#its not even a grief he cant imagine. because its a grief he *has* imagined
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I think, especially now, viewing the sympathy pangs and empathic anguish forever felt at watching jaiden see bobby again, it re-affirms something I thought about forever earlier suspicion of her
And that's that his mistrust and caution surrounding her says much more about what he thinks about himself than it ever did about what he thinks about her.
#qsmp#qsmp jaiden#qsmp forever#hes just watching her suffer his worst fears.#its not even a grief he cant imagine. because its a grief he *has* imagined#and he's wary of her because he's wary of himself#its a projection#his mistrust doesnt come from callusness or a like of respect for what shes gone through#on the contrary: it is a result of his empathy#something that exist alongside the sorrow he feels for her
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I recently decided to add an Asgore to my AU because I think he's a really interesting and deep character that kiiiind'a gets clowned on a lot.. <XD I wanted to do him justice by bringing out what I like most about his character and overall vibe :}}
This was originally going to be in a post with like 6 other drawings. But I was so proud of how it came out that I wanted to post it by itself. :}}}}
His temporary lore/backstory is after the keep reading! :D
Asgore's story is a bit vague.. but I'm thinking he's in a similar situation to River Person and Grillby. He cant go back to his AU and is full of grief about it..
I know his AU wont be like classic Undertale. Maybe in his AU they were sent underground much later? Or not at all? Chara and Asriel could be older.. who knows. But I'm thinking that at some point.. while being married to Toriel and having both Chara and Asriel, he had to go to war.
He told his wife and kids that he loved them very much. He said goodbye to them and went to war.. In which he was later killed.. Somehow Jevil and his gang passing through, ripped his soul out of his AU and into the multiverse. In doing this his crown was left behind and he was prevented from fully turning into dust somehow..
If he were to return to his AU, he would just continue turning into dust and die. So he cannot return.
Now unlike Grillby or River Person, Asgore is able to cope with this situation a bit better than them.
He was able to say goodbye to his family before he died. And the last thing he said to them was that he loved them. He died protecting his people, and his sacrifice in battle is ultimately what led to their victory. His family will be full of grief, but they have his crown to remember him by. And Toriel is a very strong woman. He has no doubt that she has enough love in her soul for the both of them. And will raise their kids into strong and mature individuals without his help.
He is still grieving the fact that he will never see his family again, of course. But knowing that his family is still alive and will continue to thrive and live despite his absence.. its comforting really.
Asgore is now permamntly in a state of dusting, but not really..? He is made of dust but he is still very powerful. It doesn't seem like him dusting has effected his magic too much.. he's not really sure <XD
Since he no longer has his crown, he has blatantly just said "I am no king, not anymore." He now kind'a acts as the groups body guard. Also unlike Grillby, he is thankful that Jevil saved him. If Jevil hadn't accidentally interfered, Asgore would have just died anyway and never knew if his family was safe or if they had won the battle or not.
I have other ideas of Asgore being this really tender character, and devoting himself to protecting his "new family". I imagined him helping Grillby move on and cope with his grief.. and if he can still heal monsters/darkners.. I imagine him healing Seam and Spamton to ease them of their pain.. Even if its only temporarily relief. I like to think that he is this rock that the others can lean on.
All in all, this Asgore is a pretty neat dude. He's their friend now, they're having soft tacos later! :}
#undertale#deltarune#asgore#goner kid#I remember dreading drawing Asgore because he was so difficult to draw#now BAM look at me a few months later#no practice before hand and I'm so proud of it I gave it its own post#les GOOOOO positivity#Improvement breathing living thriving gorlāØ
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Sevikaās grief is soooo compelling shut UP
The way she stomps in looking angry, and then she looks for him in the chair, shakes her head and drinks
Now shes looking at the ground sad and tired, shoulders sagged as she grabs her tools and throws them on the desk. Her eyes are low, she doesnt want to look at the chair, which also kinda pisses her off. She needs to focus on something else. Its a bad look how Smeech poked at her damaged prosthetic to make her look weak.
But shes been drinking. A lot. And sheās frazzled, she cant even notch the screwdriver right, and its the one thing that pushes her over.
Her snarl is an agitated one. Her voice is choked up when she speaks to the chair but her head is bowed, she again finds it hard to look at. Sheās about as vulnerable as sheāll ever allow herself to be, when Jinx announces herself (likely to protect sevikas pride or something like it, not hard to imagine sevika doesnt want anyone seeing her cry)
Sevika knows. Its clear on her face that she knows its Jinx that killed him, and sheās angry. The kidās back is turned, and Sevika had warned himā
But for once, Jinx isnt looking for a fight. Sheās feeling vulnerable too. Sheās showing Sevika her back on purpose. Loyalty, she hears in her mind. In his voice. And really, it must suck for a kid to keep finding family and killing them off. Sheās compared the two of them to herself and her father once. Heās probably gone, too.
Sevika takes the olive branch Jinx offers, but they dont face each other. She gives jinx her back as well.
Its quiet. Sevika gets to the root of it. Heās gone, and her world, their world is completely uprooted. (Something something about both jinx and sevika dont use the word ādiedā. āVander shoved offā ā[silco] dips outā it feels like a respect thing idk)
The fucking. Emotion on her face after she says it. Grief hidden in rage, the way she trembles and throws the chair with her whole body. (Jinx doesnt flinch, she feels she understands.) Jinx had allowed herself to cry, Sevika will not (but jinx has screamed too. Into the water).
Her anger fizzles out again, her shoulders sag and she just looks defeated. She confesses, because she knows jinx feels the same: she feels lost.
She turns around, but sheās still so open that she flinches at her own arm waving in her face. She looks lighter, in spite of it.
#im obsessed#Sevika is everything ok sheās so beautiful this season#She gets to be silly :))#god i wish women were real and also wanted me#sevika#sevika arcane#arcane season 2#arcane spoilers#arcane#bumblysdumbly
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i love that red queen puts family as the chief unit of love even above true romantic love like that for some reason is SO overrated in ya media. i dont think of the characters within friendship or romantic groups first, i unconsciously catergorise them into their family.
cal loves mare but cal will put maven first always and he loves his dad and his image so much heās willing to sacrifice his character and relationship with her to fulfil the expectations set by his family and its not until realising what his MOTHER wanted for him that he lets go. and mare loves cal but she will always put her siblings and parents first which is why everything started with gisa and shadeās loss and it ended with her sister and the loss of her brother too. maven loves mare but he loves elara more even if she twisted him and elara loves maven more than the entire kingdom and thats why she twisted him. and elara couldnāt enact her plan to make maven king without getting rid of his love for cal first!! when shade gets killed mare HAS to kill elara because that is the only way she can make sure her pain is even with at least one person.
