#journeyman protectors of concord dawn

[chocobothis]

Etsy: Would you like a five dollar credit? It's you anniversary with the site.

Bo-Katan/Nite Owl things are really easy to find now. But, finding something with Fenn Rau/Journeyman Protectors of Concord Dawn? Unheard of. I love my Spicy Pilot so much even if I rarely post about it.

The coins are both far bigger than I imagined; like the size of my palm. I have to figure out how to best display them but I definitely want to get the ones with Hera and Kanan too.

Everything from SpectreSurplus on Etsy.

[mearchy]

I’ve almost no understanding of linguistics. But this post and also @thefoundationproject ‘s fics, which include bits about how the Journeyman Protector dialect might be related to Standard Mando’a, have me trying to hypothesize Mandalorian language trees. based on what we know about Mandalorian history.

I KNOW some of you are language nerds and I also did this in fifteen minutes please yell at me about your own headcanons and also about everything I got wrong/missed/forgot. It would be cool to turn it into a real graph to reference eventually (:

[fearmypaintbrush]

Sometimes my brain reminds me that, out of all the mandos who tried to put to words what it means to be a mando, you have the original resol’nare aka the 6 actions, which inspired the canons of honor, which in turn was inspiration for Tor Vizla’s Kyr’tsad (Death Watch) Manifesto, and Jaster Mereel’s Ori’ramikade (Supercommando) Codex.

And I think about the LENGTH differences between a single phrase of six core values, a group of canons, a manifesto and a codex. Like, I can’t stress enough that the reason we don’t have a canon Supercommando codex is because a codex is an entire book, a compilation of rules, lists, values, and priorities grouped together, organized, and put into book form.

And I think of the man who, upon seeing corruption right in front of him in the system he was apart of, his first response is to kill the superior officer who was apart of that corruption. Then when he’s been kicked out for killing a superior, and he sees that the corruption and injustice and dishonesty spread far beyond the Journeyman Protectors of Concord Dawn, that its everywhere in the galaxy, his response then is to write a fucking book.

[skybreakprimeonao3]

That feeling when you’re flipping through the 1998 Star Wars Encyclopedia and come across this:

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Concord Dawn The birthplace of Journeyman Protector Jaster Mereel, who later changed his name to Boba Fett after being exiled from the planet for killing another protector. Mereel was imprisoned on Concord Dawn and unsuccessfully defended in court by the Pleader Irving Creel. [TBH]

(TBH refers to Tales of the Bounty Hunters, Edited by Kevin J Anderson, Bantam Books, 1996)

[twinterrors29]

Cody was about 6 (physically 12) when he and his batchmates started looking up Jedi they might be assigned to on the holonet, ostensibly gathering intel on preferred tactics and planning maneuvers that play to the different Jedi's strengths

Cody, of course, saw some footage of Obi-Wan, looks up his profile, and immediately said 'that one, he's it'

Wolffe told him that he's insane, that there's no way he can know who he'll be assigned to work with when the time comes, and also that Kenobi wouldn't care in the slightest anyway

Cody, of course, replied simply: 'Challenge Accepted'

he snagged Obi-Wan's space-email address and sets himself up as a penpal

again, Cody was Baby, but he'd already started training to write like a Commander of the GAR

Obi-Wan, for his part, was initially very confused about this stranger emailing him and their very confusing way of speaking, combining intense military jargon applied to all areas of life with very childlike topics and focus

then he concluded that this stranger is an older teenager, ie an 18 year old, who just graduated from a military academy and into service, looking for someone to talk to with shared life experience

and well, he'd been feeling a little isolated, spending most of his time with only an increasingly moody Anakin for company away on missions, so he responded, and continued responding

they became friends, and as Cody grew older, he definitely developed a bit of crush on the cute older guy who was giving him positive attention

he expressed this affection primarily through stronger exhortations for Obi-Wan to wear armor on his missions, and suffered a lot of teasing from his batchmates for blushing while checking his messages

when Obi-Wan was assigned to the Padme protection mission, he told his penpal just enough detail that Cody was able to figure out who it is Obi-Wan was after

and he had just seen Prime's ship landing...

so Cody messaged Obi-Wan back immediately, over voice for the first time, telling him to stay put on Coruscant because he had a lead to offer

then staged a minor coup, captured Jango, and brought him to Coruscant to present to Obi-Wan as a gift

