#jane killion

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Finally started When Pigs Fly by Jane Killion! So far it’s alright lol. Chapters 1-2 mostly just introduce the concept of biddability and briefly mention the four quadrants, so it’s nothing I didn’t already know. I’m hoping it goes a bit more in depth in the next few chapters🤞

My only real gripe so far is a bit nitpick-y, but I don’t love the way she describes a biddable dog. Ime even the most biddable dog needs a “why” when asked to do a behavior. No dog is going to work without some sort of reinforcement, it’s just that a Border Collie will likely have lower standards than a Bull Terrier for what counts as acceptably reinforcing.

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Well Socialized Puppies Alberta

Puppy Culture is a comprehensive and science-based approach to raising and socializing puppies during their critical developmental period. This program aims to provide breeders and puppy owners with a structured set of protocols and activities that contribute to the well-rounded development and well socialized puppies of Alberta. Originally created by Jane Killion, Puppy Culture is widely recognized for its emphasis on early socialization, positive reinforcement, and exposure to various stimuli.

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started reading when pigs fly! by jane killion and i already found smthn to be upset over in the first chapter 😩

“Before you throw up your hands and say, “Well, there is it. My dog is genetically programmed to ignore me,” consider this: If you were comfortably at home watching TV, and your spouse said, “Go upstairs and pack your suitcase,” you would probably say “Why?” If he or she answered, “Because I say so,” you might or might not actually pack your bag, and you would probably be a little resentful about being ordered around that way. Most people would want the courtesy of an explanation. Even if you did pack your bag, you would do so reluctantly. If, instead of, “Because I say so,” he or she said, “We just won the lottery and to celebrate we are going to the French Riviera!” you’d run upstairs right away and pack, wouldn’t you? Well, non-biddable dogs think the same way that you do. Biddable dogs would not as “Why?” if they were told to go upstairs and pack their bags, but non-biddable dogs would need more information before they made their choices about whether or not to comply with your request. Biddability, then, can be defined as removing the “Why?” from the dog’s psyche. The biddable dog never asks why, he just does what you are asking.” (11)

with much respect... what the fuck is she on. i completely disagree with the way that jane killion defines and describes the difference between biddable and non-biddable dogs. EVERY dog needs to know “why” — they ALL require motivation and reward. a much more accurate definition imo would be that biddable dogs are generally easier to motivate than non-biddable dogs and are inherently interested in interacting with their handler. so when you ask your spouse, “why?” you may be happy with an answer as simple as, “we’re going on a road trip together,” whereas someone else may require a more luxurious answer in order to get excited. to imply that biddable dogs don’t ask “why” and don’t need to be motivated in training reduces them to programmable things instead of acknowledging their complexities.

that’s not to say that i’m disappointed in this book. i have only started to read it and i’m sure it contains games and exercises that will be very useful for my dog, other dogs that i come across, and me, personally. it’s just frustrating to see people (because jane killion is only a symptom of a greater issue, let’s be real, you’ve heard of how people crate their dogs unless they’re working or withhold resources like food or toys “to increase their drive” or blame their dogs for not learning fast enough, etc.) misunderstand high drive, biddable dogs and consequently misrepresent them, especially in books geared towards beginners!! beginners that may decide to get a biddable dog because it’s portrayed as the easier route when it isn’t! every type and breed and individual comes with their own unique set of challenges that beginners should be honestly prepared for. the popular-breeds-for-trainers-and-competitors propaganda is total bullshit and hurts every individual from the top-down and this rhetoric absolutely contributes to it but that’s a rant for another day

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From Puppy Fitness That Fits The Puppy by Jane Killion

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Little queens

Tiny kat: knock knock!

Jane: who’s there?

Tiny kat: a tree!

Jane: a tree who?

Tiny kat:

Tiny kat:

Jane: you ok love?

Tiny kat: *whispering* I can’t talk, I’m a tree

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Catalina: who loves dinosaurs?!

Tiny Anne: me!!!

Catalina: who loves unicorns?!

Tiny Anne: me!!!

Catalina: who loves Henry?!

Tiny Anne: nobody

Catalina: *pats head* good kid

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Tiny Kat: Anna got in trouble at school today

Jane: oh? Does Anna get in trouble a lot?

Tiny Kat: I don’t know. *pause* I’m really focusing on me right now.

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Tiny Cathy: Lina, what’s one hundred fifty million billion killion gillion million plus a million million zillion killion?

Catalina: I can’t answer that.

Tiny Cathy, quietly: I thought you knew math

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New Life at Foxhaven -- Puppies!

