#killing eve easter theory

[ethan-nestor-owns-my-heart]

To anyone who believed in the killing eve secret 9th episode theory I’m sorry, My bad

[macabre-romantics]

[tinyozlion]

--The Gundam Wing Drinking Game! (*you don’t actually have to drink)--

Happy Eve War Armistice Day, everyone! As we all gather around the warmth of a flickering screen with friends, family, or discord buddies to celebrate the beginning of True Peace between Earth and the Space Colonies-- WHICH WILL SURELY LAST FOREVER-- why not play a little festive anime parlor game? This can be played with beverages, snacks, points, or the penalty/reward system of your choice!

THE CLASSICS— take ONE any time:

1) Someone shouts: "IT’S A GUNDAM!" or "THAT’S A GUNDAM!" 2) Magical Gundam Transformation Sequence 3) The BFG: the buster rifle beam canon does what it does best. 4) Relena Yells At The Clouds 5) "Omae o korosu!": Heero threatens to kill someone and then doesn’t. 6) THAT'S SO FETCH: Duo calls himself the God of Death or says one of his catchphrases. 7) BOOBY TRAPPED: Heavyarms fires its chest missiles. 8) SAFETY FIRST: Quatre wears his goggles. 9) GO-GO-GADGET: Wufei uses the dragon claw extendo-arm.

THE SPECIALS— take TWO whenever the following occurs: 1) A fruit or vegetable is given meaningful screen time. 2) Episode title is the opposite of what occurs in the episode. 3) VA Hall of Shame: a voice actor fumbles a line or really chews the scenery. 4) This Is Big Nose: An impossibly silly military call sign is used. 5) Someone with Special Eyebrows conveys normal information in a straightforward way. 6) FOUND FAMILY: The Maganac Corps shows up to save the day. 7) Bee-bee-bee-bee-bee-bee-bee!

SING ALONG AT HOME— you MUST CHANT whenever:

1) KAIJU SHOT! KAIJU SHOT! a mobile suit looms into view of a window and horrified onlookers. 2) CRAB! CRAB! CRAB! CRAB! any time you see a MS Cancer or its aquatic friend group. 3) CLOWN! CLOWN! CLOWN! CLOWN! any time you see a clown. 4) HEEEEEEROOOOOO: you know what to do. *Stackable with article 1 section 4. 5) PUSH THE BUTTON FRANK: an ominous button is pressed to devastating effect.

POUR ONE OUT— take TWO and go "Oooooo, YIKES!" whenever one of the following occurs:

1) Someone REALLY should have locked their mobile suit hatch. 2) One Day From Retirement: a hapless schmuck gets got immediately after giving the all clear. 3) A gross failure to correctly estimate the impact tolerance of gundanium alloy despite all documented evidence. 4) Heero takes it on the dome or otherwise hits the ground at speed. 5) Duo gets used as a punching bag. 6) The Bright Noah Special: someone gets slapped or hit in the face. 7) Brutality: A mobile suit makes direct lethal contact with a human target. 8) Red Card: a fencing move does damage to a person or their equipment. 9) The Can Opener: Something gets split in half by a beam or heat weapon. 10) Fuck This Thing In Particular: A mobile suit (or other vessel) self detonates-- *stackable with article 3 section 5. 11) Up-Skirt Shot: A mobile suit or its pilot gets an unflattering camera angle.

HALL OF FAME— FIRST ONE TO SPOT one of these gets a freebie:

1) BRAND NAME: shout the Improbable Brand Name™ featured on background signage or product. 2) QUICK CHANGE: A character somehow gets into or out of a space suit off screen with no indication how. 3) GOOD BOY ALERT: There's an animal on screen (end credits don't count). 4) THE FUTURE IS NOW: State of the Art 90's Tech in use. 5) IMPORTANT PERSON SITTING AT A DESK ON THE LEFT SIDE OF A ROOM WITH A LARGE WINDOW BEHIND THEM: An important person sits at a desk on the left side of an empty room with a large window behind them.

EXTRA CREDIT: SLAP THE TABLE and call "DID YOU KNOW" to win a chance to make the FRIEND OF YOUR CHOICE take a penalty-- IF:

1) You can correctly identify one of the main voice actors in a bit role. 2) You spot an easter egg or reference to something from Universal Century. 3) Space Physics Don't Work That Way: you can explain why physics don’t work that way in space. 4) Actually Physics DO Work That Way: you can explain the science or theories behind an element of space tech, tactics, or engineering. 5) You can name a real-world location used on a map or background shot.

Happy holidays, enjoy responsibly, and have fun! -Wesley, and to a lesser extent, Tinylion

[rachelbethhines]

Speed-running Doctor Who - 13th Doctor and the Fugitive Doctor

A quick and dirty guide for those who want to get into the show, but don't want to watch everything from the beginning.

