#kaos prometheus

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Nitpicking Kaos

Aka "Is it so hard to have 10 seconds of Googling?"

Dislaimer: I'm not a follower of the Greek pantheon nor am I the most avid "fan" of Greek myth (putting that in quotes bcs there are still worshippers today), but oh my God. Is it so difficult to keep the most basic of information correct? I'm not gonna nitpick on how they twist certain myths (e.g. how Orpheus gets to and gets Eurydice out of the underworld) bcs it's fine, it serves the plot they're telling so it's not like they're doing it for no reason. But the names of gods? Their titles? The fact that Hera is probably the only goddess who has remained faithful to her spouse? Is it too much to ask?

EDIT: just realised just how negative this all sounds, but I did genuinely enjoy the show and its plot. It was interesting enough to captivate me for 8 whole eps, the character dynamics were intriguing, and the portrayal of the gods was cruel and I loved it since it hammers in the disconnect/lack of empathy that they feel for mortals

Anyway, here's a list of nitpicks [SPOILERS BELOW THE CUT] feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

Heracles, not Hercules

Why do people keep getting this wrong? The name of a literal Greek Goddess (Hera) is part of his name. How are you gonna make Zeus praise him, but still get his name wrong

Hestia

Why is Hestia reduced to being a fucking dog????????? Not just any dog either, she's Zeus's dog that already died, absolutely no chance of an appearance of his fifth sibling unless you wanna make it that Zeus was such a dick that he named his dog after his sister. It's not like she has a "useless" domain. She's one of the three most well-known virgin goddesses. She's the goddess of the home and hearth and of the sacrificial fire. She's the one who receives the first offering at a (domestic) sacrifice so why is she just a dog??

Hera

If I had a nickel for every time I read a retelling where she cheats on Zeus with his brother, I'd have two nickels (the first was Lore Olympus, if you're curious). Hera is supposed to represent the ideal wife, the literal goddess of lawful marriage so how the fuck can you make her be unfaithful?????????

Poseidon

Not so much a nitpick than a question, said question being "why are we acting like Poseidon doesn't have a wife, the nereid Amphitrite, queen of the seas" did they get divorced? Is that why he's lusting after Hera

Hades

He's the god of THE DEAD. Thanatos is the god of death ffs; he's the literal personification of death. Thanatos takes mortal souls, and Hades presides over said dead souls. It would've taken only a few seconds to change Hades's title card and for Persephone to call him "god of the dead" instead of the "god of death". Nothing about Hades's position even hints to him presiding over death itself. We only ever see him running the underworld (Y'know, where all the dead are?). They literally had to change nothing but his title card and what Persephone calls him

Persephone

This isn't really a nitpick on her character, but.... if she's in the underworld, shouldn't it be winter? It doesn't matter that she truly loves Hades or that she went willingly, Part of what fueled Demeter's winter is her grief over losing/being away from her daughter so why is it so damn sunny when we cut to the mortal world

Orpheus

Again, not a nitpick but a definite downplay of his musical abilities considering the fact that the song he sung to convince Hades and Persephone had literally stopped the underworld in its tracks

Prometheus

Not an egregious change, but I'll say it anyway: Wasn't he freed by Heracles during his 12 labours? It's not like he needs to be chained up, pretty sure the resentment that comes from centuries or millenia of having your liver pecked out and eaten would sustain his hatred for an equal amount of time

Minos

Their decision to make him a president instead of a king is not only unnecessary, but it makes him look like the Greek ver of Putin. I mean, they really didn't need to add in the part where Ariadne(?) says something along the lines of "you should let the people vote, they'd choose you anyway". Just... the implication that he simply declared himself president is dumb as hell. Despite Athens being the birthplace of democracy, I don't think they even had presidents in Ancient Greece. You could literally just call Minos a king and virtually nothing about the plot would even change so why bother. Is this really just their attempt at "modernising" their world/setting? It's not like we don't have kings in this day and age

Minotaur

It's true that Glaucus is a sibling of Ariadne, but the Minotaur is a whole separate sibling. The Minotaur even has his own name: Asterion/Asterius. Just another case of "why did they have to change this?" Literally just swap out the name "Glaucus" for "Asterion" and not only will (yet again) virtually nothing about the plot change, but it would be more mythologically accurate and less confusing for people who do know the myths. In fact, it could've been a fun hint for people who know the myths to clock what really happened to "Glaucus" early on, but still have them questioning "how did he become the Minotaur in this version?"