Obi-Wan, meeting the seemingly-early-20's Cody in his armor, had all of his assumptions about his penpal apparently validated: clearly, the man he'd been talking to for the past four years was about 18 at the start, and had grown into a confident and attractive young man

so he decided to flirt a little

Cody had never been so tongue tied in his life

however, he managed to rally, focusing on handling off Jango as the suspect in Obi-Wan's investigation

Jango, of course, immediately refused to give away any useful information, only opening his mouth to call Cody a traitor, which gave Obi-Wan the further wrong impression about Cody and Jango's previous connection, suggesting that they were members of the same military organization (their armor looks Mandalorian? or Mandalorian inspired? Satine was always fretting about some terror cell or other, and the Journeyman Protectors on Concord Dawn did still wear armor he recalled)

Cody agreed to be taken out on a sort-of-date while Judicial started processing Jango, and they both had a great time and expressed a desire to continue this relationship

but then Sidious insisted on getting his plan back on track, the whole clone-army thing came to light right as the war started, and Cody turned to Obi-Wan and asked if he can be assigned to his battalion

Obi-Wan agreed despite his concerns about conflict of interest; after all, he's still assigned to work with his Padawan all the time

Cody was very smug at having finally fully proven Wolffe wrong

and then, of course, Obi-Wan heard about the double aging, did some hurried mental math, and had a completely different set of moral crises to fret over

[tinky-dinky]

The Cuy’val Dar

Following on from my Jango post, I want to talk about the Cuy’val Dar.

The same warning as that post applies. This is largely my speculations based on canon, but not actually canon.

A note about Legends canon: Unless it is directly contradicted by the current canon, I choose to include Legends canon as canon.

So, the Cuy’val Dar (Mando’a meaning those who are lost) are the trainers Jango recruited to train the clones on Kamino. There were one hundred of these trainers, and seventy five of those one hundred were Mandalorians. The other twenty five were probably bounty hunters and general mercenaries.

Of the seventy five Mandos, we only know the names of 12 of them. Two, Isabet Reau and Dred Priest, were Death Watch sympathizers if not full on members. The other 10 have no stated allegiance but it’s my speculation that at least some of them were True Mandalorians under Jaster and Jango.

There are two whom I am almost certain were True Mandalorians. Kal Skirata is said to have known Jango for years, so he was obviously at least affiliated with the True Mandalorians. He was found by his adopted father, Munin Skirata, when Munin was on a mission with a group of mercenaries. My guess is those mercenaries were Jaster’s people, and possibly even included Jaster himself.

Rav Bralor was a close friend and comrade in arms of Kal Skirata’s long before Kamino, so obviously if he is a True Mandalorian, it stands to reason that she must have been one too.

There are two others who are potentially True Mandalorians. Llats Ward isn’t stated to have any particular affiliation but his chest plate has a whacking great mythosaur skull on it, which is the sigil of the True Mandalorians. Of course, it’s also just a generally important symbol in Mando culture, so Llats could have it on his armour for entirely different reasons.

Miij Gilmar, the trainer of the clone medics, wasn’t born a Mando but became one after he married a Mandalorian woman. She was murdered, unfortunately and he vowed revenge. It’s noted that he had a deep hatred for the death watch allied Dred Priest and Isabet Reau. My speculation is that his wife was killed by Death Watch and he may have joined (or already have been part of) the True Mandos to avenge her.

There is one more trainer I want to discuss in detail. His name is Cort Davin, and he was a Journeyman Protector on Concord Dawn. Obviously this is the same profession as Jaster and Fett Sr, so this suggests he may have been a colleague of theirs. It does seem that he stayed in the Journeyman Protectors until he was recruited into the Cuy’val Dar, so I don’t think he was a proper member of the True Mandos, but he could have been their ally.

We know virtually nothing of the remaining five named Mandos of the Cuy’val Dar, B’arin Apma, Swart Swifto, Wad’e Tayhaai, Vhonte Tervho and Walon Vau. I have no idea if any of these people were True Mandalorians. It’s possible.

A side tangent about Wad’e Tay’haai: one of the few things I could find about him is that his preferred weapons were a traditional Mando spear and a bes’bav. A bes’bav is a Mandalorian flute that doubles as a stabbing weapon. Of course the Mandos have a musical instrument that is also a weapon. Of course they do. It makes me wonder how many other musical weapons exist in Mando culture. And how many other things Mandos have made into weapons. Many, many things probably.

Anyways, this brings me onto the point of this post: why would any True Mandalorians would agree to train the clones despite it going against their well established code of protection over children? And how did Jango feel about these people that were once his?