For Those Who Just Wanna Get An Idea of the Era

Kerblam! - S37E7

A good outing for the 'Fam', everyone has something to do and the plot is typical of the era. Politically aware, but perhaps not as left leaning as people would like. Features striking but understated design and has call backs to past stories with out being too continuity heavy

Plot Important Episodes

Entrances, Exits, Enemies, Lore Drops, and Character Development

The Woman Who Fell to Earth - S37E1 (first story to feature the 13th Doctor. Introduces Gram, his grandson Ryan, and Yaz. Also features the recurring villain Tzim-Sha, who becomes Gram's nemesis after he murders his wife Grace)

The Ghost Monument - S37E2 (the Doctor goes on a quest to get her Tardis back and the Fam have their first off-Earth adventure)

Arachnids in the UK - S37E4 ( we meet Yaz's family and are introduced to Robertson, a minor reoccurring antagonist)

Demons of the Punjab - S37E6 (character development for Yaz)

It Takes You Away - S37E9 (character development for Gram and Ryan)

The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos - S37E10 (Gram plans to kill his wife's murder, Tzim-Sha)

Resolution - 2019 New Years Special (Ryan dead beat dad turns up after years of being gone, oh and the Daleks are back)

Spyfall - S38E1&E2 (meet the Dhawan Master, oh and Gallifrey is destroyed again after just getting it back 🙄)

Fugitive of the Judoon - S38E5 (The start of the Fugitive Doctor arc, the return of Captain Jack, and foreshadowing for the season finale)

Can You Hear Me? - S38E7 (character development for everyone and the return of the Eternals)

The Haunting of Villa Diodati - S38E8 (introduces the Lone Cyberman and leads directly into the season finale)

Ascension of the Cybermen/The Timeless Children - S38E9&E10 (ending of the Lone Cyberman arc and introduces the controversial Timeless Child theory into the lore)

Revolution of the Daleks - 2021 New Years Special (Jack break the Doctor out of prison, Robertson joins forces with the Daleks, and it's Ryan's last episode)

The Halloween Apocalypse - S39E1 (start of the Flux arc and we're introduced to Dan, Karvanista, Vinder, Claire, Dan's girlfriend Diane, and the show's newest villains Swarm and Azure, who want to destroy the universe)

War of the Sontarans - S39E2 (The Sontarans have used the Flux disaster to alter time and conquer Earth, we also meet Vinder's wife Bel)

Once, Upon Time - S39E3 (The 13th Doctor regains some of her missing memories and we see how the Fugitive Doctor first defeated Swarm and Azure while working for the Division)

Village of the Angels - S39E4 (we find out what happened to Claire and meet Professor Jericho, the Doctor is captured by the Division)

Survivors of the Flux - S39E5 (the Doctor finally meets the leader of the Division, Tecteun; one of the founders of Time Lord society along side Rassilon and Omega. Tecteun claims to be the Doctor's adopted parent and the inventor of reintegration but the Doctor doesn't remember them. Tecteun is then killed off before the Doctor can discover the truth, meanwhile the Sontarans are still messing with time and working to undermine UNIT in the future)

The Vanquishers - S39E6 (The end of the Flux arc, Swarm and Azure are defeated, the Sontarans are overthrown with the help of UNIT, Karvanista is the sole survivor of his people and leaves the Doctor, blaming her for his misfortune, Vinder and Bel are reunited, Jericho dies, and Claire is returned to her proper place in time, and the Doctor decides that she doesn't want to know about her past anymore)

Eve of the Daleks - 2022 New Years Special (we get are first overt confirmation that Yaz is in love with the Doctor)

Legend of the Sea Devils - 2022 Easter Special (Yaz finally confesses her feelings for the Doctor, who returns them but says she's not interested in starting another romantic relationship and they agree to remain friends)

The Power of the Doctor - The BBC's Centenary Special (sixth multidoctor story, the return of Gram, Ace, Tegan, Kate/UNIT, and Vinder, Dan and Yaz both leave the Tardis, last episode thus far for both the Dhawan Master and Fugitive Doctor, and the 13th Doctor regenerates)

Personal Favorite and Least Favorite Stories

Because one man's trash is another man's treasure and vice versa

Favorite for 13: Rosa - S37E3

Favorite for Fugitive: Power of the Doctor - The BBC's Centenary Special

Least Favorite for 13th: Orphan 55 - S38E3

Least Favorite for Fugitive: Ascension of the Cybermen/The Timeless Children - S38E9&E10

(disclaimer: no spin-offs or extended universe stuff was considered when making this list)

[missamericana-heartbreakprince]

LWYMMD mv easter eggs

Given the recent “cover” of Look What You Made Me Do featured on Killing Eve, in which seems to have been teased in the EW photoshoot, I had another look at the LWYMMD music video. Within the video there seems to be many references to the number three (3 watches placed on the ground, 3 cars in the background, 3 huge chandeliers). I noticed this a while ago but thought nothing of it. Until I realised that this year will mark three years since the LWYMMD mv was released. 

As it aprouches three years since this iconic album was released, Taylor has RERELEASED the rep merch and referenced the albums second track (end game) in a post using three i’s.

If the 15 Taylors theory (relating to each taylor at the end of the LWYMMD mv) is true, that would make the Taylor holding the baseball bat End Game. (The song Taylor refereced the day before announcing The City of Lover concert). This is the same Taylor that, within the music video, says the line “But you’ll all get yours” when talking about Karma. 

Does this all point to, three years later, Taylor giving us Karma (the album)?

Love from Charlie x

[inthemusicandhelpless]

So I’m sat here minding my own business and watching Killing Eve

and I’m kind of thinking that some things look rather familiar Miss @taylorswift

So is that an Easter egg is Killing eve an Easter egg because look

I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT ITS LOOKING VERY ME! To me SWIFT

[anotherday-anothergay]

Ok, this!!! This would be so perfect.

