#italo-celtic

[silverthornwitchery]

wanting to put my druidic path in a predominantly Celtic (continental Celtic as well as Old British to be exact.. sorry Irish Ancestors.) path so i've been through the help of the internet, coming up with constructed names for the roman deities, and coming up with syncretizations either through history or UPG. For Diana - Adruinna/Louna/Adsagsona Arduinna being the manifestation of the huntress and wilderness Diana, Louna being Luna, and Adsagsona (who we know very little of other than she's a cthonic witching goddess) for Trivia. As for Diana-Nemorensis, she appears to me as Nemetona. For Apollo (this is where it gets really messy) - Grannus is the name I call upon in regards to healing, and I call on Grannus alongside Sirona. In regards to Apollo as the Aradian-Lucifer, I feel that Lugus and Endovelicus both could fill that role. Though Lugus is more associated with Mercury that Apollo, I also tie Lugus to Lugh because of the light aspect. And Both Lucifer and Lugh are known to be mercurial trickster figures. In the fall I usually call to Apollo as Maponos. The Horned One - He's already VERY syncretic in terms of existence, so the name I call him varies based on how he shows himself to me. As the Folk Devil/Witches' Devil, he's usually Lupercus, who through demonization, is syncretized with Lucifer, but historically also Faunus. The Devil as Lightbearer to me is Cunamaglos (who i associate with Lupercus), Lugus, or Endovelicus (through Luciferian ties), and then as King of the Forest(both Folk Devil and Otherwise), Callirius. I dont really click with the name Cernunnos, but alternate spellings like Carneo or Carnonos, or Cernun, resonate a bit more. Cunamaglos also fills the role of my Wolf-Spirit deity in the masculine form. Fauna - Easy enough, Fauna is Druantia. Both the feminine form of the Horned One, and also the personification of Druidry as a whole. She IS Nature personified, and kinda blends with Diana-Nemorensis to form Nemetona. As a fertility and underworld goddess (an epithet i use for Druantia is Bone-Mother, giving her a Cthonic link), she can be Aeracura. Thus giving names such as Druantia, Druantia-Nemetona, and Druantia-Aeracura. Her cthonic form is also linked to her fertility aspect as well, since life and death are two sides of the same coin, which is fitting as Aeracura is historically a cthonic and fertility goddess. I haven't quite figured out where Venus stands in all this, though I'm sure I'll figure it out in time. I also plan to Incorperate Brigantia into my practice, since she's another form of Brigid. I also want to form a relationship with Andraste, and can respark my relationship with An Morrigan/The Raven Queen under the name Cathubodua, which is the first name of hers that really resonated with me. As for Aradia, I Personally don't view Aradia as an external spirit, I feel she exists WITHIN the practicioner, as I view Witches as all of Diana/Adsagsona's children. Though Aradia very well may have been a physical person or deity at some point. I feel Aradia works WITHIN us.

[sauljudgeman]

Music Recommendations Part 4

1. Faces - Clio

2. The Look of Love - ABC

3. Don't You Want Me - The Human League

4. Ashes to Ashes - David Bowie

5. I Wanna Be Adored - The Stone Roses

6. It's My Life - Talk Talk

7. Only You - Steve Monite

8. Estrelar - Marcos Valle

9. Once in a Lifetime - Talking Heads

10. The Whole of the Moon - The Waterboys

[antikien]

oulipo connections on a gray matter /

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[ognimdo2002]

Ellen Trechend – Ultraviolent Trioleader

“ Tá tú rud ar bith, ach an dara grád. leathcheann! ”

– itself

The Ellén Trechend is a three-headed monster referred to in Irish mythology.

It is mentioned in the text Cath Maige Mucrama (The Battle of Mag Mucrima) as having emerged from the cave of Cruachan (Rathcroghan, County Roscommon) and laid waste to Ireland until it was killed by the Ulaid poet and hero Amergin.

The Ellén Trechend was introduced in Weather Dragons, Two Lights, Worldcraft, and Rescris as part of Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure and Assassin's Creed sequels.

Physiology

The Yamata no Orochi, their parent, is larger than Ellén Trechend, a big, three-headed bird that resembles a dragon. Its entire body is covered in bioluminescent markings, including butterfly-like wing designs that change from orange, green, yellow, and blue with crystalline and shimmering patterns. It also contains prehensile scale-tipped lights. In order to counter enemies, their tail was extremely prehensile and spiky.