It’s my personal speculation that any True Mandalorians that joined the Cuy’val Dar on Kamino did so for a number of reasons. The New Mandalorian pacifists were in charge on Mandalore, so anyone wishing to keep their culture couldn’t stay there. I can’t imagine that Mandalorians are welcomed in many places in the galaxy, so it’s possible some of them joined because it guaranteed a place to live and a source of income and food.

Some might have joined out of loyalty to Jango. Perhaps they thought he wouldn’t allow the clones to be treated badly and by the time it became apparent that he would, they couldn’t back out. Perhaps they wanted to help him and therefore help the clones.

I doubt any of them were actually told what they were being recruited for. It was a secret, after all, and I don’t think telling a bunch of Mandalorians ‘there’s a facility where they’re cloning children to be trained as child soldiers for a war in which they’re likely to die’ would go well.

Honestly, I just find the Cuy’val Dar quite interesting. Who are these people? Why did they agree to come to Kamino? What did they feel about the clones?

[padawansuggest]

Someone needs to just start hitting me for my crimes.

Every time I think to myself ‘oh, I should work on the next chapter for — series’ I go to google docs (yes I am recently learning they are bad and I need to transfer things to a new writing library cause wtf) and I search some key terms or character names into the search and I’m all ‘I don’t remember what I titled this doc let’s just see what’s there’ and instead of. Writing the next chapter. Of the work I was looking for.

I find.

A new.

First chapter to a new fic.

That I forgot about.

And then I finish that one and post it instead and then I have even more readers asking me to update a new series. It’s. It’s so rude. Bam stop writing new shit challenge!!!! 😡

Anyways. Anyone interested in an AU where Stewjon and Concord Dawn are very close neighbors but Stewjon is too far into Mandalorian space for the senate to allow contact with the Jedi so they aren’t allowed to contact them when they got new kids to send to them but it’s much easier to travel if you have towns/cities on other planets (like Little Keldabe, which basically acts as an embassy for their people on Coruscanta, and other places like that) but also the Stewjoni foster system worker that contacts Journeyman Protector Jaster also has neither the time nor resources to make the trip and also Stewjon doesn’t have an embassy on Coruscant so the closest they can get are onto neutral docking ports around the galaxy but if they ask too many questions about the Jedi they’ll get blocked and so Jaster agrees to bring their kiddo to the Jedi but also to keep him for a couple months to get him to calm down in a place where he can have a dedicated caregiver (and two annoying ori’vod in the form of Jango and Arla, one of whom tries to give him A Knife and the other who isn’t stupid) and then bring him to the Jedi so he’s less traumatized by the trip there and then instead of leaving him they Come Back with some Jedi (probably in my drafts Obi isn’t even with them yet lol they’re just talking with the foster care worker rn) and it’s gonna involve a lot of toddler Obi and big brother Jango????

Anyways. Who knows what I’ll write next 🤷‍♀️

[blxsscd-x-fxrsakcn]

star wars verse random hcs under the cut

so, there's a canonical(ish) "angel species" in SW- diathim

-full name: jibr'iil tionas rook

- would be a force-sensitive diathim-human hybrid ( illegally created after clone banning )

◇ verses: post-Order 66 & TFA / TLJ / TROS compliant

- when using thermal vision / force sight, eyes become yellow with black sclera ( normally blue-gray )

- got wings ( not feathered, more fairy-like / connected via extra tissue and muscle ), three sets each, made denser and stronger by genetic tampering

- grew up aboard various spacer vessels under death watch loyalists' control ( ex-clan rook ), before being deposited on concord dawn, training with the journeyman protectors. as a foundling he was generally ignored ( the elders hadn't felt he'd fit when returned to his " parent " species ).

- apprenticeship as a medic ended in failure, but learning more about alien / human anatomy, er, helped

- once gaining enough credits / access to ship parts in adulthood, moving to black spire outpost, skipping around various 'rim territories for "jobs" ( bounty hunting )

- personal ship was a former x-wing, but lost in a skirmish; 'borrowed' a gauntlet starship after

- known as the "Ghost of Iego" / "Wraith" due to phasing ability

◇ abilities ( natural & force ) - flight ( wings ), phasing ( solid matter only ), telepathy, telekinesis, force barrier, alter environment ( heat, smoke / ash ), force absorption / redirection

◇ weapon(s): vibroblade / smaller knife, both with cortosis weave to deflect lightsabers & blaster fire