I wish they put THE END ... ?

With a question mark like in marvel movies lol

not only have killing eve stans reached the secret fourth good sherlock episode stage but also none of them seem to know that this has happened before. i love online

[dollsome-does-tumblr]

the conspiracy theories buzzing around about there being a secret ninth killing eve season four episode that’s going to air on easter and bring villanelle back from the dead, as foreshadowed by .... *gestures vaguely at everything villanelle had going on in s4*, are so fun. i know it’s impossible, but is it wrong to want to dream of a better, more utterly bonkers world?

i guess none of us are truly immune to apple tree yard-ing.

[samsdawn]

Killing Eve fans coming up with theories about Easter episode , villanelles bulletproof bra from S1 , 9 EPS on rott tomatoes has got me going crazy and feeling like a clown

[wicked-berry]

4x09 and the clownery

 The most irritating thing that absolutely blows my mind about this hypothetical ep 9 is that its existence would MAKE ABSOLUTE SENSE and could explain at least some things and give us closure.

Why did Carolyn have V killed? (and given they ordered a spin off does it make sense to turn Carolyn to the most hated character. How could the network be benefited from this?)

Who killed Kenny (when Eve an V went at the pub eve said to Carolyn “you knew who killed Kenny” Am i missing something? do we know who killed Kenny?)

Why not kill both with the same bullet when it pierced the chest of V? Eve surviving just doesn’t do it for me. I feel like its still open.

Why they shot the last scenes in public when everyone could film them and the ‘Grand Finale’ could be leaked? when the S3 finale bridge scene was shot In complete secrecy at a studio in front of a green screen?

Why a dead V would help Carolyn get back with her hands full at MI6 and be accepted when the biggest organization and enemy of everyone perished (if we can consider this a fact?

What was about that ‘last dare’ V owed to Carolyn?

Why all the promoting of ‘til death do us apart’ and RIP killing eve and jesusvilanelle (which to me was pretty weird and crazy choice EVEN for KE) and trying to shove all of this THE END stuff down our throats (last minutes were like ‘HERES THE END,TAKE IT AND LEAVE’) if they not intended to do something with it? Even with a bad ending WHY so predictable?

Please don’t mind my clowning at the last stop. Well I’m perfectly aware of the fact that IF there is a secret ep it could be a farewell/docu kind of episode but listed as ‘Requiem’ (mass for the dead in the Roman Catholc Church)  ‘All is not what it seems’ and all this easter ressurection theory with book V using blood bags...maybe we are all reading too much into this but i’m just trying to connect the dots and mentally create a deserving closure cause i’m not accepting what i witnessed with 4x08.

[ethan-nestor-owns-my-heart]

Reposting this In honour of Yellowjackets fans entering their delusional era.

“The Killing Eve Easter Theory” - a masterclass in clownery

I didn’t think it would go this far........

[loving-villanelle]

Different anon here, but you clearly aren’t on the Twitter side if you believe the secret finale thing to only be jokes. I’ve seen multiple teenagers legitimately theorizing about an Easter special. They are dead serious and aren’t just joking around and are excited for this coming Sunday because of popular tweets making the rounds.

This fandom houses a lot of neurodivergent young fans, and it’s not okay to joke about having a secret episode when not everyone is taking it as a joke. This is a mourning period for all of us, but we have to remain realistic. People outside KE fandom already are making fun or our reactions to this.

I'm not promoting this theory nor do I hold any sort of influence over the fandom here or elsewhere. If people are feeding into these theories as truth, I don't have much control over that. Again, I would encourage you to reach out to the people making these posts to let them know of your concerns. I don't really give af about what anybody outside of the KE fandom thinks because they weren't invested in this the way we were. Let's hold the people responsible for the trauma that is causing all this in the first place accountable (Killing Eve, Sid Gentle, AMC, BBC America) instead of pointing the finger at each other

[alexzalben]

Alex, do you think there is any chance of having a surprise ep of killing eve next sunday? there's been a theory about villanelle being resurrected at easter etc. as crazy as it is, I would accept anything that changes those final minutes.

I mean, they couldn't even hide the series finale, as they filmed in one of the busiest locations and just didn't give a shit if people were watching. I don't know if they would have the ability to hide an entire episode after that ending, it would be one of the biggest twists in the series world If they did.

Oh, I love that idea, but Killing Eve is done, for better or worse.

Could a show do a secret bonus alternate ending type video (versus a full, secret episode) and post it on YouTube? Surely. But I do think with Killing Eve in particular they wanted to give it a definitive ending, at least in the real world (in the fictional world, opinions may vary).

[twdmusicboxmystery]

10x22: Here’s Negan - Details

All right. Here are a LOT of details. 

***As always, spoilers abound below for 10x22. Don’t read until you’ve watched!***

We start with Maggie and Hershel walking around Alexandria early in the morning. She calls him “a little rat” affectionately, which I’m side eying. Because of Carol’s rat last episode and because we already established parallels between Hershel and Beth from ep 17 in that he went missing and Maggie and Daryl searched for him.

Then they sing “you are my sunshine” together, which is the same song Carl sang Negan. Because the sun is a Beth symbol, we’ve always seen her in that song. I also wonder if it foreshadows Maggie losing Hershel in some way. I don’t mean him dying, but rather being kidnapped. A lot of us have thought about one or some of the kids being taken at some point, and their parents having to search for them.  

