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sunflower themed julie lister moodboard !
my hatchetfield oc! rq'ed by @gayestclarinet :]
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#juliette daphne lister#julie lister#moodboard#oakleys moodboard adventures#raspy rambles#alice answers asks !!#do queue want to play with me#briars boards
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#movies#polls#breaking upwards#zoe lister jones#daryl wein#julie white#drama#ended#result: unheard of
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Temporary Pinned!
Until I get a proper promo set up, this is going to be my pinned. Finally have the rules and muses page set up, so feel free to peruse! Fair warning, activity is sporadic.
Rules + Muses
#{GOKU; IC}「Sparking!」#{VEGETA; IC}「Hell’s Bells」#{BLITZO; IC}「Fistful of Dollars」#{STRIKER; IC}「A Few Dollars More」#{VOX; IC}「We Can’t Rewind」#{RED SON; IC}「Set The World On Fire」#{GLOMGOLD; IC}「All I Do Is Win?」#{DAFFY; IC}「The B-Lister」#{JULIE SU; IC}「The World Has Turned」#{ZONIC; IC}「Dirty Harry」#{OOC}「Behind the Curtain」#{ASK ANSWERED}「A New Challenger」#{ANONYMOUS}「Adoring Fans」#{ASK MEME}「Step It Up」#{DASH COMM}「From the Lookout」#{SELF COMM}「Truth Serum」#{DASH GAMES}「Pain Games」#{VISAGE}「Is That Another Me?」#{MUSINGS}「It Doesn’t Matter」#{HEADCANONS}「Scouter Readings」#{CRACK}「I Miss My Wife」
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A Run for Your Money (1949) Charles Frend
February 6th 2023
#a run for your money#1949#charles frend#donald houston#meredith edwards#moira lister#alec guinness#hugh griffith#clive morton#leslie perrins#dorothy bramhall#julie milton#joyce grenfell#peter edwards#andrew lee#patric doonan#ealing
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Cherry magic season 2 announcement in november WATCH THIS SPACE
this but unironically
#minatos is in july#nanitabe is in october#so i vote for winter 2024 january cherry magic s2#honestly i cant even joke about this bc since the movie caught with the manga theres not going to be enough material to adapt in time#and also * is basically an a lister now and idk if he'll stay loyal to the show...
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So I’ve been ruminating on some thoughts regarding celeb privacy. Different celebs have different ways to deal with it. Claudia does no sm and says she has a partner and leaves it at that. Luke t has no sm and doesn’t address it. JB has sm but tags are off and he doesn’t bring partners to anything work related. He also seemingly lives his life without being papped. So here’s the thing. How does a man like JB who has a ton of buzz around fellow travelers, has been in Jurassic world, and Bridgerton managed to go out and about without being constantly papped? But there’s a price on Nicola Coughlan and a relative unknown’s head?
Yes I know that there is interest in their personal lives but even if you look at it from this perspective why keep going after Nicola? Luke has been mia since July (that we know of). The only other definite sighting is his selfie with Nic, and his posts which have no definitive date of when they took place.
I assume he occasionally leaves his house?
What are your thoughts?
Luke with and without a beard are two different Lukes, if that makes any sense? He also isn't as well known as Nic. Even after the success of S3.
But I do find it extremely odd that we don't even have fan sightings of Luke and A out and about around London. It is strange.
I think DM is being smart business-wise by keeping tabs on Nic.
The fandom plays into her hand EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
So while gaining a decent amount of engagement on a celeb who is not yet an A-lister it only makes sense for her to continue in the same vein she has since June 13th.
#just my opinions btw#luke newton#nicola coughlan#lukola#polin#merely speculating#bridgerton#i will die in my delulu
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Launching Tuesday - Historically Queer, our next enamel pin collection!
We Have Always Been Here.
Ten pins - two pairs, five single pins, and the La Maupin mega pin (she needed extra room for her headdress) - each with multiple unlockable colorways.
We launch Tuesday, 9/12, at 3PM Eastern, noon Pacific. Follow us on Kickstarter to be notified when we launch -- or just to help out! The visibility to Kickstarter from having followers on our campaign helps a lot. :D
Featured in this campaign:
Enheduanna, oldest named author. Incorporating trans themes into writing thousands of years old.