- armor is made of songsteel / beskar combo, NOT cheap in the slightest

- fingertips always a strange color due to the type of material he smuggles ( radioactive minerals, rocks and other alien fauna / flora for dyes, kyber crystals / lab grown kyber, droid parts, etc )

- civilian outfit includes dark, neutral, and / or earthy tones; leather jacket and pants, along with boots, longsleeved shirts from simple, lightweight fabrics

- hair isn't naturally blond, bleached with dark roots ( likely brown ), facial scruff left alone ( hair does have a silvery sheen in certain light )

- always has a packet of cigaras (cigarettes) on his person, or smoking one

- practices are much like fetts' own: "for the highest price / most interested buyer"

- serves himself, and only himself. not happy about the republic / empire / various guilds hounding to "ally" with

- does he know he's diathim? no, not in the beginning, just thinks he's one of galactic society's many outcasts ( he does long for that knowledge anyways and what it means )

[curvedlightsabers]

yeah sabine's one of the best characters in star wars tbh, she has such a unique relationship with being a Mandalorian, what with her family's history with death watch then reluctant imperial collaboration, then their involvement with the rebellion and uniting the clans, and her personal experience with having her cultural and personal identity and artistic expression suppressed in the academy, and feeling betrayed by everyone in her life leading to her trust issues especially in seasons 1 and 3

weirdly i wouldn't super mind if she's been staying on Lothal all this time tho

way back when, in the old eu, a big part of being a mandalorian was being a "journeyman protector," whose job was to protect fringe towns on places like Concord Dawn. The little blood leaf sigil on boba fetts chest was a journeyman protector sigil, and Fenn Rau's Protectors are a sort of remnant of this concept.

I think sabine Becoming a Protector could be an interesting sort of rite of passage for her, and dedicating herself that particular mandalorian tradition after having so much time at a distance from those ways. if its done as an outgrowth of her own character rather than something she does cause someone tells her to, thatd be pretty nice. it wouldn't even necessarily preclude her from having a life outside of that as we know she was a bit involved with the arts in the new republic

that being said they're not going to do any of this they're just gonna say "she was there 10 years For Him and did nothing dont worry about it she's basically an extension of that guy they're looking for"

[nieithryn]

An Anon asked: Meta + Sintas [For Boba? You seem to use his Legends canon]

Nonny, I want to give you a lil smooch, because this is such a thoughtful lil thing to send me, and you're right, I do mainly use Boba's Legends canon! Partly because I haven't actually seen Book of Boba Fett as yet (...I'm working on it) and partly because I actually think it's an important and meaningful storyline that gets misinterpreted (willfully or otherwise) by folks a lot.

Boba loved Sintas. Wholly, unconditionally. After he got out of prison, she was another youngster in the outlaw scene, and she didn't want to be there any more than he did. She said she wanted to get out of the life, and Boba had never really wanted to be in it. She said she wanted to be normal, to have a family like they never had. And Boba agreed.

There were red flags he probably should have noted, but he was only 14 when they started sort-of seeing one another. It didn't seem weird to him that she made their encounters more about her than him. He didn't notice how she corrected him frequently, shaping their shared future into her dream rather than a collaboration. But he didn't realize that those weren't healthy. She stayed, she said she loved him, and she asked him to take her away from their life, to build a new one with her, and he did.

Boba got a real, stand-up job as a Journeyman Protector. He married her. He was so excited to be a father, to raise Ailyn. To be a normal person, to have the life his father couldn't have or give him. To give his daughter that life. He loved his wife, and he wanted her to have that life too. Normal, quiet, peaceful.

Sintas didn't love their life that much. She loved the idea of being a family woman, but she resented being at home on the farm while Boba worked. She left him to care for their daughter when he got home, and they fought frequently about that and many other things. They fought over everything, really, but he thought they could work things out. He always thought they could work things out.

Boba would have done anything for his family, and he did. He killed a man for his wife, and rather than seeing it as the love he bore her, the urge to avenge her honor and protect her and their daughter, Sintas accused him of ruining their lives. She refused to join him off of Concord Dawn after his exile, instead staying where he could never go back, effectively cutting him off from his child. She told him she never wanted to see him again.

He grew to resent her. He resented being denied his daughter, being told that he could never see her, that he was the reason Ailyn would have no father. He resented Sintas acting as if he abandoned them, and he resented her becoming a bounty hunter again after she sent him away, when she could have done any job to raise their daughter. He resented her making everything his fault.

