#jianghu vs wuxia
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On the one hand, it's really great to have a partner who is also interested in wuxia/xianxia. It's pretty niche here in the US, but I can talk about cultivation and jianghu and orthodox vs unorthodox and he knows what I'm saying (though he uses the Korean murim instead of the Chinese jianghu, lol).
On the other hand, he keeps calling Mount Hua "Mount Hoo-a" and it makes me want to stab my eardrums.
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Bring on the mutant clones!
So apparently, the way to get a good, 'proper' wuxia drama these days that isn't yet another Jin Yong or Gu Long adaptation is to make a well-constructed fanfiction-style re-imagination of a JY or GL classic. That way it can be simultaneously fresh and familiar. And if the writing, acting, action sequences, etc. are good, it's so much fun and I love it. These past few years, I really enjoyed watching "Word of Honor" and "Mysterious Lotus Casebook", both of which are clear cases of this. (Note: I haven't read the books for WoH or MLC, so this is based on the dramas only.)
"Word of Honor" is obviously heavily inspired by Jin Yong's "Smiling Proud Wanderer" (Xiao Ao Jiang Hu), except redone as a BL/danmei. It even keeps the various orthodox sects from XAJH (the Five Mountains Sword Schools Alliance! plus the Shaolin, Wudang, Beggars, etc.) as part of the setting, features a hunt for a MacGuffin (key to some ultimate power or other), and is full of that flavor of treachery and scheming for power reminiscent of XAJH. It's been a while since I watched WOH, so I've forgotten most of the details, but I remember getting a strong XAJH vibe from it.
"Mysterious Lotus Casebook", which I just finished watching and loved even more than "Word of Honor", has more of the feel of Gu Long's "Sentimental Swordsman, Ruthless Sword" (Xiaoli Feidao series, book 1). Come on, the protagonists even have the same surname: Lotus Li (Xiangyi/Lianhua) vs Flying Dagger Li (Xunhuan)!
Both of them can pass as scholarly types (though Gu Long's Mr. "Number Three in the Exams" Li more so) and went from a high status position to retiring from the jianghu for ten years. Both are clever, tricky types who live by their wits.
Both of them pushed their female love interests (and deceived them) onto their 'friend' who actually hated/plotted against them. The protagonist comes off better (as in, I don't want to punch him in the face quite as much) in MLC than in "Sentimental Swordsman" --- he doesn't treat her as his property to be traded away. And in theory the female character had more agency in MLC, though I felt let down by the actor here. I think she was supposed to be more driven by guilt (because she broke up with the male lead right before his supposed death) rather than sadly pining after and still in love with him. It would have worked better if she came off as being genuinely in love with the other character, but on screen it feels like she was just worn down and never liked him that much. So as a 'fix-it' to that aspect of "Sentimental Swordsman"… maybe. In theory.
They both get the "enemy is someone you thought you had good relations with" trope (admittedly a common one in wuxia)…
…While their real friend is called "A-Fei" and is a top-notch swordsman. And both A-Fei's are plagued by a professional seductress (who uses drugs and poisons) who clings to/falls in love with them!
They both meet their number one fans. Dagger Li actually marries his in the end, but in MLC that only happens in the eyes of the real life fans (the subtext is definitely there, though I prefer to read it as platonic bromance). The whole thing is funnier in MLC, with Fang Duobing starting out as a naive doofus who claims to everyone he's a disciple of (supposedly dead) Li Xiangyi, including to the man himself and to A-Fei who knows the truth. Then he feels so betrayed when he finds out the truth, and that was all done really well in the show. Another similarity: the girl in "Sentimental Swordsman" has a kick-ass granddad, while Fang Duobing has his mom (another great character), the leader of Tianji Hall (I love a good mechanism specialist).
There's an actual book in-world that lists the top-ranked martial artists! The MLC one seems to be updated regularly, even. That was also a thing in "Sentimental Swordsman", with characters constantly citing the book at each other, and some were completely obsessed. It's kind of a running joke in both.
Solving all the mysteries (and the tomb raiding!) was reminiscent of Chu Liuxiang, another Gu Long protagonist (my childhood favorite). And for non-wuxia influences, Li Lianhua reminded me of Howl from "Howl's Moving Castle" with the lying and slithering out of situations, not to mention the cool-looking mobile home!
So yeah, instead of trying to get a fresh take on adapting a book that's already been adapted like twenty times and offending the purists if you make too many weird changes, file off the serial numbers and take a few steps to the side for a more interesting and coherent re-mix! And set it in a fictional dynasty so you can use fake historical figures and kingdoms to suit your plot without worrying about slandering real people (while I love Jin Yong's use of actual history, even he ended up changing some characters in later revisions because of that) or how much the characters are allowed to affect things on a bigger scale. Plus you can update and improve on the things that were annoying or outdated in the "classics". You're free to change the meaning of the tale to suit yourself without any need to distort the intentions of the original writer.
That's not to say it's impossible to come up with completely new wuxia stories, but building new variations on old stories is worthwhile, too. And beneath any surface similarities, each version has its own story to tell. That said, ninety percent of everything is crap… so besides these two shows I liked, there were a bunch of ones I didn't, whether an adaptation of an old wuxia classic or something newer. (Some of those may improve in later episodes, but I guess I'll never know…)
Long live the mutant clones!
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When will the mdzs Jianghu society vs regular wuxia jianghu society meta return from the war
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2023 "To Read" List [updating]
This is less of a "to read" list that I'm try to work through and more of a compilation of recommendations that I find interesting. Definitely something that would likely be longer rather shorter by end of the year.
My current plan is to add and rearrange new titles as needed, but new additions will be annotated [NEW]. If I finish a title in 2023 , I can cross it off (yay dopamine!) and keep it on the list, because recording that once in my reading log list just isn't enough.
Titles in each category are roughly arranged for "priority," like, very roughly.
Historical & Wuxia
Probably my favorite genre, dating back to my childhood watching period dramas growing up in China. Sometimes I want to wrack my brains figuring out all the details in intricate political plots. Sometimes I want to escape to a fantastical adventures with swords and long-flowing robes. I love everything here.
杀破狼 priest -- Sha Po Lang -- Part of me is like trying to "save" this fic for when I feel like I invest sufficient attention and emotion in it, since it's like one of the most recommended titles in my favorite genre.
无双 梦溪石 -- Peerless
乱世为王 顾雪柔 --To Rule in a Turbulent World -- [finished about 2/5 and paused]
一剑霜寒 语笑阑珊 -- A Sword of Frost -- this title is one of the first overwhelming recommendations I got when I started reading danmei, but somehow I still haven't read anything by this author
暴君[重生] 漫漫何其多
江湖遍地是奇葩 语笑阑珊 -- Everywhere in Jianghu is Wonderful
督主有病 杨溯 -- Governor’s Illness
帝王攻略 语笑阑珊 -- The Emperor's Stratagem
山有木兮 非天夜翔 -- Shan You Mu Xi -- Can't help but be curious after Joyful Reunion
鹰奴 非天夜翔 -- Yingnu
江东双璧 非天夜翔 -- Twin Jades of Jiangdong
逐王 水千丞 -- The Blood Crown
Xianxia & Historical Fantasy
I think of Xianxia as my "home" in danmei, since I started in the genre with mxtx books, but since you need to keep track of the fantasy world building components as well as the historical ones, most of these are not easy reads you can sneak in for a quick break during busy days.
六爻 priest
余污 肉包不吃肉 -- I have been told this is not a bad way to get a sense of Meatbun's style without committing to the monstrosity (wordcount-wise) that is 2Ha
魔尊也想知道 青色羽翼 -- Devil Venerable Also Wants to Know -- [1/10 progress, paused]
天宝伏妖录 非天夜翔 -- Tianbao Fuyao Lu
定海浮生录 非天夜翔 -- Dinghai Fusheng Records
二哈和他的白猫师尊 肉包不吃肉
南禅 唐酒卿
铜钱龛世 木苏里
剑名不奈何 淮上
桃花债 大风刮过
如意蛋 大风刮过
琢玉 墨书白
折枝 困倚危楼
Actors/Celebrities
I find this genre very easy to read because they share many of the same world-building elements, and I enjoy themes of balancing public vs private identities, which all of us do to some extent in our daily lives.
台风眼 潭石
营业悖论 稚楚
2401 功夫包子
明日星程 金刚圈
内娱第一花瓶 三三娘
空降热搜 颜凉雨
人设之王 娜可露露
Modern (General)
Includes genres like mystery, E-sports, romance, etc. I may have the highest expectation of this genres because it's too easy for it to feel "not real enough"
AWM[绝地求生] 漫漫何其多-- AWM[PUBG] -- [In progress 1/10] The most recommended E-sports novel, to the extent I feel bad I didn't start with this one.
火焰戎装 水千丞 -- Blazing Armor
燎原 不问三九-- [In progress 3/5] "Mature men in love," fans say.
纸飞机 潭石
过门 Priest
皮囊 潭石
附加遗产 水千丞 -- supposedly one of the best 188 novels in terms of quality,
犯罪心理 长洱 -- fun fact: I found out that for a long time before 2017, this was by far the most popular danmei on JJWXC, and it's still one of the Big Three Mystery Novels along with Modu and Poyun.
沉舟 楚寒衣青 -- in progress 1/5. I'm fascinated by what appears to be the only well-know story (or just the only one left?) that focuses on elite Chinese politics, which of course, has gotten a lot less fun and safe and speculate about since then.
你的距离 公子优
年花 静水边
大哥 Priest
荣光[电竞] 龙柒 -- wait this has one million + words?
邪门的爱情出现了 丧心病狂的瓜皮 (ABO)
Urban Fantasy, Infinity Flow & Quick Transmigration
The "Modern but with magic" or "Modern but multiple stories in one story" genre.
不要在垃圾桶里捡男朋友 骑鲸南去
薄雾[无限] 微风几许
烈火浇愁 Priest
判官 木苏里
纸片恋人 楚寒衣青
病案本 肉包不吃肉
BE狂魔求生系统 稚楚
我五行缺你 西子绪
步天纲 梦溪石
全球高考 木苏里
Science Fiction
"More in the future than Modern" or "Apocalypse".
小蘑菇 一十四洲
残次品 Priest
一级律师[星际] 木苏里
不死者 淮上
日落大道 卡比丘
寒武再临 水千丞
2013 非天夜翔
High School & Campus Romance
This is the genre I'm least likely to read, but since these titles come up in so many recommendations ....
某某 木苏里
好运时间 卡比丘
可爱过敏原 稚楚
我喜欢你的信息素 引路星
信息素说我们不可能 毛球球
撒野 巫哲
轻狂 巫哲
Non-Danmei
三体 刘慈欣
重生之将门毒后 千山茶客
北城天街 非天夜翔* -- I'm unsure if this should be thought of as danmei or a "serious" novel, but I've been told to brace for tears
Notes/Remarks
Science Fiction is the only genre on my list (in the beginning) that includes the original "Big Four of JJWXC": Feitian Yexiang, Shui Qian Cheng, Priest, Huai Shang, unless I also merge the two historical genres.
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Thanks for answer. I know that GL wanted a Monk and Samurai mix. Problem is, it’s not as incompatible as you think. You see, this is why I cited Wuxia novels in my long rant about Anakin’s interview in TPM. It works fine in Wuxia novels where you have the Taoists of Wu-Tang and the monks of Shaolin. They have a moral code different from the average swordsman but also from each other. It’s not good or bad, just different. Also, it seems more apparent to me that people don’t get the difference between Zen Buddhist, Taoist and the old Yin/Yang Bagua (derived from I’Ching). Yin/Yang being the oldest one isn’t just the basis for Taoist philosophy, but a whole suite of other philosophies.
I think it’s not about story-telling per say, but some fundamental values that creators like GL does not seem to get. He wanted so much to re-create the old myths of good vs. evil with a Orientalist twist to it. He doesn’t get that in Taoist texts, they clearly stated that morality and evil is a relative matter. That what the general at war considers good is different from the views of the statesman. The values of the people in government are different from those in the pugilist world (the jianghu). There’s nothing universal beyond wanting peace and prosperity.
I have played SWTOR, got a Jedi Knight and was even more convinced that the Jedi are corrupt a-holes. In the prologue, the protagonist were literally arguing with the Council on whether to help a group of refugees or not….refugees that they had created themselves with this centuries long war with the Sith. If you choose the Sith Inquisitor, you get to see Knight Organa of the Jedi commit regicide on Alderaan because he wanted to secure the planet’s loyalty to the Old Republic.
Dreams of the Red Chamber is a tough one to read. Between all the poems and prose, it’s better literature than the others. If you do get to read it, think about how that book described the downfall of the Jia family.
I saw your tags on my post. Why do you think the Jedi are ‘over hated’ by the SW fandom? It doesn’t seem to me like a lot of people realize just how badly the Jedi and political elites like Organa failed in the PT. If you’re a big fan of Wukong, you’d know that child of the Force (what else are you supposed to call the spiritual energy of the Sky and Earth? Lol) would’ve gone rogue and cut all ties with the Jedi by TPM. Or….the Jedi would dub Wukong a Sith and hunt him down. Tell me about these mixed feelings of yours on the Jedi.
By the way, have you read the other novels in the four great classics? Namely the ones featuring generals and martial artists. Three Kingdoms and All Men are Brothers (水浒传)?