David & Jonathan, king & prince whose love surpassed the love of women.
Sappho, Lesbian poet. She should need no other introduction.
La Maupin, also known as Julie d'Aubigny. The original disaster bisexual. Opera singer, swordswoman. May have burned down a convent.
Publick Universal Friend, American religious figure. Going by gender-neutral pronouns since the year the Declaration of Independence was written.
Anne Lister & Ann Walker, the Gentleman Jack & her wife. Acknowledged as the first same-gender marriage in modern Britain.
Dr. James Barry, British surgeon. A transgender man, Dr. Barry performed the first C-section done by a European in Africa in which both mother & child survived. He is also credited with vastly improving conditions for wounded soldiers in the British military.
Nikola Tesla, Serbian-American genius. Listing Tesla's inventions would take a series of posts. Liked pigeons better than people.
If you don't see your favorite historical figure, don't fret! We've planned multiple sets of Historically Queer figures. We can't use them all up at once. :) Help ensure we can make future sets by helping us create this one!
Frequently Asked Questions under the cut.
Hey, what flag is that on Sappho?
That's the Sapphic flag, created by @tepkunset. NerdyKeppie's owner, Spider, is a butch lesbian who uses that flag for their art.
Hey - what about [historical figure]? How could you forget [historical figure]? This is erasure!
We didn't forget, we promise - this is the first of several installments of this project. After the absolute stress of the last Kickstarter when we had 300+ different SKUs by the end of the project, we decided to take a more focused approach to Historically Queer. We attempted to provide a good cross-section of identities, and will continue to expand in future projects. Spider has a huge folder on his computer full of planned pins and reference images.
But historically...
Yes, we know that it isn't totally proper to use today's terms to discuss people who lived a long time ago. But also, how else do we talk about our community history in a way that's understood, and celebrate our shared queerness, other than to use the words and iconography which are understandable to us now? We celebrate our shared history with the words and understandings most accessible to all of us, and we hope that by providing not just the pins but a few elementary facts about these historical figures, we'll encourage people to read more about them in their original context.
#nerdykeppie#lgbtq#queer pride#trans pride#enamel pins#update#lgbt#pride#news#kickstarter#kickstarters#crowdfunding
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This tournament is being run by and for queer fans so please keep that in mind! Homophobes will be blocked on sight <3 More polls here and more info here! Lyrics for the songs and FAQ under the cut!
Paris lyrics
"Your ex-friend's sister
Met someone at a club and he kissed her
Turns out, it was that guy you hooked up with ages ago
Some wannabe Z-lister
And all the outfits were terrible
2003 unbearable
Did you see the photos?"
No, I didn't, but thanks, though
I'm so in love that I might stop breathing
Drew a map on your bedroom ceiling
No, I didn't see the news
'Cause we were somewhere else
Stumbled down pretend alleyways
Cheap wine, make believe it's champagne
I was taken by the view
Like we were in Paris
Like we were somewhere else
Like we were in Paris, oh
We were somewhere else
Privacy sign on the door
And on my page and on the whole world
Romance is not dead if you keep it just yours
Levitate above all the messes made
Sit quiet by my side in the shade
And not the kind that's thrown
I mean, the kind under where a tree has grown
I'm so in love that I might stop breathing
Drew a map on your bedroom ceiling
No, I didn't see the news
'Cause we were somewhere else
Stumbled down pretend alleyways
Cheap wine, make believe it's champagne
I was taken by the view
Like we were in Paris, oh
Like we were somewhere else
Like we were in Paris, oh
We were somewhere else
I wanna brainwash you
Into loving me forever
I wanna transport you
To somewhere the culture's clever
Confess my truth
In swooping, sloping, cursive letters
Let the only flashing lights be the tower at midnight
In my mind
We drew a map on your bedroom ceiling
No, I didn't see the news
'Cause we were somewhere else
In an alleyway, drinking champagne
'Cause we were in Paris
Yes, we were somewhere else
My love, we were in Paris
Yes, we were somewhere else
🫶🫶🫶
Sweet Nothing lyrics
I spy with my little tired eye
Tiny as a firefly
A pebble that we picked up last July
Down deep inside your pocket
We almost forgot it
Does it ever miss Wicklow sometimes?