“Dogs are our link to paradise. They don't know evil or jealousy or discontent. To sit with a dog on a hillside on a glorious afternoon is to be back in Eden, where doing nothing was not boring -- it was peace.” ― Milan Kundera

(SIRE -- Reason: CH Wild Wind’s Something to Believe In)

(DAM -- Rose: CH Wild Wind’s Run for the Roses)

In the wee hours of Tuesday, August 11, 2020, Rose’s puppies were born. Three perfect male puppies (three tri-colored puppies) and three perfect female puppies (one tri-colored and two blue merle). Once Rose delivered the first 14-ounce boy, the rest of the whelping was smooth sailing. The boy puppies all weighed close to 14 ounces; the girls, 11-12 ounces. I have observed it is a little like sumo wrestlers and ballerina vying for the spotlight (aka, best nursing spot). I give the girls some time alone with their mother several times a day.

We strive to raise properly socialized, self-confident and healthy puppies. We take time to research pedigrees, health test (genetic, eyes, hips/patella/elbow radiographs) and rely on breed mentors to enrich and inform the process for the best possible match, as well as utilize specialized veterinary care. We take pride in following the Code of Ethics established by the Collie Club of American and participate in All Breed Shows, as well as performance events.

We have chosen to use the protocols laid out in Puppy Culture (Jane Killion). Puppy Culture is a socialization and training program specifically designed for the critical period for puppies 0-12 weeks. The program is well organized sets of lessons, and more. It is a program that teaches you to watch your puppy and by doing so, tease out the best qualities in the precious individual puppy. This is done by presenting lessons and challenges appropriate for that particular puppy. As a professional educator and retired teacher of 30+ years, I resonate strongly with this approach.

“Puppy Culture is based on the premise that the puppy always leads the learning, and puppies learn best by appropriate experiences at the appropriate time. So what we are doing is teaching you to observe the puppy, and, based on the behavioral markers you see, serve the puppy the experience or lesson that is optimal for him at that moment in time.

 By letting the puppy lead, we are:

 •maximizing the benefit of any given protocol or lesson,

•minimizing any danger of over-facing or scaring the puppy

•creating confidence and self-efficacy by presenting the appropriate level of challenge that the puppy CAN do without failing or presenting a danger to himself.”

During this first week, we strove to create a nesting place Rose that was both comfortable and emotionally safe for Rose. Since we are remodeling our house, the ‘master to be’ space proved perfect. With the whelping box in the corner, there will be plenty of room to expand the space to a weaning area, then indoor play area as the puppies grow and mature. They will also have several safe outdoor play areas, that we will use as they get older. Puppies are weighed two times a day the first week to ensure they are doing well, nails trimmed (yes, already little needles!) and their first vet visit for postpartum exam of mom and pups. I slept on a camp cot in the ‘nursery’ this first week to ensure all is well, and to get my full dose of the music of puppy nursing and maximum cuteness.

Beginning at day three, we do a protocol known as Early Neurological Stimulation (ENS). ENS is a process we started doing that introduces mild stresses to very young puppies in a controlled way. These stresses help stimulate the neurological system which improves the growth and development of the pup's immune system, cardiovascular system, and stress tolerance.

HAPPY ONE WEEK BIRTHDAY!

Today, the puppies turned ONE WEEK old.  We will be posting here weekly, and sharing our journey with these precious beings. Their puppy names are based on their markings. The theme of this litter is the John Denver song, “Rocky Mountain High”. The lyrics have rich meaning to us, and the puppies’ registered names will be taken from verses in the song; perhaps, call names, as well. So far, we like the verse ‘grace in every step’ for the girl, Grace, we will be adding to our Foxhaven family. 

 The Girls:

The Boys:

Ten weeks will fly by and I treasure each moment I have with them. It is a bittersweet time, in some ways, but I keep the goal in sight:  blessing a family with a healthy socialized enrichment-seeking puppy; a puppy that will grow up to expand their family’s heart spaces and bring much love and laughter for many years to come.

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I have also seen some really fun little min pins in the "terrier lite" category. They're probably easier to find and observe than a Manchester, too, and you can find black and tan min pins that really genuinely do not look very different.

Also: dachshunds. I almost forgot dachshunds and I'm kicking myself. You might want to look at Dachshunds. Talk to @wyrddogs about Kermit! Let them evangelize to you! You already like scenthounds, and what is a Dachshund but a scent hound that has learned to be a terrier?