Sorry for the late reply, i was on vacation and i wanted to give this question proper thought. I'm flattered you wanted to hear my thoughts though! Bare with me because i'm not the best with words, but the Jedi are a mixed bag of an organization that suffers from author intent and execution. George Lucas is an orientalist white man, you'll hear no argument from me on that score. Like its clear he wants them to be Buddhist monks/samurai warriors not realizing that the two are kind of incompatible. And its clear that his white christian upbringing influences his idea of how the force works. like again if he wanted the force to be Buddhist/Daoist, why is there no reincarnation in star wars? why is the dark side a thing??? On the other hand though, I find some people hate the jedi because they really don't like how star wars morality works or they like anakin. Which is fine! I get that! but still gray jedi are not a thing, you can have them be fanfic but they're still not canon (not referring to you specifically, general you). So it feels more like a rage against the author then the jedi themselves. Then there are the fans who its not that they hate the jedi so much as they really really like the sith. Those fans especially are the ones who seem to hate the jedi in a sort of edge lord fashion. (i hope this makes sense T-T) Honestly i couldn't see sun wukong being a jedi if he was in star wars. But it'd be fun seeing him just demolish everyone there if they tried anything. The thing is the star wars universe has a moral code if you are a force user. and you don't have to like it, heaven knows i get that that's why fanfics exists. And i love those fanfics. Have you ever played SWTOR? I had a jedi consular and i loved her. She gave me yamato nadeshiko vibes. Her inner strength, devotion to duty, and a desire to help people gave me an appreciation for what the jedi could be with proper storytelling execution.
As for your great classics question, i want to read dream of the red chamber (or watch an adaption) I've been so busy though so everything is on a backlog. T-T
I hope I was able to answer well, again i'm not the best writer. ^-^
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2022.05.13 - https://weibo.com/l/wblive/p/show/1022:2321324768730725876343
Simply chat for a while, no spending the new year~
- brought his equipment with him to Changsha, bc he’ll be staying a while :)
C: Are you filming for the variety show today? LYN: Not today. But ZSX has seven CFs to do, and I also was able to get a couple for myself. If I’m not able to keep up I don’t think we can be friends anymore. It’s hard for people of different social statuses to become/stay friends, you know.
C: I’m not used to this angle. LYN: You obviously don’t care about me. You don’t normally care about what I’m doing at all. I’m currently in Changsha. It’s not the same place I usually stream from- that’s Hengdian. Even the housing prices are different, do you think the streaming angle wouldn’t be as well?
C: Are we spending the new year together? LYN: Do you not even look at my caption? It’s written there very clearly that we’re not spending the new year. I can’t give my friends the habit of staying up at night. I already said that we’re not spending the new year and you’re still here asking. You clearly don’t care, I hate that kind of person.
C: When are you going to cut your hair really short? LYN: Why are you all so interested in my hair?? Don’t a lot of girls say that they’ll leave their hair short/long for you (a boy)? They’ll usually say, “I’ll keep my hair long for you.” But I’m not saving it for anyone. I never made a promise to you. I like it long, so I keep it long. If I like it short, I’ll keep it short. Why do you care so much about my hair? Are you a barber? It has nothing to do with you. I’m keeping it long for myself. I can’t believe you all can be hung up on my hair for so long, I gotta hand it to you.
- explaining that streaming from the notebook won’t be the same as streaming from his desktop, so the video quality and overall experience might not be as good as it is when he’s at home.
C: The background looks fake. LYN: It’s a green-screen.
LYN: :| I’m seeing a lot of people commenting on my hair- they don’t like it when it’s long. I guess you can’t watch my guzhuang dramas, then. I have long hair in those. You’re not going to watch them? C: I’m a new fan; I’ve never seen you with short hair. LYN: You’ll get the chance eventually.
C: You’re streaming in the hotel, but doesn’t that bother other people? LYN: It’s not like I’m shouting?? I’m not singing, either. I’m just sitting here. Is there some rule that says if you’re staying at a hotel you can’t even speak?? LYN: Also, this hotel’s full of artists- the downstairs is full of paparazzi. Obviously, they aren’t there to shoot me. I’m not popular. They’re here to shoot the other people. Here in Changsha, people come to film for variety shows- there are a few going on at the same time right now. There are only so many hotels that are close enough to the Hunan Satellite TV Station, so all the artists are gathered together. The paparazzi are here to take pictures of the Sisters Who Make Waves jiejie-s, and happened to have included me. They’re look, “Who is this, so tall? Oh, it’s Liu Yuning. Okay, let’s take some shots of him, too.” C: Have you met anyone you’re close with? LYN: Not really. I don’t really get out much, unless I have some work to do. After work, I just go home. I don’t really hang out.
C: It’s my first time catching it live. LYN: I saw that today was Friday and thought that you might not have anything going on, so I decided to stream a bit. I’m afraid that when I start shooting for the variety show we’re going to wrap up really late and I won’t have the chance to stream. I came all the way out here- and brought all my equipment- I’ll feel like it’s a waste if I don’t stream at least once.
Rumors:
C: You didn’t meet up with YCY? LYN: Stop bringing her up, my friends. Right now I have to “avoid evil”. It’s alright if you talk about me, but it’s not right to talk about her behind her back- she’s just a small girl. C: What’s wrong? LYN: People are making up some rumors, you know. I’m joking about the “avoiding evil” part. She came here to shoot for her shows, but the two of us have been chatting more in our group chat because the drama’s about to air.
LYN: Let me tell you something about shooting dramas that’s really awkward. Usually after a drama finishes shooting, it’ll air about a year later. There are a lot of dramas- I’m sure you all know- where there’s a long cooling period.* [he uses the phrase: 人走茶凉; lit. people leave and tea cools] Some dramas air 1-1.5 (or longer) years after they’re filmed. And then the two leads, helplessly, have to get together again for interviews or to promote the drama. Honestly, they’re not that close to each other. I’m sure they were close during filming, but after 1.5 years of no contact, you suddenly want them to pretend to be good friends- it’s hard. When they’re being interviewed one question they will inevitably be asked is, “Do you have any fun stories from filming together on set?” Honestly, we can’t think of anything. It’s been more than a year later! No matter how funny or interesting the story was at the time, you’re not necessarily going to remember it later. You know? It’s really hard on the artists, answering this question. They have to work hard to remember details, like: “Where was this drama filmed again? It’s a guzhuang, so it must have been Hengdian. What was the drama about now... I forgot.” It’s really hard. At the most artists film for 2 or 3 dramas a year- you want them to remember something that happened on a specific set?? It’s difficult. The scripts just keep coming, too. LYN: The good thing is that our group- including Baron Chen- have kept up contact. We became really good friends through this drama. It’s great, because when it comes time for us to promote the drama, we won’t have any difficulty trying to remember fun things that happened to us. We won’t feel awkward or unfamiliar when promoting together, either. If they can’t remember, I’ll remind them.
LYN: Anyway- why I told that friend not to mention YCY. It’s funny- F-F relationships are fine but anything involving M-F relationships will cause you trouble. I was scrolling through a app and saw an article about YCY arriving in Changsha; but they also caught her manager in the picture, too. The clothes her manager was wearing is the same as mine. So this person took this photo and made and article saying: “LYN & YCY are dating. Look at that. Because LYN and YCY’s manager are wearing the same brand/clothes.” I always happen upon articles that have to do with me- but when I saw this one I was dumbfounded. What crap logic is that?? I’m wearing the same clothes as her manager, so how- ????? If your rumor said that LYN and the MANAGER got together, that would be more believable- since they ARE wearing the same clothes, after all. The problem here is- if I’m wearing the same clothes as her manager, how does that prove that I’m dating YCY?? If the rumor was that I was dating her manager, I could understand- the rumor has some ground. But what sort of logic (makes you conclude that LYN & YCY are dating)???? Also, her manager’s male! C: That’s also nice to ship... LYN: Shut your mouth! I’m trying so hard to dispel rumors and here you are making more. >.<
LYN: My friends, let me explain WHY I was wearing the same clothes as her manager. There’s a real story here. I’ll confess to you today. It happened like this... This story starts about a week ago. That day, Baron Chen suddenly messaged me out of the blue, “I saw your reuters- you’re in Hengdian?” I confirmed I was, and asked if he was also in Hengdian shooting for Chinese Paladin 4. I said if he had time, we should get together for dinner. After I invited him, I was thinking I should ask Chaoyue, too. The three of us could eat out together. YCY and I talk to each other a lot online, but we rarely ever meet up. Just to prevent rumors from happening. I’m afraid to go out with any female artist because of this, too. Alright, so. This story starts from that get together. When Baron got to the restaurant- I was wearing a Chinese-style button up- he said, “Yuning, that really suits you. It give off an wuxia feel.” It went to my head- in addition to the little alcohol I had that night- I undressed and said, “I’ll give it to you!” I started unbuttoning immediately, and I gave it to him. “Here. I only wore it once. You can keep it as a souvenir.” I’m just like this- if someone likes something of mine, I will give it to them. I gave him the bracelet, too. He didn’t want it at first, but I told him to try it on. He did and it really suit him, as he’s a little broader than I am- so I gave it to him. The thing is I was only wearing a white undershirt, and I was thinking - I was suspecting - there would be paparazzi waiting for us. “Liu Yuning goes out for a meal and loses his clothes”?! He goes out with other artists for a meal and eats his clothes gone??? That’s not very good. So I took a scan of the other men with us and thought that YCY’s manager’s clothes were pretty nice. So I asked him if I could borrow it, and that I would return it to him tomorrow. He was nice and let me, so I put on his clothes. When we left there really were paparazzi waiting and got pictures of us. So, those clothes weren’t mine. They were YCY’s manager’s. We weren’t just wearing the same brand, we’re wearing the EXACT SAME CLOTHES. When I went out to eat that day I gave my clothes away to Baron Chen. [What Ning-ge was wearing: https://weibo.com/5456865382/LrFrUuJIW]
C: Ning-ge, the clothes you’re wearing right now are quite nice. LYN: Ehm... it has nothing to do with you. If you like it, buy your own. XD
LYN: I find it fun when rumors like these can become topics of conversations for my streams. It’s fun for me to explain to you, and you have fun listening. It’s all good. I see these things and smile- no, smirk- and then use them as material for my streams. Rumors are just so outrageous sometimes. How does me wearing the same clothes as her manager mean that I am dating her? I don’t get the logic.
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Heroes (general drama info):
LYN: Whether YCY, CCH, or ZSX- it’s really rare for you to make so many friends from one drama. We really haven’t lost contact this past year either. Our relationship is great! So I hope that you can stay away from /don’t partake in rumors. Even if I don’t explain them, even if one of them explains them, the rumors will start to create a rift. It’s really awkward to have had a nice relationship with someone only for it to turn sour/awkward because of a rumor. I don’t mind, but the other two are younger and could have more complicated thoughts. I can understand, since I’m older than them by a bit.
LYN: I saw another article- YCY sent it into the chat- it said that “YCY looks down on LYN; Because YCY is currently making a change in her career.” I don’t know if you saw it- it said she looks down on me. She sent it into the group chat and said, “Ning-ge, I didn’t buy this topic. Please don’t get angry. We don’t argue over superiority here.” LYN: Even though YCY didn’t buy the topic, I still get unhappy when I see these articles. What do you mean I’m not worthy enough for her??? What do you mean she looks down on me??? LYN: Where am I lacking?!?
LYN: I’m sure you’ve seen it already, but the Heroes wb account shared three photos today. They contacted each of us, and asked us if we could post one photo each on 5/13. I asked, “What photo?” and they said the official character still, to help accommodate the promotion of the drama. I didn’t say it out loud, but I was thinking to myself, “What’s the point of posting one photo?” The Reuters have already posted hundreds of them, what use is one photo from each of us going to do? But I found out that they also posted some behind the scenes, which was good because people will see something new. C: This photo is obtained through proper channels. LYN: Oh, that’s true. C: Then post some more. LYN: I saw that comment, too. We posted one photo, and then ZSX’s studio also posted a bunch of others. We’re a little more into the details, here. We posted one photo, and then ZSX posted so many more... Do you think I don’t have any??? I could post that many if I wanted, too! But I won’t post them- they (ZSX & YCY) are children, after all. As an older brother- think about it. If ZSX posts them, and then my studio posts some... uh oh- the pressure’s on YCY now. I don’t see the need to torture each other like this. He’s the male lead, so if he wants to post a little more, then I’ll let him. I can’t leech off of him like that. Right? I’m waiting for him to get popular, and THEN I’ll leech. Of course, he is already “popular”; I’ll wait for him to “explode.”
LYN: I’m just trying to consider their feelings. I can’t just think of everything trying to find an angle for my own personal gain. ZSX’s the male lead, it’s a given that he would share some more pictures. Also, his pictures are well-received. I saw them and thought they looked very good! That’s including YCY- you’ll find that a lot of her looks will become hot topics. I don’t get the same reception. So I’ll just let them fight among themselves. When the drama airs later, you’ll see everything there is to post. There’s no use holding on to them- they’ll all get posted eventually.
C: Ning-ge, you look a little like Liu Yuning. LYN: You’re right. That’s me. I am Liu Yuning. LYN: Do you think I look like him? I don’t think so.
- someone in the comments asking what drama it is; it’s 说英雄谁是英雄, based off a novel. also please be understanding if some parts of the drama adaption does not adhere to the book: not everything in the novel COULD be transferred to the screen.
C: Director Li Muge. LYN: Yes, that’s right. He’s a great director. I think this drama was filmed in great detail/thoroughly. You’ve all heard that most dramas separate into two or three different filming groups. There are Groups A and B which is for content, and usually Group C is for fight scenes. Heroes only had one group. Our director filmed everything himself- even when we did the fight scenes he was there strictly monitoring us. I wasn’t really used to the single group- I was afraid we wouldn’t be able to wrap on time, but we finished up just fine.