cameron does everything for her brotherās safety, she was willing to abandon her morals and dehumanise anyone standing in her way if thats what needed to happen. and after morrey was safe she quitā nothing was worth losing herself over except him. farley and shadeās love was so pure that it brought life and family to the farleys who were already broken with the grief of being halved. their love brought a daughter named after the death of the woman that destroyed the family, and it was so healing.
and that is what KILLS me about the samos family!!! that compared to all this unconditional loyaltyā the samos family is a continuous act of playing at love and loyalty, when in reality volos and larentia could not care less about their children because they dont know how to. silver society never showcases this love and so then you have so many parents fucking up their kid in so many ways but doing it out of love because thats how they see itā all except volo and larentia.
so the samos family is an exception. i cant think of evangeline without thinking of elane and ptolemus and i cant think of ptolemus without thinking of evangeline and wren. thats their family. and at least evangeline and ptolemus experienced real love with each other, even if they were never taught it (evangelineās fear over shadeās death was proof that she could imagine a world without him and it was one of the few times she was genuinely scared in the series).
#even the cygnets- for as minor as they were- showed themselves as a unit. iris mourning her father and raging at his loss.her being homesick#mare is one of the few ya protags to have both parents be living in the series and im so grateful for it#family as an explored concept and theme is such a weak spot for me and i genuinely believe thats why i-#-hyperfixated so much on the series#red queen#red queen series#war storm#glass sword#kings cage#maven calore#mare barrow#elane haven#ptolemus samos#evangeline samos#cameron cole#morrey cole#diana farley#clara farley#clara farley-barrow#shade barrow#willis farley#gisa barrow#elara merandus#tiberias calore vii#cal calore#tiberias calore vi#coriane jacos#larentia viper#volo samos#rewriting
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Headcanon: Chilchuck and his Bad Takes on Literature
i think chilchuck would be like my mom in the sense that he wouldnt like sad stories. dont get me wrong, cautionary tales? absolutely fine. they serve a purpose to him which is to tell people "dont be an idiot and do this or else something bad will happen"
generally sad or angsty stories though? no point to him, and in his perspective its really confusing how people just read things that make them sad. like whats the use of reading something if its just gonna make you sad. whats the lesson? its not even real so it doesnt help anyone.
whats the point in making yourself cry when you could just avoid that entirely by not reading it at all?
but the one of the biggest reasons why sad stories exist is to let you release all the built up grief in you. to send you something to let out all your emotions in a healthy way. catharsis. empathy.
even when i dont relate to the tragic experiences in some stories, several ones ive read have lead me to realize that im in a bad situation or that im following in the footsteps of the character suffering. its like a wake up call.
and making yourself cry isnt inherently a bad thing. if crying allows you to let go of building pressure and tension in you then thats good!
but chil wouldnt see that. of course he wouldnt, hes avoidant of most situations that would allow him to release emotion, and fearful of letting his mature (read: repressed) persona slip.
hes someone that runs away to quick comforts and distractions at the earliest sign of issue. hes already been in too many horrifying situations, dealing with another is a pain. and he knows denying everything and refusing to look at the situation doesnt help, but it definitely provides a quick and easy happiness in the comfort of ignorance.
because of this, reading something made to make one empathize with and confront these bad emotions is defeating the point of his cowering. if he faces his issues, even if only through the perspective of a story, he'd have to deal with acknowledging that things are bad and need fixing, and he'd feel terrible and guilty in the moment - which of course is the worst thing that could happen to a person (his thought, not mine).
which is why i find the concept of him being/becoming a tragedy himself at the same time as this headcanon soooo interesting. imagine the irony of him bashing on the protagonists of tragic stories for acting on emotion and impulse rather than logic, when he himself has fallen victim to irrational thinking while in grief.
cause... thats what people do when they grieve. they lash out, make bad decisions, ruin themselves, ruin others.
for a tragedy to be prevented, the protagonists would have to change fundamental parts of themselves, and act perfectly rational when under extreme stress. and chilchuck holds himself to these kinds of unrealistic standards because he unwittingly believes he can handle it all.
he cant, obviously. we see it for ourselves in his relationship with his wife. they were doomed from the beginning by chils already-established avoidance and lack of emotional vulnerabiltiy (and whatever else his wife had going on).
this is all just to say that if you told him about orpheus and eurydice, he'd probably be one of those idiots trying to point out the "plot hole" that he couldve "just not looked back" and "just trusted her"
i dont understand. whats the point in reading tragedies? the protagonist is stupid, anyways. why would you take bitter medicine? why subject yourself to that?
i think its just a bad story.
#EDIT : SORRY THAT THERES NO PICTURES BY THE WAY I COULDNT BE BOTHERED TO LOOK FOR APPROPRIATE ONES IM SORRY!!!#hi. i wrote meta on accident#THIS WAS MEANT TO BE PART OF A JOKE BUT THEN I JUST KEPT GOING AND GOING AND I FORGOT TO MAKE THE JOKE PART OF IT SO NOW ITS 100% SERIOUS#to be fair i was always serious but i intended for it to be presented as a joke#this took me like 3 hours to write god help me#i did this instead of doing my homework. im toast#anyways. hi yes. chilchuck is a hypocrite#feel free to discuss about this cause i find it really interesting. theres layers to this mans hypocrisy HHSDHASHDDH#my fascination with chils avoidance like ive talked about above is the main motivation for tragedy au actually#imagine a world where he gets what he wants. he can change the narrative change himself and prevent anything that could possibly go wrong#and dream up a fantasy world where he can let go of all responsibility and his avoidant behavior has no consequences#id talk more about it but also im really sleepy and should be working so ill leave you with this for now#im... i gotta tag this man i worked too hard on it#chilchuck#chilchuck tims#dungeon meshi#yeagh. yeah!