I am not sure how available Rat Terriers are in Australia (@farm-paws ?) or I would be enthusiastically seconding them. It's hard to get closer to "intermediate between terriers and scenthound while maintaining biddability" than a good feist. Jack Russells are certainly not terriers lite but they're plenty biddable for sports if you learn how to motivate a terrier; if you haven't read it yet, I heavily recommend When Pigs Fly by Jane Killion. She's writing for Bull Terriers but the advice is extremely applicable for anyone doing sports with terriers (or other less biddable dogs).

Depending on the sports you like or what kind of asshole you prefer, I am having fun with my cattle dog as a long time terrier person. That said she often shifts fairly seamlessly from being interested in working with me to find out what we can do together to being interested in how she can manipulate me to play the games she wants to play, which is pretty much how you have to approach working tightly with a terrier anyway. I actively enjoy a dog who will try to shape me back; it's one of the things I like about working with clever little terriers in the first place.

You could look into Staffordshire Bull Terriers if you don't mind potentially managing dog aggression. Nice sporty little dogs, not too difficult to work with, Not A Gundog Or A Herding Breed. Less raw untapped terrier "fuck you if you aren't immediately interesting" and still plenty athletic. It is also genuinely extremely hard to beat a Border Terrier; I have known quite a few over the years and have been enjoying the exploits of one about Matilda's age in her sport classes for some time. Lovely, lovely little dogs. The most obvious answer, but often overlooked. Possibly the definition of "underrated."

And last, I got a question for Aussies on my feeds: how do bull arabs shake out one on one? If this was a question from an American with these interests and they didn't specifically want something small, I would be also angling to suggest in the direction of curs or maaaaaaybe a Plott. It's my understanding that bull arabs cover most of the hunting niches that curs fill in the US for Aus and are readily available as young rowdy untrained dogs in rescue.

Basically: what exactly do you like about terriers beyond the willingness to flip you off, and how much prey drive do you really want to channel and harness in the pursuit of sports? I think that last one is actually the question you want to ask yourself, because you can channel pretty much any prey drive into sports and toy drive if you want to. Biddability is kind of like a shortcut to linking drives up to what you want, but it's not like you can't take un-human-oriented drives and use them to reward behavior that aligns with your goals.

hey, you're the go to terrier guy, i'm used to asshole (affectionate) scenthounds but i'm looking for something more biddable (but not herder biddable i like snark in my dogs) for sports (non bite, it's banned in my aussie state). so i was wondering if you know any manchesters and how you think they'd go sport wise?

Honestly if you want "terrier but more biddable for sports" I almost always recommend the terrier-lites like rat terriers and border terriers.

I have fairly limited experience with manchesters and have really only seen them in show settings. I have heard from their owners that they are much lore "terrier" than a lot of people expect. I'm not sure what that would mean for sport goals.

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USWNT 2017 SHEBELIEVES CUP CAMP ROSTER

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I'm so ready for the SheBelieves Cup! 🇺🇸 Alentando desde Uruguay! 🇺🇾

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A Comprehensive List of USWNT and their Alma Maters

2015 WWC roster-2017 January Camp and the years they played

Morgan Brian: University of Virginia (2011-2014) Shannon Boxx: University of Notre Dame (1995-1998) Jane Campbell: Stanford University (2013-2016) Lori Chalupny: University of North Carolina (2002-2005) Abby Dahlkemper: University of California, Los Angeles (2011-2014) Tierna Davidson: Stanford University (2016-present) Crystal Dunn: University of North Carolina (2010-2013) Kristen Edmonds: Rutgers University (2005-2008) Whitney Engen: University of North Carolina (2006-2009) Adrianna Franch: Oklahoma State University (2009-2012) Mandy Freeman: University of Southern California (2013-2016) Christina Gibbons: Duke University (2013-2016) Ashlyn Harris: University of North Carolina (2006-2009) Tobin Heath: University of North Carolina (2006-2009) Jaelene Hinkle: Texas Tech University (2011-2014) Lauren Holiday: University of California, Los Angeles (2006-2009) Lindsey Horan: N/A (lol) Julie Johnston: Santa Clara University (2010-2013) Sarah Killion: University of California, Los Angeles (2011-2014) Meghan Klingenberg: University of North Carolina (2007-2010) Ali Krieger: Penn State University (2003-2006) Rose Lavelle: University of Wisconsin (2013-2016) Sydney Leroux: University of California, Los Angeles (2008-2011) Carli Lloyd: Rutgers University (2001-2004) Allie Long: Penn State University (2005-2006), University of North Carolina (2007-2008) Stephanie McCaffrey: Boston College (2011-2014) Savannah McCaskill: University of South Carolina (2014-present) Jessica McDonald: Phoenix College (2006-2007), University of North Carolina (2008-2009) Sam Mewis: University of California, Los Angeles (2011-2014) Alex Morgan: University of California, Berkeley (2007-2010) Casey Murphy: Rutgers University (2014-present) Alyssa Naeher: Penn State University (2007-2010) Kelley O'Hara: Stanford University (2006-2009) Heather O'Reilly: University of North Carolina (2003-2006) Kealia Ohai: University of North Carolina (2010-2013) Brianna Pinto: Verbally committed to University of North Carolina (2018-??) Christen Press: Stanford University (2007-2010) Mallory Pugh: University of California, Los Angeles (2017- ???) Megan Rapinoe: University of Portland (2005-2008) Christie Rampone: Monmouth University (1993-1996) Amy Rodriguez: University of Southern California (2005-2008) Becky Sauerbrunn: University of Virginia (2003-2007) Casey Short: Florida State University (2008-2012) Taylor Smith: University of California, Los Angeles (2012-2015) Hope Solo 😰: University of Washington (1999-2002) Andi Sullivan: Stanford University (2014-present) Emily Sonnett: University of Virginia (2012-2015) Abby Wambach: University of Florida (1998-2001) Lynn Williams: Pepperdine University (2011-2014)