Ooh
Ooh
They said the end is coming
Everyone's up to something
I find myself running home to your
Sweet nothings
Outside, they're push and shoving
You're in the kitchen humming
All that you ever wanted from me was
Sweet nothing
On the way home
I wrote a poem
You say, "What a mind"
This happens all the time
Ooh
Ooh
'Cause they said the end is coming
Everyone's up to something
I find myself running home to your
Sweet nothings
Outside they're push and shoving
You're in the kitchen humming
All that you ever wanted from me was
Nothing
Industry disrupters and soul deconstructors
And smooth-talking hucksters
Out glad-handing each other
And the voices that implore
"You should be doing more"
To you I can admit
That I'm just too soft for all of it
Ooh
They said the end is coming
Everyone's up to something
I find myself running home to your
Sweet nothings
Outside, they're push and shoving
You're in the kitchen humming
All that you ever wanted from me was
Sweet nothing
They said the end is coming (They said the end is coming)
Everyone's up to something (Everyone's up to something)
I find myself running home to your
Sweet nothings
Outside, they're push and shoving (Outside, they're push and shoving)
You're in the kitchen humming (You're in the kitchen humming)
All that you ever wanted from me was
Sweet nothing
🫶🫶🫶
The question is which song is queerer to you! Queerer can mean whatever you want it to mean; you might consider a song queer because you think it was written that way, or because of Swiftian lore. It might be queer to you because of how you relate it to your own life. Maybe you think from a purely literary standpoint the lyrics have queer themes; maybe you're just thinking about vibes!!!
If you’d like to send in interpretations or propaganda for a specific song you can send them to my inbox! All interpretations are welcome and let’s be open and kind in response to all interpretations <3
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lesbian festival season may be over but the community is as lively as ever!
EVENTS: Cinema Systers Lesbian Film Festival is in KY May 23-26! Early bird tickets on sale thru Dec 31! National Women's Music Festival is in WI June 20-23! Big Mouth Girl Music Festival is in MI July 23-28!
CLUBS & ORGANIZATIONS: INTL Women's Flag Football is inviting teams, leagues, and individuals! IWFFA.com RCGI-Crossroads is meeting in IN for Goddess-focused Shabbat rituals! The Temple of Diana is offering virtual and in-person classes! templeofdiana.org Guardians of the Grove are offering virtual classes in female-centered magick and ritual-making! guardiansofthegrove.org
BOOKS, MUSIC, & FILMS: Overcoming Deepest Grief: a Woman's Journey by Mary Aviyah Farkas. Award-winning book about finding love and joy after the agonizing loss of her first wife. Love with Soul: Award-winning romance novels with lesbians 50+, slow burn, and abiding love. The Hum of Bees and Lie with ME by Patricia Spencer Novels by Carol Anne Douglas: Choosing Yellowstone, about older lesbians still in love but separated by miles. Lesbian movies: Wolfe Video for DVDs and streaming wolfevideo.com, wolfeondemand.com Sinister Wisdom: a Multicultural Lesbian Literary and Art Journal! 50th anniversary in 2026! sinisterwisdom.com The Touch of Her Voice: Romance, relationship, betrayal, and redemption… with some basketball thrown in. A debut novel by Sara Scott. Joyful, sexy, fun! Miss Lister's Guest House gets rave reviews. You'll love this new lesbian romance by A L Aikman. What Makes a Lesbian? A short story memoir by Paula Schorr. Soulful Reflections: a book of poetry and photos by Linda L. Franklin.
#radfem community#lesbian#women's spirituality#witchcraft#literature#women's land#lesbian history#feminist#radical feminism#dianic witchcraft#radblr
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This and That One wanting to be A-Listers. by u/Bored_Eastly
This and That One wanting to be A-Listers. I'm definitely not up on Hollywood trends/actors, so my thinking is possible outdated, but my understanding of an A-Lister was someone who could bring the crowds and $money$. (i.e. ~3 blockbuster movies, 10yr TV series as one of the stars)This and That One will never be an A-Lister under my definition. They want the endgame treatment equal to stars that put 20 -30 years into a hard hustle or being a Hollywood nepo baby that did well. Maybe she got this twisted thinking from being on the set of Married with Children. It's possible that the show was well established when she noticed how the stars were treated. In her head, being on Suits + Royal Family meant A-Lister. AND it could have been if THEY could bring the $money$. In their case they seem to want everyone else to bring them $money$, but of course they've showed us how bitter and empty they are, so who wants to pay to see their bumbling un-inspirational act. At this point in time, it's a comedy act that we don't have to pay for to watch. I truly wonder if they'll ever understand why life isn't working out the way they imagined it would be. post link: https://ift.tt/ILXR2Jw author: Bored_Eastly submitted: July 01, 2024 at 02:35PM via SaintMeghanMarkle on Reddit disclaimer: all views + opinions expressed by the author of this post, as well as any comments and reblogs, are solely the author's own; they do not necessarily reflect the views of the administrator of this Tumblr blog. For entertainment only.