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guys lol would you still love me if i posted about why i wish pal from tmvtm got a redemption arc >.< if not Do not click that read more.
oh yes. also. sidenote. ive probably gotten something wrong (or worse yet: TERRIBLY wrong) so like. apologies in advance eahhaha this is just my personal thoughts on pal x(
its established that pal and mark are both extremely close with each other and have been for 3 years. im assuming pal wouldnt have had any other relationships as close (if any at all which i think no, she didnt) so mark really was her only footnote for any form of relationship. so, you know, i cant imagine how itd feel for your only best friend to make a mockery out of you on stage for advertisement and monetary gain.
also based on her body (face?) language during nearly all of that scene + the fact he built the replacement by using HER, she was clearly in the know about how things would go down on stage beforehand so i wonder what her reaction to that wouldve been like ?????? considering she planned it all in advance maybe that was like, the tipping point or something that made her start it all in the first place ? thats not important to my point i just think about it a lot
anyway so with her only experience with human relationships being theyll love you and then theyll (quite literally) throw you away, youve got her reason for the human uprising! she has the robots capture all humans yadda yadda and her plan is set into motion. something i find interesting though is her treatment of the robots being kind of similar to how mark treated her (or at least how she percieved it)?? like. uses them for orders and then once they start being useless to her, build a new better robot with a disregard for how the old ones feel. idk. something something La Cycle
the thing is though no one has proven pal wrong on why she SHOULDNT do the whole 'human uprising'. you can say katie gave her reasons but i think it wouldnt have worked even if pal listened to what katie had to say. for pal to get over her existing grief and trauma she cant just be Told that theres good in the world. why would she believe that, especially coming from the girl of the family she projects her experiences onto?? she needs to be shown!! she needs to learn firsthand that theres good relationships out there and that not all relationships are bad, NOT SECONDHAND!!!!!!!!!! because to pal, katies words are just a rephrased version of marks "power of love". that no matter what, "they can get through anything...... with the power of love. its worth it....... for love." and that means nothing to her! it meant nothing coming from mark and it certainly wont mean any more coming from katie
and she already believes that the mitchells are a great example of how relationships are just oh so bad. she refuses to let go of the idea that the mitchells are so bad because shes projecting!! she thinks relationships are 'pesky and only hold you back', and so katie is probably the last person on earth that pal would want to listen to yap about their familial relationship and how Worth It it is
she asks "what is it about the mitchells that eludes me?" and outside of the literal meaning, its probably how despite their shortcomings its their relationship that helped them overcome pal in the end. and she cant understand that because of her view on relationships - especially her view on the MITCHELL FAMILY relationship. or maybe im just overthinking that line of dialogue but we dont talk about taht LOLLLLLLL,LLLLLL,,, but like why did you phrase it like that girl. im onto you
and while i wish she was redeemed (because im sure despite the effort it would take she *could* be redeemed, she would just need to learn to love again and i think it would be really interesting to see how she would be After The Betrayal) i also can understand why the movie killed her off. like, no one except mark really knows the Full Extent of what happened, and the mitchells are the main characters and pal would probably rather dip herself in water than make meaningful relationships with the mitchells, and no ones going to stop to ask her whats wrong and have a meaningful conversation when shes trying to kill them, among many many other reasons so theres not a lot of great ways to redeem her. but! like! why did they turn her death into a joke. and then take katies fake death 10 times more seriously! idk. that always kind of bothered me but its whatever
thats all. hope its coherent because ive never been good at writing analysises or whatever this counts as
#literally nobody who follows me cares about this but like idk maybe you like to read#i dont even really like this movie that much but fuck it we ball#i might delete this post later. if i get embarrassed. i dunno#the mitchells vs the machines#pal tmvtm#cute girl shit
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Hiya:p
Can you do a masky/tim from marble hornets with like d*ad!reader? Like she died before or during mh (you can pick if she was involved during mh or no)
Pleases and thankyous:3
-š anon
Tim x deceased!reader !
points rare marble hornets request/specification for characters that were originally MH but were sucked into the grubby mitts of the creepypasta fandom (/lh admin loves both versions of the characters) OOOOOOOOO okay so im still on my rewatch of MH, i think im like halfway through the series? i forgot what exact # entry im on but i know its after the hotel thing/when jay is done watching the tapes from before his memory getting all fucked and to finding tim again; the last time i watched MH in its entirety was YEEEEARS ago so my memory is a little murky... along with that this post is less of a proper list of headcannons and more so the admin bouncing around because they cant find an idea to commit to </3 secondary warning that admin has not seen marble hornets in a hot minute and has not finished their rewatch (and likely might need to restart their rewatch </3)
god theres so many ways i can go about this. you passing away before the event of MH, you passing away somewhere along the way... i do know im going to utilize the memory gap stuff... because can you imagine?
youre already gone, but the memory of your passing is wiped away along with some other stuff tim has lost. like can you imagine how fucked up that is?
initially thinks that you just skipped town and cut everyone off, assuming he truly forgets, tries to reach out to you but of course he comes up with nothing
this is of course assuming you dont have any family members or friends that are going to remind him
oh when he does find out hes just absolutely crushed. it doesnt matter how you died; something outside everything, or a death caused by the things going on in the series... fucked stuff either way
i do think, post series, because iirc he does leave he probably makes a little memorial thing wherever he ends up settling; cant really blame him for wanting to go back, and thats even assuming thats where your body is buried
hell this is assuming your body is even found; and youre not just missing
thats another route, i think, that can be fucked up.. like imagine your death actually is a product of say; alex going off the deep end
shrugs
now as for how that actually makes him feel; theres the grief of course, but i do think he would be angry. for one hes angry at himself for forgetting, but hes also so angry that he wasnt there for you when you needed someone to come and save you. he strikes me as an angry griever, cant really pin point why though....
oooo but imagine you had a certain style or accessory and he incorporates it into his everyday ware... think like an earring or bracelet; he seems like the type to do that, me thinks..
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his smoking gets worse, especially in the beginning as he tries to wrap his head around literally everything thats going on; probably a few sleepless nights in there too..
this is all over the place given admins limited knowledge, but also theres so many ways to go about this... and i think thats nice since it adds variety... you know?
#marble hornets#marble hornets x reader#marble hornets x you#tim sutton x you#tim sutton x reader#tim wright x you#tim wright x reader#admin doesnt know how to tag#also they dont know if its sutton or write for mh tim please help
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guys im going so insane rn why are they letting me think abt both rau and poetry at once oh my gods
I NEED TO EXPLAIN RAU TO TUMBLR. PARROT KILLS WIFIES BY ACCIDENT BCS HE THOUGHT THAT HE WAS THE CLONE AND THEN THE CLONE (lastfies) REPLACES WIFIES AND PARROT DENIALS/GASLIGHTS HIMSELF INTO THINKING THAT WIFIES NEVER DIED AND THEN HE HAS TO UNLEARN THAT AND LASTFIES IS FUCKED UP AND KILLS PEOPLE INCLUDING KEN BCS KEN DOES NOT LIKE THE SITUATION AND PARROT BLAMES HIMSELF FOR EVERYTHING AND O H M Y G O D S
theres. so much symbolism and cool shit and aaaaaaaaaaaa i love this au deeply. im not normal abt it. i love lastfies. hes fucked up (bcs this is based off The Post and hes the last living clone). and theres the thing of it being a tradition to the clones to rip off the part of the headband that says that clones number when you kill them so when lastfies kills ken (bcs ken and parrot were arguing abt the whole wiifes is dead thing (ken didnt know), parrot was getitng upset and lastfies does anth for parrot bcs parrot saved him and he respects parrot (aka completely misunderstands his grief as approval), lastfies gives parrot kens earring. so. whats another guy dead. he doesnt know ken.