He also believed everything she said. He never remarried. He never tried for another family. He believed he did ruin their life, but he was barely more than a child himself. He felt responsible.

And he still loved her.

Boba held onto the flame of that love for decades. Loved her from afar, with pain, even after learning she turned their daughter so far against him that she wanted him dead. Still loved her even after learning she left their daughter alone in the galaxy.

Boba Fett died still loving the woman he fell in love with at the age of 14. Despite the insecurities she caused in him, the pain. Despite the wounds she inflicted that never ever stopped bleeding. He never stopped loving her. He never thought himself worthy of anyone's love ever again, but he still loved her, even into his sixties, seventies. Even after she was freed from carbonite, a fraction of his age, he gave her a culturally significant gemstone necklace to let her 'catch up' with his memories (Sintas is a kiffar with psychommetry) from the time after they broke up. He still loved her, despite it all. Wanted her to catch up with him, opened his soul to her.

Theirs was a horrid, toxic love, traumatized teenager and pre-teen romance that should never have gotten past a crush, but for his part, Boba loved Sintas truly and deeply.

(Anyway, if you want a good overview of the Vibes of Boba and Sintas' relationship, these songs, in order: Take Me To Church Abracadabra The Dreamin' That's All My Life Hope you enjoy the suffering!)

[bylightofdawn]

Hrm....I'm writing this scene which...not gonna lie I'm kinda hesitant to include but it also kind of speaks to Jaster's whole backstory and why he's been acting certain ways in this fic. A million years ago in one of the short stories you have this story that opens with Boba Fett under the name of Jaster Mereel, a young Journeyman Protector. He is rotting in jail having murdered another Protector, a man who they later expound upon in a different story who raped his wife because it's the 90's. Anyway they then gave Jaster a similar backstory of having murdered a superior officer which made things SUPER murky and confusing for a while there.

So I've been writing Jaster as someone who stands up for the abused, downtrodden etc because he's borderline ridiculous at times and is a little wrong genre savvy. And I've long established in my headcanon and hinted at somewhat that he was in love with someone back on Concord Dawn who died around the time he was exiled. I'd kinda had it in the back of my mind that their death combined with the whole corruption thing was why he ended up murdering said superior officer.

Now I'm debating having it be more than that, they were the wife of said superior officer who got sauced and would beat her up. And Jaster kept trying to help her escape but she kept forgiving him and going back until he finally does kill her. And that's why Jaster ended up killing him in turn but thin blue line dictated they couldn't let it out this high ranking member of the Protectors was an abuser so they just pinned the whole corruption thing on why Jaster did it and offered him exile just to get him far, far away. Cause NGL it's always been a little weird he straight

But domestic violence is so triggering. Hell, I went through it with my mom and her constantly going back to her abuser so it's kinda rough to write. But it kinda of explains why he's been doing the things he's been doing with Arla etc. And....I dunno. I mean I can always remove it don't the line but keep it in for now.

-rolls around uselessly-

I dunno, I'm also debating if I am going to do WIP Sunday. I just returned from my step-father's birthday dinner at my mom's house and I am full of ribs + brisket and cake and ice cream so I am very much going a Hutt impression right now and being productive sounds like a lot of work. LOL If I do, it'll be later near midnight though it's already 10pm.

Woof where did today go??

[mandalorianchronicles]

I really love this analysis, and I also really would enjoy seeing Din fill that role as first knight, so to speak.

I would point out that Bo-Katan actually did have a protector when she first took the Darksaber: Fenn Rau. Fenn Rau was a Journeyman Protector who guarded the colony on Concord Dawn. The Protectors' duty had been to guard the leaders of Mandalore. Their ranks were made up of Mandalorians from every clan, so they didn't have an established loyalty. Fenn had left to train clones as pilots during Satine's reign, but she did have her own royal guards, who served the same purpose. The other Protectors of Concord Dawn were wiped out by Gar Saxon in Rebels, and Fenn alone survived. He returned to Mandalore because of Sabine and pledged himself to Bo-Katan when she first accepted the Darksaber.

We don't know what happened to him after that, but there have been rumors that he will appear in live action, also played by the same actor who voiced him. Although I love his character, I almost wish that he would have died in the Purge...only because I feel like he and Din might end up being rivals where Bo is concerned, and I really wouldn't want that. I adore Fenn Rau, and he was someone who, like Din, fought very well alongside Bo-Katan. If he showed up, I really don't know who I'd be rooting for to fill the position of "Protector".