Carol looks out a broken window (Broken Glass Theory) and sees the exchange. So, she leaves Alexandria and takes Negan with her.

Actually, the next thing we see is a dead rabbit she pulls from a snare. The rabbit is SUPER interesting. I answered an Ask HERE about the moon rabbit, and I really love this explanation of the symbol. It makes perfect sense for Beth because the moon rabbit sacrificed itself, which is exactly what Father Gabriel said cryptically in 5x16. “How you sacrificed one of your own….”

Plus the Moon rabbit is resurrected and combines the moon symbol and the rabbit symbol.

So what does it mean in this context? 

Well, I still don’t want to go into too much detail, though I will soon. (I promise.) But if rabbit = Beth, I think this is yet another example of symbolism that points to Negan and Beth having a big arc together later. (And Carol will probably be thrown into the mix.)

That evening, Negan drinks by the fire. What he’s drinking is clearly moonshine. It’s from one of those big glass moonshine bottles. I don’t know where he got it. I looked a second time at the stuff they left for him, and it might be in there, but if so, it isn’t visible. It would certainly be interesting if Daryl left him moonshine, but I don’t see any super-obvious hint at that. If it’s already there in the cabin, well, that’s Leah’s cabin, so….

This is where he sees his old self from the trailer. Some of the dialogue jumps out at me as things Daryl might say about himself. Evil Negan says to his good self, “You are nothing without her.” That sort of thing.

The next day he goes back to the tree with the stained-glass windows where Rick cut his throat. One of the plate glass windows has a hole in it and the other one is lying on the ground. 

My go-to explanation of course is that the one with the hole represents the bullet hole in Beth’s head. (We actually said this of the stained-glass window in Father Gabriel’s church that Sasha shoots a hole in in 5x16 as well.) And I always see someone falling down as a serious injury. So, when Beth belly-flopped in the elevator shaft with Noah, that was a foreshadow of her getting shot. So I’m kind of seeing the window lying flat on the ground in the same way.

Of course, Negan digs up Lucille, and then it goes into the flashbacks.

It starts of course with him being a prisoner of the biker gang. We do think this gang is a parallel of the Claimers from S4. Remember that I said, overall, Negan = Daryl, right? So, this guy (Craven) even kind of looks like Joe Claimer. They dress in a similar fashion, are rough-and-tumble kind of dudes. But also, Negan runs into them after he loses Lucille. He doesn’t realize she’s died at that point, but she has. Just like Daryl ran into the Claimers after being separated from Beth in Alone.

And we immediately see a blue cooler with IV bags inside. They’re Lucille’s chemo treatments. So blue cooler/Frosty Cola symbolism. Plus this can parallel to 6x06 when Daryl accidentally took off with Tina’s medicine when he met Dwight. Basically, these are both pointing to the same thing: a future arc involving Daryl and Beth. There are also 22s on the IV bags. So, 22 theory.

I will say that the format of this episode is a lot like 10x18 because so much of it is flashback. They even use the same font to show the time jumps. The main difference is that with Daryl, they started 5 years ago and then jumped forward, toward the present. Here, they actually move backward first and then forward again.

So it’s like a swinging pendulum. They go back 12 years to where he’s a prisoner of the bikers. Then it goes back 6 weeks to when he’s with Lucille in their home , and then it jumps back again to before the apocalypse when she first found out she had cancer, which was right about the time the turn happened. And then it moves forward to the two of them together in the house, and then back to him with the bikers.

Okay, so, “12 Years Ago” he’s telling his story to the bikers.

Then it actually says “Two or Three Days Ago” and it’s odd to me that they don’t specify which one it is. Negan says he found the mobile medical clinic 2 or 3 days ago, but there’s got to be a reason they don’t just go with one or the other. Anyway, this is when he found an RV with supplies. He tries to hold the doctor up and Laura (Savior) comes up behind him with a bat and hits him.

We also get a bit of a hallucination theme. When Negan looks at the RV and the dummy guards on the roof, his sight sort of warps in and out like he can’t tell for sure. When he wakes up, he’s also hooked to an IV. (Parallel to Beth at Grady.) The doctor says he was dehydrated, malnourished, and exhausted. So maybe, in addition to all the mental break stuff we’ve already said about Daryl in 10x18, we should add these to the list.

“Six Weeks Earlier” and it shows him and Lucille. The first thing we see is that she tells him he’ll have to kill the walker but he doesn’t want to. He just turns off the generator, hoping it will go.

So, she makes him read Pride and Prejudice to her. The Pride and Prejudice thing is really interesting. He only reads a line or two, but anyone familiar with the story will be able to pick out the scene. Basically, in the story, a man asks Lizzie to marry him and she rejects him. He doesn’t love her or anything. He’s just looking for a “suitable” wife, and she can’t stand him. After she rejects him, her best friend marries him instead. And this friend doesn’t care that it’s not a love match. She just wants to be settled in life.

So the scene Negan reads part of is where the friend, Charlotte, is coming to tell Lizzie that she’s marrying him instead. This is the part Negan reads:

"I see what you are feeling," replied Charlotte. "You must be surprised, very much surprised--so lately as Mr. Collins was wishing to marry you. But when you have had time to think it over…”

Here’s the thing. No way they’re putting dialogue from such a well-known book like this into the show without reason. And I know they said on TTD that it’s supposed to be an Easter Egg for Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. Fair enough, but it’s not enough of an explanation for me. In the past, there have been things Nicotero has labelled as homages to various horror films, and I’m sure that’s true, but they’re also clearly Beth symbolism.