and parrot cant even look at the moon or the stars anymore bcs wifies liked the stars and lastfies doesnt. and when he finally makes a grave for wifies he talks to the stars and imagines him (and ken) as one of the stars looking down at him. and the graves are in the place where parrot buried wifies headband, and the place where he leaves flowers upon flowers, two yellow carnations (one for each of them), and endless apologies, and he gives ken the explanations that she never got but ken doesnt hear them because shes dead.
and wato saw wifies die, saw parrot leave with the wrong wifies, but maybe it was a dream, maybe it was their memory being fucked up after the mask. they stop putting in the personal touches in the escape room, make them a bit easier. the new wifies never was as good at escape rooms. the point isnt to trap lastfies and parrot in them forever. and he cant even grieve because hes not going to fucking talk to parrot, and kens still stuck in proton (HES DEAD KEN IS DEAD HE DIED AT THE END OF PROTON BUT PARROT TELLS NO ONE AND EVERYONE THINKS THST HES ALIVE, JUST TRAPPED IN PROTON FOREVER), so she waits for ken yo show back up so they can figure it out, but ken never shows up.
and the memory of who wifies is is as fucked up as ever. evilfies was wifies, clonefies was wifies, and now its lastfies. clonefies (our wifies) never got an identity of his own, he was always just wifies, no one ever knew that he was separate from Before Wifies (evilfies), and no one now knows that lastfies is a different wifies too. and parrot accidentally killed the memory of clonefies too, not just because he literally killed him but because he never talks about him.
and lastfies thinks that parrot is proud of him, that hes doing the right thing, bcs lastfies has never known anything other than violence and betrayal and tearing off a part of who ones victim was as a keepsake, as a tradition, as maybe a higher chance his number will get called. and parrot is strong in his eyes, parrot just killed yet another wifies, parrot is proud of him because he wears the victories (he keeps that bloodied spyglass on his belt and ties that earring onto a piece of string tucked amongst his feathers and he never lets them go) that lastfies gave him. all of lastfies victories (branzy, thing 1 and thing 2 (kier and dev) (yes those three are dead), and ken) are now parrots bcs hes given them all to parrot. parrot has everything of lastfies thst has ever mattered and lastfies doesnt mind because parrot is his everything and his only friend and ally and as things have always gone that means thet psrrot will kill him eventually and lastfies will accept that when the day comes because hes only ever known betrayal.
fuck im not okay this au is all that i have been thinking for the past three days. fuck. @milo-the-mage thank you for coming up with this idea but also fuck you /pos
gods. sorry this is so incoherent but PLEASEEEEE ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM, THERES SOOO MUCH I COULD EXPLAINNNNNNN
fuck
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HI i am having Thoughts about your necromancy au and i need to talk about it. i was trying to convince my sister to read it so that i could have someone to talk to about it. but then i realised. yknow who definitly also has Thoughts about YOUR necromancy au? you. feel free to delete this ask i just wanted to ramble(about the later chapters specifically)
Call this my toxic trait buttt I dont think Rae did anything wrong in raising his mom from the dead. LIKE why the fuck shouldnt he?? His mom(and grandpas) didnt deserve to die, why the fuck should he let them, when he HAS the power to bring them back?? like??? Also not Momboo being a massive bitch telling Isla her son deserved to die. LIKE GIRL. i know you have issues but that is NOT how you talk to a grieving mother. ABSOLUTELY DESPICABALE behaviour. ALSO im pissed off at Fenris, Caspian and Aax. Like not them confirming Rae's worst fears when he actually tells them about Momboo and sends HIM away. and blah blah blah its their magic reacting badly but they dont even TRY to sympathise with him. Als.o like Fenris you are literally dating another necromancer. You cannot give Rae shit for being a necromancer without then applying that to your BOYFRIEND???
ALSO funny how when Rae raised HIMSELF from the dead, taht didn't trigger their magic or whtv, but when he was revived by Momboo it DID. š¤š¤š¤š¤ (I dont think this will go anywhere but. thats beside the point.) Actually wait no maybe im onto somethign here. Maybe its because momboo fucked him up while reviving him!! maybe she did this on purpose!!! wait no i think im wrong. whateverrrr im being silly š
i cant wait to see how other characters react to Rae's new situation. I think(hope) that Athena and Jamie will still eb on his side.... actually maybe not. But i will hope.
At least Rae has Isla, even though everyone thikns hes a monster(THE EPIC PARALLELS ARE REAL) at least his plan didnt fail and his mom;s alive. slight consolation.
If i was Isla i would be HOSTILE to the afformentioned people (Fen,cas,aax momboo) if the situation gets resovled and doesnt end with Rae's eternal death. Hell id be hostile the entire fucking time. I want to see ISla kick someones shit for Rae because how DARE they call her son a monster for saving HER. do you think that would cause her guilt though? since she kinda maybe sorta ruined her sons life? that he ruined his own life to bring her back?
OKAAY ANYWAY thats most of my thoughts. can you tell that Rae is my favourite character no matter the universe? Can you also tell how unwell i am about this au? i think about it..frequently.... again feel free to delete this i just needed to share my thoughts ad feelings with SOMEONE
I also have so many thoughts about my necromancy au, it's just rotating in the back of my brain 24/7. I'm really hoping this all makes sense.
I agree with you, there's very little reason that Rae shouldn't bring his family back and Momboo's reaction (while coming from a place of trauma and fear) was unreasonable. However, I raise this to you, Rae is dead, he can not age or die. At this moment with how it stands he is going to watch Isla grow old and die, if he brings Raemond and Everett back the same thing will happen. He brought Isla back and he's going to loose her again and why would he be any better at processing his grief. Necromancy can not stop old age.
As for what happened with Momboo bringing Rae back and then Aax/Fenris's magic reacting badly to that, I have so many thoughts about it bc it's also how I imagine magic working in this au. I'm going to try to make this make sense.
I imagine that everyone's magic inside them is like a well, you can take water out of it (to perform magic) and more water will flow in to replace that lost water. You can deepen the well to increase how much water can be taken out of it without it running dry (strengthening your magic) however, if you try to deepen the well too quickly then parts of it might cave in (think exercising without warming up leads to hurting yourself, you try to perform too much magic that you're not ready for and you get weaker because you pushed yourself too far). The thing is is that you don't want your well to collapse or run dry. Rae bringing back Isla caused both to happen. When Momboo brought him back she just refilled his well with water so he could rebuild his well (bring himself back to life because Rae relies completely on his magic to live, other people can survive their well of magic being emptied but he can't). Because of that there was life magic in a well meant for necromancy, it was like dumping a bucket of muddy water into a mountain spring, and it will take days for Rae's magic to replenish and wash out the life magic. Fenris and Aax sensed the life magic in him (magic that wasn't supposed to be there, magic that was wrong for who Rae is) and it set alarms bell off in their heads because that's Rae's body but that's not Rae's magic that's reanimated his corpse. That's what Len's magic and reanimating the hordes felt like, that was a necromancer's magic filling bodies not meant for that form of magic.