Pasiphae/Pas

Ngl I'm kinda sad that Pas seems to be just a normal mortal woman bcs, in Greek myth, she was a sorceress-goddess, the daughter of Helios. Plus, although I think it's kinda fucked up that she was forced to fuck/be fucked by the Cretan bull (bcs being "made to fall in love" is not the same as "falling in love"), I think it would've been interesting to explore not only her grief over losing a child, but the grief that comes from realising that he never was and never could be accepted by either Gods or mortals. Also, it would've made her obsession over him look slightly less selfish (and lowkey creepy) if we found out that part of the reason was that she knew her son could never live among humans as half-man, half-bull so she resorted to making wax figures that would've at least let her imagine what it would've been like if he wasn't the result of divine punishment

Theseus

Was literally just an Easter egg. Downgraded from a prince of Athens to a Cretan bodyguard. Didn't even do his most notable act (killing the Minotaur) or even get sent to the Labyrinth in the first place. Makes him feel very much like a character that the writers added just to say, "Look! Look, we know Greek myth!" Especially since Theseus disappeared into thin air after the Trojan 7 were arrested. I don't think they even showed him in the crowd with Andromache, mourning Astyanax

Non-character Nitpicks (yeah, I got more)

Bees

Not really bothered by this, but I'm pretty sure that bees aren't even one of Hera's sacred animals. They could've made it peacocks, make the birds wander the grounds and when the reveal drops, the symbol of opulence turns into an unabashed display of cruelty

Ichor

Admittedly, the colour of ichor in Ancient Greek texts has always been ambiguous. But I feel like it would've been an interesting visual for their blood to be a non-red colour; maybe the popular gold, for example. Bcs it would've A) drawn a clear line between Gods and mortals and further "validated" the Gods' hubris by serving as visual proof that there's an undeniable difference between them and the mortals; and B) would've really caused Zeus to panic when he saw that his blood was red instead of gold, make him think that he's becoming mortal, vulnerable, weak

Styx

Minor nitpick, but isn't the sentence for not being able to pay the toll only 100 years, not 200? Why the extra 100 years? Why even change this? If they really wanted to make it feel like a long sentence, then they should've gone for 500 or 1000 years. Living even just 100 years of doing the same thing with no variation or even the choice to opt out, or even being able to taste anything, would start feeling hellish sooner than you might think

Couples

This might just be the aromantic in me, but why is there so much romance???? And it's between couples that never existed in the OG myths

1. Hera/Poseidon - why??? I've already talked about how it goes against Hera's character, but if they really wanted them to have a "deep" relationship, they're literally siblings?? They could just bond over having to be the ones that keep Zeus in line or being the only ones responsible for actually ruling their realms (bcs Amphitrite is nowhere to be found). They didn't need to insult Hera's character like that

2. Theseus/Astyanax - I'd have less problem with this if it didn't seem like Theseus wanted Ari to only save Nax instead of all 7 Trojans. It makes it feel like they're fueling the idea that a person would only be desperate to save the person they love romantically. E.g., a husband saving his wife, but not someone saving their best friend

3. Prometheus/Charon - same problem as the Theseus/Nax ship, especially with the added line that Prometheus needs to rely on "someone who will do anything for you" (or sumn like that). Like,,,, you can do that for your friend too, y'know. It's not out of the realm of possibility to miss your friend or love them so deeply that you'd do anything for them. It's literally a well-known joke(?) that there are friends who'd help you hide the body. It'd just be a more intense ver of that between Charon and Prometheus. They didn't need to be romantic to showcase Charon's trust in and dedication to helping Prometheus

4. Caeneus/Eurydice - I'm so tired of people falling in love in less than a week (I don't think this relationship even reached a full three days). Iirc y'all had a grand total of 6 conversations - first at the Frame, second meeting when Riddy introduces herself as a diver, third at the party, fourth when they're sitting on the bench, fifth when they have their short escapade to the Nothing, sixth in Caeneus's bedroom.

I mean,,,,, I get that they shared meaningful conversations, but I swear none of said conversations even lasted more than 5 minutes so where on Earth is this "love" coming from?? Y'all have barely scratched the surface of what you know of each other but you think you're connected??? Get real

Ending on a positive note

I actually love the Furies and the Fates. The Furies more for their looks and their vibe and especially the Fates for their (literal) know-it-all nonchalant attitude. I hope they come back next season.

The set design and colouring is also top tier, from the underworld filtered in black and white and looking industrial and office-like to the vibrant colours and festivity of Earth to the opulence of Olympus

Some actual trans and disability rep! I've been burned before with the trans rep since the Netflix adaptation of "Alice in Borderlands" has a cis woman playing a transfem, but Misia Butler is an actual transmasc! [Nobody argue that AIB couldn't have an actual transfem bcs of Japan's transphobia bcs I can tell you what's not helping trans rights: having cis women play transfem roles, thinking it makes no difference anyway. Good rep can pave the way for acceptance]

The disability rep in actors is so fucking bad that I genuinely thought most people with disabilities just didn't become actors. I only knew that the daughter in "A Quiet Place" was actually deaf bcs I went to look it up. Anyway, hope Mat Fraser (Daedalus aka only decent father figure) comes back bcs no way he actually got eaten, right? Right????

