), from nayeon to tzuyu
8srx/hermit; 5crx/ac; 10srx/devilrx; kingp,6s/6c; queenc/9p; 5srx/fool, ap+5w/lovers; 10c/judgement; kingp/6s
Nayeon would prefer to leave her company, she seems to not care about them at all.
Jeongyeon is saying “whatever” for the costs of OT9 TWICE. Neutral, I guess.
Momo is aware how they work. Nothing else for her.
Sana’s view is the same as Tzuyu with the addition that she’s disappointed but not suprised.
Jihyo is quite optimistic, probably because they focus on her individual career now bc she’s debuting soon.
Mina is indifferent about it.
Dahyun also seems indifferent but she’s the most pissed out of all of the girls. She sees this with its pros and cons but she cannot help but to be kind of mad.
Chaeyoung is feeling optimistic about them but doesn’t believe then fully.
Tzuyu would prefer to change the whole management tbh as they all think with their buttholes rather than their minds. They all think about money and while it can be food think, it doesn’t benefit her at all.
jype's plan for skz' solo paths: from bang chan to i.n.
10 of pentacles, judgement • queen of swords
JYPE’s intentions for Chan and Changmin’s solo careers are identical (quite great intentions in fact) with the difference that Changmin seems to be unaware of this. Like he’s their secret weapon?
the sun • 4 of wands
For Lee Know they’re very happy to do whatever he wants to. I see collaborations?
judgement, 10 of pentacles • queen of swords
(almost identical to chan)
7 of pentacles rx • the world
For Hyunjin however are very impatient, they want everything to happen very fast, they seem to be obsessed and they appearantly want him to be that idol who will sell out everything very fast.. They might want him to debut solo first, similar to Nayeon? Not sure.
the hermit rx • queen of wands
Han and Felix are basically trapped, JYPE’s intentions are to not focus on them individually at all.
knight of swords rx • 2 of wands
(similar to Han)
page of pentacles • 6 of wands
Their intentions towards Seungmin’s solo activities are good but they’re yet to be revealed to me, this seems very fresh.
strength • 3 of cups
It’s similar with I.N. (as Seungmin). I see however with the maknae something related to collaborations too.
(both in ive) wonyoung and yujin's thoughts on each other?
Wonyoung towards Yujin: 2 of pentacles • 2 of swords rx
Wonyoung’s cautious about Yujin, her thoughts are neutral but with warning from her side.
Viceversa: page of pentacles • 6 of wands
On the other side, Yujin sees Wonyoung as someone who’s by her side and makes her happy.
hailey bieber's thoughts on selena gomez
page of pentacles • 6 of wands
To Hailey Selena is dedicated person and that makes her happy. She’s not envious at all!
le sserafim's thoughts on yujin (ive) (asked for chaewon and sakura)
king of wands rx • 6 of cups
Their personalities are clashing so Chaewon might not match with Yujin at all. Despite that, she acknowledges her and what they’ve been through both. Nothing else.
strength, 8 of swords rx • temperance
Very balanced and courageous person who can do anything she wants to. I don’t see anything else.
le sserafim's thoughts on wonyoung
Starting from Sakura, then Chaewon and everyone else
5 of wands rx • queen of pentacles
Sakura’s thoughts are neutral to me.
10 of wands rx, 4 of swords rx • page of swords
Chaewon however is the most pessimistic of all - overwhelming, exhausting person.
the chariot rx • 6 of swords
Yunjin would prefer to move on from this topic as she thinks Wonyoung is too confusing.
9 of cups • 2 of pentacles
Kazuha is the most positive of all, she likes very much Wonyoung and loves how she balances her personal life with her job.
the chariot • 6 of swords
Eunchae likes Wonyoung’s willpower and ambitions to do anything. Simple as that.
americans' thoughts on trump's presidency
5 of wands rx • queen of pentacles
they would prefer to move on, they appreciate what trump has done in these 4 years but up to that. the opinions can be mixed or are neutral. nothing in between.
skz' hyunjin's thoughts on wonyoung
ace of pentacles rx • 9 of pentacles
very independent person who looks over how much she earns too much. he might be aware of her salary or sth like that.
gaeun's feelings of reuniting in a way with sakura, chaewon and yunjin
3 of cups, the chariot • 6 of swords
she was very happy to reunite with them in some way! only positive thoughts. well, there’s nothing much apart from that.
brief career look for jinwoo (winner, 2024)
8 of wands rx, 8 of swords rx, 5 of swords • death
he’s on survival mode. since he was in the military, he might want to work but cannot do it as properly as he wants to. there’s serious issues with yge for his solo career overall..
lee know, sullyoon, dynamics reading
the star rx, 10 of pentacles, the chariot rx • 7 of wands
they’re trying to be strictly colleguaes but their personalities are clashing too much. therefore, they might not work together even when they have to because of these conflicts they have.
15th august 2023
mingyu, solo gigs
he might be:
- brand ambassador (individually)
- act in any form
- have more photoshoots than usual
- be active on weverse, tiktok and instagram
- jiggling many activities in once
- traveling more regarding his solo activities
- self-compose songs
- doing unordinary, one of a kind content
- accused of racism
- involved in scandal/s and rumors
- calling out something or someone
matthew, solo gigs
he might do:
- OSTs
- collaborations in any form
- something that he owns, something he has done (basically anything, this is about solo activities!!)