So, you could say that Pride and Prejudice and Zombies applies to Negan and Lucille. It’s a true love story, but zombies are thrown in. That works. But why this particular passage? It’s about NOT marrying for love, or the passing of a man’s offer of marriage from one woman to another. None of that applies to Negan and Lucille. It would have made more sense to have him read a different passage between Lizzie and Darcy, you know?

So, what does this mean? We’re not entirely sure, yet. For me, I tend to think it foreshadows a future arc (I’m sure you’re shocked) and I’ll get more into that in the next few days.

@wdway​ suggested perhaps we could apply it to the Leah situation. Daryl is in love with one woman, but hallucinating a relationship with another. I think that works, too. For now, let’s just keep it in mind, shall we? ;D

Dialogue parallels include Lucille saying, “we’ll have to kill it,” which parallels Beth saying the same thing about the walker at the moonshine shack.

And of course then we get that all important scene with the green wig, “serious” mention, IV stand and bag, and walker in the eye.

We see Negan going out to look for more gas for the generator, siphoning it out of cars.

We also see them having fun together. Obviously them playing darts is a callback to Still. The part where they play darts is actually just like half a second in the show, which just goes to show that they did the promo shot because they wanted us to see the symbols in the scene. I want to draw everyone’s attention to the fact that the British flag is printed on the darts. This is part of the template I’ll talk about in a day or two as well. For now, I just want you to notice it. It’s important.

When they do the candlelight dinner (*coughs alone*) they eat DOG food. Sirius reference. She suddenly says “happy anniversary” and pulls out a present for him. He says, “You know what day it is?” and she says, “no, I just wanted you to have this.” So I think the idea is that it’s not really their anniversary. She just said that as an excuse to give him a present. It reminded me a little of the “New Years Eve” theme we saw around the Claimers. Not exactly the same, but a similar vibe. It’s not REALLY New Year’s Eve. They’re just saying it as an excuse to do something else (in that case, kill Rick). Here, it’s not really their anniversary, but Lucille is saying that as an excuse to give him the jacket.

When Negan says she doesn’t owe him anything Lucille says, “I stuck with you because I could always see the man you are right now, even when you weren’t.” So again, kind of a Beth theme of seeing the best in him even when he doesn’t see it in himself. That’s a huge theme throughout this episode.

There’s more refrigerator/cooler symbolism when the fridge defrosts, ruining the last of Lucille’s treatments.

Then it jumps back to before the apocalypse. There were some symbols here as well. The main ones I noticed were specifically around Lucille. After her diagnosis, she gets in the car and hears the broadcast about the virus victims eating human flesh. Kind of a callback to hearing the Terminus broadcast in 4a.

Then she gets mad and says, just play some g**d*** music. (Music reference.) When the car pulls out, you have to check out this license plate!

XVD-1144. The 1-1 you should recognize from @frangipanilove’s 1-1 posts. The 44 references the comic book issue where Andrea was shot in the head, and survived. And of course there’s the X. So then @wdway had the ingenious idea to ask what roman numerals X and D stood for. X=5 and D=500. So we basically have “X, 550, 1-1, 44.” Yeah, series number 55 was Slabtown. Beth was on the 5th floor. And all the rooms around them in the hallway at Grady were in the 550s. If that’s not proof that Lucille is a Beth proxy, I don’t know what is.

Plus, notice the type of car: mustang. We’ve talked about this before, but horse symbolism, and the type of car is always important.

Another thing @wdway​ with her eagle eyes picked up. Lucille is scrolling back and forth between Negan and Janine’s numbers, right? Notice the date:

November 12. Recognize that:

Yeah, not kidding. It’s a reference to the headstone in Alone. 👀

Back in the future again, Lucille asks Negan to stay with her. You don’t realize this the first time watching it, but clearly she’s ready to die, and just wants him to be with her, but he’s bound and determined to save her, an goes anyway.

A couple of things to point out. Negan looking for meds parallels to Daryl looking for meds at the veterinary college in 4a. Also, on TTD they pointed out that Negan is constantly putting Lucille in a position to be alone. Before the apocalypse, he left her alone to fool around with another woman, who was her best friend. He made her go to the doctor alone. (Lucille alone at the hospital could = Beth at Grady.) We see him constantly leaving her here to get supplies. And he leaves for like 6 six weeks to track the mobile clinic.

I think that’s mostly an anti-parallel to Daryl. Daryl never left Beth intentionally. But I also think it could be a future theme, not in the sense that Daryl will leave her, but I’ve always thought he would feel super guilty because they left her behind and now she’s been “alone” for 8 years. And again, not physically alone as we know she’ll be part of other groups and such, but without him and her family.

Back with the medical people again, Laura gives Negan her bat, the one she first beaned him with, since he doesn’t have any other weapons.

All they said about Laura on TTD was that they wanted to use her—someone the audience would recognize—but also someone who had a relatively minor role. So they talked about how they could have brought Austin Amelio on and had Dwight give it to him, but because Dwight is a bigger character, and because his onscreen relationship with Negan was much bigger, it would have made it a Negan/Dwight moment and they wanted to keep this episode focused solely on Negan and Lucille. So they used Laura.

