#it's different from what we've seen with dream & cc!dream

[mcytblrsexymen]

thanks for playing!

(an image ID is under the cut, as well as in the image description. the artists credits and their social media links are also listed under the cut - go check them out!)

hey y'all. we've been quiet a bit. that being said, we have one last thing before we get this event behind us.

this was a really special thing to be a part of. what started as a silly joke we didn't think would get very far ended up being a cultural event within the fandom. thousands of votes, participation from everyone, a thing we'll never forget. we can't express enough how exciting it was to be a part of everything. we, the mods, had a fantastic time with everything. a once-in-a-lifetime kind of experience, you know?

but it wasn't us that made this what it was. it was you all.

we just want to say, from the bottoms of our hearts: thank you. thank you for all the campaigning - for a while, it was practically all we could see. thank you for all the fic - we have a canonized ao3 tag, that's wild. thank you for all the art - several fandoms were practically revitalized by this and it was beautiful to watch. thank you to the ccs who went along with the bit - it was a delight to have you playing in here with us. thank you for the stories you told with this. for the narratives you created. for alliances we would have never seen coming, for betrayals, and most of all for being here, together, doing this. thank you all so much for making this what it was.

anyway, so this art is my thanks to everyone. i commissioned a number of artists from as many different fandoms involved as i could find in hopes of capturing some of the chaotic energy of what might be some of the single most insane two weeks of my life. (and click on the piece so tumblr compression doesn't ruin it - there are SO MANY FANTASTIC DETAILS to look at!)

cheers, everyone. thanks for playing. you've made something special that i don't think we could ever create again, and it was a moment to remember.

<3, second and the sexyman mod team.

ART CREDITS:

confetti @bdoubleowo: goodtimeswithscar, technoblade, ldshadowlady, scott smajor

genesis frog @aroaceacacia: joe hills, saintstarling, itssubz, rtgame, composition, lighting/shading adjustments

siren @chronophobica: zombiecleo, grian, ranboo, tubbo

fluffy @fluffy-papaya: pixlriffs, vikingpilot, zloyxp, rythian

colten @malewifeph1lza: slimecicle, captainsparklez, jschlatt, dream, illumina

kish @kishdoodles and brynn @brynnticus: docm77, aimsey, mythicalsausage, orionsound, clownpierce, eddie the rabbit, owenjuicetv, seapeekay, ashswag, lighting/shading adjustments

td @paradoxalriven: quackity, ethoslab, stage

thank you <3

image ID: a portrayal of the mcytblr sexyman competition, as done by seven different artists, each with their own artstyle. it portrays many mcyters crowded around a stage, onto which a spotlight shines on the finalists. scar and joe are posing at each other in competition. to the right, quackity is climbing onto the stage, boosted by etho. around the stage there are a number of additional mcyters; technoblade, ldshadowlady, scott smajor, saintstarling, itssubz, rtgame, zombiecleo, grian, ranboo, tubbo, pixlriffs, vikingpilot, zloyxp, rythian, slimecicle, captainsparklez, jschlatt, dream, illumina, docm77, aimsey, mythicalsausage, orionsound, clownpierce, eddie the rabbit, owenjuicetv, seapeekay, and ashswag can all be seen cheering on contestants, talking to each other, and watching the competition. there are additional nondescript shadows around the stage in the background, implying an even larger crowd. the image also has the logo for the competition on it.

[chjroptera]

not sending this ask to be rude, just curious about the post you made about it being impossible to talk about the dsmp without considering the creator's irl relationships. i'm personally of the opposing opinion (agree to disagree, like you said) but i wanted to ask what exactly should be considered? are we considering things like dream being horrible, wilbur an abuser, etc? if that's the case, i don't really understand how it's imperative because like any character played by shitty people in any different media, they're still characters separate from the creator's lives. and when taking into account the relationships the creators have between each other, and applying them to meta and analysis of the dsmp, is it also not fair to say that we don't really know as an external party what exactly those relationships are like between the creators? everything that hasn't been explicitly stated ends up being word of mouth or speculation. and then it's like, do we apply glimpses of the creator's lives we've seen to meta? like the dsmpblr discord server leaks? or do you mean influence as in how covid impacted the dsmp, which the impact of quarantine i feel is something that has been discussed numerous times in regards to how it's influenced the members? what exactly is imperative to apply to analysis? again, not trying to come across as rude or combative, just trying to understand your standpoint and others who feel similarly