- more posts on x, bubble and youtube
- many activities in once
- more activities both in south korea/canada and outside of these countries, he’ll manage them just fine
he also might:
- break a law
- be recognised from people in any way
- do any philanthropy actions
what kind of brand momo will be brand ambassador?
Type: queen of cups, judgement rx, knight of cups • 3 of swords rx
behind the scenes they’re too critical, perhaps they might be perfectionists. they seem to be balanced, so it can be big brand.
when: 4 hearts, 2 hearts, 4 diamonds, 8 clubs, 6 diamonds
Between a few days and 4 months if there’s offer for her that’s already accepted.
16th august 2023
korean government's thoughts on minors debuting in the k-pop industry?
ace of swords, 5 of pentacles rx • the lovers
They’re actually neutral to me as they see that this is the dreams of the children (to be idols). They accept that it’s their own choice so they’re not forcing them to have stronger opinions about this. They aren’t mad or have intentions to make them moneymakers or something like that so yeah, quite neutral opinion. They seem to support their dreams.
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this is an interview with rodnae chikk bell, one of the songwriters from the very first sm songwriting camp in 2013 with harvey mason jr. she wrote the melodic toplines for songs like mr. mr. overdose don't call me kick it favorite and also tracks for taeyeon boa and red velvet.
she talks about the process of writing mr. mr. at length and it's super illuminating. at this point it was the very first time they got a group of US songwriters on these kpop tracks and this rly marked a turning point in the kpop industry. she talks about how kenzie was at this camp telling them to never be predictable and chikk researched more about harmonies and minor scales and started leaning into unusual and interesting melodies that have ended up defining sm's style and influencing the entire kpop genre. she also talks about how she fought for better pay for songwriters within the industry and how things are better now because of it.
her stories were rly interesting! i loved hearing about the songwriting process for mr. mr. and how she didn't even know what kpop was back then. she said that in the US her songs would be sold but not released on albums but she got two #1 hits (mr. mr. and overdose) on the very first try when she had no idea where these songs would end up. i feel like chikk and the other writers and producers of the early sm camps are rly important historically for tracking and appreciating the evolution of the kpop sound and how it's different and more interesting than US pop a lot of the time. rn as kpop has entered the global mainstream the trends seem to be backing away from the need for unpredictability into a more U.S. radio friendly sound but this 2nd/3rd gen experimentation that chikk was a part of forming is rly one of the best parts of kpop.
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VIOLA (비올라) is a South Korean-New Zealand singer, dancer and songwriter belonging to the now disbanded Big Hit girl group LE FLEURS. She made her solo debut on the 3rd of February 2023.
Stage Name: Viola Birth Name: Viola Ha-Neul Kwon Korean Name: Kwon Ha-Neul Birthday: Dec 26, 1993 Zodiac Sign: Capricorn Height: 163cm (5 ft 3) Weight: 45 kg (101 lbs) Blood Type: O- MBTI Type: INFJ Ethnicity: Korean-New Zealand European Solo Fandom: Violettes Instagram: @/violaverse - masterlist coming soon Youtube: Viola Kwon Twitter: @/viola-verse - masterlist coming soon Weverse: @/violakwon
Viola Facts: – Viola was born in Wellington, New Zealand. – She has 3 younger brothers, twins Simon (Su-Han) & Robert (Chan - 1994), Michael (Seong-Yu - 1997), and Daisy (Mun-Hee - 2016). – She is cousins with SEVENTEEN's Hoshi (Kwon Soonyoung). – Her dad is Korean and Mum is NZ European. – Her family moved around a lot until they moved to South Korea when she was 11. – She said in an interview that if she wasn't a kpop idol she would be a photographer or dance teacher. – She loves songwriting and said she finds it therapeutic. – She loves doing anything creative like painting, making friendship bracelets, and arts and crafts with her nieces and nephew. – She was 14 (2007) when she started as a trainee. She was under Cube Entertainment before moving to Big Hit three years later (2010) with fellow Le Fleurs member Lee Jun-Ha . – She is trained in ballet, hip-hop and contemporary dance. – She was 8 when she started playing piano and 3 when she started ballet. – She gets her name Viola from her grandmother (Violet) on her mother's side. – Is fluent in Korean and English. She can speak some Japanese but isn't confident in her ability to speak it. – She loves taking photos and is often seen with a camera in her hand when she's not working – She debuted with her group Le Fleurs on Jan 16th 2014. They disbanded after three years (Sept 09th 2017). – Despite having not been a kpop idol since her group disbanded, she has many connections in the kpop world due to working for Hybe. – She broke her ankle in April 2017 and went on hiatus. Her group disbanded 5 months later. – She is still close friends with Le Fleurs Unnies Lee Jun-Ha and Lee Su-Jo. – She is credited on two songs that she co-wrote with Suga (BTS) in their trainee days. The two have been close friends since they met in 2010. One of the songs is featured on the Le Fleurs debut album. – She's close with the BTS and TXT members. – After she finished her rehab on her ankle, Big Hit offered her a job helping train the new trainees (2018). She also helps with choreography and has worked with some of HYBE's groups, including TXT & her cousin's group SEVENTEEN. – She loves Lego and will spend hours putting together a Lego kit. – She's good friends with Hwasa (Mamamoo). There group promotions often aligned with each others so they quickly formed a friendship. – She was an athletic child and played cricket and netball in primary school. – In a poll, she was voted most biased in her group but she thinks she's the least biased. – She wanted to be an actress until she moved to South Korea and got more into KPOP. – She hates aegyo but would always give in to her fans and do it. – She loves kids and has said hopes to have a family of her own one day. – On Dec 15th Big Hit announced that Viola, after 6 years, will be making her debut as a soloist in early 2023. They are quoted saying, "After a lot of convincing, former Le Fleur's member, Viola Kwon, will be debuting as a soloist early next year. No set date has been announced yet. Please go show her lots of support."