And sure, that’s fine. But they could have used any Savior they wanted. And why did they even WANT a familiar face? Why the return of the Savior with the blond hair, you know? I’m just saying. ;D

Of course Negan tells the biker gang where the medical RV is and then goes back to Lucille, but she’s already dead. This really was a very tragic episode.

We obviously have a suicide theme here, and the fact that Negan never actually shoots or stabs Lucille in the head, both of which parallel Beth. 

On TTD, YNB even pointed out that she’s wearing the same clothes as she was the day he left, which means she committed suicide the day he left. Most of the 6 weeks he’s been out looking for medical supplies, she was already dead. Super tragic, no?

We also see keys, matches, the blue cooler again, and Negan wrapping the barbed wire around his bat. 

So, a couple of preliminary thoughts here. The 6 weeks was bugging me because they said it 2 or 3 times, really emphasizing it. I’m kind of wanting to equate it to 6 seasons. Because if Beth doesn’t show until S11 (and clearly now she can’t, unless she shows in Fear or something, but I’m not holding my breath for that) then it will be 6 seasons since Beth left the show.

And again, it’s more anti-parallel than parallel. For 6 weeks, Negan thought Lucille was alive, but she was dead the entire time. For 6 seasons, Daryl thought Beth was dead, when really she’s been alive the whole time.

And, of course, Negan burns the house down, much like Beth and Daryl did in Still.

But here’s the other thing @wdway noticed. Check out the similarities here:

Similar colors and structures, and both seem to be on fire at some point. And I don’t think the cabin in 5x09 was pointing toward Negan and Lucille. Rather, I think the symbolism in both instances point toward something we haven’t seen, yet. But the parallels and repeated symbolism are there.

When Negan leaves, he gets on his bike with Lucille (the bat) and drives away from the burning house. And interestingly, we see him smack his mailbox with it and knock it off it’s post. 

Couple of things here:

The name “Smith” is written on the mailbox, so apparently that was their last name. And they mentioned it on TTD. Smith is such an everyman sort of name. It might be one of the most common surnames on the planet, so there’s definitely some interesting symbolism there having to do with Negan.

But I’m side-eyeing the actual mailbox, as part of the Communication Theme. And, on a very basic level, I’m thinking that the mailbox was intact when Lucille was still alive. He destroyed it after he lost her. So maybe it represents something along those lines, or even represents the person they lost. So mailbox = Beth.

The scene that keeps flashing in my head is from 6x03 when Daryl is riding around on his bike, searching for Rick, and he’s passing all these mailboxes in the background. 

Then in 10x21, we see him walking toward the military walker on the train tracks (*coughs CRM, *coughs Rick*) and he passes the blond, Beth walker, but doesn’t actually look at her or see her. Do you kind of see the similar theme there?

Negan brutally killing the biker gang can parallel Rick doing the same to Joe Claimer in 4x16.

Negan tells Craven a story about how he lost his job. He got in a bar fight. It was their favorite because it had a JUKE BOX. And they loved the juke box because it played their favorite song (You are So Beautiful to Me.) He even talks about “seeing red” and how he now realizes he can do anything he wants (read: kill anyone he wants) so we kind of see his evolution into S6 Negan here.

And honestly, they leave a lot of loose threads here. We never learn what happens to Franklin (he’s still alive at this point) and obviously Laura stays with Negan long term, but they really could do more flashbacks about how he started gathering people and found the Sanctuary.

So then we come back to the present where he’s just dug Lucille up under the stained glass window tree. In the first scene at the beginning, we see a walker making its way toward him. Yes, it’s a blond, female walker, and I’m pretty sure she’s wearing Daryl’s shirt from when he was at the Sanctuary. Here at the end, Negan has been lost in his own thoughts so long, the walker comes up behind him and he turns around and kills it with Lucille. 

When he does, the bat splits down the middle. Yet another symbol of Lucille’s death.

He goes back to the cabin and sits in front of the fire and talks to Lucille (both the bat and his actual wife). He says, “I’m sorry I left you…I made myself not feel anything…I miss you.” See how we could apply that to Daryl?

He also says, “I’m going to do your fighting for you,” which I take to mean he’ll honor her memory better, now, rather than go back to the old, evil Negan he was. Which was really just years of him avoiding his feelings about her death. (Kind of like Daryl has with Beth, hence the Leah situation.)

Then he covers the bat in a white cloth (clearly meant to be a shroud) and puts the bat in the fireplace, burning it. On TTD, they do say this is meant to be the funeral she never got. 👀

Oh, and at the end of the “in memoriam” on TTD, it actually says, “Negan is burning down his past.”

So, at the very end, he actually goes back to Alexandria. Maggie, Carol, and Daryl are near the entrance and he asks where the “A” team is going. Carol warns Negan that if he lives at Alexandria, Maggie will kill him at some point. I actually really liked this ending. It was a good way to kick us into S11.

That’s the end of the episode. So, I’ll say this again and it will be a good segue into my next post about what I think Beth’s arc will be in S11, and how she’ll appear. I’ll post it either tomorrow or Thursday.