to me, i think its important to consider the fact that a lot of the foundations for these character are the creators own personalities and connections, and yes while we don't know their relationships as viewers, the fact that multiple creators like slimecicle and quackity expressed the fact they didn't know where the line was drawn between roleplay and actual conversations several times is where i started holding this belief. i do feel like we should remember that dream and wilbur both wrote their characters to be bad people who win in the end (until the retcon which is being supported all around) while being bad people. like i said, i still see these characters as characters, not the creators themselves, but its undeniable they are intrinsically connected to them. this is solely because dsmp was spur of the moment and this issue is mainly tied to the original/early members and becomes less of an issue with time (like micheal who created a wholly original character from the get go). we, the audience, know why ctommy and ceryn are friends, they found each other as kids and lived together because cc eryn wrote that. we're never given any narrative explanation to why ctommy and cwilbur consider each other brothers or how they came to be close, the meta explanation is because the creators themselves were close friends, thats what i'm referring to. i hope this makes sense and i felt how you did for most of my time being a fan but post-dsmp analysis has me thinking a lot abt how weird the series is as its own media

[lookinghalfacorpse]

6 and 12

6. Is there a c!dream scene/moment/action you would change?

hm... at the risk of ranting here, i think that c!dream and c!philza's interactions were nerfed because of the negativity cc!phil was getting. c!philza wasn't as caring towards c!tommy as some people like to think, but the lack of interactions with c!dream made it seem like c!philza took c!tommy's side completely.

my evidence:

c!philza comforting a kid who ran crying to his doorstep is realistic, for sure. i'm convinced he would do that for anyone who cried to him. he's a kind old man. but his advice later on more or less held undertones of "have you considered that you're the problem" and i even saw some inniters saying that it wasnt super supportive of c!tommy's lifestyle

c!philza and c!tommy briefly interacted during the finale, when c!tommy stated that he was about to do something very dangerous. c!philza gave him some armor and sent him on his way. that's NOT the actions of someone who legitimately cares and isn't as protective as we've seen c!philza acting in the past; if c!techno said the same thing, c!philza would insist on coming with him. it was a kindness, but it wasn't a display of love.

c!tommy betrayed c!techno. c!philza isn't about to forget that.

12. What do you think c!dream's limbo/limbos would have been like?

well, we know that it looks different depending on how you die and the kind of life you lived, right? yet all limbos kinda look the same. all of them have a sense of loneliness, and of waiting.

(spoilers for veteri-mycosis) in v-m, since there was an obvious parallel with wilbur's death, i put him in the same limbo. the only apparent difference was that dream was still pain from the wounds that killed him; i was hoping this would mirror how self-inflicted everything was.

i'd be interested in a limbo where he watches the server go on without him, or watches c!george's dreams without being able to interact. kind of like c!tommy's limbo in reverse. OR, more symbolically, a limbo where c!dream is searching an endless library with infinite information in it.

[llitchilitchi]

On the topic of expressing grief:

Isn't it possible that Dream and Tommy have similar grieving methods? It's very likely that, even though it hurts to pretend not to know him, they feel more hurt seeing things he built or things left behind by him. So, in an effort to lessen that pain, they decided to go with the amnesia ending to season 1. It won't get rid of it completely, but it lessens it enough that they can function normally. Some people run away or remove the things that make them sad.

whatever way it is they cope with grief is their own and no one has any right to tell them to do it differently

I won't speculate on what it is. we've seen a lot of how they are dealing with grief and they don't owe us to give a step by step guide to how they went through everything and a walkthrough of how they are feeling about things. it's invasive to want more than they are willing to give.

the amnesia ending could be a way for people who need to step away from the memories for good to do so. it's also a wonderful way to let new people join the lore and be actually involved. it's a way for ccs who have been there for a long time to start fresh and play a new character. it's a way for them to explore new dynamics and relationships. it makes sense that it was written this way, in the end.