LYN: I saw someone saying that our drama production had no money. As an actor, I can’t say that we didn’t. Also, people are saying that we were crying about our lack of funds. I don’t see the need- who would we cry to? It’s just facts. If you just look objectively, you could see for yourself whether we had funds or not. LYN: I was talking to the other two, and we agreed that no matter how the drama is promoted- usually when a drama starts promoting they get into the trending topics fairly quickly, I think this will be a little difficult for us- but we all agreed that we would do our best to promote the drama on our own. If we can get just one more viewer, that would be our fortune. LYN: I know that a lot of you watching right now are just passersby or other people’s fans, but I hope that if you’re watching my stream, when the drama airs you can give it a chance. If you like it, please continue watching. If you don’t then I won’t force you. But leave me some face and check it out, alright? Thank you.
LYN: There are a lot of characters in this drama, and each of their story-lines are just about complete. You know who they are, what they do, and why they appeared. It’s introduced very clearly. It’s not like other dramas where there are basically just a male lead and female lead. The genre is different. Each character has their own story, background, and personality- they are all unique identities. From the drama perspective, there may be a lot of separate threads. Generally, it is a male lead-centered drama though. If I remember ZSX had around 500+ scenes, and I had 300+ scenes- but this is before editing! I figure after editing I’ll be left only around 300? There’s a thing we say with editing: we can only cut, not add. Why? Because everything has finished filming already. XD
C: When is it airing? LYN: I can’t say for sure. Just.. keep a lookout. But I’m sure.. It’ll be very soon. :) C: Can it air on 520? LYN: How many times do you want me to repeat myself? D: I know that in your hearts I might be an amazing person, but in this industry I’m just an actor. I’m very lowly. Also, I’m only a supporting character. I don’t have the right to determine what day it will air. I can only ask for you. But even after I finish asking, I can’t tell you. So don’t make it hard for me, alright? Thank you.
C: I really like Director Li’s Rattan, too. LYN: Our Director... Director Li Muge. He’s so talented. He films very well. LYN: Also, you’ll find that our drama is really welcome to using fake blood. You’ll see in dramas that people get hurt, and they bleed- but not a lot. Like they’re afraid of getting the clothes dirty. Or, if they spit blood, only a little comes out. Not us- we can go through three buckets of blood a day. You’ll know when you see the drama. We sure can use it. LYN: Usually in dramas they will take a chopstick and just spread a line of blood on the clothes and that’s it. Not us. Director Li is going to put the blood on you himself. He takes a cup full and throws it on you. C: Can you still wash it out? LYN: He’s a director, what does he care if it can wash out or not? That’s the costume department’s problem. Every time, just before he throws the blood on me, he’ll say, “Xiao Ning. Did you know? Any actor who I’ve poured blood on gets really popular. Wait and see.” In that moment I was thinking, “Well, why don’t you throw some more on me, just for good measure.” Get another cup!
C: The official Heroes account is watching your stream. LYN: Really? They must be afraid I say something I shouldn’t. LYN: Are you monitoring me? Afraid that I’ll slip and tell everyone when it’s airing? XD C: Connect the mics. LYN: You must not be normal. Do you think ZSX is sitting behind there behind the official account? YCY? Director Li? They’re just here to help promote the drama, why would I connect with them? C: Call ZSX. LYN: You mean, you want me to get him here? I won’t. I already told you, ZSX’s only in it for the profit. He only comes when he has a drama airing, and then otherwise he won’t come to my stream. Someone took that and ran with it, saying, “See? The drama hasn’t aired yet and the 2ML is already stepping on the 1ML. LYN’s character is too appalling. He said ZSX is a profiteer.” Have you seen those articles? How sad. I can’t believe they would try to put a wedge between our good relationship. LYN: The last time I streamed I said that ZSX came when I was promoting JNZ for him, but never came back after that. I said he only came when it was profitable to him, and that when Heroes aired, he would HAVE to come. So, to that person who wanted me to call ZSX and tell him to come to my stream- I won’t. That makes it seem like I INVITED him to come. Who does he think he is? I’ll wait until he comes of his own free will. If he comes, he comes. If he doesn’t, there’s nothing I can do. We’ll just have to see how he does. :) C: If he doesn’t come, then we go curse him. LYN: LOL. What type of person are you? Everyone who watches my streams knows that I’m not ACTUALLY putting him down. We’re good friends, so I can make jokes. If I really were to hate on him- why should I? I’m not even his rival. There are certain categories in the entertainment world, we aren’t even in the same league. We’re not the same type. Whether that’s appearance, personality, or types of characters we play. We are not the same. He can never steal my work and I can never steal his. There’s no need for rivalry, here. C: Then, who IS ZSX’s rival? LYN: I can’t tell you that. LYN: I’m not hating on him, really. I’m just making jokes because we are close friends. If we’re not close I won’t even mention your name in my stream. The people I mention, I know their personalities and that they can take a joke.
C: Ning-ge, you have no rival either. LYN: I don’t know about that. From a live-streaming perspective, I truly have no rival- that’s true. Not to say that I’m so amazing, it’s just that no one else does it like I do. I can’t say the same for acting. I’m not very unique in that aspect.
C: Who’s that next to you? LYN: /looks left and right/ Did you just see someone? Don’t scare me. I’m in here alone. LYN: Did you just see the shape of a person flash by? LYN: I usually don’t let people in the room when I stream because it will affect my thought process.
LYN: ZSX will be here in a couple of days and in the meantime I can go shoot my own commercials. :) It’s nothing new- just things I owe people from before. I’ve been shooting in Hengdian for so long and was running behind on a lot of product sponsors- now that I’m in Changsha I’m going to make it all up to them.
C: Where’s Daimi? LYN: She’s in Hengdian, living together with my acting coach. They can’t go back to their home, so they’re taking care of Daimi for me. In a hotel.
C: The background looks so fake. LYN: ??? Do you really think the background is fake? It’s real! How could it be fake? - /grabs a water bottle/ LYN: Alright friends, look carefully. - /throws the water bottle & it hits the curtains/ LYN: I’m in reality. Do you think I’m in a xianxia drama right now? That I’ve hung up a green-screen? That my surroundings were too unclean, so I’ve set up a backdrop? I’m really sitting here- I’m in the hotel. It’s just because the camera is focused and the background looks blurry that you think it’s fake. C: You didn’t bring your water glass? LYN: I didn’t, no.
LYN: Speaking of Heroes, though. It’s going to air soon. Did you all see the special clip that was released today? C: Pick up your water. LYN: It’s okay, I have more. LYN: You all saw it though, right? I’m sure all of MY FANS have seen it. I was going to watch it together with you, but if you’ve all seen it then we can forget about it. // As soon as I said that you all say you haven’t seen it. LYN: Alright, then I’ll play it for you and we can watch together. It will help a lot of other people know of this drama’s existence, too. Don’t worry- when it starts airing I’ll be watching with you. I also have a lot of fun things planned- I’m sure my fans will be happy; I’ll have a lot of things to share during my streams. Let’s watch it together. - /splits screen and gives himself a tiny little box in the corner/
C: I’m looking forward to it!!! LYN: But not too much, alright? When you look forward to something a lot, it’ll end up giving you a surprise instead. Don’t look forward to it, but still watch it when it comes out, okay? C: But don’t NOT look forward to it too much.... LYN: That’s a hard thing to grasp. You can’t look forward to it, but you also can’t NOT. ?__? Don’t look forward to it, but also do. There’s a fine line. In any case, please take a look at it when it’s out.
C: Did you sing an OST for it? LYN: I sang two- one with ZSX and another is my character song. C: What style is it? LYN: Jazz. A choir. What do you mean what style- it’s a guzhuang drama. Of course it’s going to be gufeng style. A little rock, a little traditional instruments. If you really get jazz in there... it’d be weird.
LYN: Again, this drama is a story of the jianghu, not wuxia. I’m also just a viewer, so let me say this from a viewer’s experience- a lot of dramas will say that they are wuxia genre, but will also get ridiculed precisely because they gave themselves that label. They can SAY they’re a wuxia drama but have no elements that a wuxia drama SHOULD HAVE. So lots of dramas nowadays are afraid to call themselves “wuxia” dramas. It’s normal. Dramas that label themselves as guzhuang-wuxia will get cursed at. That’s why most just call themselves “guzhuang-idol” dramas. LYN: Our drama isn’t afraid that people aren’t going to think it’s “wuxia” enough and therefore has taken to calling ourselves “jianghu”- it’s REALLY just a jianghu drama! Why? It’s not like the typical wuxia dramas. From the first day of filming, we were told it was more about the relationships between sects- it’s like a guzhuang version of... a modern day drama I will not name. Someone actually guessed it right. A guzhuang version of OOO. Ours is a story about brotherhood and fighting between sects. It’s true that the style is more wuxia, but the content is all jianghu. What is “jianghu”? “Jianghu” isn’t fighting and killing, it’s relationships and ways of the world. LYN: Also, the novel isn’t like, for example, Demi-Gods and Semi-Devils. In all these stories it’s the same old story of suddenly coming into power- I wandered into an old cave and it was full of secrets of martial arts. I didn’t want to learn, but I was inexplicably trapped in this cave. I might as well learn a thing or two. And then when I leave the cave, I become super amazing. One day you get punished by your master to cultivate in isolation in a cave. You go, and the walls are full of secret techniques. There are always these strange circumstances. For example, you’re just walking and then you get hurt. You find a place for shelter and it’s just an orchard with a funny old man. You think he’s kind of strange, but brush it off. When you want to leave, the old man suddenly passes down all his power to you. LYN: That’s how all these novels go- but our novel is not like this. All of our characters are at their highest levels from the start. [t/n: likens it to gaming, where you buy an account that’s decked out to the max, where all you have to do is play.] C: I don’t understand. LYN: Watch the drama later, you’ll understand then.
C: Who has the most power? LYN: I don’t know. I don’t dare say. I remember there used to be fan-wars over “who would beat who in a fight”- I don’t want to get involved. I also don’t want to say that Bai Choufei is the strongest, because there are a lot of book fans and then the fans of Xiao Shi (ZSX’s character) might get up in arms about it. But if I say that Xiao Shi is stronger than Bai Choufei, BCF’s fans will come for me. LYN: This is like asking who’s stronger between Sun Wukong and the God of Thunder. LYN: Probably the strongest character is Guan Qi. No one can beat him, and he was later taken away by aliens. Our crew spent a lot of money for the UFO. XD No- I’m joking. He was taken away by aliens in the novel, but do you really think we can put that on film? That’d be too weird- a UFO suddenly appears in a guzhuang drama. So we used a different method- we had to edit a bit. C: Who’s Guan Qi? LYN: He’s an important character in the novel/drama. He counts as a boss, I guess. LYN: For me personally, though. If I had to say who is the best... well, from the novel- it would be the main character, right? Su Mengzhen (Baron Chen) is also really powerful. He’s known around the world, right? But he has a problem- his survivability rate. He can kill everyone on scene, but at the cost of his own life- he’ll need to take three months to recover before he can fight again. I think Wang Xiaoshi’s pretty powerful, though. Whether he can beat Sun Wukong or not though, is hard to say.
C: Who’s more powerful between Bai Choufei and Zhuo Bufan? LYN: That’s really hard to say. I have nothing to compare them to. If you ask me who’s poorer, it’s definitely going to be ZBF. Whose foundation shade is darker? That’s ZBF, too.
-- bathroom break (neighbors are fighting, but he’s in a hotel full of other artists) LYN: They weren’t fighting. It was the Sisters Who Make Waves- preparing for their third performance. The sounds a little loud, so I thought they were fighting. C: Which celebrities? LYN: I can’t reveal that. I knocked on their door and asked politely. They’re prepping for their performance.
LYN: Did the Heroes Official Account leave? My friends? Are they gone? It’s normal for them to have left, because I just said that the drama production didn’t have money. They probably heard that and left. It wasn’t on purpose- I was just trying to get some pity points. LYN: Oh, they’re still here! I thought you left, but you’re still here. Still here.... /fake cries/ We really have no money, friends. :’( LYN: I mean that comparatively, though. We still have the money to promote when we need to. Didn’t Bai-laoshi also share the Heroes weibo today? Honestly speaking, this drama has nothing to do with him. he’s from Linghe Ent., and Heroes is a Linglong production. Even though they both have “ling-” in them, they’re not related at all. What happened was the CEO of Linlong, Jia Nan-laoshi- they have a group chat full of directors and producers and he sent a red packet into that chat. Do you think we don’t have money? If we didn’t would he be able to send a red packet?? Right? Anyway- Bai-laoshi wasn’t really paying attention to what it was, but was able to snatch the red packet up. The condition was that whoever got the red packet would have to promote the drama. Bai-laoshi doesn’t have a WeChat friend’s circle, so he posted on weibo instead. C: He regretted it after snatching it. LYN: I don’t know if he did. C: A 1RMB red packet. LYN: Probably not, right? That’s TOO poor. - defending the drama’s honor by saying that the video needed to be filmed, and edited and pictures need to be taken and edited, too. and all of that costs money. the crew isn’t poor. C: Did you say a line in the clip? LYN: Is my voice that unfamiliar to you?