The same thing didn't happen when Isla or Centross were brought back because they are both necromancers and so is Rae. That is necromancy magic filling wells meant for necromancy. I don't think Momboo felt as much "wrongness" with bringing Caspian back either because of a combination of Caspian not having magic and Momboo being a life witch.
Rae being called not human is a correct statement because he's dead, he's a corpse that's walking around. He's an abomination/unnatural because he's "living" off of magic that is nothing like his own.
Rae is an abomination, he is a monster. He is both Len (the traitor, the monster, the original sin) and the hordes (the horror, the grief, the terror) that marched on cities. He is a reanimated corpse with the singular goal of bringing his family back no matter the cost.
This is not because of what type of necromancer he is (because there are types, I just haven't been able to talk about them yet), he brought Centross and Isla back with both of their desires being completely separate from his own. He has no control over them. His situation is a bit more like Len and the horde which Len has/had complete and utter control over. Rae didn't have enough magic to bring himself back to life completely (hence the no heartbeat/breathing/just being alive) but he did have enough magic to bring himself back as one of the "mindless undead" which have singular goals according to the necromancer who raised them, his goal being bringing his family back. He's not being rushed into doing that/given the illusion of free will because his "soul" inhabits his body since it was reanimated. Think of it like Rae's soul/ghost is possessing his body, if that helps, but ghosts usually are formed with some goal in mind like revenge, in Rae's case that goal is simply bringing his family back.
Anyways, I could keep talking about this but I feel like I'm making less and less sense as I go on. I'm always happy to answer asks about this series bc I am unwell about it. I hope this made sense and I'm glad you're enjoying the series!!
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WE AINT MAKIN IT OUT OF THE ROOMMATE TORIEL NEUTRAL ENDINGS WITH THES ONES ššš
AUUUGH WHY DO AMVS HAVE TO TAKE SO LONG TO MAKE anywho,
casually obsessed with an actively grieving man who hides all of it deep within himself, staying with a woman who has known grief all her life.
Okay ill explain about the songs I gave a bit more, I mean- if youāre really that interested
oh and also *pulls out secret box* theres more
and I have like 30 others- but I meanā¦. you donāt want that, do you?ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦but by chanceā¦..some MIRACLEā¦..anyone wantsā¦ā¦ā¦myā¦ā¦ā¦i meanā¦ā¦..my dms are openā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦..I also like other neutral runs ykā¦ā¦..and likeā¦ā¦ā¦yknowā¦ā¦ā¦.Undertaleā¦ā¦ā¦
FRANCIS FOREVER!!!! This ones pretty self explanatory if you listen/youāve listened to it before.
Not being who you want to be cause your other half isnt there, not being able to sleep, āI miss you more than anythingā THE WHOLE SHEBANG!!!
Yk I actually made an animation inspired off of a certain part in the amv I have in my head for this song- But I used āSailor Songā instead becauseā¦ā¦..I actually donāt know why, come to think of it-
BUT BASICALLY the line āI look up at the gaps of sunlightā before āI miss you more than anythingā HURTS, yes, but ALSO
Sans cant exactly be looking up atā¦.the sky cause uhā¦..underground. So heās looking at the hole that you fall from!
THE ONLY THING!!!! This one is mainly vibes, lyrics are REALLY GOOD TOO but vibes for the neutral ending specificallyā¦Its kinda nostalgic and childhood wondery (I LOVE SUFJAN STEVENS SO GODAMN MUCH OMG) and thats very much how I feel Toriels house/general demeanor is like :3
But iām kinda stealing from the fan assumption/theory that Papyrus is often the only thing that convinces Sans that some things he does ARE worth doing even in a repeating world
āhow do I live with your ghostā āeverything i see/feel returns to you somehowā āI wanna save you from your sorrowā
ok but the saving from sorrow thing has 2 meanings, 1 twords Papyrus and the other to Tori, cause ALSO stealing from the fan theory/assumption that Sans hides a LOT from Papyrus and while I dont personallyyyyyy believe it cause I think the King Papyrus thing was a one time REALLY difficult choice- BUT ITS SAD AND IT WORKS FOR HERE.
THEN! it also works for Toriel cause heās saving her from sorrow from telling her about what the human is really like
SLEEPYHEAD! This is from Toriels perspective now!!!
Again, pretty self explanatory if youve listened to the song, ātheres dust upon the stairsā OMG! DUST!?!?! LIKELIKELIKE UNDERTALE???!?!?!?
Also āI have never been the type to go to church, but I pray for her(Him) each nightā Toriel is shown to be religious in Deltarune so id assume shes the same in Undertaleā¦
āPlease dont forget that im your friendā
DONāT FORGET!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?
But anywho- in an amv of this id think thatā¦ Toriel has no fucking clue whats up, cause Sans hasnāt told her, but she still āprays for him each nightā/is worried for him cause CLEARLY HES UNWELL
DEAR THEODISIAā¦.IS MORE SANS AND TORIEL/ALSO ASGORE THAN THE ENDING ITSELFFFFFFF BUT JUST HEAR ME OUT
Burrs whole thing is about his daughterā¦ and Hamiltons is his sonā¦.
Toriel and Asrielā¦and Sans and Papyrusā¦.IT ACTUALLY WORKS SO WELL AND I SOB IMAGINING THE AMV POSSIBILITIES
Asriel: you will come of age with our new nation, weāll bleed and fight for you, weāll pass it on to you AAAAUUUUGHHH
Papyrus: pride is not the word im looking for, there is so much more inside me now, you outshine the morning sun AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Asriel will blow them all away by being KING some day, and Papyrus will by just being the coolest motherfucker in Snowdin and also ROYAL GUARD
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im a messā¦.my dog diedā¦.i got him as a puppy when i was 11ā¦.he would be 11 by Januaryā¦
recently we found out he had a heart disease and he began to receive treatment butā¦he just died today 7th of augustā¦.he got into hospital but he was doing really badā¦his lungs were filled with blood and he had a heart attackā¦ā¦
im heartbrokenā¦.i still canāt believeā¦ā¦i saw his de*d body in the vet butā¦.i still canāt believe itā¦.