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hullo!
Ive just listened to the latest ep of the pod, it was wonderful!! Halla's point on how parasocialiaty is defined by what it lacks, to be very insightful , ive always had a slight issue with how parasocial relationships r discussed in scholarship and the rapidly changing nature of media does not help.
when u guys were talking about how different artists develop different styles of parasocial relationships with their fans, like how the nature of a harries relationship with harry styles is in a way different from the parasocial relationship we have with matty or the relationships swifties have with taylor. And how artist actively foster these relationships so in a way they are a two-way street (please lmk if I'm misunderstanding ur points, cause I'm listening to the pod at work so I may miss some key info),
Anyway, this reminded me of a convo I had with a prof of mine, we were talking about the narrative and meta-narratives that artists (specifically singer-songwriters) present to the public (cause all famous people r presenting a narrative that's y they're famous)
I think this narrative/ meta-narrative really affects the establishment and nature of the artist/ audience parasocial relationship. I think that for an artist to be "stan-able" they must present a meta-narrative, so there is,, something MORE for the fans to know about them. For example, Ed Sheeran and Coldplay have huge fanbases and can play arenas but don't really have stans because they only present a narrative (i.e. the music/ album). Whereas artists like Harry styles and most kpop groups actively foster a parasocial relationship by presenting a narrative (i.e. the music/ album) then a meta-narrative, for harry this would be his vague allusions to queerness, for kpop groups this would be the slow reveal of their real personalities (cause a lot of kpop groups r given explicit "roles" by their management like "the cool one" "the childish one" "the leader" etc). This meta-narrative allows for dedicated fans to "know" the artist better than fan who "just" listen to the songs. Personally, i think matty presents a third kind of "post-meta- narrative" so his narrative is the album then his meta-narrative is the onstage/in-interview performance art then his post-meta-narrative is his reflection on the performance art. I think the main difference between artists who have a meta-narrative and artists who have a post-meta-narrative is that we don't know what harry styles the person thinks about "harry styles" the performance, whereas id argue that we know what matty the person thinks about "matty healy" the performance.
I dont have a super cohesive point to end on but I do think that matty presenting a post-meta-narrative gets lost in translation when the 1975 gets exposed to wider audiences (like the swiftes) who take the red-pilled, toxic masculinity, meta-narrative Matty presents, as the end all be all.
anyways, i LOVE the pod, i hope yall keep it up and have fun doing it!!!
first off OMG HI IM JUST SEEING THIS SORRY IF YOU SENT IT A WHILE BACK! It’s Halla btw lmao. seconddddd, okay that’s a very good point you’re making about Stan-able celebrities, so to speak. Because, as we were talking, in the back of my head, I was thinking about my second favorite artist, Father John Misty, whose music is lowkey similar to the 1975 in a lot of ways. And it’s definitely shaped me as a person a lot. He’s been my top artist on Spotify wrapped stats for years. HOWEVERRR, I don’t have the same relationship to him/ his art as Matty and the 1975. I think it’s precisely because of the meta-narrative that you’re pointing to!
perhaps that’s part of what Matty has in mind when he says “feeling personally addressed.” Even little things like referencing their own earlier discography or tongue-in-cheek jokes about lyrics. “You can’t figure out a heart you were lyin’” “it’s just like I’ve lost my head.” Not to mention Notes tracks that have samples of ABIIOR in the back/ signaling the end of Music For Cars era etc. all of those things feel like building a narrative that the fan can participate in, and is likely to make you more immersed in the music and the artist. So yeah 100% I think this is a really great thought and if you don’t mind us referencing it on the next ep (it’s gonna be a part 2 of this conversation but more centered around consumerism in fan culture) I’d love to bring it up with Zoe!
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I'm saying this with all my love and respect because I do love Idle members and most of their music but they should educate themselves on the topic of female songwriting and producing in kpop before speaking because it's a lot more nuanced than they're making it sound.