LYN: We’re trying to go for voice acting all of my own roles. I heard that if actors don’t voice for themselves, they have to shell out the money for a voice actor. That’s terrifying. I saw that news and I didn’t really react. I was happy though, because if that were the case then I would be able to save some money (by doing his own voice acting). Later on I would be able to meet some director and tell them I MUST do my own voice acting or else I won’t do the role. Because I have no money to pay for my own voice actor. C: The director will want to switch actors. LYN: So, the thing about voice acting was- in the beginning I asked the director if I could do my own voice acting. He said, “No.” ... I never thought he would reply like that! We had finished shooting more than half the drama when I asked if I could do my own voice acting. Usually, directors will say, “Yeah, okay. You want to do your own voice acting? That’s great!” They will usually reply like that, at least in my imagination. But this one said, “No way.” I was baffled. I asked him why. Don’t directors usually cheer you on and support you when you say you want to do you own voice? But this one said no way. He said it was because the viewers were too familiar with our voices, and were afraid that viewers wouldn’t be able to view us in-character. I replied, “Well... alright, then.” LYN: I know a lot of my fans will want to argue and say that the director just didn’t WANT me to. It’s true that to some extent the director might not have acknowledged my abilities, that’s fine. I’m a new actor. But I often do think about what I need to do to be able to voice my own roles. Later they found a few VAs but didn’t think the voice fit well with my look. Maybe it’s because they became too used to hearing my voice. So then the director allowed me to. That was one and a half years ago. I’ve done three dramas since then! I’m sure I’ve gotten better at saying my lines since then.
C: Hao Du used your voice, too. LYN: Yes, it was. But honestly at that time I didn’t do very well. The good thing is- the fortunate thing is- I encountered the best situation at the best time. Hao Du was my very first guzhuang role. From beginning to end I didn’t really need very big emotions to act or voice him. Voice acting for Hao Du was considerably easy, and I had few lines. After Hao Du, was BCF, and then I’ve been doing my own voice acting since. C: He wouldn’t let you because you have the Dongbei accent. LYN: My streams are different. It’s true that I have a Dongbei accent when I stream, but not when I’m reciting lines! My Standard Mandarin is considerably better now. C: Let’s hear it. LYN: Why are you like my second aunt?? It’s like the New Year when your aunt drags you over to all your relatives and tells you to show them the dance you learned in school. Come on, recite that poem you were learning for us. My second aunt. Really... C: Do you have any certifications for your Mandarin? LYN: I’ve never taken any tests for it, no. But us Dongbei people have a disadvantage, which is we don’t distinguish between “s” and “sh”. It’s a bit of a struggle when reciting lines. LYN: I don’t have an accent when I sing, right?? /demonstrates/ Yeah, I don’t have it when I sing.
C: Talk about the variety. LYN: There’s really not much to say. I cam e to Changsha to shoot Detective Plan- we’re about ready to start shooting again. I know that a lot of people watching are just passersby- they’re not my fans, but they have a generally good impression of me. Right? I’m sure if you hated to see e you wouldn’t be here watching my stream right now. It’s fine if you think I’m pretty amusing and watch me for entertainment. So I guess people here count as my “video” fans. LYN: Get ready to activate your Tencent memberships for May. My variety COULD air and my drama also COULD air. It’ll be cost-efficient if you open a membership for this month. I’m not saying both of them are definitely going to air, though. But I think in general, they’ll air at around the same time. C: Are there benefits? LYN: You want me to go to the platform and try to negotiate more benefits for you??? C: Will you reimburse us (for the membership)? LYN: People always ask me that. >.< I can’t. Honestly the benefits I give you are already enough. What other artists out there is like me, and can stream for you every week. You have my dramas to watch on top of that. You’re asking too much!! When you get married I have to rent a car and follow behind you- at the new year I have to give you presents- now you want me to reimburse you for memberships. What the heck. C: When I get married can you come be the mc? LYN: No~ I don’t want to mess up your marriage. Forget it. You can play some of my songs at your wedding, though. It’ll take the place for me actually being at your wedding. Let me sing you a song. This one is suited for playing at your wedding. -- 余生只想握紧你的手 (to Dear Myself OST)
LYN: While I’m here let me also share my new song from the Lady of Love OST - 幸会的温柔 - /comes in late and blames it on his mic XD/
C: I really like the sound of your “stand-up comedy” LYN: First of all, stand-up comedy is a really strict profession, let’s not take it lightly. Not everyone who says a few witty remarks can be a comedian. I’m not. It’s really not that simple. On another note- that’s normal (to like his voice). The people in my stream are my song-fans, my acting-fans, and my stream-fans. If you like to hear me chat then you count as my stream-fans. I’m always available to please everyone- after I talked ab out my drama, I sang a song, right? When I need to chat I will. I’m here to satisfy all your needs. LYN: There are also fall-fans. What are those? Fans who like to see me fall. Someone said that seeing me fall was like watching their door fall over. Go push over your front door- it’ll be the same as watching me fall. C: Leg-fans. LYN: I’m sure many of you have taken a liking to my legs, is that it? Tell your mom to go to the market and buy you back a [rack of some kind? idk]. You can look at that instead of me. C: Ning-ge, I’m a fan of your eyes. LYN: You think my eyes are nice? That’s easy. There are doors at your house, yeah? Open it a crack. Just look at the crack in the door. I have an alias called “Liu Kaifeng” (lit. “leave a crack (open)). If you leave your door open just a little it can replace me. C: Dance-fans. LYN: You like to see me dance? That’s... hard to please. Me learning one dance for a drama is already good enough. It was just several seconds and that’s enough. Just watch it for fun and leave it at that. I think my dance-fans can take a turn and become song-fans or acting-fans. As for dancing... once a year is enough. I can tell you it’s definitely more difficult for me to learn a whole dance. I can shoot three dramas in a year but not necessarily be able to complete a whole dance routine. LYN: When I said you could “take a turn” I meant to stay my fan but change what you liked about me. I didn’t mean you could turn and start to like someone else entirely. That would make me unhappy.
LYN: I want to thank everyone for watching my stream and if you still haven’t subscribed to my weibo, please do so. I am Modern Brothers Liu Yuning. Thank you, everyone. When I have time I can come here and chat with you, and when my drama airs I can tell you fun stories about it and make fun of myself once in a while, too.
C: I want to see your '飞天 (Flying Apsaras). LYN: I did a short dance the other day, I’m sure everyone has already seen. In the drama, our sect is called the Rongtian Sect. We wanted to do a fun thing where the three groups in our drama had a dance battle. I wanted to pick a song that fit with our theme as a sect, and decided on 飞天- Zhang Yixing-laoshi’s song. Learning that dance almost sent me, I’m telling you. It was so difficult. I told the others that I wanted to dance to that song and they were like, “Are you SURE?” I told them I wanted to challenge myself. C: Was it a simpler version? LYN: No, it was pretty much the original choreography. C: Show us. LYN: My second aunt... I won’t dance. I want to talk to you more, if you make me dance I won’t have the strength to chat.
LYN: The other day I saw another drama that said I was in the cast list... Wow. I didn’t know I had so much time. What was it called? Let me check... Some new drama with Yang Zi, Zhang Ruoyun, and I. Have you seen that article? I saw that a lot of you were making comments, saying “I don’t know if this is true or not, but I’m looking forward to it!” I already told you! The way to reply to these articles is just to say, “Thank you.” [Drama in question, probably: Swords and Love (沉鱼记)] LYN: They were probably just making fun, and writing me in there. Probably just wanted me to refute it. Just teasing me. LYN: I have not received any news that they have contacted me. Perhaps it’s a 2023 project, and have confirmed me internally. That’s what I like to think. They’ve confirmed me on their side and are getting ready to contact my studio about it. But as of now I have’t received any news. LYN: I’ve been stuck up on their wall, is what it is. Usually when dramas cast actors, they will have a board with all the characters and start posting pictures of actors who they want to play that character. I’m guessing I’ve just been stuck up on that wall. But they haven’t contacted me yet. They’re too busy.
LYN: I’m not popular, just a little more than I was before. I’m still far lacking from the really amazing people. Let’s just keep working hard. I don’t think being popular is the most important thing. I think just being able to maintain this momentum of always having work to do- variety shows interested in you, songs to sing, dramas to act in- maintaining work is already hard-earned. LYN: I thought about it, and The Long Ballad was my most recent drama- and that aired a year ago. You haven’t seen me for a year. If I don’t get a drama out this year I won’t be able to take it anymore. I filmed three dramas last year but I don’t have anything to show for myself this year yet, I’ve only just released a few more songs. My variety show hasn’t been able to air, either. I think I’m very lucky that I still have fans to support me. C: The Heroes Official Account left. LYN: They don’t like hearing this. XD
LYN: Some people are asking me about the Liu Shishi drama (一念关山). !! First of all, whether she actually confirms the drama or not is not something I can decide. I don't have the right to make decisions- it’s not like someone is coming to me and asking me who I think would be a good female lead. I can’t make any decisions, so don’t ask me if she’s confirmed or not. Even if I knew, I couldn’t tell you. Don’t ask me about other people- I can’t just reveal all their news. I can only talk about myself. C: It’s fine as long as you’re confirmed. LYN: I never said I was! Just wait for the announcement. I’m sure you’ll all have a satisfying result. C: Great! // You’re just missing the contract. LYN: ... Yes. Just remember this- the work I haven’t signed a contract with, I with usually never mention. Because I’m afraid I’ll lose it to someone else. That’s scary for me. C: And if you don’t mention it... LYN: Then.. I won’t talk about it; it’s been taken by someone else. If it gets stolen from me, that’s just my bad luck. What can I do about it? There are people are more amazing than I am in this industry. If they can steal a project from me then that means it was not meant for me in the first place. If it’s yours, it’s yours. If it’s not, then you can’t take it from me. I’ll strive for things I want but I won’t force it. LYN: Just like if I want to sing the OST for some drama. I will never outright ask for it. I’ll try it in a roundabout way, like going to cameo in the drama itself. :) I’ll say, “I’m in Hengdian with nothing to do lately, would you like me to sing a song for you?” XD I’m just joking though I’m not going to force someone to take me on as a cameo, either. I would be crazy. The dramas I cameo for- usually I am close with the producer, director, or the actors in it. I’m not crazy enough to just cameo in ANYTHING. Do you really think I have nothing better to do? - Cameos: Love Yourself, Medal of the Republic, Blocking the Sky (Zhe Tian), Discovery of Romance, Wonderland of Love (Le You Yuan) LYN: I remember when I cameo-d in Medal of the Republic, the director was quite nice. He wanted to give me a 200RMB red packet, but I didn’t accept it. I think just being able to experience being on a set like that, letting me participate, made me really happy. It’s something I’ve never tried before. I was just a little soldier. They wanted to give me a red packet but I didn’t accept. I was thinking they would give me an OST... but in the end I guess I thought too much. :p I regretted it, maybe I should have accepted the 200RMB. XD LYN: I hold a bit of a grudge. Well, it’s not a grudge, exactly. Things that make me feel unsettled are more easily remembered.
C: Ning-ge, it’s my birthday. LYN: Happy Birthday! C: You always celebrate someone’s birthday when you stream. LYN: Yeah, because there are quite a few people watching every time. I think it’s a happy thing. Think about it- they’re celebrating their birthday today. It’s such an important date but they’re here in my stream. It’s my honor, because the people who can celebrate a birthday with you are important people to you. If it’s not your family, it’s your friends or people who are close to you. So they fact that they can come to my stream on their birthday, such an important day, means that in their heart I am their friend. I’m very touched. Also, I want to say, on such an important day, the fact that you didn’t go out to play... just proves that you don’t really have any friends. XD That’s not important. Your Ning-ge is the best friend you can have. Everyone in this stream is your friend. We’re all celebrating your birthday together. Such a happy thing!
C: I just came in, what’s this stream for? LYN: My stream is just a bazaar. If you just came in you might not know what I’m doing. Just wait. Later I’ll show you a performance where I lay across two chairs, put a rock on myself and then smash it with a hammer. Very thrilling. If things go wrong I could even d*e. So don’t leave, just wait. I’ll show you a performance and after that one I’ll show you one where I eat rocks. C: Looking forward to it! LYN: ... You’re all monkeys. I give you a stick and you climb. XD C: Ning-ge, can you take off your shirt for that performance? LYN: !__! ... ?__? ... What- ... /shakes his head/ LYN: My friends, when I stream I put myself lower than you, as respect to you. But you can’t- you can’t harass me. Don’t play with me. - someone says their niece/nephew is celebrating their birthday today; lyn says that his wishes apply to those watching his stream ONLY, everyone else has nothing to do with him
LYN: Hold on, wait for me a minute. I need to use the restroom. It’s- It’s 9p?? There’s a problem here- why is it that when I stream outside of my home it feels like time is passing by so slowly?? How long have I been streaming for? 2+ hours... I thought I’ve been streaming for at least 3 hours by now! C: You finally just said it straight out. LYN: Yeah, because I already used the “fighting neighbors” trick. I’ll think of a better excuse for next time. Let me play you a video... oh, no. I only have the one. Wait for me a sec. I'll have to trouble you to watch this one again. C: Someone’s having a baby? LYN: No, I can’t use that one too often.