The Ellén Trechend's Achilles heel is a Christian cross shaped on its chest.

[memories-of-ancients]

Bronze helmet, Italo-Celtic, 325-200 BC

from The Ashmolean Museum

[ishparpuaqib]

is it possible for a serious linguist to consider the italic branch paraphyletic, with latino-faliscan and osco-umbrian branching off directly from italo-celtic? (does anyone even care about italo-celtic anymore? am i hopelessly behind the times?)

[yeli-renrong]

Somebody's made a conlang family where Continental Celtic survives and develops along the approximate lines of Italo-Romance, right?

[senzacaponecoda]

I got myself trying to fix PIE stops again for some reason

I think at this point I kind of think the original system was like

tʰ t d

Anatolian breaks off, merges t d, spells tʰ tt for some goddamn reason

Tocharian breaks off, Uralic sees it merge all three into t.

Germanic breaks off, tʰ > þ. d > ð shortly after

The Balkan group radiates out as VOT starts to shift or d > ð or something

Thraco-Armenian first, nothing special happens to its stops until the post classical era, where Armenian goes really crazy

Greco-Phrygian breaks off. Phrygian merges tʰ t, Greek does some goddamn shuffle tʰ t d > t d tʰ

Albanian breaks off as the last of the Balkan radiation. Remnant PIE has finished tʰ t d > t(ʰ) d ð or t(ʰ) d+H d+L or something

Italo-Celtic shows ð

Balto-Slavic shows d+L

Indo-Iranian either murmurs ð or d+L and then splits t(ʰ)

Greek is the only thing really hard to explain but even Phrygian is well behaved with this so whatever

[ahzisskoroh]

the tes conlangs are boring so I feel like when I use them I'd expand their syntax a bit. call it "old" or something when appropriate

for Ta'agra in particular I'm thinking a Romani style case system with some dynamism to the verbs, like making impf stems do the yaparras thing of afroasiatic. "modern" ta'agra would have analyticalized under Imperial influence so I could use the Ta'agra project's ta'agra with my own

Old Nord would be a bit more Old Norse. Like, -r and such maybe. Dragon influences could disassociate the entire tense system, instead focusing on telicity since that's probably something a Dragon could want/understand.

Bretic could inherit Celtic mutation and maybe some Frenchisms

I feel like Aldmeris is going for some celto-italo-greco thing and a PIE-typical suffixing grammar probably wouldn't be too crazy to attach to it.

[tlaquetzqui]

Interesting that it’s sean nós, not nós sean. Seems Irish does like several Romance languages (“Italo-Celtic”) and puts adjectives of age (e.g. nouveau riche, jeune fille) before the noun, not after. (But not size—French puts grand before, Spanish has gran for before and grande for after, but mor only goes after.)

Although the Latin root that sean shares is mostly replaced for describing age by viejo and vieux and similar, in Romance, you might recognize it in the English words “senior”, “senile”, and “Senate”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX3Z8qG7AKo

[forgeofideas]

France, Spain, Portugal, and Italy are grouped together based on the fact that they are an amalgamation of Celtic, Germanic, and Italo-Roman attributes. Ancestrally, they are primarily Celtic but have been dominated by a Germanic hegemon which has influenced their culture. Italo-Roman influence manifests in the form of both language and religeon, not to mention the Latin cultural hegemony and possible intermarriage that occurred during the Roman period. 

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[full-on-sam]

For the weather asking game:

💧- What’s the most emotional scene you’ve written?

⚡️- what’s something spontaneous you’ve added to your story that you wouldn’t normally add?

💦- How many WIPs do you have in all?

Hi, thanks for the question!! I'm a bit Kate in answering it, but its very much appreciated!!

💧 I think for now a scene about Liam's dream in Causing an Apocalypse. Actually tho I feel like the most emotional scene I have yet to write, and I have a feeling it will be in the first/second chapter of TSOU. Its when Katz exits from the bar and you realise that all her boldness is just a façade, and she is actually extremely lonely. I based this scene on a scene of Pin in Path to the Spider's Nest by Italo Calvino. Its my favorite book

⚡Mh, I some scenes such as characters driving in a storm or similar. Those are often things that happen to me but exaggerated. Writing them both my characters helps me metabolize things. I don't know if they will make it in the official thing, but for now they are there

💦 Thecnically? Just 2. But there is a ton of stories that I want to write. An illustrated children's book. An anthology of short stories. Another fantasy based on wind and celtic magic. So many ideas and possibilities really

