#janjaem suwannapheng

[fcbalding]

poc athlete supporting each other this olympics we love to see it

[etruski]

This is what I like to see, women supporting women 🥹

[pedrism]

womanhood

[usertoxicyaoi]

Algeria's Imane Khelif (Gold), China's Yang Liu (Silver), Taiwan's Chen Nien Chin (Bronze) and Thailand's Janjaem Suwannapheng (Bronze) celebrating on the Podium at the Paris Olympics 2024.

[momosane]

Imane Khelif of Algeria makes it to the final of the women’s 66kg boxing after winning against Thailand’s Janjaem Suwannapheng!

[makoto-shizumu]

I am so proud of all these ladies. 💖💖💖

🥉🇹🇼 Our Chen Nien-Chin, who has finally earned herself a medal after three Olympics.

🥉🇹🇭 Janjaem Suwannapheng, a wholesome person and amazing sport.

🥈🇨🇳 Yang Liu, you may have broken our hearts by beating Nien-Chin in the semis, but you will have my love no matter what.

🥇🇩🇿 And of course - your Olympic Champion, Imane Khelif! Against all odds, she has done it!

[cobraonthecob]

yeah i'm still crying about imane khelif's win and this photo has me inconsolable

[icedsodapop]

Seeing Chen Nien Chin, Janjaem Suwannapheng and Yang Liu including Imane Khelif as they pose with their medals and take selfies together, and just being supportive and kind to one another esp after the media shitstorm Imane Khelif went through 🥹 what a nice day to see for woman of colour...

[tongjaitongjai]

Can we talk about this picture of Janjaem (the Thai boxer who won a bronze medal) kissing Imane’s gold medal? Janjaem said she was in the elevator with Imane when she suddenly felt dizzy and was about to faint. Imane noticed this and tried to help, but ended up giving Janjaem the gold medal and told her to "kiss" it. However, Janjaem, who was about to faint, thought Imane said "Christ" and was started looking for Jesus on the medal😭😭😭

[camilleisdrawing]

OUR P'BEE JANJAEM 🥉🥊Looking forward to her Mor Lam moves! 💖

[id: Vibrant neon colours art. A short-haired muscular person wearing red boxing helmet and gloves, a red tank top and white pants, is looking somewhere outside the picture determinedly. On her tank top is a small flag of Thailand. Behind her is an abstract explosion of colours such as yellow, violet, cyan, and pink. Above is a bold, written text: "JANJAEM". The art is adorned with bright sparkles throughout. ]

[thislousytshirt]

none of the female boxing competitors who have made public statements on whether they want to fight intersex women have actually said that they think they are women. even suwannapheng who is being the least terrible about it has just said something like "well we are both human, we are evenly matched" and "she has been beaten before, idk maybe her male hormones got stronger" which may be just like, a way to avoid saying "i think the other women are wimps and i can beat her" but is wildly ignorant though. i mean it kind of sounds like she is accusing her of doping?? or trying to save face in case she loses? i dont think thats the case i think shes just ignorant and trying to be a good sport while not making any kind of political statement about gender but still.

also it looks like khelif has changed her hairstyle to look more in like with white feminimity which yeah cannot blame her

[theanticool]

Surmeneli out! 2020 Olympic gold medalist and the favorite at 66 kg loses on the cards to Janjaem Suwannapheng. Huge win for Janjaem. Looked great throughout. Never gave Surmeneli anything for free.

[intersectionalpraxis]

Imane Khelif earned a gold medal at the Paris Olympics! Seeing images and videos of the final match truly shows what REAL sportspersonship is and what women supporting women ACTUALLY looks like:

Look at their smiles!!!

Congratulations to Yang Liu of China for winning Silver, Janjaem Suwannapheng of Thailand and Taiwan's Chen Nien-chin for winning bronze!!

[momosane]

Imane Khelif wins gold in the women’s 66kg boxing after winning against China’s Yang Liu! A first for Algeria in women’s boxing!

[makoto-shizumu]

BIG NEWS! World Boxing receives its first batch of new arrivals since the Paris Olympics - 🇹🇼 Taiwan, 🇵🇰 Pakistan, 🇧🇹 Bhutan, 🇫🇯 Fiji, and 🇪🇨 Ecuador, bringing the number of members to 42.

Algeria and Thailand are not yet in WB, but Imane Khelif and Janjaem Suwannapheng are mutuals w/ WB on Instagram 👀

Only 8 more to be recognized by the IOC!

[lilacsupernova]

*Note: Tumblr might say reblogs have been turned off for this post. They haven't!*

(Also: I have a deeper, updated dive coming soon!)

Some commentary on the Imane Khelif & Lin Yu Ting boxing situation

I read these two as male. Nothing has indicated they are trans-identifying but the image of Imane Khelif as a child might indicate him being raised as a girl due to having a DSD. This is irrelevant to whether he should compete as a woman though. Both athletes have XY chromosomes – which if untrue they could do a simple cheek swab to prove they're women (as if they wouldn't already know from not having periods etc.). This would only need to be done once, and is less invasive than regular doping tests all athletes do! If XY chromosomes are found (as they already have been), they should do as Erik Schinegger did in 1968 and refuse to compete in the women's category anymore.

Claims this is a big conspiracy where the IBA are lying due to corruption are illogical. The claim they only disqualified Khelif and Yu Ting so they couldn't beat Russian boxers is false. While it sounds like they are corrupt due to Russian influence, and they ordered the DNA tests, the tests themselves were performed independently and showed they had XY chromosomes. Based on this info, and their women-have-XX-chromosomes policy the IBA banned them from competing in the women's category. Think about it, how bold (and stupid) would it be to falsely claim these two aren't female, given how easily that claim could be disproved?