-- bathroom break
LYN: I’m back! I saw the Heroes Official Account leave me a message, that read, “It’s true, we don’t have money...” That is.. what are you telling me for? Are you planning on asking for the payment back? I’ve spent it all already- I bought clothes with it. I can’t give it back! C: They want the promo money back. LYN: There’s no such thing. They don’t pay actors to promote. It’s the actor’s own choice whether they want to promote their drama or not. Not with me, though. Whether it’s a product, drama, or song, I think it is my responsibility/obligation to promote it to the fullest. They chose me because they like me and I’ve also received money for my work, so promoting the product/drama/song is something I SHOULD do. If you find other people for a song, they might share it on their weibo when it’s released, but /I/ will sing it in my stream! I’ll promote it, too. So finding me to sing your OSTs is not a shameful thing, my friends. C: Sing one then. LYN: I just did! Are you from the platform? Just once (a stream) is good enough. How about I sing it for you again next time?
C: What time are you smashing the rock? LYN: /sigh/ At the end. It’s too thrilling, so we’ll leave it for the end and just simply chat until then.
C: I’ve fallen into the pit (fandom). LYN: How? I didn’t even get the beauty filters right today. Honestly, the lights in the hotel room kinda suck, they’re quite dim. I added two of my own but they’re too bright. Also, I look like I have a red flush, like I’ve been drinking. Actually, I went to shoot a commercial today so there’s a thick layer of foundation on me. Shade No.1. There’s nothing here that warrants you falling in. If you were sucked in by my good looks that would be one thing, but I don’t look good right now! LYN: The other thing is, liking me is not considered falling into the “pit”. It’s called “winning the lottery”. :) “Falling into the pit” makes it sound like you’re losing out on something by liking me. But “winning the lottery” means that you’ve gained something. As for WHAT you’ve gained, that’s.... hard to say. It could be annoyance, sadness, or suffering; but it could also be happiness! What you gain from me is random, like opening a blind box.
C: When are you cutting your hair? LYN: Soon. I’ll cut it before I enter the next drama crew. My next drama is a modern one, and I can’t bring my long hair with me. It’s all about the female lead- if I go in there, you wouldn’t be able to tell which is the actress (by looking from the back), and that would be a problem. C: Are you still going to dye it? LYN: I want to, but my stylist told me not to. If I bleach and dye it red, then dye it back to black it would hurt my hair too much. I’m still spokesperson for a shampoo, friends. I’m afraid it will affect my work, so I don’t want to mess up my hair too much. I might spray on a color, and have them fix it up in editing, but that’s about it.
C: Which female actress is 1.9m tall? LYN: I meant just by looking at our backs, when we’re sitting there! You must not be listening carefully. C: What’s the drama called? LYN: It hasn’t been announced yet, I can’t say. You’ll know when the time comes. C: Are you the male lead? LYN: Why? If I don’t play the lead will you look down on me? How can you be so shallow, like ZSX? XD How should I say this- there are no small roles, only small actors. That’s what everyone says. I don’t think being the lead actor is the most important thing- it all depends on the role and who you’re going to be working with. C: Ning-ge, you can play the female lead. LYN: 去你的. I can’t. I’m going to cut my hair, so I can’t play the female lead.
C: Ning-ge, what are the standards for the dramas you choose? LYN: We have a lot of things to consider, but I can’t tell you because that’s an industry secret. It’s not- I just have my own standards for what I want when choosing a script and role. People will compliment me, and say that I make good selections when it comes to what roles I decide to act as. I don’t believe I choose well, it’s just that I am fortunate enough to meet good people. When I first debuted no one knew I wanted to act, so I really didn’t have a lot of choices. It’s not like what you’re thinking and I can have hundreds of scripts in front of me to choose from. If I only have a few to choose from, of course I’ll pick the best one. Before The Long Ballad aired, I didn’t have a lot of choice. After it aired there was a lot more to choose from, because at that point people knew that I was acting (and available). A good role will open up many opportunities for you. C: Ning-ge, do you act well? LYN: I act just okay. I’m just a singer, how well do you expect me to act? That’s why I always tell my friends not to compliment my acting when my dramas air. Acting is subjective- everyone has their own opinions of what’s good or bad. There’s no need for you to go around forcing me on people; PLEASE don’t go around complimenting my acting- I’m just a rookie actor. C: You act pretty well, though. LYN: How many dramas of mine have you watched?? There’s only BEEN THREE. I just have to keep working harder and working to improve myself. C: I’ll compliment your looks. LYN: You won’t compliment my acting, but how I look? Then that’s even MORE reason not to compliment me. You have to remember to PLEASE don’t go around pushing my looks. In YOUR eyes I’m handsome because you have the fan-filter. But to the general public I’m just average. Not UGLY, but nowhere near handsome. We just win with my temperament/attitude. C: Then what can we compliment? LYN: Do you HAVE to? There’s no need. If someone has just one strong suit, others will naturally get it. You don’t have to go around pointing it out. When normal people see me, the first reaction they’ll have is that I’m very tall. They don’t need to you stand next to them and say, “Hey, look at Liu Yuning. Isn’t he tall?” There’s no need. Others will discover what’s good about you naturally. Don’t try to convince people to like me. You just happily watch my dramas and that’s enough. C: I can’t help it. LYN: TRY.
C: Ning-ge, did you bring ka-ka (kazoo)? LYN: I actually did.
C: Your fans can’t suggest people to watch? LYN: You can, but not too forcefully. You can suggest for people to listen to my songs or watch my dramas but don’t go around saying I’m so amazing. I’m really not. Some people are rebellious, too. The more you want them to do something, the less they’ll want to do it. You know? If something is/becomes extremely popular there will always be people who think it is annoying. It might not be proper for me to say. Everything has a certain degree of acceptability- once you pass it, that thing becomes annoying. - talks about Liu Genghong-laoshi, who posts up exercise videos. They’ve gotten really popular lately bc people are stuck in quarantine, and at least by watching and following along to his videos people can work up a sweat and maintain their health. But he’s also gotten so popular to the point where he has antis now. LYN: I know I always tell you to help promote my works, but don’t do it to the point where it starts to bother others.
LYN: Heroes hasn't even aired yet. It’s not an S-class drama, with a big production cost or anything. It’s just a project we worked very seriously on. The actors, honestly- I mean, they’re popular- but they’re not as “big” as others. We’re such a small project and already people are starting to put it down. They’re starting to create trouble- just to prevent us from “exploding (into fame)”. People are already giving it backhanded compliments- they talk us up and then start comparing us to a different drama. The fans of the other drama are surely going to curse us. These tricks are overused and annoying.
LYN: If you want to make trouble, you can say that the 2ML got more scenes. Like, the drama was originally all about the male lead, but since they’ve added some scenes for the 2ML, it’s lessened the ML’s spotlight. If I were ZSX’s fans I would be upset too. I would be upset, too- why is the 2ML so much better than ZSX, that he gets more scenes? Who does he think he is? I would yell at LYN, too. Do you know where they got this info from, though? It came out of my own mouth. :p LYN: Director Li is a very creative-type director. He films and creates at the same time. As a director or an actor, before you start filming you’ll need to get used to the characters. Say for example you are a reserved person, but the character is more open and lively- there’s no way you can make the connection, unless you are a very amazing actor. The director will observe your natural character and blend your characteristics with that of the role’s and from that point can be more creative. The director working with an actor for the first time might not have any particular thoughts about that actor; but as time passes the director starts to see potential. They will create more opportunities to enrich the character and create a more fulfilling drama overall. At the start I only had 300 or so scenes for Heroes. By the end of it I had 360, but I’m sure a lot of it will be cut in editing. I just wanted to say that I am not the only one who got additional scenes- the male & female leads got a lot too! All of the characters got additional scenes. We added so much that the funds ended up being insufficient- that’s how hard our director worked. That’s why we have no money for post. XD LYN: Don’t use the fact that the 2ML got additional scenes to cause trouble for the drama and make a rift between ZSX and I. ZSX himself can be a little confused sometimes- what if he seems some fake news and misunderstands. He already doesn’t talk to me on WeChat, what if he blocks me?? This is such a small drama in comparison and people will find any way to make trouble for it. Isn’t that terrifying?
LYN: There was this rumor for ALZ, too. That the 2ML got additional scenes, because one of the producers is LYN’s fan. OMG. This is.. just too unreasonable. It’s just worded in a way that people can’t help but fall for it. Let me break it down for you. First of all, there are two producers, and are they my fan? I hope they are. The first jiejie I met when having dinner at a wrap party, and she’s the one who suggested ALZ to me. At the time she said there would be 300 scenes, but when I got on set I found out it was only around 200. If you’re looking at it that way, I actually got my scenes cut. The second producer jiejie is DEFINITELY not my fan. I can’t tell you whose fan she is. They both aren’t my fans, they’re good jiejies. They treat me very well. LYN: Also, when we were on set, everyone was already shipping the two leads. There’s no room in their minds to even think about giving me additional scenes. This is also the first time I’ve worked with Youku. I’ve worked with iQiyi and Tencent before, but this was my first time working with Youku. How much do you think they would have to love me, to give me additional scenes?? It just doesn’t make sense, and that’s why this is purely a rumor. The script was written as is- it wasn’t written AFTER LYN joined the cast. The number of scenes for the 2ML is the same as it was before I was cast... and I was the last one the be cast. I truly didn’t walk through any back-doors to get that role, and they’re definitely not going to add scenes just for me. There’s no way. LYN: So if the drama comes out and you think I have more scenes than I should have, don’t come find me. It’s not what I wanted. Go find the scriptwriter. I don’t have the right to make people give me additional scenes, and I’m not worth it. I’m just here to happily shoot a drama- and it’s not as if more scenes will give me more money. >.> C: Don’t get angry. LYN: I’m not angry. I just wanted to share my thoughts/emotional state with you. This is nothing to get worked up over.
LYN: I saw some gossip blog say that ALZ would air in May. /pfft/ I'm sure that blog doesn’t watch my streams. If you’ve got nothing better to do, watch my streams. I’m sure you’ll receive a lot of information regarding my dramas. C: Ning-ge, why are you always looking at gossip blogs? LYN: I’m not always looking at them, it’s just that anything regarding “liu yuning” will pop up in my feed- I’m sure all apps are the same. It’s not like I don’t have anything better to do than to scroll through gossip blogs! All the posts are recommended to me!! LYN: It even recommended me a post: “HAHAHA I used to be LYN’s fan but now I am OOO’s fan. Bye Ning-ge.” What the heck would I be doing checking up on who’s leaving me for someone else??? This is a very normal thing, though. Some people who were fans of others may have slowly become my fans, and vice versa. It’s natural. But just don’t make a post telling me about it. Leave quietly.
- more people saying his bg looks fake, so he balls up a tissue and throws it C: Throwing trash?!? LYN: I’ll pick it up later, I just wanted to prove to you that my background was real. LYN: Let me throw a cup back there, too. I’ll throw it and you can watch it shatter. - doesn’t throw the glass, but does get up to pick up his trash and hops up on the chair to dance around a bit
LYN: It’s not fake now, is it? C: The person must be fake. LYN: Yes, you’re talking to an AI right now.
C: Are you happy today? LYN: I’m very happy. I’ve been in Hengdian for too long. I only came out twice to shoot something. But now I’m in Changsha- omg, there are too many delicious things to eat. - stream lags for a bit LYN: It’s alright- I’m using the hotel’s wifi. It might be a little unstable, but don’t worry about it. I hope you don’t have anything against it, either. // It did lag- I couldn’t even see you typing. It’s alright though, bear with me. - introduces things to eat in Changsha, and says all of the dishes really pair well with rice
C: When are you doing the Thermage. LYN: lol. I was going to do it when the drama wrapped and before I entered into the new drama crew. But Beijing right now... I’m afraid if I go I won’t make it back (bc the pandemic). I don’t know any places in Changsha...
C: Is the perfume real? LYN: What’s that about? I keep seeing people mention perfume?? All the perfume I use is real... if you use fake ones don’t they give you rashes? C: Spokesperson for a perfume? LYN: No? I really don’t, and I have no need to lie to you. LYN: Honestly- a lot have products have come to ask about me, but I don’t sign with just anyone. Really. I don’t just take whatever’s offered. There are a couple of requirements before I sign on to be a spokesperson. First- the product has to be reliable. You can think about all the products I’ve represented before- not one of them was unreliable, right? Secondly- I only sign on with products that my fans are able to make use of. Usually they’re daily necessities, like shampoo. I don’t sign with just anything, because I don’t see the need to exhaust myself. Also, I believe that my fans with stay with me for a long time. I’m not here just to make a quick buck- I’m not hurting for it that badly. I’ll be honest with you- I can sign with 10-20 of them in a year if I wanted to. I’m not trying to brag. But not all of these brands are trustworthy, some of them I’ve never even heard of. I CAN sign with them, but I won’t. I can’t exhaust myself like that, and it’s also a way of protecting myself. I don’t want you guys to keep buying the products either, and exhaust yourselves. LYN: I don’t think I’ve reached the peak of my career yet. So I don’t want to just make a quick buck and run. I’m keeping my options open. Maybe one day when I become a male lead in a few dramas I can come back around to these brands and they’ll have to pay me more than they’re offering me now. XD
C: Why aren’t you taking male lead roles. LYN: It’s not that I’m not, but that my opportunities were few. I’ve never said it this clearly before, but I think acting as 2ML in an S-class drama is better for me than acting as a 1ML in a lesser known drama. That’s what I’m thinking, and that’s my plan for myself. Other people think differently. One of the reasons I’d rather be a supporting character is because I don’t think I can bear the weight of a male lead. Why should I humiliate myself like that? If I work with more experienced actors I can act and learn at the same time... plus I don’t have to “carry the pot”. Think about it- if a drama doesn’t do well, can people turn around and blame the 2nd or 3rd male lead for it? :p If you can blame the 2ML, then you can blame the OST singer, too. (By playing a supporting character) I don’t have to be afraid, and I can learn and also become friends with the S-class actors. XD LYN: Look at- Look at Fang Yilun. XD Do you know how many lead roles he’s gotten since debut? The two of us are at different starting points, is all. He likes to sign on to male lead roles and I like 2ML roles. C: I never watched one of his dramas. LYN: That’s your problem, not his. That doesn’t mean he isn’t popular. Xiao Fang is very good. I’m just saying that everyone’s choices are different. Of course, he has been in supporting roles, but he has a lot more lead roles to show. He’s much more amazing than I am. // Don’t make trouble. He’s a good friend of mine. C: Then are you planning on being 2ML forever? LYN: /laughs/ “A soldier who doesn’t want to be a general is not a good soldier.” I believe there’s always something better. That’s why when I was just a waiter I always wanted to be the manager. When I was selling clothes, my goal was to become the shop manager. Acting is the same- no matter how many 2ML roles you do, you still want to be a ML someday.
