#jack & dean parallels

[strawlessandbraless]

Tell you what... the truth is... sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it

Brokebacknatural Parallels

Part 1 // Part 2 // Part 3

[ardentpoop]

he said "can't argue with that one"

[winchestergifs]

I couldn’t let our world get destroyed. Sam’s still down there, okay? He deserves a good, long life. Hell, they all do.

[nobodymitskigabriel]

Thinking about how Dean idolized John, imitated him at every turn, made himself malleable to become whatever soldier or weapon he needed, but was ultimately convinced that he'd never live up to the man John was or expected him to be.

Thinking about how Jack idolized Dean, imitated him at every turn, made himself malleable to become whatever soldier or weapon he needed, but was ultimately convinced that he'd never live up to the man Dean was or expected him to be.

[angelsdean]

dean choosing self-sacrifice and turning himself into a bomb to save the people he cares about and the world from a cosmic being 🤝 jack choosing self-sacrifice and turning himself into a bomb to save the people he cares about and the world from an a cosmic being

they are the same. they have the same internal philosophies re: saving people and sacrifice. they understand each other completely. dean doesn't like jack's choice but he understands and respects it because it's exactly what he would've done.

[soullessjack]

I think another funny aspect of putting spn/gravity falls together is that the Pines family is from a blatantly sci-fi genre setting, tormented by an extra-dimensional entity and living in a town created/affected by a UFO crash.. whereas the Winchesters are just straight up targeted by the actual biblical Christian God. no theories, no other dimensions, nothing.

instead of other dimensions, they coexist with other versions of their own world that got scrapped for low entertainment value because their actual biblical Christian God is a megalomaniacal paperback author who writes meta fan fiction about his own OC’s instead of raising his children—one of which betrayed him, became an honorary Winchester, and took custody of his brother The Actual Biblical Devil’s son, who is also an honorary Winchester now,

and also the majority of them are functionally immortal or at the very least cannot stay dead after dying because multiple personifications of The Powers That Be need them to do grunt work for cosmic political battle. which the Pines do not have unfortunately.

I’m losing it but we understand the point I’m making right. Like they are from such fundamentally opposite worlds it’s so funny to put them together

[monsterfuckermilligan]

so many of y’all do not know jack!!!!!!!!!

[silver-stake-through-the-heart]

spn 1x05 // spn 15x15

[arcanespillo]

Regarding Dean, SPN S12E11

The Rising Son, SPN S13E02

[idjits-areus]

No one asked, but have some of my favorite Destiel quotes/moments from 13x06 Tombstone plus one of my favorite Castiel quotes:

Cas: "I was. But then I annoyed an ancient cosmic being so much that he sent me back"

Cas: "How long was I gone?" Dean: "To damn long"

When Jack first brings up Dodge City at the beginning of the episode. Dean's face lights up and Cas's face just has a look of an affectionate 'here we go again." All while Jack just looks at the two of them confused.

Jack: "He really loves cowboys." Cas sighing exasperateingly: "Yes, yes he does"

Cas leaning towards Jack: "I told you. He's an angry sleeper. Like a bear"

Dean to a cowboy hat wearing Cas: "Just act like you're from tombstone."

Cas: "The city?"

Dean slightly disappointed: "The movie with Kurt Russell, I made you watch it."

Cas: "Yeah, yeah. The one with, ah, guns and tuberculosis. *Deeper Cas voice* I'm your huckleberry."

Dean swallows and looks away: "Yeah. Exactly."

The whole 'Cas acting like Val Kilmer.'

Side note: I've seen Tombstone the movie. Doc Holliday and Wyatt Earp are gay and you can't tell me otherwise. The scene where Holliday is about to die in the hospital and he's telling Earp, "Wyatt, if you were ever my friend - if ya ever had even the slightest of feelin' for me, leave now." Like, sure. You're 'just friends.' He totally doesn't spend the last half of the movie on a revenge quest because he died. Totally not.

[thedeadedhooman]

supernatural really pulled a titanic in the finale

[strawlessandbraless]

Brokebacknatural Parallels 🤠 💙 💚

Part 1 // Part 2 // Part 3

[ananke-xiii]

Rowena and the thick, bloody umbilical cord between choices and faults.