Without getting too much into the weeds, I think Negan and Beth will have some major, future interaction. And I really think the symbolism here backs it up, for various reasons. The symbolism itself wouldn’t prove anything, as we’ve seen this stuff repeated with lots of different characters and especially true love couples, which Negan and Lucille clearly were, despite his cheating.

But on TTD, Hilarie Burton talked about how strong Lucille was. She said she liked the character because so often when cancer victims or victims of other prolonged diseases are portrayed on film, they’re seen as angelic, ethereal beings. And while that’s fine if that’s truly who they are, you don’t lose your personality just because you become sick. So she liked it that Lucille was a little rough around the edges. She says that even before the apocalypse, Negan was just fussy enough that he would need a strong woman to rein him in, and he would also be attracted to exactly this kind of strong woman. 

Strong woman = Beth.

So, I’ll just leave it there.

Anyone find any symbols I missed?

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Killing Eve: A Theory of Fate & Numerology

The theme of numerology and fate has been an overt underlining theme within the Killing Eve Universe. Precisely because the writers all have in common is planting Easter eggs and connecting numbers and little details that tie into big details. Which is cool but makes you find patterns everywhere, which I kind of think they want.

But this theme jumped out for me again as I was piecing together the Killing Eve timeline (see here) and Eve's timeline (see here) prior to the events of the show and I worked out Eve's birthday which I estimated to exactly September or October. I was certain it was September, one because it fits perfectly and two because I believed Eve to have Big Virgo Energy (BVE).

But a large reason I convinced myself that September or October may not just be the only two months to consider it this:

A bit of infomation from Oksana Astankova's prison file in the form of a date: August 20, 2014. Yes the day 'Oksana' died, and the possible b-day of one Eve Polastri. WILD, yes but a big possibility. WHY would she have 'died' precisely that date, and one which aligns with Sandra Oh's real birthday July 20th. I mean they did the same for Jodie Comers birthday as well which is March 11 changed to March 12, why not do it for Sandra as well.

Lets fast forward to season 3, episode 4: Konstantin goes to visit Villanelle the day of Eve's birthday. Very noticeably he ignores his daughters phone call and is looking at Villanelle with a sort of look that reminds me of a father looking at his daughter, it's very fond. I think there's more to that visit to Villanelle, not only to get her help but to spend time with her as he dragged her away for a walk. As it turns out it's the anniversary of Konstantin and Villanelles partnership, be it if Eve's birthday is Aug. 20th.

I do believe the writer have a timeline-i hope, why make the date oksana died that date? Which closely relates to Sandras birthday (July 20) and with a little brain power Eve's birthday. They made the timeline a little vague, they don't want the audience to really focus on it...well they failed! It made me more interested because its so funky.

So what is the significance of the day 'Oksana died' being Eve's birthday? Is there one? Or is it just to connect them in some way prior to the events of the show? Like Eve hobby investigating female assassins or how Villanelles birthday being March 12th and then being associated with the criminal organization the 12 later in life. The latter of course was intentional. I also theorize and believe the date of ' death' was real, real intentional as well.

Me with my tin foil hat: Everything is CoNnECteD!

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Netflix’s Lupin: The Evolution of Lupin vs. Ganimard

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This piece contains spoilers for Netflix’s Lupin Part 2.

Netflix’s Lupin ended Part 1 on the ultimate fannish moment, with Officer Youssef Guedira (Soufiane Guerrab) addressing Assane Diop (Omar Sy) as “Arsène Lupin?”—and then picked up Part 2 with Assane responding in turn, identifying his new ally Guedira as “Ganimard,” the name of Lupin’s archnemesis. Throughout the latter five episodes of George Kay’s (Killing Eve) French crime drama, the gentleman thief and the police officer replicate their literary heroes’ dynamic—shifting between rivals on opposite sides of the law to something approaching friendship—while evolving the relationship beyond Maurice Leblanc’s original characters.

“Who could baffle the schemes of Arsène Lupin better than Ganimard, the patient and astute detective?” Leblanc writes early on in Arsène Lupin, Gentleman Burglar. Wherever the gentleman thief is mentioned, his law-abiding archrival quickly follows, hot on the metaphorical trail. Like the best cat-and-mouse pairs, these two spend so long chasing one another that they become intimately familiar with one another’s methods and even modes of thinking, yet still have their blind spots. For instance, Ganimard doesn’t allow himself to be distracted by a false murder charge, knowing that Lupin doesn’t kill, but he manages to let the thief get away in a later adventure because it never occurs to him that Lupin would escape prison and then return.

While Lupin has remarked that Ganimard doesn’t quite possess the deductive wits of himself nor of his guest-star rival Sherlock Holmes (a.k.a. Herlock Sholmes), he nonetheless respects Ganimard’s sheer tenacity and commitment to chasing him. Of course, that doesn’t stop him from escaping Ganimard’s custody every chance he gets. Despite all this, they become something close to friends as Leblanc’s adventures go on, with Lupin sometimes entrusting cases to Ganimard (as in “The Red Silk Scarf”) and the two finding some common ground.

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Interestingly, Monkey Punch’s Lupin III anime seems to have split the Ganimard persona into three distinct characters. The namesake is Ganimard III, the same age as Lupin III, and burdened with several generations of Ganimard family guilt and embarrassment over letting the Lupins consistently outwit them. Though Ganimard III only appears in Lupin the 3rd Part 1, he and Lupin III replicate their grandfathers’ dynamic of wily thief and bumbling inspector as concerns a French Fair exhibit of Arséne Lupin’s prized possessions. Ganimard III, who operates on logic and science, thinks he has laid the perfect trap for his contemporary, only for Lupin III to employ some retro tricks and crafty disguises to make history repeat itself as Ganimard III returns to France in shame.