C: Ning-ge, stop dallying. I want to see the rock smashing. LYN: I prepared the rock when I went to the restroom earlier, but then weibo contacted me and told me to calm down. “Weibo is a public platform, if you smash a rock on yourself that’s considered a dangerous action. You definitely cannot do such a thing, otherwise you’ll drag us into it.” I know I am very safe, but they don’t want anyone to imitate such a dangerous action- I thought about it and decided to forget the act. As per weibo’s request. C: You concluded that well. LYN: I know, right? I didn’t think of how to end it before, but all of a sudden it came to me. I’m throwing weibo under the bus. But the reasoning still sounds reasonable!
- someone asked if this was pre-recorded, so he proves it isn’t by reciting the time/date; shows his clock on his laptop C: It’s off by a minute. LYN: Maybe my clock is off.
C: Ning-ge, it’s fine if you don’t show us the rock smashing, but you can still show us your chest. LYN: My chest is here. What do you want to see? Even if I smashed the rock on my chest, I wouldn’t be doing it topless.
C: Ning-ge, go shoot some mini-series. LYN: You mean the 5-10 minute ones? It’s true- the mini-series nowadays have been very popular. The problem is eh... you probably don’t know where I came from. You think I became this popular in a sudden moment? I got to this point shooting dramas because I started off doing short videos; now you want me to go back???
- someone asks how to get into the “special guests” section of the weibo LYN: Don’t be too hung up on ranking/position. So what if you become a special guest? You’re seeing the same thing they’re seeing. It’s not like a concert- if you sit in the front row you might be able to see more clearly, but those in the special guest section and regular viewers are all seeing the same thing right now. There’s no difference. Don’t get caught up on ranks- don’t learn the bad things about this industry.
- someone asks about his water, and he says he normally doesn’t drink Perrier, but he went to shoot a CF today and they had a crafts table so he took some water and fruit home XD - he does the same thing at car showrooms, when he goes to look at the cars he will ask for a bottle of water; they bring out the fancy kind and he (and his staff) will just hold on to the bottle but not drink it... they’ll take it back with them after looking at (but not buying!) the cars. he leaves these bottles on his car and offers them to directors to drink XD he says it makes him look classy. C: What a nicely made up story. LYN: Just listen to it for entertainment, you don’t need to consider the truth or fiction of it. I don’t have that many stories to tell you. Isn’t it always just made up on the spot? XD C: Next time go to the Ferrari showroom. LYN: I don’t dare go anymore... because I’ve gone too often. The salesperson doesn’t even care about me walking in there anymore. He used to be friendly and welcoming, but by the fourth time he sees me and just continues playing on his phone, telling me to look however I want. C: That’s on you for never buying one. LYN: I never SAID I was going to buy one. I said I was there to LOOK. C: You can report him for playing with his phone while working. LYN: How can you be so mean?? C: You didn’t grab a water, though? LYN: I almost forgot. But no, I don’t grab water every time. I only take it when my car’s supply is running low. - talks about how his life goal is to own a Ferrari one day; and tells a story about how he walked into a showroom and almost couldn’t talk his way out of buying a Ferrari SF80. in the end he said he would wait for the SF90 to be released and then consider buying one XD LYN: Whenever I walk out of a Lamborghini showroom, I see all the cars on the street and think, “What are these?” The ones (in the showroom) are cars- these (on the street) are toys. :( It fills me with a new motivation to work harder, so I go to the showrooms to recharge. C: Become the spokes-model for a car brand. LYN: It’s not that I haven’t thought about it and they haven’t come around asking. But I take this very seriously, because whatever brand I work with/represent will reflect my own personal preferences. They weren’t the cars I liked, so I didn’t continue negotiating a contract with any of them. C: Then what do you like? LYN: Ferrari... Lamborghini... Bentley... those kinds will do. I might consider some others. Audi... BMW... those are okay, too. C: But we can’t afford those cars. LYN: Are there quotas for selling cars, too?? No, right? I don’t know. I’ve never done it before... C: Ning-ge! I just bought a BMW. LYN: Are you showing off?!?
C: Is Bai Choufei a good guy? LYN: Not really. When this drama airs I hope you can maintain the separation between character and actor. Don’t come to curse at me. Thank you. LYN: When the drama airs I can share with you some fun parts that we filmed, and we can look at the comments together... we’ll see. I might invite ZSX and YCY to be here with me.
C: Will you watch the drama too? LYN: Will I- I understand. Some actors do not watch their own acting. It’s not like they have anything against it, it’s that they are afraid to watch. They don’t want to see this other side of themselves on tv. But me- If I come out on a variety show I will watch my own part up to three times. Apologies. I haven’t much seen the world. Honestly I haven’t had that much work. LYN: Anything I appear in, I will watch at least three times or more. I care a lot about the viewer experience. I usually can’t catch the show right when it airs, so I will wait until the playback is up online and I will watch the whole thing. When it’s over, I’ll start back from the beginning- the second time around I am watching the comments. I want to see if anyone is cursing at me, or if any of my fans have gotten caught up in fights. I’ll fight with the comments. After a day, I’ll watch it again for the comments. I want to see how they developed over time. LYN: I’l watch the drama and when it gets to my part I’ll read the comments and then I can stream about it. Just like with Ultimate Note- I was acting as Hei Yanjing- there was a comment that said, “HYJ’s actor is no good. Doesn’t fit the original source at all. Not tall enough.” It said I wasn’t tall enough!! The only advantage I have in this industry is my height. When I saw that comment I wanted to punch through my iPad. XD Is 1.89cm short??! LYN: I’ll always watch my dramas. I probably watch even more closely than you do.
C: Do you have a membership? LYN: Yeah. My QQ membership expires in 2099. I don’t think I’ll live that long, but I can pass my account on to my grandchildren. I don’t have anything against having to pay for content/subscriptions. - says that the most complete guzhuang drama he’s watched is The Long Ballad; people start recommending him to watch Nirvana in Fire, but he truly has no time for it
C: You should play the Celestial Dog. LYN: Do you think you’re very funny? This joke has already come to its natural end. About enough is enough. You should try something funnier next time.
- finds it amusing that people were talking about a different drama and when it would air, and someone told op to go ask lyn about it. LYN: I can’t even tell you when my own dramas will air, let alone SOMEONE ELSE’S.
C: Do you get paid after filming wraps or after the drama starts airing? LYN: .... I don’t know why you’re asking this question, but I’m sure it’s because some people just don’t know the answer... C: When it finishes airing? LYN: See- you don’t know. We get paid after it finishes filming. When you first finish negotiations, they’ll give you about 30% of it first. When you finish shooting about half of the drama, they’ll give you another 30%. At the end, when the drama wraps, they’ll give you the rest. As for when the drama airs- that’s not something an actor can determine. By that time we’ve already spent most of the money, anyway.
C: Anyone who spews nonsense in Ning-ge’s streams are bots. LYN: There’s no “nonsense” here. Everyone who comes to watch my streams, even if they’re antis- I welcome. They count as a person (to up the view count), don’t they? It’s fine, all good. The stream is open to anybody. C: What a good attitude. LYN: It’s practiced. In my previous stream all people would do is curse at me. This is nothing. It’s alright if people want to come in here and talk shit about me to vent a little. That’s normal, you can vent. C: Then you can curse at me. LYN: ? What do you mean? You want me to curse at you? Are you a pervert? Why don’t you go out on the street and find someone to curse at you there? I feel like you’ll enjoy it too much if I curse at you in my stream. That’s scary. I can’t satisfy you. You can leave.
-- bathroom break
- continues playing the video because people where saying they didn’t get to watch until the end LYN: ! I saw someone say that I looked sleepy in that frame just then.
C: How come it paused? LYN: Because I paused it. They said I looked sleepy... ehm... that’s not being sleepy. Don’t make fun of me like that. First of all, my eyes are a little small, ok. No need for the personal attack. Secondly- did you not see me covered in blood?? It’s not like I’m sick and spit blood on myself, I’ve been fighting the WHOLE TIME. I’m TIRED! LYN: My eyes are just small- I’m not sleepy. C: Ask the post-editor to make your eyes bigger. LYN: ?! I already told you to watch the drama through your camera filter. You can watch the whole thing by filtering the content on tv through your phone, with the beauty filter.
LYN: If you like big eyes, just go be fans of ZSX. I can’t say anything else, but ZSX must rank among the top of the list of actors with big eyes. Of course, YCY’s are not small, either. You can just go like the two of them. C: Ning-ge, yours aren’t eyes. They’re four eyebrows on your face. LYN: Someone before said that my eyebrows were thicker than my eyes. It’s true. /sigh/ Enough, already. If you keep making fun of me I’ll go get double eyelid-surgery. Does anyone want to do it with me? A package deal. C: How about tattoos? LYN: Nope. As an actor I want to leave as few marks on myself as possible. I’m already covered in bumps and bruises enough as it is from filming... and some singing competitions. You’re easily injured if you attend any singing competitions. C: Singing competitions? LYN: My old fans will know. It’s not the competition itself that hurt me. I got eliminated and then went home and got drunk. I took a tumble and got a scar on my elbow because of it. It has nothing to do with the competition, more to do with the fact I was drinking. C: You fell in the bathroom. LYN: I DID NOT! I fell ON MY WAY to the restroom, not IN the restroom. There’s a difference in degrees of cleanliness between these two places. If you say I fell IN the restroom... that will make imaginations run wild. I was on my way.
C: Are you streaming tomorrow? LYN: I’ve already talked about three hot topics today: - YCY’s Manager wearing the same clothes as LYN - Heroes Promotional Photos released LYN: There’s another... in any case- I stream depending on what material I have to work with. If I don’t have anything, I won’t stream.
- talking a bit about the variety show, but still can’t reveal too much LYN: I’ve found out that recently there are a lot of this type of show airing now. // We were in Shandong before, but we’ve moved to Changsha and we’re planning to record and broadcast at the same time.
C: You should go to Chengdu and have hotpot with Dilireba. LYN: ?? I didn’t even know Reba was in Chengdu. The Long Ballad producer jiejie came to send me a message today and told me we should gather for a meal. SHE’s in Chengdu; she went to see Reba. Also, didn’t you see the gossip? It said I asked Reba out for a meal and she rejected me. I already got rejected once, why would I go back for more? LYN: Alright, stop mentioning her. She’s going to end up blocking me.
- tells his fans to stop trying to micro-manage him, he can take care of himself.
C: What do I have to do to get LYN to “flip” (respond) to me? LYN: Alright, I’ve flipped you. /makes a flipping gesture with his hand/ You’re a pancake- I’ll flip you over so you can fry on the other side. You’re an egg- this side is about done now, I’ll flip you over.
C: Talk about the Floating World stream. LYN: There’s not much to say about it. It was a pretty last-minute thing to begin with. Tencent wanted to go around introducing their dramas, and I think only Le You Yuan (Jing Tian & Xu Kai) and Floating World were around in Hengdian. Two days before the stream they asked me if I would be okay to host it. They already came to ask me, so it’s not as if I could have rejected them. It was fine- to me, streaming is a very easy thing. Other might find it more difficult. But honestly, I did feel some pressure, because just streaming by myself is different from streaming with other people. In my own streams I can joke around and talk back at you and make up some nonsense. But this type of stream is more of an interview-like one, where I was the host and had to keep up with the progression of topics and take care of every participant. It was a stream, but it’s different from my usual streams. I was really nervous. But the viewers and a lot of my fans were there to support me and bring up the atmosphere. It was nice. LYN: Another thing was, the internet was unstable. That makes me really anxious. Forget about me- the viewers don’t have a good experience, either. No matter how well I do, it doesn’t matter if no on can SEE it. I really wanted to take you around the tent and show you all the props, but the internet in there was terrible. It’s fine outside the tent, but once you’re inside it’s gone.
C: Ning-ge, aren’t you going to talk about any other actor? LYN: Why would I? I saw this person keep typing up other actor’s names all night. Do you think I’m a gossip blog? You want me to comment on each person’s character a little? I don’t need to critique anyone, and why would I have to? What do you want me to say? I don’t need to talk about anyone else. LYN: Honestly, we haven’t worked together at all, we’re just acquaintances. If it were someone I’ve worked with, I could talk about them a little. But I really haven’t worked with the people you are mentioning, so how do you expect me to talk about them?
C: Talk about dancing. LYN: The dancing was alright. I suddenly had a feeling that I could take a turn into the singer-dancer category. I’ve gotten a little more confident. So maybe I can keep up this momentum of learning one dance a year.