Having said that, SOOJIN! I'm late in finding out but OMG, it's incredible! She's so strong and brave and I'm so looking forward to having her back, I never imagined it could be possible! I thought about a possible reunion after Idle's contract is up but never this! Cube must be seething! And if she and Idle ever happen to be on the same show? Like how is it even going to go? Would they interact? Would they talk? I feel like my head is going to explode, wow
Personally I’m not the best with any producing history in kpop and I don’t follow any groups prior to 2018. But soyeon is recognized as a groundbreaking producer. She fought tooth and nail for every song since debut. She has mentioned how difficult it was specifically because she was a woman as she started to show interest in it. She has earned her fame and rights to brag. And whenever I see Yuqi and Minnie talking about producing they just sound so proud of it? That they can do it (both in terms of being able to make music and having earned the opportunity / right to do so). I don’t see any issue with them being vocal about how proud they are. I’m not sure I’m getting my point across because I’m not sure I even understand what you mean by nuanced? Like the way I’m interpreting I just don’t think they need to be defensive about it in terms of “oh we produce but x and y did it too” or “oh we produce but we understand it’s one in a million companies who will even give women this opportunity” I don’t think they need to explain and excuse themselves at every turn, and can and should just be loudly happy about it. The more natural they make it sound then maybe more groups will have this opportunity. If this was not what you meant or you want to give me further details please feel free to do so.
About SOOJIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m trying to be soooooooooo cool but like. I don’t think I have fully processed it yet. Obviously I dreamed but realistically I didn’t think she would even want to come back. I’m still holding a grudge against knetz and I don’t even trust them to do this solo debut right. But her Instagram had a very good response, so hopefully her debut will go smoothly and she will be 4th and 5th gen main slayer and truly the industry needs her. About her and the rest of the members public interactions im sure cube will spend a lot to backlist her at least from m countdown. There’s simply no way they’re gonna let miyeon interview Soojin or something or let any other member be spotted in a 2km radius near her. Her own team will probably avoid comebacks near each other if they’re smart. I do say this about public interactions though cause I’m still certain they’re all friends privately.
#im a little tired at the moment so I’m not sure if anything in here makes sense#I’ve had a rough rough day#answered#anonymous
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BTS 방탄소년단 August 2023
August 2023 part 5
19th August - 23rd August 2023
Jin - 317 days (10 months 12 days - 45 weeks 2 days ) until discharge from military (221213 - 240612)
JHope - 444 days (1 year 2 months 17 days - 14 months 17 days - 63 weeks 3 days ) until discharge from military (230418 - 241017)
August
19 August
Twitter: Big Hit (1) Instagram: Big Hit (1). RM (1), (2). (3).
230819 | Jimmy Fallon instagram story (1).
230819 | JK x Sirius XM interview (1).
230819 | JK x CK IG story (1).
230819 | Kpop boy group member brand reputation (August 2023): 1. BTS Jungkook. 2. BTS Jimin. 4. BTS V. 12. BTS Suga. 13. BTS Jin. 16. BTS RM. 17. BTS J-Hope. (1).
230819 | j-hope 'Jack In The Box (HOPE Edition)' Jacket Photo Sketch (1).
230819 | [EPISODE] j-hope ‘Jack In The Box (HOPE Edition)’ Jacket Shoot Sketch - BTS (방탄소년단)
20 August
Instagram: RM (1), (2). Tae (1), Weverse: RM (1), (2).
230820 | Tae x W Korea (1).
230820 | The Tonight Show x Jimin (1)
230820 |[n월의 석진] Message from #Jin : Aug 2023 (1). (2).
230820 | Tae weverse live (1).
21 August
Instagram: RM (1)
230821 | Seoul Tourism Organization (1). (2). (3). (4)
230821 | "Love Me Again" by #V won its 1st Melon Weekly Popularity Award (1).
230821 | SUGAㅣAgust D D-DAY TOUR Stage Photo Sketch (1).
22 August "Blue" by V Official Teaser 1
Instagram: Tae (1). Tik Tok : Tae x New Jeans Tik Tok (1), (2)
230822 | "Blue" by V Official Teaser 1 released (1). (2)
230822 | SEVEN Billboard IG (1). Global 200 #1 (2). Global 200 excl US #1 (3). "#Seven" by #Jungkook (ft. Latto) remains at #1 (=) on Spotify Global Chart with 7,714,483 filtered streams for 38 consecutive days (4).
230822 | LMA and Rainy Day on Billboard Global excl US Love Me Again #6 and Rainy Days #8 (1).
Billboard Global 200 #12- LoveMeAgain and #16- RainyDays (2).
Billboard Digital Song Sales US #3- LoveMeAgain and #4- RainyDays (3). (Billboard)
Billboard Hot 100 #96- LoveMeAgain (4)
Billboard bubbling under -#18 Rainy Days (5)
Spotify - "Love Me Again" by #V at #21 (+-2) with 2,583,341 (filtered) streams & "Rainy Days" by #V at #48 (-5) with 1,936,604 (filtered) streams on Spotify (6)
Billboard Artist 100 #30 (RE) #V [NEW PEAK] (7)
Billboard World Digital Song Sales #1 Love Me Again (8)
230822 | DEPARTURE V (BTS), Gimpo International Airport (1). (2).
230822 | Seoul Tourism x Tae (1).
230822 | Jimin x Samsung Mobile (1).