[ladymonterosa]

Kaos

"Kaos" is a Netflix series that promises to offer a dark and modern reinterpretation of Greek mythology. Created by Charlie Covell, the same mind behind the hit series "The End of the F***ing World", "Kaos" mixes mythological elements with contemporary themes, exploring issues such as power, family, politics and disillusionment.

The series stands out for its bold approach in reimagining the stories of Greek gods and heroes, presenting them as complex and vulnerable characters struggling with their problems. This mix of myth and modernity creates an intriguing world, in which the deities are no longer omnipotent figures, but entities struggling with their own existence and the change of the human world.

Visually, "Kaos" is a work of art: the aesthetics are taken care of in the smallest details, with sets that mix ancient and modern, and a photography that enhances the mysterious and dreamlike atmosphere of the series. The actors' performances are convincing, with interpretations that manage to give depth and humanity to mythological figures often perceived as distant and inaccessible.

The plot revolves around Zeus (played by Jeff Goldblum), the King of the gods, who spirals into paranoia after discovering a wrinkle on his forehead. This simple imperfection convinces him that his downfall is imminent, triggering a series of actions that threaten to destabilize the entire pantheon. To complicate matters, a prophecy states that the appearance of a “line” will lead to the fall of a family and chaos, pushing Zeus to see signs of his fate everywhere.

Hades (David Thewlis), the King of the underworld and once Zeus’s reliable brother, finds himself losing control of his realm, exacerbated by the growing discontent among souls waiting to return to Earth through the process of Renewal. The Queen of the gods, Hera (Janet McTeer), manages the Earth and Zeus in her own way, but her husband’s growing paranoia threatens her power and pushes her to take drastic measures.

Meanwhile, Dionysus (Nabhaan Rizwan), Zeus’s rebellious son, is out of control and ready to clash with his father, while Poseidon (Cliff Curtis) is completely indifferent to the common good, obsessed with his luxurious lifestyle and parties on his megayacht. However, the increasing discontent among mortals threatens to become a concrete danger for the gods.

The true heart of the story unfolds through four human characters: Riddi (Aurora Perrineau), short for Eurydice; Orpheus (Killian Scott), a pop star and Riddi’s boyfriend; Ceneus (Misia Butler), who was raised among the Amazons; and Ariadne (Leila Farzad), who has always struggled with the guilt of her twin brother’s death. These characters, despite having very different lives, are cosmically linked in their fight against Zeus, each with the potential to contribute to the downfall of the gods.

The series uses Greek mythology as a pretext to explore the theme of religion and the limitations it can impose on our lives. "Kaos" poses provocative questions about how religious beliefs can condition our existence, pushing us to live for an uncertain future rather than in the present. The mortals in the series find themselves trapped in a kind of Matrix where their actions are guided by the awareness of predetermined consequences. Covell reminds us that this mindset risks making us forget the value of the present and that the real chaos begins when people start to live in the moment, threatening the very existence of the gods.

Ultimately, "Kaos" is not just a modern reinterpretation of Greek myths but a sharp reflection on the nature of faith and authority. The series challenges viewers to reconsider the role of beliefs in our lives and reflect on how willing we are to change to live free from the constraints imposed by ancient narratives.

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Kaos Prometheus thoughts - what exactly is Prometheus? And why is he imprisoned? (Spoilers)

According to Greek mythology, Prometheus is a titan. He is the son of he titans Iapetus and Clymene and cousin of Zeus. According to the canon of the show, the Olympians were once human and it was Zeus figuring out how to take people's life sources which makes them immortal. It isn't said or even implied how much power the titans had, if any.

Now it would be perfectly reasonable to assume that Prometheus started as a human as well and was given the meander water by Zeus to become immortal. But here's my problem with that - Prometheus doesn't drink the water.

Prometheus of myth is locked in eternal punishment for giving humans fire, but I don't think he did in Kaos. There's a scene where Prometheus is taking to Zeus and he reminds him of how he'd burnt all of their pet ants 'when [they both] were children'. Now either this one specific family had fire and were gatekeeping it from their literal neighbours or Prometheus did something else to anger Zeus.