[scoops404]

this is late! but i'm always curious with rpf writers: how do you consider the 'characters' you write about against the real person? as in, how do you personally manage the separation between the two? especially in regards to shipping as the fandom as a whole seems to veer more towards truthing and an assumption that we, as fans, are able to truly perceive these people.

i see you're very respectful of the creators boundaries in regards to personal information that hasn't been freely given. has this ever been a struggle for you? it's almost impossible not to learn things about creators that has been obtained by shady means as there's an obviously toxic community dedicated to stalking and doxing creators and then using that information to harass fans by shoving it in their face. hopefully this hasn't happened to you but if it has and you've been unwillingly shown personal information about the people you're writing about, how do you personally deal with that while writing to ensure you're respectful of their right to privacy?

sorry if this is a bit more esoteric than you were asking for! i won't be offended if you choose not to answer :) love your writing! you're definitely one of my go-to authors if people ask for recs!

It took me a while longer to get to this ask because I wanted to think on it, hope you don't mind :)

Also, this got super long so it's below the cut

I never for one second have thought I actually know the ccs, in any of the rpf fandoms I've been in. I was trying to think of how I've always felt that distinction, and honestly, I think it's because I've read so many AUs that it's easier to separate fic!cc from irl!cc - dunno if that helps, but for me it's like the written versions in stories are so different because they always have the tone of the author in the style of the piece, the "characters" are filtered through their eyes, no matter how grounded in their quirks and vernacular the author is, they can't 100% take themselves out of it. That's how I always see the distinction, i guess. No idea if this is making sense to anyone else.

Moreover, I've also always believed the ccs deserve their privacy, so for someone to write a story about them and think they haven't missed any nuances of who these people are as people, is like so dumb? We can't 100% know them, and we SHOULDN'T 100% know them. There should be a wall dividing us from them.

As far as writing them--some stories they are completely different but you have to reach at something true about them and expand on it. I'm talking mostly about AUs like thief and cop AU or king and knight AU because those obviously have dynamics that aren't inherent in our Dream and George. For the style of fic I like to write, which is mostly IRL or "reality" based with a twist, you can only guess at what you think is real and true to each one of them and focus on drawing that part of them out, in regards to whatever the plot needs. With "Fallen," George's mom's divorce is the catalyst that draws them together, so we needed the angst of George seeing that relationship fall apart and wondering if his relationship with Dream will inevitably go the same way. In "Deep in the Dream of Game" their lives are at stake and so the protective side of each of them comes out and the strategist side of Dream that works to get them home and keep everybody together and alive. I hope that makes sense. In "Shine Here to Us" George's jealousy of Dream having a child with someone else prompts him to rearrange his life (again) in order to be the closest person to Dream, to do it with him.

We've seen snippets of private George, of how he keeps information close to his chest, how he doesn't talk about past relationships, etc and I channeled that into Fallen. We've seen Dream be protective over George -- the cooking stream and telling him not to put his hand in hot oil, "Tiktok fix your shit", etc and I channeled that into Deep in Dream. Anytime Dream expresses interest in someone else, George gets jealous (I feel like this happened with Foolish) -- and thus a nugget for Shine here to us.

I do try to be respectful of their boundaries. Before George's last name was in his meet-up vlog, I'd seen it in lots of stories and that never sat right with me. Not in a way where I'm passing judgment on those writers, I wouldn't, it's just a line I myself wouldn't cross. I've made guesses at things based on stories they've freely told us, but I've been lucky enough to avoid doxxed info. I came into fandom twitter space (where most of it seemed to leak) after that seemed to die down--or I was lucky enough to avoid it, I dunno. My friends said there were times doxxed info would be in replies to cc'd tweets and I never saw that, which I'm grateful for. I've been on tumblr a LONG time, but on this account, I've never gotten critblur asks like most of the big blogs did (So I've been told after the fact, and also THIS IS NOT AN INVITATION TO SEND THEM TO ME, DO NOT). So, I don't go looking, and I don't incorporate private information into my stories.

I think if I had been shown private info, I'm pretty good at forgetting things. I have to double check stories with my friends and betas all the time, so I think I'd be okay at not using that info.

It's interesting to me to see the line of fandom moving as I've aged in fandom. A lot of people in this community are young (which is great!) but the "rules" of this fandom are a lot different from other fandoms. Though, I do think it's really cool to have the main three--dream team--cool with being shipped and written about. I think Dream made a really smart choice when he was blowing up. (not to say I think he played into queerbaiting--he's a person not a corporation and can't queerbait. I'm pretty sure he and George are just like that.)