230822 | Tae x Arena Homme+ Korea (1). (2). (3). (interview)
230822 |Tae x W Korea (1). (2) (interview)
230822 BTS Land Season2, Ep.07 (1)
230822 BANGTANTV uploaded Jungkook @ BBC Radio 1 Live Lounge and BBC The One Show Seven @ Live Lounge (1). -Let There Be Love: (2) -Seven @ The One Show (3)
23 August
Instagram: Big Hit (1). RM (1), (2). (3). Tae (1), (2).
230823 | [EPISODE] 'Don’t ever say love me (Feat. RM of BTS)' Live Clip Sketch - BTS (방탄소년단)
230823 |Blvsh and chris James like crazy's songwriters "they hold the plaque of Like Crazy‘s #1 on Hot 100" (1)
230823 | Tae x Esquire Korea x Celine event in Japan (1). Elle Japan (2). (3). Elle Taiwan (4) Elle Singapore (5). (6). (7) Harper’s Bazaar Korea (8) Harper’s Bazaar Japan(9) Elle Thailand (10).
230823 | Jimin x Samsung Mobile (1).
230823 | SEVEN #1 Tope Global songs - Spotify (1).
230823 |Tae x Seoul Tourism (1).
#BTSAugust2023part5#BTSAugust2023#BTS#방탄소년단#namjoon#RM#seokjin#jin#yoongi#SUGA#hoseok#jhope#jimin#taehyung#BTSV#jungkook#bts history#bts content#bts archive#bangtan soyeondan#archive purple#purple archive#v layover
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Who’s Cha Eunwoo
Dong Min (이동민; born Mar 30, 1997), better known as Cha Eunwoo (차은우), is a South Korean actor, model, singer, and member of the Kpop group Astro under Fantiago Entertainment. He made his debut as an actor in the movie My Brilliant Life in 2014. He debuted with Astro on Feb 23, 2016.
Drama and Movie
As known, besides being an idol, eunwoo also gives more focus to his career on the big screen. Here's a list of drama (1), drama (2), and movie.
Career
Before coming into the music industry, Cha Eunwoo first made appearance as an actor. He played a minor role in drama film My Brilliant Life (2014).
To further his career, this Aries man joined an entertainment company called Fantagio. He was in a talent development program iTeen.
In 2015, Cha Eunwoo and five other iTeen Boys starred in web series titled To be Continued. These six are part of new boy band Astro.
This Astro members made another TV appearance in their own reality show Astro OK! Ready. It was aired in January 2016 on MBC Every1.
Just a month later, he made his debut with Astro with the release of EP Spring Up. Public receptions was good and the album managed to debut at number four on Gaon Album Chart.
Other than that, Spring Up also charted on Billboard World Albums Chart at number six.
Cha Eunwoo’s name began to soar as he starred in romantic comedy series Gangnam Beauty (2018).
He got the leading role as Do Kyung Seok, a handsome and wealthy college student with an unhappy home life.
This talented actor got lots of attention for his portrayal and was included in GQ Korea’s Men of the Year.
In 2021, Cha Eunwoo starred in another popular TV series True Beauty. He played the male lead Lee Su-ho, a seemingly perfect high school student with a dark secret.
This man from Gunpo also took part in the drama’s soundtrack, releasing a song titled Love So Fine.
Profile
Real Name: Lee Dong Min (이동민)
Stage Name: Cha Eunwoo (차은우)
Nickname: Morning Alarm, White Tee Guy, Face Genius
Birthday: March 30, 1997
Birthplace: Sabon District, Gunpo, Gyeonggi Province, South Korea
Zodiac Sign: Aries
Nationality: Korean
Position: Vocalist, Visual, Face of The Grou (ASTRO)
Profession: Singer, Songwriter, Actor
Education: Hanlim Multi Arts High School, Sungkyunkwan University: Acting Major
Hobbies: Watching movies, Listening to music, Playing piano
Specialties: Swimming, Guitar, Violin, Piano, DJ-ing
Instagram: @eunwo.o_u
Tiktok: @at_chaeunwoo
Height, Weight, & Physical Appearance
Height: 183 cm (6’0″)
Weight: 73 Kg (161 lbs)
Blood Type: B
Hair Color: Dark brown
Eye Color: Brown
Body Measurements: 43-32-36 (Bust -43, Waist -32, and Hips -36 inches)
Shoe Size: 9 (US)
Facts
In the morning, Eunwoo would wake up his fellow members. This earns him the nickname Morning Alarm.
His other nickname is White Tee Guy because he used to always wear white t-shirts during the Breathless era.
He is someone who looks chic but very loyal.
He was in KBS 9AM/PM News called Hallyu Star & Gangnam Style: Trainee Interview back in 2014.
This vocalist went to the Philippines in grade 4 for around six months to study English. During that time, he attended an elementary school in Tagaytay.
Growing up, his mother made sure he would remain humble by saying “Don’t be vain” and “You’re not good looking”.
He and Moonbin were in Mr.Pizza’s iTeen Audition Promotional Model in 2013.
He was the face of Shara Shara, a cosmetic company for the duration of 2014-2015.
Among all the members, Eunwoo is the best at speaking English, along with Jinjin.
He was the fourth trainee to be introduced by Fantagio iTeen with Photo Test Cut.
In summer, he often wears tank top.