The Protector: Thoughts about Satine, Bo, and Din as rulers of Mandalore

This has already been discussed in much better detail here, here, and here, but I realized the other day that there is another aspect to the Bo-Katan vs. Din ruling Mandalore with the Darksaber that hasn't been mentioned.

I firmly agree that Din Djarin as a character is meant to serve as the Guardian/Protector, not the Ruler, of Mandalore. He is literally a knight in shining armor. His name could be a reference to the term Paladin (thank you for this @katherynefromphilly). I mean look at him.

Granted, I was excited to see him wield the Darksaber and potentially follow the reluctant leader trope. BUT. I think the direction they are taking him and Bo-Katan is much better.

So how does Satine factor into this, you ask? Here's how. What did Satine not have, as a leader? A PROTECTOR.

Now, she had Obi-Wan. And I believe she even called him her protector at one point (am I imagining this?) And he did what he could to keep her safe and give her guidance.

But he wasn't really able to be her protector the way she needed. They were not able to merge their lives together the way they might have wanted. And Satine's rule suffered and was cut short due to her lack of wise counsel, her lack of someone to lean on who had both her and Mandalore's best interests at heart. (We're going to ignore the Palpatine/Empire component which would have brought down Mandalore regardless, and did so in spite of both Satine and Bo-Katan's efforts).

What has Bo-Katan also not had until now? That same protection. And her efforts have also failed, until now.

I am not at all saying that either of these incredible women need a man to be able to rule. They are strong, capable, and independent leaders in their own right. But what they do need is the space to rule, the support and protection and gaps filled that someone having their back could give them, in order to be effective and far reaching in their efforts. Good leaders have to delegate. If they try to handle everything themselves, their energy and efforts will be diminished. And the role of the guardian/protector/paladin is to do just that.

I hope we get to see just how amazing of a team these two can be, supporting each other, filling in the gaps, and coming together to unite their separate definitions of Mandalorian and their respective tribes into one renewed dynasty. (Also keeping my fingers crossed for a Satine mention in live action PLEASE).

This is the Way.

[ollovae3]

Sketched this a couple days ago and wanted to post!! A lil redraw of my old (2020) bust art of Bacara, had a bunch of fun with it??

Super happy to see the improvement in faces and also in line work/expressions?? Now tempted to draw Neyo again cause my brain says they're batchmates— 👀

Hope y'all like it!! Time to catch up on Study Week for mARTch and then the work for Contrast Week 👌💖

Old art below!

[bisexualmikisayaka]

this is just quite frankly bizarre, but i want to see more mandalorians in mando s3. i want to see the wren clan, i want to see fenn rau. i want whoever those clan heads who pledged allegiance to bo-katan were. i wanna see bkk get reamed out in a cantina by an angry scottish space warrior yelling at her about how sabine should have kept the darksaber because clearly the literal teenager had a better chance at keeping the ancestral weapon of their people away from their enemies than the lady who lost it twice, and then turning to din and boba like hi mand’alor, hi jango fett’s son, how are you both doing today

[tinky-dinky]

Okay, so I need to calm down from some fury inducing obikin shit, so I'm going to ramble about Jango Fett and my belief that he is a Mandalorian by birth as well as by adoption. Here goes.

Jango's parents do not have first names so we'll just refer to them as Fett Sr and Mrs Fett.

Fett Sr served in the Journeyman Protectors alongside Jaster Mereel, who is definitely Mandalorian by birth. Jaster is from Concord Dawn, as are the senior Fetts, their daughter Arla and, of course, baby boy Jango. Concord Dawn is a planet in the Mandalorian sector, and appears to be home to a lot of Mandalorians. My theory is that it is probably a colony of Mandalore's from its Empire days.

If Jaster Mereel, born on Concord Dawn and member of the Journey Protectors, is considered Mandalorian by birth, then it follows that Fett Sr, also a Journey Protector and also probably born on Concord Dawn, is also Mandalorian by birth.

We know next to nothing about Mrs Fett. However, the main thing we do know is that she shot a fully armoured member of Death Watch with a blaster rifle to save her son. Saving one's child by way of suicidally reckless fit of parental instinct is exceedingly Mandalorian.

Therefore, Fett Sr and Mrs Fett's bouncing baby boy Jango is, in fact, Mandalorian by birth.

Now why is this important, you may be asking?

Simple: Jango Fett did the most Mandalorian thing ever recorded in the history of Mandalorians and produced millions of warrior babies.