I firmly believe he did a lot of research on cultivating a fandom when he started popping off and when he realized his audience was primarily LGBT and leaning female, he embraced it and encouraged them in things that female leaning people tend to do in fandom, which is, mostly transformative works. There's an interesting article that i can't find that talks about the traditional "roles" of men vs women in fandom spaces and men do more archiving and collecting ((think racecars, pokemon cards, mcc reddit spreadsheets, etc)) which is not to say women can't do that, but apparently women lean more towards writing fan fiction and drawing fan art. I think that article didn't talk about trans or nonbinary people but I see a LOT of them in this space, which is, again, amazing.

Anyway, Dream's growth in large part is tied to not only his creative videos and terrific editing skills, but the cultivation of a fandom that he allows full creative freedom--edits, tiktoks, analysis videos, fanfic, and fan art!! I don't know any other cc who encourages artists as much as Dream and I think that's really helped him.

But I do think that sometimes people confuse him being open with his fans to being open in the sense that they are owned information about him. They aren't. They never will be. He tells us way more than we deserve to know and way more than other ccs tell their fans. I block those people and keep it moving.

Sorry that this got way off track, lmao. Clearly I just needed to ramble about fandom stuff for a while. Sorry.

Thank you for reccing my fics, that's lovely to hear! I really love writing for this community :D

[enneamage]

Sorry to the other anon but the live show wasn't the best. And he didn't even write it himself. (If you look at ash's vlog from the time he shows the dude who was helping behind the scenes.) Was a little sad when I found out and I expected way more tommy in the show but it just wasn't there. There was a distinct lack of tommyness - sure there was a lot of flavor and it was popular with the audience live but it really didn't feel that funny watching it. And as for your comment- if tommy becomes more 'authentic' in his content I'll be sad and uninterested. I don't watch him to get parasocially attached I watch him because he can at his best be hilarious and Act a character that's so engaging. But it feels like we've seen him at his best less and less over the past 2 years. I wish he'd stop worrying about passifing his fans, keeping 'in' with other ccs, (looks at dream and wilbur) and just go ham with his vid ideas. I remember he said himself he loves going live to put on a show. I'd hate to see him give up on that for audience appeal.

In order to be able to talk about a part of this ask that I wanted to focus on, I needed to try and sit through the live show in order to be sure I wasn’t mistaken about the format of the show. I struggle with watching live studio audience footage in general, so this one was an uphill battle.

When I think about how to translate a YouTube or Twitch talent to a live show my mind honestly goes blank. I know people are doing it and have done it, there’s tours like crazy out there and they’re constantly being refined, but I wouldn’t know how to break down the formula of how to get one energy into a different context, or if doing a live show means finding a similar but distinct vibe to bring into a room. It’s probably different for every performer so I wouldn’t be able to say what I would want changed about the show, but I do get not being wild about it. The show itself did feel like a test run, in a way that seemed endearing to the people who could go.

If I’m not mistaken he floated the Muppet theme as a song for the show, but it was shot down. I think he is broadly inspired by the red curtains and brass section “variety show” that the Muppets went for, though. An interesting fact about that is the non-puppet version of these live shows tended to be saucy adult-oriented evening theatre like Cabaret and Burlesque, where the variety acts got shocking and flirty to keep people entertained. This is a complete coincidence, but his “Lets see what I can get away with” bits weirdly gave me these vibes. Him taking on the saucy cabaret stage host persona is not destined for this lifetime, but it’s… a powerful image that I have been burdened with since watching.��  

I don’t think that Tommy is ever going to drop out of his persona completely, because his persona is part of him. That sounds like a paradox, but he is authentically a performer, him living his best life involves being able to put on his big persona and have fun in that space. Making sure that he isn’t being crushed underneath it is one thing, but it doesn’t involve doing away with it entirely. He’s made of too many different parts to just collapse into one thing, especially in front of a camera, so I don’t think there’s risk of him sacrificing that aspect of himself completely.