Here's what I think - Prometheus was given godhood by Zeus by way of meander water but he didn't know what it was made from. Once he figured it out, he stopped drinking it. In the flashback scene with Charon he says his knee is fucked - not something that would happen if he were immortal. Prometheus not only knew the meander was wrong but he'd found someone he wanted to grow old with, so he gave up his godhood and Zeus didn't like it.

In the show, the reason the Olympians can sustain their immortality to the degree they do is that humans are lax with their lives - there are all night gun kiosks, the munis, human sacrifice, they are sold on the idea of renewal so they will freely give up their lives. If they realise they really only live once, they will (maybe) be more careful and Zeus won't be able to sustain the frankly massive family of Olympians. Not to mention they will lose faith in the gods. Prometheus loves humans and the Earth and Zeus knows he would absolutely expose him, so he locks Prometheus in chains to stop him from ever doing so, sustaining his life because he doesn't even trust him to die.

Thats just my theory, this show has given me so much to think about and oml i need more right now pleasee.

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Need someone talented to make an edit for Kaos (specifically Riddy/Caeneus, Nax/Theseus, and/or Prometheus/Charon) to “Sailor Song” by Gigi Perez

I mean “I don’t believe in god but I believe that you’re my savior”

Please tell me someone sees the vision

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OH MY GOD.

PROMETHEUS IS THE NARRATOR BECAUSE HES THE GOD THAT LIKES HUMANS (like the viewers) THE MOST.

[fokikowest]

I Can't Believe I Missed This Game Of Thrones Star In Netflix's Kaos

[withpatiencecomespeace]

I was so happy to see an older LGBTQ+ couple on media. I didn’t know I would see the day. I didn’t know how badly I needed to see it. So happy it happened.

Ramon Tikaram as Charon Stephen Dillane as Prometheus Kaos (2024–)

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Prometheus & Charon | Kaos (2024)

[alsofullofflies]

This leads me to assume we missed Medusa and Charon having the fattest gossip sesh previously off screen about his ex who killed him for the fucking fates- peak mlm/wlw solidarity

[thequietesthing]

i’m sorry but KAOS is like a greek mythology fanfiction AU on steroids and i love her for it.

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Just gonna add a tidbit: iirc Prometheus also mentions "you probably just think I'm a (can't remember what he said here) that murdered his boyfriend" right before they actually showed us said boyfriend. it would just be weird to expect us to be sad when we literally learned of Prometheus both having a relationship and betraying his lover in the same breath

I think another thing that goes against Kaos as a show isn’t the writing itself but Netflix being Hellbent on making tv shows shorter and like “really long movies” where the story isn’t episodic even tho it’s cut into episodes therefore the pacing is so confusing to the point that an entire side plot isn’t brought up for a whole episode or two.

Not to mention that it makes the character interactions bare bones and bland, if you want to write relationships that aren’t canon in mythology, fine, whatever, just give me good reason to care about this couple. Supergiant’s Hades (for all its flaws) succeeds at this.

We are supposed to be sad about Prometheus and Charon separating but we literally see them as a couple for like what? Five minutes? The show doesn’t give us enough time to gaf about their relationship other than it’s “good representation” to have two old men in a relationship.

Eurydice and Caeneus have known each other for what couldn’t be more than a couple of days then see the Nothing and have their entire world view shattered then they fall in love and have sex? Only for Orpheus to be going through hell and back trying to get his wife back so how tf are we supposed to be invested in Eurydice cheating? Again the show doesn’t give us good reason to care for this couple other than its good representation.

Bruh don’t even get me started on Theseus and Astyanax, that’s the most bare bones of them all, I didn’t even catch that they were a couple until they had sex. Theseus has more screen time and chemistry with Ariadne than his supposed lover. Also stop trying to make good guy Theseus happen, it’s not going to happen.

The only fanon relationship that makes logical sense (as in within the story but as an adaptation it’s dog shit and I hate it) is Hera and Poseidon, they actually get multiple scenes and dialogue together so even if you are like me and hate to see them as a couple, it still makes logical sense for them as characters to like each other, but only if you don’t think of them as an adaptation.

[zarophod]

kaos may be the best show of 2024. i’m so obsessed. pls tell me other people are this obsessed. Prometheus loml best character fr

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Bound

[marxistgnome]

The greek myth inaccuracies in kaos are actually brilliant if you know how to have fun and can appreciate the impeccable rapunzelxmavis im lesbo meme vibes they have going on. It is about time someone brought the spirit of those 2010s videos where people would edit disney princesses from different films interacting and being friends to a greek mythology adaptation and I for one am glad it resulted in me watching old men have sex

[mwagneto]

my immediate thought when i saw the shorts sorry

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when kaos hits with the celestis divinitus insania vero