This Aries man is seen as the smartest among his fellow Astro members.
His favorite football team is Real Madrid.
He loves eating at night.
He can play several instruments, such as piano, flute, guitar, and violin.
This K-pop idol picks blue as his favorite color.
He likes watching movies alone, playing with his tablet, and watching performance videos.
He thinks he is not very good at relationship.
Eunwoo looks up to Seo Kang Jun of 5urprise. They are said to be close friends.
He also idolizes EXO.
He is friends with Mingyu from Seventeen.
This singer is in a 97 liners group chat with Jungkook of BTS, Seventeen’s members The8, Mingyu, and DK, GOT7’s Yugyeom and Bambam, and also Jaehyun of NCT.
He was featured in Urban Zakapa‘s music video for You’re The Reason.
He has done two special stages where he sang Justin Bieber’s Love Yourself and U-KISS’ Man Man Ha Ni.
The man from Gunpo was involved in writing the song No, I Don’t with Rocky and Jinjin.
He has been in several variety shows like Law of the Jungle in New Caledonia, Dead if Shot, Handsome Tigers, and Master in the House.
He would like to be a doctor or teacher if he’s not in the entertainment and music industry.
If Eunwoo was born a girl, he would like to date Jinjin.
He has his own room in the dorm.
His ideal type is a girl who is wise, intelligent, and curious.
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🎤 kpopping: Artist Spotlight: Interview With Moon Jong Up
Moon Jong Up, a name synonymous with artistry and growth, has once again captured the hearts of fans with his latest mini-album, PETER. From his early days as a member of the legendary group B.A.P to his evolution as a solo artist, Jong Up has continually showcased his unique blend of talent, creativity, and authenticity. PETER marks a new chapter in his musical journey, one that reflects his growth and maturity both as an artist and an individual. In this exclusive interview, Moon Jong Up shares his thoughts on the creative process behind PETER, his experiences as a solo artist, and what fans can expect from him in the future. After a long and eventful career, Moon Jong Up continues to surprise fans with his creativity and dedication. His latest mini-album, PETER, is not just another release but a statement of his artistic journey. You released a single and a new mini-album PETER just recently! Can you tell us more about this comeback?
This is my third mini-album. It's an album that portrays my identity and the process of my growth in a slightly more mature way. The single "Love Bomber" expresses the process of transformation through its music video. To embrace further growth and welcome a new version of myself, I used my English name, "Peter," to symbolize letting go of my past self.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Kp5AspkNGRk?si=8-hvYqRtPYn2Zdyt How would you describe your solo career journey so far? How was it different from being in a group?
Solo activities were really challenging. Just as there’s nothing I can achieve on my own, I’ve realized how important it is to work together with many passionate people. I learned that it takes a lot of effort to make that happen. Over the past five years, I faced many difficulties during all my album production processes, but this album was the most challenging yet rewarding experience. I was so happy all the way through to the final concert! As for group activities, I think most of the burden fell on our leader, Yongguk-hyung. Thanks to him, being part of the team feels like a haven for me, filled with joy.
Can you tell us about a defining moment in your journey as an artist so far?
Of course, it was about taking on the challenge of a survival program. I gave a lot of thought before deciding to participate in Peak Time. In the end, the determination that allowed me to take on the challenge was, "Let's confirm my worth." It was a time when I was doubting myself, and I felt that if I couldn't truly prove myself here, this wouldn’t be something I could just say I wanted to do anymore.
You have released quite a lot of music throughout your long and successful career. Among all of the music that you have made, do you have a favorite? If so, can you tell us why?
I have a lot of songs that I like. But I think the one that is most similar to my taste would be ‘US’.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/GvDQlW7yYNc?si=63JZR8EqOzWveT-b We are so excited for what’s more to come for Moon Jong Up! Can you tell us your goal or mission? What is the biggest dream or achievement that you really want to reach?
First, I think the most important thing is to make many albums that will show me without rushing. It will be great if people who get to find me, even if it’s in the later stage, to listen to all my albums and have fun as though they’re watching a movie.
While many know Moon Jong Up as a skilled performer and songwriter, he also has a unique personality and hobbies that fans adore. In this section, we learn more about the man behind the microphone. Everyone is curious to know what kind of person Moon Jong Up is behind the cameras and microphones. How would you describe yourself and your personality?
I think I get along well with many people in a friendly way. Also, I’m the type who feels like I need to do what I want, and I’m pretty stubborn.
Which artists from both Korea and the international music industry inspired you to become a musician? Which artist do you wish to collaborate with?
I feel like I’m learning from many different artists in different ways. As for collaborations, it’ll be great to do it with a wide range of artists.
Outside of your activities as a musician, what kind of hobbies do you enjoy in your free time?
I mostly spend my time watching animations or documentaries.
What keeps Moon Jong Up inspired to keep pushing your music career further?
At first it was various music and movies, but now it feels like it’s just life itself.
How do fans inspire your work? Do you have any memorable interactions with fans that have stuck with you?
In the end it’s the fans who enjoy listening to my music and supporting me, so each moment is about them. I always feel like we’re in this together.