In a previous post of mine I’ve explored a little bit how Mary and Kelly represent a sort of “missed opportunity” for, respectively, Sam and Jack.

At the beginning of s13 Sam resents the fact that he hasn’t been proactive in seeking to create a relationship with his mother and now that she’s (presumably) gone he doesn’t want to deal with that reality. He had wasted his second chance. Jack, on the other hand, never even had a first opportunity to begin with but, unlike Sam, has experienced a sense of unity with his mother so extreme that one of the first things that he tells Sam is that he was his mother(!!!).

S13 reinforces the Mother-Son symbolism because, after Jack’s birth, a rift is opened in space (apparently not in time?): Kelly stays (dead, rip girl I love you) on one side of it while Mary crosses it and finds herself in Apocalypse World. To make things even more clear, this is no random parallel universe: this is the alternate reality where Mary didn’t deal with Azazel. So mothers and their choices/faults are a central theme in this season. Or, well, more or less.

To complete the mothers’ trimurti or, better, tridevi we’re missing the final mother, the destroyer who is, of course, Rowena. It’s therefore quite apt that Rowena reaches her highest potential this season and even confronts Death. What motivates her in an interesting blend of (missing)love and (lacking)power. Lucifer is as part of her story as Kelly’s and Mary’s. Unlike these two, though, she doesn’t have a son who resurrects her, nor a turned-benefactor cosmic being who offers her resurrection as a gift to her son. Rowena has to resurrect herself. Not once but twice. She is, perhaps, the loneliest character in the whole series.

This is actually quite ironic because, if we look back on previous seasons, her “choice” to kill Oskar, her putative son, was what triggered the whole chain of events (the freeing of Amara first and Lucifer second) that directly link Rowena with Mary and Kelly.

It’s only natural, then, that s13 Rowena keeps representing the reversal of the Mary and Sam/ Kelly and Jack relationships because there is no son who’s looking for her, rather she is the mother who’s looking for her (dead) child. Like Sam, she also needs someone who can access another dimension to bring Crowley back but, unlike him, she’s not successful. Now, ngl, this pisses me off to no end, like of course I can understand the real reasons why Crowley couldn’t be brought back, still I kinda hate how it was narratively framed.

When, in "Funeralia", Rowena says that life is unfair she is right but not in the general, pessimistic sense of the phrase: she's right because in-universe some deaths are more important than others and people get back on board depending on whether or not they're still a role to play for them. Rowena's faith in magic is actually justified because magic is the only thing that can help her. And the tragic thing is that it's also what damns her in the process because it's the only form of power she can have access to. There are no angels or cosmic entities looking out for her. She's just... alone.

So, perhaps, it's not that I necessarily hate how her failure to bring Crowley back is described, I just see it as further proof that Rowena is the best example to show how in Supernatural the game is rigged from the beginning and we didn’t even need an interfering and pervy God to realize it. That's all we've been seeing it since S1. All those infinite, booooring talks about being good/evil or doing good/bad actually mean nothing because, at the end of the day, in this show what really matters is how useful you can be, to whom and why (and this is way less booooring, you learn a lot of interesting things about these characters if you go down this road, it's grim but it's more rewarding).

S13 is also when the final connection between Rowena and the Winchesters, Sam to be more precise, is established which is indicative of the fact that she will inevitably die. Before S13 her story was her own, after “Funeralia” it cannot be extricated from Sam’s. To some degree, it’s quite similar to what happened with Crowley and Dean. What’s more, just like Crowley’s powers and shrewdness are what really carry the plot from s6 to s12, magic and spells (and therefore Rowena’s role in the story) will be the key for many plot points from s13 to s15. But there is a big difference.

Both Crowley and Rowena’s sacrifices are described as heroic but, let’s be honest, only Rowena’s was. Crowley’s demise was a clean-up after his own mess at best. It also proved to be unnecessary. Rowena and that awful MBOL’s egg thingy would have managed to confine Lucifer, like, they actually did it. It was Crowley who perverted the spell for reasons that I personally find OOC. I would’ve liked the Crowley vs Lucifer power struggle but not the way it was done in s12 because it felt very nonsensical to me. As in: I can see you need a reason to keep Lucifer around and this is what you’ve come up with but it’s still quite illogical.