#SaintMeghanMarkle#harry and meghan#meghan markle#prince harry#fucking grifters#grifters gonna grift#Worldwide Privacy Tour#Instagram loving bitch wife#duchess of delinquency#walmart wallis#markled#archewell#archewell foundation#megxit#duke and duchess of sussex#duke of sussex#duchess of sussex#doria ragland#rent a royal#sentebale#clevr blends#lemonada media#archetypes with meghan#invictus#invictus games#Sussex#WAAAGH#american riviera orchard#Bored_Eastly
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🔫 sing the beginning of moana
also, you are legally required to tell me about all ur ocs or i will. tie all your shoelaces together <3
eek all of them,,,, omg,,,, ok you know winnie so i wont go into her. BUT. she is one of. seven so!!!! ehehe okay so. sorry for the post screenshots my hands hurt 😔
stetson colter knox: a 26 yr old farmer who's been runni the family farm since his father died 7 years ago. father figure to his sister
og post abt him ^
georgia june knox: 17 yr old farmgirl with a penchant for Struggle.
duncan madden: 21 yr old butch lesbian farmhand who has yet to find a girlfriend but shes trying ok.
ok onto characters without posts like that and instead note posts
ophelia grace jägerman: max's little half sister!!!! he named her with help of steph. grace was his grandmothers name. she was dropped at max's door at three days old and he kinda had to step up and parent her- their dad didnt do much. shes so sweet and fun. he adores her and hes her dad and theyre so sweet. i really need to write for her sometime.
juliette daphne lister: 17 yr old hfhs senior- my first hf oc!!!! quiet and angry and a little nerdy. she wants to be a honey and flower farmer when she graduates
now the real kicker: everybody meet clover lennox-pine!!!!!! eek
clover is a 23 year old college student with a penchant for the paranormal. they spend most of their time in the woods searching for bones and weird animals to study. they're studying as an art student, specifically as a sculptor and potter! they're a regular at the many thrift and antique stores in hatchetfield and often donates things they make to them when they can. theyre also a regular at both beanies and the hatmanns bakery! #support local businesses
#alice answers asks !!#owens ocs#stetson knox#clover lennox-pine#georgia knox#duncan madden#julie lister#ophelia grace
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finally
fluff & angst | juke | 1.9k | ao3
“Come oooon Luke, just one date.” Julie slumps against Luke’s side, head resting on his shoulder as she tilts her face up towards his to better flutter her eyelashes at him, pout already in place.
Luke’s eyes flicker down to look at Julie, only to regret it a moment later. He closes his eyes, jaw ticking, as he grits his teeth in an effort to clamp down on the surge of unwelcome emotions. They’ve been best friends for years and yet his feelings only managed to get stronger, never wavering.
With eyes still closed, he turns to face the ceiling, head rolling against the back cushion on the old weathered black couch.
It was always easier to keep it under control when he wasn’t looking at her.
“I don’t see how me taking her out on a date helps you out in this scenario.”
“She likes you! She’s always talking about how hot you are, and knows we’re best friends — if I manage to set you up with her at least once, she might finally get off my back.”
“And what’s in it for me?” He says, but knows he’ll regret it the second he asks.
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“You get to go out on a date! With a rising star at that, who’s pretty popular with most of the guys our age,” Julie grins, seemingly proud of her pitch.
Luke sighs. “I never said I wanted to go out on a date, let alone with Carrie, Jules.”