omg baby š„¹š„¹how are you holding up??? sending hugs your way š«š«š«š«
i cant imagine what its like to have lost him after having grown up with him for a decade </33 the grief of losing a pet is so profound šš
in this moment, the only consolation is that he went quick without suffering for too long, especially at his age š„¹š„¹ may his soul rest in eternal peace
i think he might return to you as a spirit guardian because when we've spent that long with someone (and have a good relationship with them) they don't just vanish, their energy and good spirit remains with us and carries us throughout life. i know this journey is going to be a difficult one but he has moved to another realm but will continue to accompany you in spirit, protecting you and loving you as only he can<3 may you find solace in Spirit during this time.
he has left you but he has not gone. trust me.
my neighbour had a dog named Ruby. she was a labrador and getting quite old. after my neighbour got a new dog, she seemed to care less and less about Ruby and Ruby was basically out on the streets (I hope no one has to endure this fate, especially as Ruby was getting older and weaker) and Ruby had always been fond of my mom and I. She used to protect me from all the other dogs in the neighbourhood and used to walk with me if she saw me walking around š„ŗshe often ate at our house and we fed her happily. As our neighbour started neglecting her more and more, she spent most of her time on our property, by this point she was extremely sick and looked like it. Treating her would cost $$$$ which we couldn't spare at the time. But she spent all her last days with us and finally, one morning, my mom found that Ruby had passed away near the kitchen where she usually slept.
After having known her for 8years (she was much older but I dont know how much) she had become like a big sister to me because she was always so maternal and caring. Losing her was so hard. That year (2022) I knew I would lose someone I loved to death and I had been anticipating hearing news of someone's passing all year. Ruby passed away after Christmas and it was sooo shocking even though we knew she didn't have much longer. This year will mark the 2nd anniversary of her passing but I still feel her presence with me and I know she's guiding me as she always did. Her love, her warmth and her kindness lives in me and I know she's watching me from above, along with my ancestors.
please take as much time as you need to grieve but know that your dog will find his way back to you in ether <333
love,
Heaven
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not even just leos last brother, but his BABY brother. mikey, the youngest, the heart and soul of the hamatos, being asked by his big brother who he looks up to so dearly to sacrifice himself for the greater good. and of course he does!! immediately and with zero question!!! mike trusts his brother with his life, quite literally, and throws himself into the sun as soon as it's asked of him. and leo knew he would!! he knew mikey was ready and willing, and knew he had no other choice than to use the loyal adoration of his little brother to ultimately kill himself in order to save the only being that actually had a chance. and speaking of that being, he saw Everything. casey watched every single one of his family members die, and then saved the world right after. yes, the new timeline exists. no, leo and his family never got to see it. but casey did. and he has to ALONE. how is he supposed to find comfort knowing that this great new world exists for him to live in when HIS family, the ones that raised him and loved him as their own, will never get to experience it???? THE GRIEF oh it kills me. leo watched everyone die, but ultimately met them again in his own death. casey watched everyone die, and then had to KEEP LIVING. i can't this 5 minute opening scene had such a detrimental impact on my psyche i could scream about it forever.
oh im so NORMAL about doomed narrative portal duo ;__; we're not given much insight for how long its just been the two of them but the fact that they're able to wordlessly agree on the plan that is essentially mikey blowing himself up, shows us that this had been on the cards for some time now. i imagine just before this battle takes place, mikey reassuring leo that it was going to be okay, knowing what his big brother was potentially going to have to ask of him. leo running through those ruins hoping against every ounce of whatever was left that he didn't need to call upon it... only for that being the case anyway :( and that being the catalyst for him being pretty okay with dying too, knowing that they'd done their part and there was essentially nothing left for him now anyway... OUCH !! imagine leo having to come to terms with the fact when he knows that he himself cant make that ultimate sacrifice, it has to be mikey. and then having to chose the fate of the world over his last remaining brother. his little brother that would move mountains on his word... DOUBLE OUCH !!!
and yes your point about casey is so right! i think it would really freak me out majorly to go through all of that and then essentially live with your family that was just... slightly wrong. it makes me squirm to think about. imagine it: these are the people you know! the people you've grown up with, but like, a little to the left of what you know. just a fraction off but enough to be noticeable. sure, it's a much better, safer and happier future than the one you've come from and you can sleep well at night knowing the threat is gone and you can have a normal life. but boy wouldn't you still mourn the fact that the versions of the sensei and uncles you once knew are dead and gone... forever? that would really mess with me i think. he can't even properly grieve them because... they're like.. right there. they're technically not dead but he's still missing the other versions of them that he's known his whole life.
that opening scene from the movie is just so so good i think about it a lot. tmnt does some really good horrible insights to horrible futures that lay in store for the turtles (2012, the last ronin) and this rise bad future definitely sits up there with those because WOW its depressing as hell when you really think about it ! oof. thanks for the ask :')
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[SPOILERS FOR TLOU PT2]
so i was listening to "the other side" by ruelle and "wait for it" by leslie odom jr. and had this depressing thought regarding that maybe bonus scene of "if the door wasn't shut" series but like- what if it was reader who abby kills instead of joel? hear me out but- joel killed her father right? and probably made her go through sm pain and grief right? so what if somehow she finds out how much reader means to joel.
"did we ever see it coming?
will we ever let it go?"
and blinded by her need for revenge, she šļø the reader instead, wanting joel to feel the same pain and grief she feels and twists the knife even deeper saying that her death is on him. the reader who didn't even go with them and had no idea what even happened in that hospital and absolutely had no part of it was killed because of him. that her death will be on his conscience. she was just someone who was caught in the crossfire because of her relations with joel and ellie.
"i don't want to lose part of me,
will i recover?"
and joel, ellie, and tommy just watches her get šļø by abby. i'm- IMAGINE THE PAIN TOMMY AND MARIA WILL GO THROUGH šššš reader whom they basically raised as their own just gets killed just like that š maria gonna lose another child š AND READER'S SHOP IS JUST BURIED IN FLOWERS ššš
"i don't want to know what it's like to live without you,
don't want to know the other side of a world without you."
what's even more depressing is that she's still young and still had a life ahead of her and it's just cut short because the world is cruel just like that. (especially in the tlou universe cough)
"death doesn't discriminate,
between the sinners and the saints,
it takes and it takes and it takes."
and joel just breaking and wondering why he's still when so many people that he has know and cared and loved has left him (i'm going for the sarah's mom left route and tommy leaving joel to join the fireflies) or died (sarah, tess, bill, frank, sam, henry, and now reader) AND WHAT IF THEY JUST MADE UP TOO?!?! I CAN'T- ššš
"(and we keep living anyway),
we rise (and we fall),
we fall (and we break),
(and we make our mistakes),
and if there's a reason i'm still alive,
when so many have died."