At its hidden and secret core S13 is the season of the “let’s reframe the sons’ stories and blame it on the mothers”. Just like Kelly is blamed for Castiel’s ideal vision of Jack and Mary’s "choice" is established as the most important point in the whole show, Rowena-as-Mother must face the same fate: it was her fault if Crowley, Fergus!, ended the way he ended. It’s a naaaaaaaaaaaaaah for me.

This is what we’re told in “Funeralia”:

Rowena: Oh, but it is. Death has something I want. Sam: What’s that? Rowena: My son. After you told me he was gone, how he died, I had an unexpected reaction. We had our differences, but it’s my fault he went down the path he did. I left him. Dean: We’re talking about Crowley-- demon, King of Hell? Rowena: We’re talking about Fergus-- a man abandoned and loveless, tricked by a demon, died in a gutter. He deserved better from the world. From me.

Now, just to be clear: yes, Rowena had the responsibility to do better; yes, she was the absolute worst; yes, she played no small role in her son’s story. However, I personally don’t like all these negative associations between “worlds” and “mothers” as if every fucking thing in the universe is dependent solely on them. How did we end up here? It’s almost as if absent fathers are, like, not THAT bad after all (and the show, as far as I'm concerned, ultimately approves of and absolves absent fathers). So I’m very suspicious of the way motherhood is portrayed specifically in s13 and Rowena’s attempt at redemption well demonstrates that there is reason to be so.

This dialogue in “Funeralia” confirms my gut feeling:

Sam: You know, what happened with Crowley? That wasn’t your fault. Rowena: He never had a chance. Dean: He made his choices, just like we all do. Look, every one of us has done something that we have to live with, that were trying to make up for. Every one of us. Sam: Even without all that extra juice, you’re still the deadliest witch around [Sam's flattering Rowena. He's gonna ask for her help in 3,2,1...]. Rowena: Flatterer. Sam: Yeah, well, we, um... we may need your help [Here we go!]. To save our family. To… hell, to save the world. Dean: You wanna be redeemed? This would be a pretty big step. Rowena: And do you think I still can be? Dean: Yeah, I do.

I mean, not to be rude, but who the fuck cares if Dean Winchester thinks that Rowena can be redeemed? Like, how is Rowena’s redemption (which is strictly connected to her being a bad mother and not, among other things, a zero-regret murderer, which she also happens to be, for instance) connected to saving the Winchester’s family? Don’t get me wrong, I understand that this is SPN and that Sam and Dean’s problems are Apocalypse-level problems (lol, they really did that, when I say that their story is like a cosmogony maybe I’m not that wrong) but, as I’ve said, I cannot help but notice the similarities between Rowena’s arc this season with Mary’s and Jack’s, i.e. you can be redeemed if you either do something useful for the Winchesters or... realize that it's not your "fault" that your sons suffered terribily because "choosing" to deal with Azazel was actually the right choice... for the world. How come fathers saving the world are framed as heroic while mothers actively creating worlds by making hard choices that benefit the greater good need redemption?

So to sum up: while fathers invade S13’s main storyline as solvers, restorers and fixers, mothers are the bones of the story, they carry its weight and its sins but get little if nothing in return: Kelly stays dead, Mary ends up helping out a world that absolves her of her Original Sin but that’s nevertheless a mess (you can never win lol) and Rowena can’t get her son back (but she can save Sam and Dean's family the world!). Looks good, right? Hurray mommy!

[scottstiles]

rememeber when sam is in a coma and bobby appears as the part of him that wants to move on and basically makes dean (sam’s will to live) disappear so he can walk through the forest with sam and convince him its time to die....

AND NOW THIS

SUSPICIOUS DIALOGUE!!!!!!

I JUST THINK THAT!!!! SOMETHING!!!

[winterstarfall]

i am feeling Violent about dean’s treatment of jack

[impossiblyfreshdonut]

so sorry to be posting destiel on the destiel website but it needs to be said:

dean switched up his opinions on jack SO fast once cas was back he really hated that boy just because he got cas killed