Are those warrior babies (and, yes, the clones are babies, the eldest of them is, what, 10 at the start of the clone wars. babies. all of them.) Mandalorians?

Yes. By the simple logic of: Jango, Mandalorian twice over via birth and via adoption, considers Boba, a clone, to be his son. Boba is, therefore, Mandalorian by birth (by decanting?), by the logic of shared parental ethnicity. There is not a single valid reason why the other millions of clones are not also Jango's sons (if one clone is his son, the others are too) so, therefore, they are all also Mandalorians by birth/decanting.

The main point of this is that if they were able to and wanted to, the millions of highly trained, armoured and armed warrior babies could turn up on Mandalore with every right to citizenship. Satine cultural-genocide-is-okay Kryze's face would be hilarious. Proud Grandpa Jaster is beaming from Mando Heaven.

[nightfall-1409]

So like #1 I don't disagree w/ ur point broadly i want to make that entirely clear up front I'm more pointing out that there is a nuanced conversation to be had around her character, I agree that she gets a shit hand most of the time in fandom spaces bc of oftentimes just. blatant misogyny. I also want to state I mean no ill will to you and if I come off strong, just I'm autistic, I mean no disrespect to you and indeed respect your opinions. I'm putting this under a read more bc. it's long.

With that said, though: with regards to Concord Dawn, I would go ahead and say that the extra tangential canon of star wars rebels has come back around to say that, yes, the people from Concord Dawn and more specifically the Journeyman Protectors, which Jaster and Jango were in legends ofc and in that legends material weren't Mandos have become mandos. I don't actually care for much of legends and KT in particular I loathe with great fervor for her openly fascist viewpoints and baldfaced misogyny.

I take the "the Journeyman protectors of concord dawn are mandalorians" explicitly from star wars rebels + the Kanan comics. Fenn Rau is a mandalorian who was involved in the clone wars, he is from Concord Dawn, he is a Protector. Concord Dawn has been in the Mandalorian system since it was conquered by Mandalorians, at this point in the star wars canon / legends that was hundreds if not thousands of years ago. Concord Dawn in Rebels is shown as this planet that was devastated by Mandalorian civil wars to the point that it is half a planet. People from Concord Dawn, by all rights, then, should be considered Mandalorian, that they aren't betrays the underpinning of my particular issues, that those who chose violent careers ie bounty hunters were considered threats to her society. And we can have discussions wrt how to take Rebels but imo it should take precedence over legends material at the very least, and it is legends material that suggests that those from Concord Dawn aren't mandalorian. We know 3 named people from the system, a bounty hunter, a bounty hunter wearing Mandalorian armor, and one Mandalorian. Sabine explains that the people on Concord Dawn are mandalorians, and we are left with two named individuals from Concord Dawn who are both bounty hunters, one of whom is explicitly (by Almec, yes) called not a Mandalorian in spite of him being for all intents and purposes a Mandalorian, and yes that relies upon legends, but it was somewhat recanonized in The Mandalorian as Boba tells Din that the armor is his by right, as Jango Fett was his father, and Jango Fett was a foundling. We already know that they have exiled a good number of their citizens and revoked their citizenship, is it hard to extrapolate that out to say that bounty hunters were also potentially exiled? I don't think it is. It is an extrapolation of canon, but a rather reasonable one.

With that stated, in the canon clone wars, it's explicitly stated that swaths of the population were exiled and had their citizenship revoked, sending them to Concordia and declaring they are not Mandalorian. In exiling them to Concordia, she is explicitly removing their ability to call themselves Mandalorian. Considering that Mandalorian is both a state and a religion, that is saying "You are no longer Mandalorian." It is definitionally an act of violence, expulsion from your own identity. It is an act of violence that is perhaps the only rational thing to do, but just because it is rational and because it is reasonable does not mean that there aren't consequences for that decision and does not remove the word violence from the equation. Star wars is great in that the actors within it behave like real world actors do, by and large, and there are no consequence free decisions. It may have been the most just thing for her to do but that does not negate that it was in itself an act of state violence. Much as with the real world, what powers you grant the state to enact upon the wicked can be used to oppress the innocent and we should not give the state the power to do things that we would not want done to us.