*Only included players who have received 2+ caps in the span or were called up to current January Camp

Nicknames | Ship Names | College Cup Appearances

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These are both fabulous, and McConnell is actually the person I put on my application for the dog training gig as my strongest influence. (I was also profoundly shaped by the writing of Brian and Sarah Kilcommons, which was being published at about the same time.) McConnell is also one of the people I'm eyeing with appreciation and consideration over my academic career; she describes herself as an ethologist by training (most closely related to behavioral ecology) and as someone who mostly does applied animal behavior work in her career.

Mark Derr has been another profound influence on the way I think about dogs, particularly through his book Dog's Best Friend on working dogs, and he's another one who thinks deeply in behavioral terms about dogs in their natural context.

My favorite breed manual is still Daniel Tortora's Right Dog For You, which handles behavioral characterization of dog breeds incredibly thoughtfully. It's 40 years old and showing its age, though; sometimes I think about pitching an update. You can find a lot more about it in my #tortora tag.

You might or might not guess from that list that I like a bright, independent dog of exactly the sort that is often labeled "difficult" to train; I imprinted on Jack Russell Terriers at an unfortunate early age. For my money, the best book for working with dogs like that is When Pigs Fly, Jane Killion. Killion's dogs of choice are not the Border Collies, Belgians, and GSDs you'll see most often kept by professional trainers or the retrievers that are popular for practical jobs; Killion keeps Bull Terriers and does some pretty high level stuff with them. Phenomenal book for motivating and working with absolutely any dog, but especially those from less "biddable" backgrounds.

I'll keep thinking to see if anyone else crops up. I spent almost a decade without the ability to read for pleasure because of other things going on, so many of my favorite books are a decade old. I'll go through my libraries about it in a minute.

Hi! I've just stumbled onto the dogblr side of Tumblr and it seems fascinating. Could you recommend any fundamental reading/watching material for people who want to start learning about dog training/behaviour/cognition? It would also be cool to hear about how you, personally, got into it if you're okay sharing- it seems like a niche field and I'm curious about what the journey might look like for different people. Thanks! ^.^

Oh, sure! Bear in mind that my particular path is, um, actually much weirder than most folks': the dog training with clients is a very new (and very part time) development in my professional life. In my full time job, I'm a postdoctoral associate in neuroscience working on, er, motivation and decision-making in the context of animal behavior. And even for that, my career path has been bizarre: I started out in population genetics, did the PhD in behavioral ecology with a side of metabolic neuroendocrinology, and have now wound up in a NIH-oriented lab focusing on topics related to sex differences, neurodivergence and addiction.

It just occured to me that the dog training thing puts me squarely on the grounds of applied animal behavior research, which means that I've done it! I've poked into all the disciplines that can be described as Animal Behaviour and collected all the achievements! I really gotta reinvest in the Animal Behavior meeting, huh. Oh, wait, no: I'm forgetting behavior genetics, which is an area of strong interest I've poked around the edges of but never myself published in.

See, animal behavior as a formal study contains at least four different disciplines of study that really only loosely interact with one another. Behavioral ecology often appears in concert within ecology and evolution, and it focuses on the study of animals within their own natural context according to their own concerns and experiences. Neuroscience is typically thinking in terms of understanding the mechanism of the human brain, and behaviorism is similarly trained on the universal mechanisms of learning and behavior. Applied animal behavior involves studying how to most effectively, safely, and ethically manage animals in human care, including both domestic animals and captive wild ones; it also covers finding out how to teach animals to do complex but useful behaviors, like training working animals. Neuroendocrinology involves studying how hormones effect changes in the brain and body: metabolic hormones, stress hormones, sex hormones, the works. Behavior genetics (and epigenetics) include studying the effects of genetic variation on behavior itself.