C: Ning-ge, did you ever chase stars before? LYN: This is a sensitive topic... LYN: I already told you- I’m HZT’s sasaeng fan. Through my endless efforts I now know where he lives. When I’ve got nothing better to do I go to look for him. I go to his company to intercept him. Through my efforts I have successfully become HZT’s sasaeng. C: Have you secretly followed to take pictures of him before? LYN: I don’t need to. I can just go to his company and enter his office to have a sit.
LYN: When I came over from Hengdian and left the airport there was a car that kept following mine. It followed me until the hotel entrance. It was enough for them to know where I was staying, but no- they turned around to look at my car’s license number. That was pretty terrible. I don’t know whose fan it was or if it was paparazzi- but I didn’t think well of it. LYN: You may be thinking that if I want to be an artists, I have to learn to accept these things. Let me tell you- under normal circumstances, if someone was following my car I would call the police. But when it happens to a celebrity you think it’s a normal thing. LYN: Nothing happened this time, but what if one day something does? It’s terrifying. C: You should report it. LYN: It’s alright, we’ve got their plate number, too. If I get hurt when I’m in Changsha, 90% chance it’s going to be whoever is in this car. I have proof, and I’ve got their plate number. C: What if it’s a fake plate? LYN: We can still find them- there are surveillance cameras.
LYN: In any case, the reason I understand you and spend time like this to stream with you, is because it’s all I can do. I debuted too late. I’m not like DZW, or XZC, HZT, or ZSX; They’ve already been in this industry for so much longer than I have. Before I made my debut- all these people were celebrities to me. Do you get what I’m trying to say? I was a normal person, who made my way into this industry as a singer, then an actor. Now I get to work beside all these amazing people. I know how you feel- I know I’m a colleague now but before I debuted I was just like you, watching their dramas and singing their songs. LYN: Sometimes on shows I’ll see someone and get excited- like Wang Sulong- and I’ll tell him, “You’re my idol. You’re my god.” I’m not doing it for the show, those are my true feelings. When I was in the village, I would sing his songs at other people’s weddings. In my heart he’s my idol, and a star I used to chase. That’s why I like to do what I can to try and give you some company.
C: Can I reserve you for my wedding? LYN: That was before I debuted- I would take any job I could. Not only that, some people didn’t even WANT to use me. They didn’t want me to sing AND they looked down on me. But now that I’ve debuted I’ve drifted- I don’t take these jobs anymore. :)
LYN: Sometimes I see people questioning who’s got my back, and how I have such good resources. You’ve seen those comments, too, right? I don’t have any talent agency or rich woman backing me. I used to come from a live-streaming company, and after I got out of it I opened my own studio. I own 100% of the stocks- no one else has invested in me. My group and I have been the same people working together for all these years. There’s really no one behind us. LYN: Why does it seem like I’m doing so well? I really just got lucky. Some people don’t believe it. /rolls his eyes/ I’m already very helplessly telling you in detail about how I got the jobs I did, WHY DON’T YOU BELIEVE ME?? I don’t know- it’s so strange. LYN: I’ve just met very good people. When I’m having a hard time, all of a sudden something will come up. Like just when my drama is about to wrap and I start to worry about what I’ll do next, within three days of thinking that something will come up! It’s happened again and again! When you think the job isn’t good enough, and are looking for something better- within three days, without fail! Something better came! LYN: When my staff want to play something that requires luck, I definitely will never play with them. I’m afraid I’ll use up all my good luck on games. I really think that a person’s luck has a limit. I can’t use all of mine winning for a whole a night in mahjong. I don’t do anything that requires making a bet/chances. I don’t even play blind boxes. I keep it for my career.
LYN: I hope anyone who goes out does so with the proper protection- your health is the most important.
C: Ning-ge, let me borrow some luck I need to take tests soon. LYN: I wish you well on your tests but ... you can’t rely on luck for things like this. It depends more on your ability. Tests are very fair, because everyone’s is the same. However many points you can achieve is on you. It’s not like some people’s tests are easier/harder than yours. Tests are one of the only fair things in this world. C: Comparatively. LYN: Yes. Because there are only so many fair things. LYN: The last time I streamed someone asked me if there was a difference between normal people and people in the entertainment industry. Do you remember? I said there was no difference. I was a waiter, and now I’m an actor. I didn’t think there was any difference, but I saw someone say, “Of course there’s a difference. Waiters don’t make as much money as actors.” Most of the comments were like this. It’s true, but not for everybody. There are some actors who get paid little to begin with, and half of their income goes to their manager. You may say that an actor’s starting line is higher than that of a waiter’s. I just want to tell everyone that not everything is how you see it. I also said that a waiter and an actor was the same- we’re both in the customer service industry. I WAS a waiter and became an actor... if you think being an actor is better, then you come act, too! I made a successful change in career- I can do it, you can too. LYN: Complaining doesn’t help you. If you had the ability, you can fight for your chances, too! You can’t see other people doing well and be envious of their lives, but do nothing to change yourself. You can do it, too. If there’s something you want or some way you want to live, you can work hard to achieve it. Don’t blame it on your household situation- I’m sure mine wasn’t as good as yours is now. I’m not trying to make you pity me. A lot of successful people might not have had a life as good as yours, but they still succeeded. Why? You can think about it, but the time isn’t there for you to sit around and complain.
LYN: I’m not trying to teach you how to live your life, I just wanted to share. My requirement for myself is that I forget all the bad things. Some people think “I can’t stand to see someone doing better than me” others will think “I CAN see others doing well, but not if they’re better than me.” I’ll try to force myself to get rid of these thoughts. What others do has nothing to do with me. If they’re doing well, that’s their own business. I’m only in charge of making sure I do well for myself. They’re not going to let me spend their money, and they’re also not taking my money away from me. I keep adjusting my mindset. I don’t want to compete with anyone other than myself. LYN: Other people have nothing to do with me. To put it bluntly, even if they disappeared it wouldn’t be my problem. My way of life right now is: It doesn’t matter. There’s no need. It’s not worthwhile. It has nothing to do with me. I hope you can learn to be like this, too- just live for yourself. You’ll be much happier that way. LYN: I think life is all about the choices you make. Honestly, if I were in a rush to make money when I first debuted, I don’t think I would have been able to become and actor and make it to where I am today. You know? A person’s choices are very important. You only see the result, but you don’t know what they’ve experienced. // I was never focused on the money- from the start I had always just wanted to be a celebrity, and my choices were made with that in mind. LYN: You’ve got to be more open-minded. Widen your horizon.
C: If you want to keep being famous, you have to have products. LYN: That’s what I’m saying! Heroes is about to air soon so I hope you can watch it when it airs. Save me some face, alright. Because it’s true that we don’t have as much funds to promote our drama like other S-class dramas do. We as the actors have to push it ourselves. As an actor or a singer, all we want is for more and more people to see our works. Alright? Thanks, everyone.
LYN: That’s about it for today. I have to go shoot number 4 out of 18 commercials I’ve got lined up. Didn’t he (ZSX) tell me he had 7 CFs? I need to go shoot number 4 of 28 tomorrow! XD LYN: I hope you had a wonderful night, it was great to have you. If you still haven’t subscribed to my weibo yet, please do so. It’ll let you know when I stream next. Good night everyone! Sweet dreams!
#Liu Yuning#lyn livestream#(4:59:19)#topics:#talking about Heroes#rumor: lyn and ycy('s manager) got together#lyn's favorite pastime: bullying zsx#jianghu vs wuxia#voice acting#rumor: lyn in yang zi's new drama Sword and Love#ning-ge's next drama (maybe? probably?) - 一念关山#(< after the modern drama)#liking lyn is like opening a blind box: you don't know what you'll gain#standards for choosing dramas/brands#lyn's 2nd favorite pastime: bullying fang yilun XD#does he watch his own shows: yes
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Hey G, what cdramas do you recommend? I'm in the middle of The Untamed right now and I'm interested in putting more cdramas on my watchlist.
oh boy, so ok lemme preface this by disclaiming: I haven't seen any of the (mlm) gay ones. my shipping preferences are exclusively het/femslash and that is reflected in my cdrama consumption! I also don't care for modern stuff, so it's period dramas and a lot of wuxia/xianxia (mostly xianxia, which is kind of my platonic ideal of a genre.) also it's a lot of yang mi dramas but that's a coincidence—she just takes roles in all the projects i'm interested in!
that said, I know the mlm shippy ones everyone else recs include Nirvana in Fire, Word of Honor, and Heaven Official's Blessing (idk if there's a live action version of this yet but there's definitely a novel/donghua.)
so with that out of the way, I'm gonna separate this into a) recent recs, b) classics and recent adaptations of classics, and b) other shows I've seen but did not Vibe with. note that I'm not including cws because there are just too many, but if you have questions about potentially triggering content in any of these, feel free to ask me for more info.
actual recs
1) Ten Miles of Peach Blossoms, aka Three Lives Three Worlds aka Eternal Love (I think that's the dumb genericized english title on netflix.) it’s extremely difficult to summarize this one due to its huge cast and elaborate plot but suffice to say: local immortal couple are so extremely star-crossed it takes them three lives to get it right and causes great collateral damage to international immortal politics.
fun fact: this is the single most watched tv show of all time. like, anywhere. possibly because it's so unhinged and eminently re-watchable. I think it's a great intro to the xianxia genre and I chalk its success up to the fact that it's fanfic trope overload. seriously, there are at least three "there was only one bed" scenes in this one show. I think the protagonists are fairly terrible people and yet I can't look away from their train wreck of a relationship.
luckily it's a huge ensemble cast so there are plenty of other characters for me to enjoy (bi4bi king and queen zilan and yanzhi supremacy give me their spinoff right now.) there are also Supporting Character Gays who could not be more obviously homosexual if they tried and it’s very fun.
there's also an actual spinoff I couldn't get into because I Simply Do Not Care about those characters but hey maybe you guys will
in conclusion, TMOPB is a good Xianxia Starter Pack because it includes a lot of common tropes. I learned a lot just by googling which things were specific inventions of the show vs which things were actual mythology! this show is so popular that basically every other xianxia made post-2017 is a clone of it (seriously, if they don't STOP with these stoic emotionless love interests i’m gonna hurl myself into a magical abyss.)
goofiest cgi character: the Four Beasts (no I’m still not over the sphincter-mouth.) honorable mention goes to yehua’s tiny offended snake form
2) Legend of Fuyao - sort of a rags-to-riches hero’s journey/jianghu story in which the heroine wanders through several different fantasy countries kicking ass and doing fun sidequests.
the first cdrama I ever watched (after seeing how epic the trailer looked) and still my favorite. notably the only time I have ever actually shipped the two leads. also notable in that the characters are more flawed and multidimensional than you'd typically see in a show like this—I particularly enjoy the concept of "fun Trickster King love interest but he's also kind of a pathological liar and that has actual consequences." has a rough start and drags in places but it's one of the most visually stunning shows on this list and has a fun ensemble cast, some of my favorite fight scenes, and a lot of good h/c moments.
goofiest cgi character: gotta hand it to yuanbao. if I had a nickel for every time the entire plot hinged on the actions of a single cgi guinea pig
3) Story of Yanxi Palace - a backstabby court intrigue period drama that imagines the rise of real historical figure Consort Ling, who rose from obscurity to great power in the court of the qianlong emperor.
the single most googled show of all time. notable for its gorgeous, elaborate costumes and general attention to detail in design. one of two on this list that's pure period drama, no fantasy (though it certainly takes liberties with actual history.) also probably the most ~”western”-style~ show on the list in terms of pacing and plot structure. it fits right in with prestige period shows like The Tudors or The Borgias, (albeit with far less graphic violence and sex scenes.) a pretty interesting heroine who, again, has actual flaws (still too much candy:spinach ratio, but I'll take what I can get here.)
I'm just gonna say it: yingluo and empress fuca were super gay for each other. just let them stay home and lez
sadly devoid of goofy cgi characters
4) Princess Agents - another hero’s journey-style fantasy, this time about Becoming A Badass Spy. basically the cdrama Nikita.
another of those ones everyone recs as a quintessential drama of the last decade. I actually haven't finished it, but the big chunk I've seen is solidly Good even if it's another stoic love interest I can't stand (the second lead is charming enough to make up for this.) has one of the sickest opening themes out there
and contains both princesses and agents but sadly none of them are the same people so I consider the title false advertising
goofiest cgi character: I s2g if that parrot doesn’t sHUT UP
5) The Wolf - girl meets boy raised by wolves. Tiny Horse scene is reenacted. they meet again as adults but he’s since become a war criminal so that complicates things :D
if you like angst and betrayal, this is the show for you. a Stoic Love Interest I actually don’t mind for once + a fun arranged marriage slowburn arc and a likable second lead (Untamed stans have ensured that you will see zero gifs of the two actual leads when you search for this show.) has the other sickest opening theme out there
goofiest cgi character: I mean, it’s right there in the title
6) Novoland: Pearl Eclipse - another fantasy about being trained as a badass secret agent, only this time involving mermaids and domestic abuse! hooray
watching this one right now and it’s interesting so far. I once again only care about the side characters but it’s possible that’s a Me Problem ([holding up zhuoying] I just think he’s neat!) has the single most unhinged opening scene I have ever experienced. I haven’t seen any of the other Novoland Cinematic Universe shows but I’ll probably look them up after this!
goofiest cgi character: the sharknado
7) The Eternal Love (and The Eternal Love 3) - not to be confused with Eternal Love sans-“The,” this show was made on a budget of ten and is so weird and silly. it gets so much mileage out of its simple bodyswap/time travel/fish out of water concept (which is also RIPE for fic AUs imo) that it was a runaway hit and they made two more seasons (which are basically...AUs of the first season? it makes sense in context.) I skipped season 2 but season 3′s “lol role reversal it’s a MATRIARCHY” concept was also really fun.
a few shows I haven’t seen but get recced all the time: Rise of Phoenixes, Story of Minglan, Novoland: Eagle Flag
some modern classics/adaptations of modern classics
1) Princess Pearl, aka My Fair Princess/a bunch of other titles. a “Prince and the Pauper” -type story set during the rein of the qianlong emperor (but much lighter and fluffier than Yanxi Palace.)
made on a budget of half a shoestring (and it shows), this show was a crazy runaway hit that catapulted its unknown leads to megastardom so powerful that the government straight up erased zhao wei from the internet.
maybe the real princess was the Gal Pals we made along the way
2) The Return of the Condor Heroes (2006) - another “orphan becomes a badass and experiences star-crossed love” jianghu story. this seems to be the most well-liked adaptation of its extremely popular novel afaik. I haven’t seen that much of it, but I can definitely see why it’s popular!