Moon Jong Up’s mini-album PETER is a testament to his growth as an artist. Here, he delves into the inspiration and effort behind the music. Now let’s focus on his 3rd mini-album PETER! https://open.spotify.com/embed/album/60oBpKLVyNzGLfdge00qlx?utm_source=generator What was the creative process behind ‘PETER’ like?
First of all, I was able to gain a better understanding of the system through the process. It was fascinating to watch how my small ideas and imagination started and eventually came to life. The more people contributed, the more innovative the final result became, which made it even more exciting.
Do you have a song from the album that feels more sentimental to you than the rest?
The song "Feel Me" is the one I had the most hands-on involvement with from start to finish, so it feels the closest to me. I can vividly feel the emotions and the memories I had when writing it.
https://open.spotify.com/embed/track/66rQH3Jl8xevqhjZ8r9YVS?utm_source=generator You composed some of the tracks on this mini album which is very impressive! What is your favorite part of being able to compose and write your own songs?
The greatest joy comes from pursuing the things I want to do, one by one. It’s exciting to bring my ideal self and my story from my imagination to life.
Is there any genre of music that you want to try making in the future?
I’ll have to think more about the genre, but I think the track is important. I’m imagining myself dancing along to the rhythm of a not-so fast and cool track.
How do you want listeners to feel when they hear the album ‘PETER’ for the first time?
I want to let them hear the truth about myself and my feelings when I'm not on stage. Like telling them what kind of person I am, and so the fans and I can understand each other better and feel closer.
What is the most fulfilling part of being a musician? What about the most challenging part?
It’s satisfying to know that as I gain a deeper understanding of what I do, I’m able to share my story in greater detail. To make that happen, I feel like I need to learn more and stay more active.
As the interview wraps up, Moon Jong Up shares final thoughts and messages for his fans and what lies ahead for him.
Kpopping readers! I hope you’ll like my new EP PETER that tells my story, and keep your eyes on me while I keep growing.
What could we expect from Moon Jong Up’s future plans or activities?
As for future activities, I’m always in talks with my management and we’re preparing behind the scenes videos to share with the fans, it’ll be fun.
"the more you face challenges on your own, the more you’ll eventually be able to find your own answer." Moon Jong Up’s journey as an artist is a story of growth, resilience, and creativity. Through his mini-album PETER, he invites fans to witness his evolution and connect with him on a deeper level. Fans can look forward to even more exciting projects from this talented artist as he continues to push boundaries and redefine his artistry. https://www.youtube.com/embed/XgcoxvbLBz0?si=QGGmIXDvW5KfUJ6I
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DPR IAN's full story: unique journey, new music & finding happiness
The Allison Hagendorf Show | Spotify Podcast
September 6, 2024 | 1 hr 11 min |
Episode Description
Allison sits down with singer, songwriter, dancer, producer, director, and visual artist, DPR IAN, who makes music you can see and feel and creates his own audiovisual language to express his unique creative vision. He recently put out his self produced EP Saint for which he also creates and directs all the videos and is currently on his “Dream Reborn” World Tour. They talk all about his musical journey, the lessons learned from accidentally becoming the leader of the K-Pop group, C Clown, his multifaceted talent, and the unique path he is paving to celebrate all of it.
#DPRIan #DPR #TheAllisonHagendorfShow #Saint #KPop #CClown #Australia
00:00 - Show Open
02:20 - DPR Ian Interview
05:11 - Origins
07:58 - Starting a Band & Drumming & Dancing
11:07 - Packaging Experiences
12:20 - YouTube & Dance Tutorials
13:54 - Leaving Sydney
16:33 - Going to Korea
18:38 - K-Pop
24:10 - Lessons Learned & Low Points
26:01 - Bipolar Disorder
29:18 - K-Pop High Point
31:23 - Directing
32:48 - DPR Is Born
38:54 - The Music
41:13 - Cats The Musical & Theatrics
45:39 - Don’t Go Insane, Daft Punk & Fans
52:24 - Choreography
55:04 - New Music
56:20 - Mental State
59:25 - Deep Cuts
1:10:07 - Outro
#2024#2024 interview#interview#dpr interview#christian yu#dpr ian#dpr#dream perfect regime#the allison hagendorf show#Allison Hagendorf#podcast#spotify podcasts#saint#cclown#Spotify
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dARE's Jane on Songwriting, Career, and Change
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Welcome back to Kpopping, our weekly column for K-pop fans, stans, newbies, and casuals alike! Every week, our team publishes articles and interviews to keep you all up to date with the latest news from Seoul, insider glimpses into the industry, and more! Also, don’t forget to subscribe to our newsletter at dailybugle.net!
- Cindy Moon, 25 October 2023, 1:00 p.m. EST
Jane, full name Sunwoo Ji-min, was born and raised in Queens, New York City, going by the English name Mary Jane Watson as a child.