It's certainly not uncommon for people to jump fields once or twice, or to straddle an intersection of approaches over their careers. It's.... less usual to bounce around one's career to quite this extent, which I attribute to the fact that a) I have quite a bit of fairly obvious ADHD, b) I've never worked for anyone who hasn't had their own case bedeviling our focus, and c) I graduated directly into COVID, which meant that I had to figure out a solution on the fly when all the positions I had intended to cultivate dried up overnight.

Not that I'm bitter.

As for how I got into the dog training gig, essentially I like dog training, I really like this outfit, and I have some credit card debt I would really like to pay down. I wanted to meet and talk to more dog folks in the area and I also really missed teaching—I taught every spring and fall through my 8yr PhD, I'm good at it, and I really enjoy it. Since I've respected (almost) every instructor I've had through this outfit, and the one exception involved being listened to immediately about my concerns and increased supervision in response, and I knew that one of my instructors worked part time with them, I figured it might be a neat side gig. So far, that's been bourne out.

I also do have some longer term plans to do some behavioral genetics and neuroscience work on dogs, and I would like to incorporate some noninvasive experiments that use dogs from the general public. My facility also has a robust doggy daycare program and it'd be rad to work with them to build opportunities for everyone in a few years. I'm hoping to leverage a permanent tenure track job at my institution over it, but I might go in several directions from here. Predicting the direction of my career has been a losing proposition so far, so let's see what seems good at the time and stick around as long as I'm having fun.

As for how I got into dogs and dog behavior specifically? In addition to the ADHD, I'm autistic enough to have been diagnosed as a tween girl in the 00s, and my special interests never quite leave —they just flare up and simmer down in long periods over my life. Dogs are the first and earliest of these; my parents told me that they'd seen me gravitating towards the family Lhasa from pretty much the moment I could roll over on my belly. That seems about right. Dogs have been my gateway to huge corridors of my intellectual world, and dog training specifically have been a hobby for some time. In addition to my training gig, I'm experimenting with functional service tasks to support me as burnout and neurodivergence have limited my capacity.

Books and reading recs I'll try to get to later, mm falling asleep right now.

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Notwithstanding all of this talk about teaching a toy-drop, the most important rule that you must follow when playing tug games is to let your dog win often, and let him get a lot of enjoyment out of winning. I make a big show out of allowing the dog to wrest the toy from my hands, and then applaud and cheer as he leaps about, brandishing his prize. Much of the time I give my dog the cue to release the toy, but very often I make sure that my dog “wins.” Don’t worry about controlling the game by winding up with the toy, because you always have the ultimate control. If you won’t play anymore, there is no game. A dog alone with a tug toy is like one hand clapping. Not much fun, at all.

When Pigs Fly, Jane Killion

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The other two books arrived if anyone is interested. They were: When Pigs Fly by Jane Killion and Mission Control by Jane Ardern.

No photo atm because it’s a music in the dark sort of evening. I will post thoughts when I’m finished reading, for the people who’ve asked.

OOPSIE.

That’s only 3 out of 5 I’ve ordered 😅

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I’ve been doing lots of reading as I’m planning on getting a pup in the next 12 to 18 months. The breeder I’m going to be getting my pup from has recommended Ian Dunbar’s books (among others, including Sue Ailsby - Training Levels and Jane Killion - Puppy Culture) I wanted to make everyone aware that Dr. Dunbar’s books are available for free download from the Dog Star Daily website. He also did a Ted Talk back in 2007 which is excellent and everyone should take the 15 minutes to watch it. He talks about how “dominance training” is abuse in disguise and explains very simply the excellent Premack Principal amongst other things to do with the ease of positive training.

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I just added this listing on Poshmark: Jane Killion's Puppy Culture clicker training KIT.

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What's puppy culture? I've never gotten a puppy from a breeder so I have no idea about anything pertaining to anything they do 😅

Good question! Puppy culture is a protocol developed by an english bull terrier breeder named Jane Killion that focuses around early neurological stimulation, enrichment, and socialization in a way that sets puppies up to be super stable and confident. It sets up positive associations with novel objects and sounds so that puppies are less likely to be startled or fearful later in life. Here’s more info on what all is involved! I’m still learning and going through the material myself. :P