Melon Ganimard, who may or may not be Ganimard III’s sister, seems to present more of a challenge to Lupin III in a future anime installment, with her ability to suss out his disguises and her penchant for throwing handcuffs at him. Yet despite her own canniness in disguising herself as a bombshell to try and fool him, Lupin III tells her that “he never forgets a woman” and traps her in her own family heirloom handcuffs.

Ultimately, neither Ganimard has the staying power of Lupin III’s best foil: Inspector Kōichi Zenigata from the Tokyo Metropolitan Police, who joins Interpol in an effort to catch the gentleman thief in the act. Alternating between goofy and serious depending on the adaptation, Zenigata’s most consistent character trait is his obsession with tracking Lupin down. The fact that they have similar enough builds makes for plenty of opportunities not just for Lupin to impersonate Zenigata (which helps fool the Ganimards) but for Zenigata to turn that trick around on him as well.

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Countless close calls contribute to Zenigata’s hotheadedness, as Lupin manages to evade him each time. But even the inspector’s more impulsive moves are backed by legitimately sharp instincts and the keenness to anticipate Lupin’s moves—prompting the thief to point out that it’s a shame that Zenigata is a cop. In Hayao Miyazaki’s The Castle of Cagliostro, the two even form a pact (albeit temporarily) in order to escape the titular castle’s deadly catacombs. What started as a professional rivalry, with more than one occasion forcing them to save each other’s necks, has transformed into real respect and genuine affection.

“Chapter 6” of Lupin Part 2 initially subverts this modern Lupin/Ganimard relationship by having Guedira lie about his identity; at first he lets Assane believe that he is merely a good samaritan helping to rescue the captured Raoul (Etan Simon) from Pellegrini’s man Léonard (Adama Niane). But even by the end of that first episode, Assane reveals that he’s easily figured out who Guedira is, and—perhaps in a throwback to the anime’s Ganimard descendants—zip-ties him to their stolen car as he goes after Léonard alone. When he says, “You’re Ganimard,” it’s a compliment! Only Guedira figured out who Assane’s crimes were in homage to, because of their shared fandom for the Arsène Lupin canon. But the fact remains that Assane doesn’t work with cops.

That choice proves potentially devastating by the end of “Chapter 6,” the final scene which makes Assane and the viewers believe that Raoul has perished in the burning car. If the gentleman thief, so used to relying on only himself in the middle of a heist, had brought an ally, then his son might have survived.

Thankfully, that bleak read is quickly reversed by one of the series’ signature flashbacks to what happened to Guedira after Assane left him: He managed to get out in time to rescue Raoul from the car before Léonard set it on fire. Yet having Raoul as bait puts them back on opposite sides of the law, as Guedira’s colleagues use the boy to try and arrest the thief. Unfortunately, that plus the Pellegrinis’ scheming ultimately leads to Assane being framed for the murder of Léonard—something that everyone believes, even potentially Guedira, who seems to have a genuine loss of faith with regard to Assane upholding the gentleman thief’s morals. Not even finally unearthing Assane’s headquarters, with its Lupin Easter eggs of a top hat and the eponymous “Jewish lamp” from one of the stories, is enough to comfort Guedira’s disillusionment with his favorite book series.

And here represents the turning point for Lupin the series. Just as Assane Diop’s Lupin is a subversion of the archetypal character by engaging with the racism of him not “looking” like people would expect of a gentleman thief, Guedira-as-Ganimard’s pivotal moment is when he dares to question the police department and the letter of the law itself. “Lupin doesn’t kill,” he keeps insisting to Lieutenant Belkacem (Shirine Boutella) and especially Dumont (Vincent Garanger), but they have lost any faith in his Diop-as-Lupin theory. He is alone in his convictions.

So Guedira is perfectly primed for one of the series’ best moments, when Assane addresses him as “Ganimard” via Internet comments. This engagement in a fannish space, this brief foray into online role-playing, carries all the joy of a shared joke and all the weight of a missing puzzle piece—leading him to the proof of Dumont’s corruption and the permission to seek out Lupin at his final confrontation with Pellegrini in “Chapter 10.”

For his part, Guerrab believes that Guedira and Assane’s relationship transcends fandom by the end of Lupin Part 2. “Although in Part 1 Guedira and Assane are connected through their passion for Arsène Lupin,” he says in the Netflix press notes, “in Part 2 they get to know each other and almost forget about their shared passion—they are human beings, first and foremost. You get the feeling that even if one of them is a burglar and the other is a police officer, they could be the best of friends.”

Anime creator Monkey Punch has said that the only way he envisions ending the Lupin III story would be to have Lupin and Inspector Zenigata conclude their story as equals: whether that means both failing or both winning—or both simply getting too old for this cat-and-mouse game—they would end on the same terms. While Assane Diop and Officer Guedira are both too young to give up their intense dynamic anytime soon—and there’s no telling what’s in store for Netflix’s Lupin Part 3—it’s a comforting thought that these two might someday face the same endgame.

Lupin Part 2 is available now on Netflix.

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