3) Handsome Siblings (netflix version) - two Very Opposite fraternal twins separated at birth are manipulated into becoming mortal enemies, and hijinks ensue. sort of a picaresque take on the jianghu with lots of comedic sidequests. also based on a super popular novel.
tbh I probably wouldn’t have gotten all the way through this one if I hadn’t been sick and couchbound when I watched it, but the third act is super fun! the non-netflix adaptations might be better, idk.
gotta love that title. the author said look at my OCs!! they’re a couple of real handsome boys!!!
shows I Do Not Vibe With no tea no shade they just aren’t for me
Ancient Love Poetry - I tried really hard because the cast looks fun but it’s just. a much more soulless clone of TMOPB with none of the fun Weird Shit or compelling characters.
The Flame's Daughter - this plot was so complicated I could not tell you the first thing about it. kids are getting switched at birth, everyone is double-cast as their own dead mom, and I don’t care enough about the characters to try to parse out their bizarre motivations (ok, fine, I admit I liked the side characters.)
Maiden Holmes - a fun “woman dresses as man in order to be a detective” premise but I simply didn’t care about the characters.
Miss the Dragon - maybe the later episodes are good, but I couldn’t get past the complete lack of story in the first few.
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Gu Meng Translation
孤梦 - 张哲瀚 [1]
Lonely Dream - Zhang Zhehan
昨夜东风把心吹落到空城
Last night the east wind carried my heart to a deserted city
落入凡尘细无声
Falling silently into the mortal world
几轮指纹刻下年轮的虔诚 [2]
Over how many cycles have fingertips carved the sincerity of passing years?
用情太深不可争
Indisputable, feelings too deep
放不下所有的回忆都像 一场孤梦
All the memories I cannot let go are like a lonely dream
江湖几番沉沦枉为余生 [3]
The many deaths in this world leave this life in vain
是否辜负几人才会让梦 起了风 [4]
Will only disappointing people let this dream scatter?
恍然之间都成见证
Suddenly everything becomes evident
昨日细雨把心困住不由衷 [5]
Last night the drizzling rain trapped my heart with insincerity
空有坚韧亦无用
Futilely tenacious and pointless
几世经纶书写时间的宽容 [6]
Across how many lifetimes have silk threads documented the lenience of time?
用情太真不可碰
Untouchable, feelings too true
放不下所有的回忆都像 一场孤梦
All the memories I cannot let go are like a lonely dream
江湖几番沉沦枉为余生
The many deaths in this world leave this life in vain
是否辜负几人才会让梦 起了风
Will only disappointing people let this dream scatter?
恍然之间都成见证
Suddenly everything becomes evident
离不开所有的回忆都像 一场孤梦
All the memories I cannot leave are like a lonely dream
命运几番纠缠风起云涌
The many snags of fate surges in gathering storms
莫非看透红尘才会让梦 起了风
Must one see through humanity before this dream can be scattered?
霎那之间人去楼空 [7]
In an instant everything is deserted
霎那之间人去楼空
In an instant everything is deserted
[1] 孤梦 Lonely dream, usually used to describe a mental state of desolation/isolation.
[2] Literally 年轮 are tree rings. But i’m choosing to translate as passing years. The imagery in this line is really nice because the fingerprints tracing has the character for wheel/cycle but so does tree rings. And fingerprints and tree rings are all details on a surface. So the repetition of the character choice is mirrored by the parallel imagery. I love this line.
[3] So I really struggled with this line. By characters, it’s something “Jianghu (the Wuxia/Xianxia world) has suffered how many sinkings/oblivions, in vain the rest of one’s life”. Another interpretation of oblivions is death and with the Jianghu stuff and zzs’s story I went with that… and the rest of the life in vain part -- I felt it was ambiguous in the Chinese as to who it was referring to. And I'm glad that sense of ambiguity was preserved.
[4]起了风 is wind rises which I translated as scattered because in illusions and dreams i get a sense of fog and I extrapolated the imagery. Call it translator’s artistic license.
[5]言不由衷 means insincerity: words not aligned with inner feelings. Here the last part of the phrase is used but the heart is captured by it. I felt like insincerity still worked so I kept it.
[6] Silk threads here can also refer to state craft. I thought the original meaning of the words are prettier so I went with it.
[7] Literally “people have vanished and buildings” have emptied and the word empty echoes the word empty in the first line so i translated it with deserted to preserve that mood.
I have been literally listening to this song on repeat for 2.5 weeks. I LOVE THIS SONG SO MUCH! I am IN LOVE with how the song’s stanzas are more or less one giant couplet. Other than the second lines where I didn’t think i could keep parallel sentence structures, I tried to maintain sentence structure parallels in my translation. You can see it here side by side:
I love this song so much. It just stabs me in all the right ways. I love how it sounds and how soft and gentle it is. It feels like rain falling on a fall day as the trees become bare. It feels like a wind blowing across branches that leaves me shivering in the cold. It feels like disappointment and self loathing and sorrow and all the most melancholic things about fall. I think it captures all the reasons why zzs decided to put the nails in himself and it just kills me. I love love love this song.
30Mar21 edit:
1) 昨日细雨把心困住不由衷 should be Yesterday the drizzling rain trapped my heart with insincerity. ope. i didn’t notice the 日 vs 夜 when i was translating. oops. (fixed it in the snip but not in the main text)
2) i’m wondering if scatter should be disperse. i think disperse would be nicer...
#Shan He Hell#Word of Honor#WoH#山河令#SHL#周子舒#zhou zishu#张哲瀚#zhang zhehan#my translation#WoH OST#SHL OST#song lyrics#long post#mine#lyrics#translation
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thank you so much for the honorifics post! i was wondering if you have any recommendations for dramas where the cultivation world exists side by side with a royal court? mxtx ignores the existence of any type of empire and i'm curious to see how terms of address, honorifics, and language in general differs with the inclusion of different social ranks (i'm watching 月上重��� right now and the mix of both worlds is super interesting). Thank you again!!
This is a super good question and I’m going to answer it with the limited knowledge that I have haha. If I am way off base here and/or if other people have recommendations, I hope they can add to this!
I’m going to preface this by saying that I’ll play fast and loose with the definitions here and throw in some wuxia (a lot of them have fantasy/martial arts elements even though there’s no specific reference to cultivation) and also some ‘royal court’ settings within the cultivation world. A lot of xianxia actually do have some element of royalty (e.g. characters being royalty of the heavenly realms etc.) and the honorifics employed here for the large part cross over to the imperial dynastic setting. AFAIK there is not really a drama out there with a perfect blend of both xianxia and historical court intrigue in the strictest sense (the two worlds don’t really mix) – hence my taking liberties.
Warning: not all of these shows have a happy ending.
Side note for anyone who needs a quick explanation on wuxia vs. xianxia:
Wuxia is the genre of martial arts stories, sects, often set in ancient China, these tend to be ‘real world’ setting stories except the people practice martial arts, there’s sects and and it’s set in the jianghu, the pugilist world, which… is kind of both a shared world with the secular world of regular human beings and an alternate world upon itself. I know, I’m doing a terrible job of explaining this. It’s basically historical fiction.
At the risk of hugely oversimplifying genres, xianxia is baaaaasically wuxia on fantasy drugs. It adds Daoist influences and that’s how you end up with the concept of cultivation sects (as opposed to martial arts sects), immortality, the realms, ghosts and ghouls etc. Again, I’m grossly oversimplifying, but in terms of honorifics and broad concepts, there’s a huge amount of crossover. Xianxia really exploded as a genre in more recent years and is now the popular kid on the block, but wuxia is the OG. I’m showing my age here.
Ashes of Love (香蜜沉沉烬如霜)
This was like THE hottest drama in recent years until The Untamed came along. Since the protagonists are royalty (in the heavenly realm), there’s a lot of usage of court-specific honorifics (殿下,皇上,臣 etc.) Story is very focused around the love triangle though, which I’m fine with but as with all love triangles, it’s very will-they-won’t-they. Also the soundtrack is really good haha.
Legend of Fuyao (扶摇)
This is more wuxia with fantasy elements. It’s broadly a coming-of-age romance story, but there is a lot more state affairs and politics rolled into it as there’s five kingdoms (all fictional). Starts strong, but ends with a mediocre second half. IMO Fu Yao is a well-written, strong female character that also benefits from Yang Mi’s acting, although a lot of Chinese viewers also think she’s a Mary Sue. So if you do watch this I’m interested to see what you think!
Ever Night (将夜)
Set in the Tang dynasty, this is probably the most relevant to what you’re asking! It’s a combination of cultivation, and kingdoms, with some cultivators leading kingdoms. We follow the path of our male lead protagonist on his quest for vengeance (what else) and cultivation.
With that said, I will say that the relationship between the male protagonist and his love interest has an …interesting and somewhat controversial premise that I won’t spoil here but DM or google if you need to know. Full warning: it suffers from pacing problems, so I don’t know if I would wholeheartedly recommend it, but thought it would be remiss of me not to. If you thought Legend of Fuyao was long, oh boy you’re in for a ride. No lie, I fast forwarded through a bunch of it.
Nirvana in Fire (琅琊榜)
This is a non-romance wuxia historical drama. I just wanted to squeeze this in here even though there’s no mention of cultivation anywhere because it’s SO. GOOD. Without the distraction of a huge romance plot, the show really deals with the ideas of rebirth, revenge and politics. It’s also benefits from being extremely well-written from a plot perspective – there’s a lot of believable politicking, both within and outside the palace. We’re talking sects, officials, alliances, princes, wives, concubines. We’re talking characters with depth and ACTUAL logical motives beyond “I had to write it that way to advance the plot”. We’re talking Princess Nihuang, who is THE Merriam-Webster definition of badass. There’s also a Season 2 (completely different story set 50 years after), which I haven’t seen but have heard it’s great.
/side note on honorifics: If you want honorifics, *slaps drama* this bad boy can fit so many honorifics in it. And to be honest, I think that the key to understanding honorifics is to understand the underlying social structures and concepts (respect, familiarity, positions of power) that existed in ancient China as a whole, and that’s not genre specific. And once you’ve grasped it, it really doesn’t hinder your understanding of the novel/drama if you don’t know the exact difference between words like 师傅 and 师父 as long as you grasp the fundamental meaning if I’m being 100% honest.
#xianxia#wuxia#recs#meta#guys i really only watch so many dramas so please let me know what else you would recommend so I can add it to my list too haha#why are these posts so long when i've already tried to keep it short
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Lately, I keep on thinking about how WWX and LWJ are soulmates and how similar they are in their sense of morality. I realized that Lan and Jiang sects have the same motto executed with vastly different aesthetics. WWX and LWJ embody their sects mottos in spirit and in style and the core similarities is what makes them work so well together.
明知不可为而为之. Hunxi-guilai and drwcn explain it really well here. It's a long motto, kinda convoluted in both diction and meaning. From a family rooted in the messy love, hatred, and entanglement of cultivator jianghu (wuxia term for the wuxia world where everyone is fighting), this motto distills all those complicated jianghu feelings into a moral compass. You have to GET it or you'll be lost. It feels like something wwx would say as he saunters around waving Suibian or Chenqing. It actually is wwx as a person - deeply moral but seemingly unrestrained.
雅正, on the other hand, is super succinct. You can probably translate the gusu lan motto as elegant and righteous. 雅, simply means elegant. 正 means straight, correct, upright. It is a character that has all right angles and looks as rigid as lwj sitting in a lecture all. 正 is also used in modern Chinese as part of the word for square (正方形) vs rectangle (长方形) [square is the proper square shape while a rectangle is an elongated square shape]. So in two characters the gusu lan motto gives us a great sense of who they are as people: elegant squares. That's about how many characters lwj likes to say in one go when we first meet him anyway!
Yet both mottos point towards goodness and righteousness. Yunmeng expects their people to stand out and do what must be done. Gusu expect their people to maintain elegance while upholding values. As the cultivation world yields to jgs and jgy, both lwj and wwx are guided by their sect motto to hold to righteousness, kindness, and morality. Lwj does it elegantly and unwavering. Wwx does it via violent upheavals that he knows might get him killed. No wonder they see their shared spirit and end up falling deeply for each other.
#wangxian#yunmeng motto#lan motto#lan wangji#wei wuxian#no wonder they fall in love#character analysis#language analysis#meta#mine#cql#mdzs#the untamed 陈情令#the untamed#蓝湛#蓝忘机#蓝氏家训#江氏家训#魏婴#魏无羡#陈情令#魔道祖师
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