Plus, if we're going to throw around corruption claims, how about the IOC? Who we know are happy to allow men to compete in the women's category based on their baffling and nonsensical rules (including no presumption of advantage based on sex)? Who ended sex-verification screening in 2000? Something Independent Council on Women’s Sports (ICONS) co-founder Marshi Smith has condemned, saying it allows the Yu Ting/Khelif issue to even be a thing. The IOC who decided they could compete as women based on passport sex markers? (Which we know can be legal fictions). Who previously allowed Caster Semenya - a man with a DSD, XY chromosomes and undescended testes - to compete as a woman? Who allowed Semenya, Francine Niyonsaba and Margaret Nyairera Wambui to take all three medals at the Rio 2016 women's 800m? I see far more evidence for how corruption is affecting the IOC's view in this matter than the IBA's.

I will also remind everyone (including radfems) that all because a corrupt/'bad'/bad person said something, it does not necessarily mean what they're saying is false! We know the words of radfems/GC people/anyone can be disregarded and derided because they've been branded a 'TERF', but that does not indicate the veracity of their words! The strength of their claims / arguments do. (I wish I could find that meme about a priest saying the sky is blue or something like that). I'm not telling you to believe what I'm saying because I'm saying it; do your own research, think critically, and make up your own minds based on the evidence.

The boxers in question:

Lin Yu Ting is guaranteed a bronze medal at minimum in the Women's 57kg due to making the semifinals (both boxers who lose the semis get bronze, the winners compete in the final for gold). His semi is 7 August at 9.30pm (all times Paris time) against Turkey's Esra Yildiz Kahraman, and the final will be 10 August at 9.30pm (worth watching anyway to support the women!).

Imane Khelif is also guaranteed a bronze minimum in the 66kg Women's category. He plays Janjaem Suwannapheng from Thailand on 6 August at 10.34pm. If he reaches the final, it's 9 August at 10.51pm.

What other boxers have said:

Svetlana Staneva of Bulgaria protested by refusing to shake Lu Ting's hand and making an X symbol after she was defeated by him 5-0.

Angela Carini burst into tears and refused to shake Khelif's hands after choosing to forfeit the match due the fearing for her safety due the strength of his punches. She later issued an apology, which frankly I suspect she was pressured into in order to be allowed to continue to box.

Brianda Tamara from Mexico also alluded to the strength of Khelif's blows, saying "when I fought with her I felt very out of my depth. Her blows hurt me a lot, I don’t think I had ever felt like that in my 13 years as a boxer, nor in my sparring with men. Thank God that day I got out of the ring safely, and it’s good that they finally realized."

Caitlin Parker, the Australian boxing captain says "I don't agree with [Khelif and Yu Ting] being allowed to compete in sport, especially combat sports. It can be incredibly dangerous. It's not like I haven't sparred men before. But you know it can be dangerous for combat sports and it should be seriously looked into. Yes, biologically … genetically they are going to have more advantages. I really hope the organisations get their act together so that boxing can continue to be at the Olympics. It's the oldest Olympic sport. Women's boxing was only introduced in 2012 and I want to see it for the next 100, 200 years to come." (She competes in the 75kg semifinal on 8 August at 10.02pm).

Santiago Nieva, an Australian boxing coach, and Marissa Williamson, who could have met Khelif in the 66kg category disagree. Only the male coach is quoted, however.

Hergie Bacyadan, a female Filipina boxer who identifies as a trans male (but hasn't taken testosterone) on the other hand agrees with Parker, saying through a translator "in sparring it's OK, but if they have XY chromosomes in competition, they should abide by the rules."

Former women's world champion Mária Kovács has wryly remarked that in modern women's boxing "there is a 20 percent chance that one of the athletes will suffer a testicular injury." She also discouraged Hungary's Anna Luca Hámori from competing against Khelif. Hámori posted an AI picture on Instagram of a female boxer fighting a devil and referred to Khelif as a man, for which the Algerian Olympic Committee submitted a complaint to the IOC, and forced her to delete it and apologise to Khelif. She was then defeated by Khelif 5-0 in the quarterfinal, hugging him afterwards. (Similar situation to Carini?)

What others have said:

An open letter calling for the IOC the reverse its decision to allow Yu Ting and Khelif to compete, and to reinstate sex screening has been signed by the likes of: Sharron Davies, Riley Gaines, Martina Navratrilova, Fair Play for Women, Save Women's Sport Australasia, Women's Declaration International, and more.

Dr Emma Hilton, a developmental biologist, has done research which found "a male boxer's punch is 160% more powerful than a woman's". (Unfortunately the article doesn't cite which study, and I don't have access to her articles to determine which one it is). She considers "this decision to include two men (Khelif and Yu-ting) in women's boxing to be extremely worrying, both for the safety and well-being of the female boxers against whom these two men will be competing."

Lastly, the UN's special rapporteur on violence against women and girls Reem Alsalem has said Carini "rightly followed her instincts and prioritised her physical safety, but she and other female athletes should not have been exposed to this physical and psychological violence based on their sex."

Other commentary:

Here is some commentary from IreneBritUSA, Karen Davis of You're Kidding, Right?, Aja the Empress, Marshi Smith (co-founder of ICONS), Jennifer Sieland, Anna Slatz, Dr Colin Wright (an evolutionary biologist), Meghan Murphy and Mary Lou Singleton (upcoming), and Doriane Lambelet Coleman. Note several WoC are speaking out!