Julie bumps him side with her shoulder. “You haven’t been on a date in ages Luke, you gotta make yourself available. Test the waters,” she shudders at her words, shaking her head before continuing. “You know what I mean. And this is the perfect opportunity! A win-win for the both of us!” She ends her speech on a bright note, fist pumping the air in front of her in triumph.
He knew that reasoning was coming, knew she’d bring that up again, trying to push him to go out and date even when he’s never shown any interest in anyone.
Anyone other than the oblivious best friend resting against his side.
He swallows back against the lump in his throat, and answers her.
“Julie I said no.”
“Luuuuuke, you don’t even need to look at her! Just one date and I can finally catch a break at work. I’m still the newbie and the b-listers won’t stop picking on me.” Julie shifts against his side, arms coming up to wrap around his bicep. Luke takes in a sudden intake of air at the sudden contact, eyes still squeezed shut.
“Jules…” he grits out, jaw clenched.
“Doesn’t even need to be dinner! You can just walk down the street side by side, maybe get a coffee and just let Carrie do all the talking. She’s good at that,” she adds in a disgruntled tone. “Pleaaaaaaaase.”
Luke can’t help groaning out loud at her pleading, his self-control reaching its limit.
“No.”
“But-“
“No.”
“Luke-”
“Julie!” He snaps, “can you just stop trying to get me to date other women?!” The outburst takes them both by surprise, Julie pulling away from him. Luke immediately regrets his loss of control, repeatedly cursing himself for letting that slip in front of her. He takes in a deep breath, and then another, before allowing himself to lift his head and open his eyes.
He finds julie sitting a few inches away from him, her eyes wide. She looked like a deer caught in headlights, and it squeezed at his heart — he did that.
“I-I’m so sorry Jules, I didn’t mean- it’s been a long week and that just kinda slipped out...” Luke continues to ramble, hand automatically creeping up to rub at the back of his neck as he keeps his eyes fixed on her, carefully watching and hoping to see that expression melt away from her features.
“I’m sorry,” he repeats, bringing his disjointed apology to an end.
Fuck. After years of being able to keep it under control, he managed to fuck up in the most explosive way.
“Julie,” he tries again, gently nudging her with his knee, “please say something.”
She blinks once, twice, then shakes her head, eyes slipping away from his. He watches her as she looks at anything but him, curls sliding down her cheek and obscuring his view, while her fingers nervously start fiddling with the ripped edges of the hoodie she stole from him.
Luke can feel his heart sinking to the floor, cold and heavy, as he realises this might be the first time he’s ever seen Julie this nervous around him.
Avoiding eye contact.
He tentatively reaches out with his free hand, aiming to brush away the curls keeping him from seeing her, but immediately stops when he sees Julie subtly sway to the side and away from him. He curls his fingers into a fist, dropping his hand back onto his lap. Nodding once to himself (and to Julie’s unspoken rejection), Luke lets out a deep breath, and pushes himself to his feet.
“I think I’ll uh- head home a little earlier today. Reg said he wanted to catch the last episode of love is blind, and uh- yeah. I’ll- I’ll see you around, Jules.” He keeps his gaze fixed straight ahead of him, too scared to look down and see Julie still avoiding his gaze — or worse, looking at him with hurt and disappointment. “I really am sorry, Julie.”
He moves to take a step around the coffee table and head towards the exit, only to stop mid-motion when he feels warm fingers wrap around his right hand.
He looks downs to find a familiar hand holding him in place.
“Wh-what did you mean by…by ‘other women’?” at the sound of her hushed voice, Luke’s gaze gets pulled away from her hand as it travels upwards in search of hers-
But comes up short.
She still isn’t looking at him, but she’s touching him, talking to him — that’s gotta mean something, right? Hopefully something good?
Except when his brain finally catches up to him, to the situation at hand, and registers the words that accompanied the voice he treasures most, Luke feels the swell of relief that had subconsciously started to rise up in his chest deflate very, very quickly.
His mind stumbles to catch up, to think of something to say, anything, but any time he tries to blurt out a lie, his lips refuse to budge.
And the longer he stands there in silence, the more suffocating it feels to hold in the truth he’s been guarding for so, so long.
“I-” he starts, before cutting himself off and clenching his jaw. He closes his eyes for a second, taking in a deep breath, and tries again. It isn’t lost on him that Julie’s fingers are still wrapped around his own — it’s strange, actually, how it gives him a very small boost of confidence.