[memories-of-ancients]

Bronze helmet, Italo-Celtic, 325-200 BC

from The Ashmolean Museum, Oxford

[possessivesuffix]

Taxonomy is just hard in general, in some ways harder than the reconstruction of clear bottom nodes. Serious taxonomic difficulties are all over the place even just in Indo-European. Does Tocharian branch second? Is Italo-Celtic real? Is Greco-Armenian? Indo-Slavic? West Iranic? Insular Celtic?

though phonology also gets much harder, once you go beyond "this is a closely knit dialect continuum" or "we present a reconstruction based on 100 basic vocabulary items"; mainly because etymological validity starts being a major problem. Is it tenable to analyze this unaccounted-for syllable as a suffix? Is this a reasonable semantic shift? Is this a loanword from one branch into another? Whoops this etymon was a loanword from a major contact language, do I now need to also learn Arabic / Fula / Mandarin / Tok Pisin / etc. to be sure there aren't a dozen more of these in my data?

I'd also love to see a review article or database or something of what exactly is the state of reconstruction in various language families. First-pass-done from all main varieties (e.g. Kartvelian), first-pass-done from some varieties (e.g. Dravidian), not done but underway with many partial results known (e.g. Kra-Dai), "done" but not published widely in any form (e.g. North Bougainville), "done" in someone's largely inaccessible thesis from 1973; not done but readily doable from current data, not done and documentation situation unclear, not done and definitely needs more fieldwork, too fragmentedly attested to be ever well-doable…?

my dream job–and i mean “job” loosely, i would do this for no pay–would be reconstructing protolanguages for families that are pretty well established, but who still need somebody to obsessively crawl through their lexicons and grammars to work out the exact sound correspondences

[ishparpuaqib]

so, from what i understand:

after the split of proto-tocharian, late proto-indo-european seems to have continued functioning as a single dialect continuum for a very, very long time, with the remaining (historically attested) branches of indo-european separating from each other more or less simultaneously (with the possible exception of italo-celtic—note, ofc, the probably not-accidental fact italo-celtic represents the westernmost branch of indo-european proper)

there is no reason to believe the earliest attested languages grouped under indo-european proper (i.e. excluding anatolian and tocharian), cf. greek, actually separated from (late) proto-indo-european earlier than those attested relatively late in the historic record (like albanian, or the various germanic languages)

internal divisions within core indo-european ("northwest proto-indo-european", the whole satem phenomenon, etc.) are all presently understood to represent zones of convergence through areal contact, and are not considered to constitute proof of genetic closeness even when they involve common innovations in morphology and phonology (mostly because all such innovations exist on a clear geographic gradient—cf. the frustrating example of albanian sharing quite a few common innovations with greek, and greek sharing quite a few innovations with armenian... but albanian and armenian sharing no remarkable innovations at all)

there are some very curious lexical parallels between italic and indo-iranian—specifically relating to the semantic domains of kingship and statemanship—that can't be explained away as having been borrowed from a common substrate or preserved from an archaic stage of pie, as they don't appear to be shared by either anatolian or tocharian. ???

how maximally unsatisfying...

[senzacaponecoda]

I was reading Olander's 2022 book on IE phylogentics and my glottalic theory partial mind started wandering

I'm wondering to myself how much the stops might have been varying as groups broke off. Like

Original PIA was like

T D DH

th t d

Anatolian broke off, merging t, d, spelling th tt and t t

Core IE stuff happens

Tocharian breaks off, gets Uralic'd, ends up with just one series

Germanic breaks off, and Grimm's Law is actually a much simpler th -> [theta] shift

Then some VOT shenanigans happen, moving forward for each series. Ultimately wants th > t > d > ~d where ~ is some anticipatory feature

Balkan and Italo-Celtic break off during this.

Italo-Celtic sees t d ð.

Armenian actually before, so CArm retains the conservative th t d system. Albanian sees the full shift. Graeco-Phrygian is the hard part for me, but it seems like Phrygian merged the [th t], d into t, d, so maybe Greek got to t d ~d.

Balto-Slavic sees that complete, ~ being the basis of Winter's law

Then what remains is basically Indo-Nuristani-Iranian. Scythian trade and just heavy contact spread satemization back west and north. Maybe under early influence of IIr Greek turns ~d into dh and then turns it into th in the historical period, while IIr builds th from different sources