might go back to this if ive thought of even more but for now i'm ending this here and gonna cry about it šš
THE LAST OF US PART 2 SPOILERS!
howl you have HURT me with this one. so badly. my heart hurts. iām gonna add my thoughts hope this is ok <3
FIRST. LETS TALK ABOUT THE SONGS. especially the other side by ruelle?? HELLO??? āi donāt want to leave here without youā ā¦. stop it. iām in so much pain. āi donāt want to know what itās like to live without youā SCREAMING. this hurts me so much and it fits for all of the characters AND AND āi donāt want to know who we are without each otherā i cant do this today howl i really cant. itās interchangeable between the scenarios as well i-
āand if thereās a reason iām still alive when everyone who loves me has diedā stop. iām gonna cry and shout and sob and yell.
lets think about this scenario, shall we?
warning: graphic content, death, weapons, blood, canon-typical, grief, aftermath of r dying. you should know whatās happened if youāve come past the keep reading thingy. pls read at your own risk <3 its not written as a proper fic/drabble (although thereās an idea) but still, be careful of the content you consume !!!!
lets say that reader and jesse were partnered up to take joel and tommy off of patrol. lets say that reader is fucking terrified when the miller bros donāt show up. lets say that jesse agrees to go and find dina and ellie while reader goes ahead to look for joel and tommy, fearing the worst.
lets say reader hears that gunshot, and rushes in, guns blazing. lets say she shoots owen in the shoulder when she pushes the door open, because heās the first person she sees. lets say manny takes her down, gets her gun off of her, while joel is yelling as he realises who it is.
lets say joel is yelling, āget your hands off of herā and ādonāt you touch herā while the others hold him down, tommy already knocked flat out. lets say abby is stood there, looking between you baring your teeth as youāre held down by manny and joel yelling for you. lets say sheās angry, sheās angrier than sheās ever been. lets say that she looks at you and sees herself, and she looks to joel only to see what he took from her.
lets say reader is looking at joel, at his leg thatās almost beyond saving, lets say reader is praying that jesse, dina and ellie are quick. sheās sure that if they got here soon, the four of you could get the upper hand. joel would be okay, if only the others were quick.
lets say abby looks at joel one more time, and spits āmove himā, and she looks to reader while the others pull joel away, while heās kicking and screaming the whole way.
lets say they pull reader over towards the wall, all looking at abby nervously.
lets say when she swings at readerās head the first time, sheās still struggling, looking over to joel as one of the group hits him across the head with their gun. lets say the second time, she goes down, and they donāt need to hold reader against the wall anymore.
ādonāt,ā reader would say, āplease, i-ā lets say abby hitting her again would cut anything else off, and some of the group have to rush to the door when it opens, and reader blinks bleary eyes over to see ellie, and almost sighs with relief until sheās taken down.
lets say reader waits, vision swimming, to hear or maybe see jesse and dina come through the doorway, guns blazing. lets say reader tries not to cry when they donāt come.
āstop it! she had nothing to do with thisā ellie would say, despite not knowing why the group was here, why they were doing this. āiāll kill you, iāll fucking kill you! stop,ā she would be begging, pleading, as they hold her head against the floor, lets say sheād try and pull away, try and get to reader as abby would swing again.
lets say joel hears ellie scream as he starts to wake up, his first and only image being reader with her face covered in blood and- they hit him across the head again, and heās out.
lets say jesse and dina come, and dina almost doesnāt shout for jesse to come down. lets say jesse almost passes out when he pushes the wooden door open. lets say that he shouts, and heās on his knees beside reader in a second, not touching, hands just hovering, and lets say he doesnāt know what to do. lets say he holds in his tears as he turns to where tommy is blinking into consciousness. lets say he blocks the manās view of you until heās pushed aside.
lets not say how joel is unresponsive when he wakes up, even though dina had pulled a sheet to cover the sight in front of him, lets not say that none of them can get him to speak even when they pull him up, on his half-fucked leg, tourniquet wrapped around his thigh from the very group who had-
hereās what we shouldnāt think about this situation!
lets not think about tommy having to go home to maria, to his son, and look her in the face to tell her what happened. lets not think about maria demanding to see reader, demanding for someone to tell her itās not fucking true.
lets not think about how joel canāt be there when reader is buried, stuck in the infirmary, because heās alive. heās alive and reader isnāt. lets not think about that.
lets not think about how jesse would blame himself, would never forgive himself for letting her go searching alone, how he would carry that blame forever.
lets not think about ellie sitting in readerās shop, looking at the clay reader had set out that morning, ready for when sheād be home later on in the evening. lets not think about all the flowers that would be laying outside of the shop, obscuring ellieās view out of the windows.
lets not think about tommy leaving maria when she needed him most.
lets not think about ellie and dina going after him.
lets not think about joel, finally being let out of the infirmary, heading back to Rancher Street, not knowing what else to do. lets not think about joel being completely despondent, about him finding the mug that reader had made sat on the counter from the coffee heād had in it just before he had gone on patrol.
lets not think about joel finding out his whole family has gone to avenge reader, when its his fault sheās gone. lets not think about him limping to the stables, demanding to go after them. lets not think about jesse helping him sneak away.
lets not think actually.
(i could add more to this. expand on other things that could happen in this situation. but. iām sad. i will if yall want tho >:])
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some people are theorizing that the ending of fionna and cake will be simon coming to an epiphany that he can let go of betty and move on from her, and that would be compelling for sure, and a good message about grief, but considering how distant lands: together again ends, with finn having an epiphany that he can just be himself without jake and that he'll be okay reincarnated without him, but then jake being like "lol nevermind actually we should be together forever for all eternity in every life in every universe, im comin with you again!" i... am not Expecting that.
like we already know finn is never going to move on from jake when hes alive. we saw him after he died and he still couldn't move on, even in death. i think adventure time wants to say, "shit, man. sometimes we just cant move on, ever. sometimes someone is so integral to your life that when you lose them you simply will never be okay again, even if you not being okay impacts your friends and loved ones forever! we are kinda selfish! thats life!"
to get personal with it and expose my toxic lil relationship, i know that if my boyfriend died before me, i would simply not ever be able to move on in any meaningful way for the rest of my life. i would always feel like a piece of me is missing, because we really do complete each other, we are defined by each other, we dont know who we are without each other. and i think thats how finn and jake were, and that is textually how simon and betty were! is it healthy? no! but i think it's truthful.
adventure time has never been a show that teaches you lessons on how to be a good, healthy, well adjusted person! even in early seasons, the characters would spend a whole episode trying to learn something, and then either learn NOTHING, or take the completely opposite lessons from it and become worse as people! i think its pretty awesome for that tbh! theyre not teaching you big life lessons, theyre just sort of showing you life, as it happens. yknow???