“You’re always trying to set me up with people even though I never asked you to.” Julie’s head finally shifts, whipping up to stare at him with a guilty look in her eyes. Luke quickly continues in an effort to clear the misunderstanding.
“Not that- I don’t mean I’m not thankful- I mean-“ Luke lets out a frustrated huff of air, scratching the back of his head and ruffling his hair in the process. This was impossible.
“I appreciate that you’re thinking of me, and trying to get me to date, but Jules I- I’m honestly not interested in dating any of the girls you- I mean just dating in general. Not- at least…” Luke takes in another deep breath as he averts his eyes, heart pounding in his throat. “Not if it’s not you.”
Luke’s too worked up to take a look at Julie, choosing to focus on the hanging chairs in the ceiling instead. He feels her fingers grow slack, the grip they had on his hand loosening until they’re dropping away.
His hand feels cold.
They stay that way for a few minutes, each passing second more excruciating than the next.
He scared her off with his feelings — he feels too much all the time and music was always a good conductor, but his feelings for Julie have been building up for so long he just-
They exploded out of him.
Did he just mess this up? Did he ruin the perfect thing he had going on with his best friend because he couldn’t keep his emotions in check? Luke’s fingers curl into fists, the anger he felt at himself boiling up — this was just like what he did with his mom; he’s always messing perfectly good situations because he can’t keep his fucking mouth shu-
Luke’s eyes pop back open mid-thought when he feels a light touch on the back of his hand, soft and tentative. His head dips down to stare at his hand, finding familiar fingers lingering nearby. He’s too nervous to look up, to meet Julie’s gaze, and potentially face the consequences of his actions, but he did this and this was Julie — she deserved better.
Taking yet another deep breath, Luke slowly lifts his gaze up, following the path up from her wrist to her elbow, shoulder, and then shifts his eyes across her face until they meets hers.
What he finds there takes him by surprise-
She’s looking straight at him, eyes wide and glistening. They almost looked…hopeful?
Luke’s heart skips a beat, getting ahead of itself as it races towards a conclusion that feels way too good to be true.
“You- you never asked.”
This time his heart doesn’t skip a beat, but several.
His mind goes blank for a moment, unable to process the situation he’s in.
Did she just-
No. No way. She didn’t-
“What?” Luke slowly turns to fully face Julie, who was still curled up on the couch looking up at him.
“You never asked.”
“I-” Luke isn’t usually one to be left speechless, but the girl in front of him seems to be able to do it repeatedly.
Did this mean what he thought it meant?
Julie continues to stare up at him patiently, almost expectantly, as if she was waiting for him to get his shit together and…do something.
Luke shakes his head to shake loose words, any words, and opens his mouth.
“Uh-” no, not that word Luke. It’s hard to focus when she’s staring at him like that. He clears his throat and tries again.
“Julie, do you- will go out with me?”
He barely manages a semi-coherent sentence, his mind still unable to believe this is happening. He blinks once, twice, and just stands there like an idiot, waiting for some kind of answer from Julie.
Hopefully a positive one. It has to be, right? She wouldn’t just say that and then brutally reject him right? She wouldn’t, righ-
Julie stands up, derailing his thoughts.
She’s standing so close in front of him, he can feel her breaths brush against his face. He wants to step back but he doesn’t — it’s almost habit at this point to always have a safe space between them but maybe he didn’t need to anymore?
Luke watches her as she reaches out to hold his hand, slipping her fingers in between his.
She looks up from their conjoined hands at the same time as he does, their gazes meeting.
“I’ve been waiting for you to ask for a long time,” she says, a small smile lifting up the corner of her lips. “I’d love to, Luke.”
Luke isn’t sure what happened next, who moved first, who did what when, but all he knows is that he was suddenly cradling her face in his hands, pulling her closer and closer and closer.
Finally.
#MORHERIFIFBEJBR FINALLY DONE#oh my God this is so extra and dramatic#but after 277363 months i finally finished it#happy juke jeudi!#jatp#juke#julie and the phantoms#the mood switches in this are wild#SO DRAMATIC#my fics#hmm might just post this on ao3 i miss that birch#jatp fics
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Do you know when the whole "Batman fears superman wanting to rule the world / has contingency plans for the justice league" thing in comics/media started? The earliest I could come up with was JLA: Tower of Babel (published July-October 2000) for the contingency plans.