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Idk why something always seems a bit off about txt performances for me. Maybe bc they don't always seem to fit their concept? Or some of them fit it more than others? Sometimes they don't seem like a cohesive group or like there's something missing. They're so popular and keep getting more successful, so I always try to check out their new music, but I can't seem to get the hype. Most other successful bgs I understand why people see the full package in them, even if I don't stan, but it doesn't click with me with txt and I don't find their performances very memorable. I hope this doesn't come across as me hating on them bc I really want to like them since they seem nice
I think every single time TXT drop a new song or I watch their performances I comment on this. TXT don't really have star appeal to me. There's nothing exceptionally charming or attractive about them. They don't particularly stand out in variety shows, interviews, or their own content; none of the members, even Yeonjun, stands out to me individually outside the stage; their styling is super boring and always the same, not to mention uncool; their choreos are too repetitive and fast paced - I never have the time to appreciate anything since the boys are always transitioning from one move to the next at a steady pace, so nothing sticks out to me, with the choreos lacking dynamic, uniqueness, and being unmemorable, no single member ever having a point move or something that makes me remember them; their performances lack spontaneity and charisma too - they're just well rehearsed but not alive, exciting, hype, different. To me, TXT are a very typical boy group. They aren't any different from most groups who don't have much of a say in their artistic vision, and TXT do have songwriting credits on most albums, but even other groups have a bigger identity and ownership of their group. IVE aren't particularly involved in their artistic output, but already have a stronger brand and a more distinct and recognizable image than TXT. You know who IVE are and the members generally embody the concept of the group well without it seeming fake or too much like a concept. TXT, on the other hand, mostly feel like a group put together by Big Hit with the members just following orders and trying out the concepts they're assigned. It feels more like a business venture and less like a group. TXT have their own image and sound, and the members' bonds bring the group together, but, at the same time, it's like the group doesn't really belong to them and the members could be replaced to create a new TXT, like the concept of TXT is stronger than the group itself. I like the boys, but I can't imagine them ever blowing up. They're not memorable or engaging enough to me. SKZ's success makes so much more sense imo.
I'm not hating on them either, because I like them, but they're missing something for me too.
Thanks for the ask! I like being ask about other kpop groups!
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sorry for the rant but !! so many people have said that if bp disband they only see chaelisa continuing with music as they think they’re the only ones passionate about songwriting or performing and I don’t get it!!! for Jisoo, I do think she loves music and she’ll probably release more stuff someday but obviously rn she’s going into acting next. but I’m just so so so so soooooo confused that people genuinely believe that Jennie doesn’t want to do music.
Jennie is so passionate about music and imo you and me is a great example of how passionate she is. it’s so obvious to me that she put her all into this. she co-wrote the song and kmedia says she produced the performance video too but I’m waiting for further confirmation of that. the entire concept is so clearly Jennie’s idea. a lot of work went into it and it’s not even a proper solo release and I’m not too sure that yg would have done this if it wasn’t for her input. Jennie is so creatively involved with the things she does. she has official credits in both lyrics and production for multiple songs. she was a creative director for born pink. she comes up with concepts (eg you and me). she styled her solo era, her solo stages for both tours, the hylt hanboks, the ktl lara croft outfits, the pv mv, and more. outside of music she has designed 2 gentle monster collections, a calvin klein collection and her own porsche. she helped develop her jentle garden game. she was a guest editor for vogue korea. she was a creative director for her calvin klein campaign. the list goes on!
do they think her not releasing any solo music since 2018 was her choice? when has any idol had complete control over when they release stuff? yg’s inability to plan anything meant that the bp solos were all so far apart which meant Jennie has had to wait 5 years to release her new music. so during that time she had to focus on other non-music things instead and she excelled every time. on top of that yg has limited every female artist they have ever had so we haven’t even seen any of the pinks at their full potential so how can anyone make the judgement on what they’re passionate about when they haven’t really been able to show it yet?
it’s a catch 22 in a way bcs I do feel that people giving her shit all the time has made her less passionate about being a kpop idol. tbh I think anyone else would feel the same if they were in her shoes. it doesn’t matter how often she’s great people will harass her. that being said she still does want to be a kpop idol and in the k-entertainment industry as she’s just been booked as a permanent cast member of a variety show. and even despite all the harassment I don’t think she is any less passionate about music itself.
anw fuck the jensetters that said that releasing you and me would be embarrassing. if anything I think it has just made people more excited for jnk1. and personally I can’t wait to hear it!!
100000% AGREE !!!!! i hate when blinks/akgaes say “only xyz is/are passionate about music” bcs that is so disrespectful, but also ………. jennie ? not passionate about music ? jennie ????????? like u have mentioned with your (perfect!) examples, she is obviously and undeniably very passionate about her craft and loves working on anything creative, whether that is music or fashion!! plus, she’s literally mentioned working on music or wanting to release music in nearly every single interview for years….she obviously cares about music a lot !!!!! the only reason why she hasn’t released more songs is only bcs of yg, not lack of wanting !!!!! it’s just ridiculous to have people doubting whether she’ll keep making music in the future or worrying about the success and quality of jnk1 - her talents span so many different fields, she will do just fine
and yeah :/ i don’t think the constant harassment has made her less passionate per se, i think it’s more that she may have become more hesitant to put stuff out there into the world and might feel somewhat drained when working bcs she already knows that no matter what she does she’ll get harassed…i hope not but i definitely would understand if she felt this way 😕 but like u said, it hasn’t made her less passionate about music itself! maybe she’s less enthusiastic about being an idol sometimes - but that’s a job after all, it’s not the craft itself
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