Speaking again specifically of Rebels, at least some fanon has no doubt been drawn from the way that a young, teenaged Sabine interpreted and understood the actions of Satine through the lens of her Death Watch embedded mother. She calls a weapon meant to destroy Mandalorians by attacking their armor The Duchess. To what degree this is propaganda surrounding Satine in-universe is unknown. I've always taken the idea that it's not directed to the New mando movement as a whole because of Alrich Wren, who appears to be a New Mando by the way he refuses to fight and Sabine describes him as fighting with his words and with diplomacy. Which, again, sort of hints at this underbelly narrative wrt Mandalorians.

Re what violence I find acceptable in public, the answer is none, hence my hedging comments about a lot of the feelings around violence come from a meta narrative understanding of star wars. It is difficult to extract the situation on Mandalore from what is about to happen to the galaxy; ie as Satine is demilitarizing Mandalore because of their historical civil wars and the way it has ravaged their system at the same time as individuals like Tarkin are militarizing Eriadu and other outer rim systems with a mind to fascism and ascending to power. Much in the same way as "come meet me in the middle, says the unjust man," there is no meaningful way to overcome fascist takeover without violence.

That's not satine's fault, though, hence why I noted that in my original notes. It's the audience perspective that she has no way of being privy to. Things she would know about though are the militarization efforts of the Trade Federation, the Commerce Guild, those things she would know as head of state.

The Mandalorian Guard were a police force on Mandalore, the Mandalore Protectors were Satine's private royal guard. The databank entries for both of them on the star wars page indicate that they're a tradition on Mandalore preserved for the goal of protecting the state. With that in mind, what she is effectively stating is that the only justifiable violence is the violence enacted by the state. Hence why I call it "pro-cop." If the only individuals who have justified use of force are cops (and we see them use force, we're explained explicitly that they are an ancient tradition preserved), that is pro-cop. Satine even tells them that they're the only ones she can trust to investigate certain matters (TCW; Corruption), she supported it as an institution she could use, and it is that exact set of circumstances that allows them to become corrupt in the ways we see in the show. Showing my cards, I don't think that the state should have the go-ahead to be the only justified use of force. State violence should be limited to the absolute minimum, but that isn't what's going on here. Instead we see that she has said that other "traditional" jobs of violence are not legitimate, the ones that protect the power of the state are, setting up an inherent unequal system of hard power.

An issue I have with your refutation is the conceit that these are issues that cannot be solved with welfare or other forms of social intervention, because iirc I don't think that's ever brought up in the canon. The methods that we see Satine / the Mandalorian state deal with bad actors are prison and exile. I'm an abolitionist, and it is reflective of the critiques that GL was levying against the US and other such IRL liberal entities that for all our idealism we cannot separate ourselves from the idea of justice involving the prison system. It is one of the very few reoccurring places that we see on Mandalore, the only other distinct location we revisit in multiple episodes is the throne room. We even see an explicitly canonically innocent woman (in fact, satine!) thrown into that same prison so that the state (Almec, in this instance) can strong arm her into doing what they want her to.

More what i meant IRT capitalism and the injustices of the galaxy were not the clone wars but rather, again, in reference to Mandalore itself. the reason why Almec and various Mandalorian officials did what they did was because corporations had leveraged their power in the space of the planet of Mandalore. Almec and the cops betrayed Mandalore because of the inherent power imbalance between them and the corporate alliance, on Mandalore.

As for the unfair distribution of wealth and power, that's again got nothing to do with the clone wars, but is in fact about the pyramid society established on Mandalore that Satine benefits from. She is a member of the nobility, she is the Duchess, in much of the imagery we see in TCW she is talking down to people who are fighting for others. The image of her sitting upon a tower above Obi-Wan amongst republic senators is one that lives in my head rent free, and was no doubt explicit imagery in the show.

None of this is saying that Satine is a bad person, btw, but rather it is more complicated than just trying to rationalize it as just.

"Satine needed to learn how to compromise"

What in the actual show makes you think she didn't already compromise?

Why did the traditional Mandalorians NOT need to learn how to compromise?

What was wrong about Satine, in the actual text of the show, that makes compromise necessary?

I need you to give me an answer that does not echo "meet me in the middle, says the unjust man" for the trads who Just Want To Keep Their Guns. Satine canonically doesn't ban armor (people wear it), doesn't ban the language (she speaks at least two dialects, Korkie takes notes in it, and it's on all the signage), doesn't ban the food (no evidence for or against, because that's an insane thing to ban so why would anyone even touch on it), doesn't ban the culture except for saying "don't do war."

So, based on the text of the show...

Why did Satine "need to learn how to compromise," and what makes you think she didn't already do so?