In terms of pre-Crisis, I'm afraid I haven't got a clue.
In terms of post-Crisis, I think what I would point to is the Kryptonite Ring, which Bruce was given by Clark back in Action Comics #654 in 1990 as an earlier signifier of Bruce’s contingency plans. Clark specifically gave it to Bruce so Bruce could stop him if needed.
There’s also hmmmm a Suicide Squad story from Ostrander’s run (#10, Feb 1988) that feels on theme, though that one is Bruce and Amanda Waller being in a mutual destruction stalemate where they are both agreeing NOT to reveal the other’s identity/team to the world, and both have specific plans to take the other out. But that’s the Squad and its list of largely villains, rather than the League.
Tower of Babel however is a huge influential story that definitely set the narrative within the hero community and in our world that Bruce has always got a set of just in case plans running. It had significant on page fallout not only for Bruce, but for Dick and Tim too. But I can’t think of any specific JLA storylines before it about Bruce being ready to take down the League.
Of course we’re also up against the fact that the Justice League between 1986 and 1998 was, to be polite, generally a rabble of characters supporting 2-3 A-Listers. The JLI is probably the most famous incarnation over that period and you could take half of THEM out just starting some relationship drama.
Anyone have any other suggestions of earlier occurrences?
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I think one little thing about Dimension Jump that gets me is the fact that like… Rimmer is going off on a jealousy fuelled rant about how he can’t stand Ace and he keeps making all these remarks assuming Ace must be gay and doing lots of mental gymnastics to try to explain how Ace may literally be a version of himself but he can still call him gay without it meaning he himself is also gay. (And then in the deleted scene he hastily shuts Kryten up when he tries to point out the flaws in what he’s saying lmao)
But this swiftly evolves from simply saying ‘Ace is gay gay homosexual gay!!’ to saying ‘Ace is gay with Lister’ because he starts making all these remarks about the two of them, like the infamous “Now I know where I’ve seen you two! Weren’t you the double-action centrefold in July’s edition of Big Boys in Boots?” and “Yes, the sooner we get back the sooner you two can climb into a nice hot soapy bath and play spot the submarine” and then later on he’s still doing it when it’s just him and Lister in the room, saying stuff like “so is it a simple registry office or a full church do for you two?” and “Go on, he’s probably picked a ring”.
So he’s fully just bitterly saying Ace and Lister are so nauseatingly buddy-buddy together they might as well be getting married. What I find fun about all this is that at No Point does Lister ever leap to defend his own sexuality. Sure he knows Rimmer is just being Rimmer and most of his answers to these remarks are to remind Rimmer that anything he says and implies about Ace also bounces back to refer to himself because they were the same person at one point until their lives went in those different directions.
But he never bothers to also go hey man I don’t even like guys what the smeg are you on about? I know it’s intended to be like oh he doesn’t have to say that, that it goes without saying and we’re expected to assume Lister is straight and he doesn’t have to defend that when Rimmer’s just being an irrational smeghead. But I’d rather read a little more than may have been intended into it and I’m glad he doesn’t try to shut that particular little insinuation down there.
It is funny comparing it to the much later Duct Soup though, when Kochanski is trying to distract him from his claustrophobia by saying her universe version of him is gay and it throws him into an immediately defensive response going on about how he’s not gay, he couldn’t possibly be gay!!
Well, okay, Dave, you’re definitely bi tho
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"The thing is, he’s a coward. but he’s a coward. And he thinks he did the right thing; I pulled cards last night and got another anon that I’ll post in a minute. He’s deluded. You do what you need to do with who he is."