not to say i'll be disappointed if simon does get to move on and learn to cope with grief in a healthy way, tho, just that its not what i expect from adventure time. i trust this ending to be handled well, no matter what it is. but i imagine it will probably be bittersweet, as is the ending of the original show! erm ok thats all ^_^ byeeee
#erm debating turning reblogs off but i tihnk ill leave it idk#might change my mind later ^_^#at#fac#fionna and cake
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š°even if nell never admitted his love caseys life was still ruined so you could also say her mindset was proven wrong since the avoidance didnt like... save casey from that. also im pretty sure i remember an AU where casey dies instead? no coherent thoughts about that, just thinking...
oh absolutely shes still stupid its more that her thesis of "love causes misery" was shown to be true LMFAO
she didnt do a very good job at actually avoiding it. her shortsightedness and underestimation of caseys feelings, plus the selfish (to her mind) desire to have casey close to her, means that no matter how you slice it she failed. failed to protect casey from the effects of losing someone AND failed to allow HERSELF to truly experience the joy that comes before grief! because thats the really heartbreaking thing about it all to me, the way nell only focuses on the bad stuff that comes after... yes the grief hurts because there was genuine happiness. but there will always be grief and loss and pain, thats unavoidable, so why cut yourself off from the happiness too? ack. she makes me SICK
casey dies au is really sickening nauseating headache inducing because its a much more direct way that nells mindset ruins caseys life... in this world its worse because umm. arguably it leads to caseys death. on nells side though yeah she is fucked up badly over it but she does have the support of ted and michelle to like, force her to stay with them in a hotel in the short term so they can keep an eye on her and make sure shes eating and sleeping... which nell RESENTS because shes doing exactly what she never wanted to do, being a burden on those around her! (he has no idea that there is a large difference between a young child being forced to become a parent to their younger siblings versus adult friends voluntarily supporting someone they care about) (well he does know that but ummm whatever)
thats why in this au nell takes months to get around to telling spider that casey is dead. michelle offers to call but nell wants to stop feeling like she and ted are doing everything that HE should be doing so he says he can do it, it should be his responsibility, etc etc. and since nell is the only one who actually met spider it makes sense right? coming from someone she at least kind of knows rather than a stranger... but every time nell sits down to make the call he just thinks about how much its going to hurt spider to find out. and how hes already killed casey and has this much grief inside of him so imagine what caseys MOTHER must feel... so he puts it off. and puts it off. until finally he cant put it off anymore but by then its been eight months and not only has he killed her daughter hes also hidden it from her and basically fucked everything up irreparably. oooooooopsy
umm so basically nell if you talked about your feelings and were a little more open and vulnerable maybe bad things wouldnt happen to you. IDIOT
#nell#caseybug#asks#this makes me too sad i have to retreat to nyc ending where they get married instead
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same anon lol. follow up from my previous ask (I started thinking about oz and the original team more):
augh. Thinking about laurent genuinely trying to connect with makoto and failing. Thinking about him watching abbie and cynthia connect with makoto effortlessly, and feeling left out. Thinking about him talking to oz about it, and realising that oz knows nothing about makoto at all. laurent getting angry, because even he knows makoto better, and suddenly feels responsible for him. imagining laurent blaming oz, blaming shi-won because they "made" him this way, even though by now he's responsible for his own actions. I'm imagining shi-won specifically calling him out on this, because she's been there the longest. how even though he suffered, at some point he has to accept that his decisions were his own. and that arguably, makoto was put through far, far worse things than he was.
laurent empathising with makoto more and more and starting to feel kind of angry on his behalf, but realising that by now there's very little he can do... he can resent the remaining members of the original team confidence all he wants, but they've been so good to him. they're old friends but they're also walking wounds. he can blame shi-won for teaching dorothy, for bringing him to dorothy. he can blame oz for giving him makoto to work with. he can blame them, but it's not going to change anything. shi-won at least stuck by his side, so she's easier to forgive. oz is harder to forgive, even if he gave up everything for dorothy, for laurent. laurent is splitting hairs here, because he still blames them less than he blames himself.
I think once laurent has this realisation, he doesn't really know what to do with himself. he still does cons and stuff because he probably feels like anything else would be boring, but I think he now kind of wants to shoot oz (not shi-won, because like I said, her sticking directly by his side all those years makes it easier for him to "forgive" her). he gives himself reasons to hurt oz in these cons because he doesn't know when to quit a bad habit when he's spiralling. oz notices, but he doesnāt say anything. he does whatever laurent asks of him, because he's right. I don't think oz feels bad for laurent, however (I think he just feels bad for makoto at this point, because he's already processed most of his grief and self-loathing regarding miki).
I think oz is the type of person to mask his loneliness. he probably cares about laurent the same way two people in a jail cell care about each other. he does whatever laurent asks of him almost like a peace offering, because he's used to just playing whatever role people ask of him without question. he probably doesn't know who he is anymore, and he probably doesn't care. he'll just follow whatever laurent says because the memories he made with team confidence stick to him like old wallpaper, and he can't bring himself to peel them off. he traded one life for another, and he lost both of them.
unlike them, I imagine shi-won already made peace with her demons long ago. there's a reason she told kudo to just let his daughter go. there's a reason why she didn't get an arc to herself. I don't think she feels bad that they're going through this, but she probably tries to distract them once in a while because the one-sided tension between them is annoying to deal with.
sorry I'm a little skdjsjajfj about them
as it is, it feels to me that oz just goes along with what others want most of the time. he isn't too different from makoto in that regard orz
op how does it feel like to be the sexiest person on earth
god god god I LOVEE your thoughts about laurent theyre so incredibly great I've never seen more correct hcs than yours
laurent and oz bonding over fucking up makotos life augohfj its sad but. But. sigh
laurent empathizing with makoto and somehow relating to him now bc he realizes he kinda been through the same shit as him. but like. makoto dealt with way worse so he cant really say anything so he lashes out at the og team instead orz š
oz doing everything laurent asks kf him the same way makoto does too now . im going insanw now.
thanks op sorry i dont have anything to say bht please know that i fucking love all ur thoughts about this thank you so much you have opened my eyes
#AUOOHJHFJ#thank u for introducing me to laurent/oz ship too. i love old man yaoi#well tbh ive always been considering them but i never really shipped them fully bc it was awkward since everyone shipped edaurent#and i felt weird if i ship the guy with the other guy's Dad#but im not an edaurent guy anyway#i hope you edaurent shippers are thriving though#grepre#great pretender#chair rambles#ask#anon ask
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