This will be long and you can post or not post but IMO he absolutely did the right thing over con and I'll explain why. It's quite possible that he was advised to just confirm this and move the fuck on with his life and that's why he was feeling happy. Maybe in exchange for confirming he never has to see her again or minimal to no contact. Now to the meat of what I'm going to say; take the cards and the feelings out of this and look at this from a business/relationship aspect; who would it have served for him to sit on that stage and deny the rumors? To not wear his ring? Only a small part of his fandom. Now sit back and think about what it would have looked like for him to deny the rumors; it would have caused him(and her) embarrassment, caused confusion for the general public(why did he wait so long to say something, are they actually a couple, what is the truth?) and created more questions than answers. Lastly and the biggest thing is what would denying the rumors have done for his relationship with the entertainment publications that he NEEDS, yes NEEDS to report on him? Enews, Entertainment Tonight, Page Six, PEOPLE and a host of others. He would essentially be calling them liars and that they didn't do their research before reporting on him. This man is not an A lister anymore; he's not gonna get a ton of chances to make people look like fools. All these publications would have needed to issue retractions and that's not a good look for THEIR reputations. Just confirm and go about your business.
That last sentence is where I'm at right now; I see a weak coward with no backbone who has NO integrity. If he had integrity, it would have never gotten this far. If he had integrity, Ghosted would have been the last time we heard of this woman, but he has none and he's also incredibly weak. If there's one thing I would like a good read on, it's him and the months of may, june and july because something went REAL awry during that time. That podcast in June? He was too relaxed for this woman to really still be heavily in the picture and then we got the disastrous GQ article. I want to say the strike had a lot to do with this progressing this far but I'm not sure. Anyway like I said, post or not. Just in my eyes this was the best course of action. I also don't think he has a good support system in place to help him if he went the other route. It is what it is.
This is an excellent point and I’m sure exactly what he was told. Just keep your head down and go along with it and it’ll be over soon. That’s also exactly why he shouldn’t have; this is a recurring lesson for him in choosing himself over external pressures. He didn’t want to do this, it has made him unhappy, and he ignored his own needs over the logic and potential benefits of just playing along. He can’t be king if he doesn’t choose the right thing over adversity; he can’t stay true to himself if he never does what is best for him others but don’t want him to. This made him sick, lost him tons of fans and his personal image, which I think was reflective of the person he tries to be and partly is already. He was an advocate and they paired him with a racist, and he didn’t stand up for his beliefs. He didn’t stand up for the people he had been vocal for. He didn’t stand up for himself. This is a lesson in choosing what is best for him over the exact arguments you’ve made, because he and his ideals matter more than all of that. Just like in history, where battles were won by people doing what was right despite the dangers and social pressures. Thank you for putting this down, many have asked what he’s afraid of, I think you painted the picture very well of what he was facing. I just think he chose wrong and will suffer consequences for it. He was meant to choose himself.
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Now with links to the books added! I sent the files to press for ECF July 2024, so you know what that means: The July issue reviews section is free to read on the journal website -- ecf.humanities.mcmaster.ca/bookreviews/
#18thCentury Get your read on!
ECF 36.3 Book titles, authors, publishers, reviewers; ToC titles, etc.
England Re-Oriented: How Central and South Asian Travelers Imagined the West, 1750–1857 by Humberto Garcia
Review by Eun Kyung Min, Seoul National University
Literary Authority: An Eighteenth-Century Genealogy by Claude Willan
Review by Paul Keen, Carleton University
Backlash: Libel, Impeachment, and Populism in the Reign of Queen Anne by Rachel Carnell
Review by Nicola Parsons, University of Sydney
Death and the Body in the Eighteenth-Century Novel by Jolene Zigarovich
Review by Heather Meek, Université de Montréal
Daniel Defoe in Context, ed. Albert J. Rivero and George Justice
Review by Kit Kincade, Indiana State University
Women and Property Ownership in Jane Austen by Rita J. Dashwood
Review by Lise Gaston, Concordia University
Romantic Fiction and Literary Excess in the Minerva Press Era by Hannah Doherty Hudson
Review by Elizabeth Neiman, University of Maine
Romanticism and the Biopolitics of Modern War Writing by Neil Ramsey
Review by Matthew Reznicek, University of Minnesota
Decoding Anne Lister: From the Archives to “Gentleman Jack,” ed. Chris Roulston and Caroline Gonda
Review by Ula Lukszo Klein, University of Wisconsin Oshkosh
Theology in the Early British and Irish Gothic, 1764–1834 by Sam Hirst Review by Jarlath Killeen, Trinity College Dublin
#eighteenth-century fiction#18th-century literature#18th century#18th-century novels#18th-century history#eighteenth century
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