[cdroloisms]

,,, like, anon, we're talking about c!Wilbur here. "sudden emotional flips" are kinda part of the character. i'd argue that it's true that inconsolable differences feels like it should've followed more c!dream and c!wilbur interactions (scrapped lore every day i mourn you) but c!wilbur's sudden turn on c!dream wasn't just possible, it was kind of inevitable?

c!wilbur will always choose c!tommy. that's part of the whole point of the c!wilbur-c!tommy-c!dream triangle of it all. c!dreambur isn't about c!wilbur choosing c!dream against all odds no matter what despite everything, and his infatuation with c!dream post-revival was never going to withstand the idea that he could've lost c!tommy.

and i mean, just look at c!Dreambur interactions in canon--it begins with c!wilbur aligning himself as staunchly against c!Dream before the two of them have even officially canonically met. then, post-revolution, c!Wilbur starts acting friendly to c!Dream--pretty damn markedly so--while continuing to uphold the L'manburg independence narrative. then when c!Dream supports Pogtopia, literally putting himself on c!Wilbur's side, c!Wilbur makes a whole point of declaring how c!Dream isn't on their side and only wants chaos etc etc until c!Dream does what he wants him to do, where he's once again seeming to praise c!Dream and banter with him in pretty obvious ways, such as in the November 6th stream where he has c!Dream give him gunpowder in front of all of Pogtopia or in November 16th itself when he talks about being "proud" of c!Dream. and then post-revival, he's once again very obviously putting c!Dream on a pedestal, being infatuated with him, etc. at no point here are his feelings about c!Dream particularly...well, stable?

like, inconsolable differences had c!wilbur acting violently to c!Dream, yeah, and also to c!tommy. it had both of them acting according to his orders in a very explicit way. and this is absolutely a continuation of the dynamic established for these three and not a jarring out of character moment? outside of speculation of stuff that's not shown (such as stone theory), we never actually see c!wilbur acting in c!dream's service by working for something explicitly planned out by c!dream. the favor that c!dream wanted from c!wilbur Canonically goes completely unasked for, because it is litearlly what c!wilbur was leveraging against c!dream in inconsolable differences. c!dream clings to a "feeling" of control over c!wilbur according to cc!dream in a reddit post, emphasizing that said control isn't real and exists only "in his own head." like, this is c!wilbur. control is kind of his whole thing.

it's not really fan service to have c!wilbur choose c!tommy over c!dream--the priorities of the character literally run in that direction and this has always been the case. c!wilbur's control of the situation and acting violently against c!dream and c!dream's obedience are all continuations of the prior dynamic. inconsolable differences mostly suffers from a relative lack of context; while we've seen c!wilbur's infatuation with c!dream (and refusal to consider anything that contradicts the view that he has of c!dream) as well as c!dream's whole uh, thing about c!wilbur, not really seeing them interact post-prison kind of made the turn in inconsolable differences feel like it came out of nowhere. but c!dream's relative meekness and c!wilbur's violent reaction to learning about c!tommy's suicide attempt has its roots in c!dreambur's dynamic like literally in vassal and earlier

I hated “inconsolable differences” and it continues to enrage me at how there was no substance for this mad duo infatuation for cWilbur’s flip to hatred to feel anything more then fan service to the worst demographic

strongly agree / agree / ambivalent / disagree / strongly disagree / don’t care whatsoever

nahhhh see this is a part of c!Wilbur's charm. dreambur is not about consistency. The word is infatuation, not devotion. If you want a character that isn't prone to grandiose gestures based on sudden shifts in feelings you should pick someone who isn't c!Wilbur

[megablade]

So uh, a possibilty that looks real, and we will have to see how probable it is as time goes on, is the way in which Quackity dies. We know that he has made himself so many enemies that the destruction of Las Nevadas is highly likely (I mean I don't want the country gone but the cc like blowing shit up).

And you know how Quackity has said he will die for his country? That's all he has left? How he didn't want it to be this way but rather had to build Las Nevadas for his own sake? Yeah..

Even worse if his resentment for his fiances leads them in opposites site. In the side against Las Nevadas.

And he watches, on top of the Needle down to his country, to all his hard work- being destroyed. To all he had left in his life, to the place he gave it all in for, be yet another failure like most of his experiences in this server thus far. He watches as enemies and people who he saught as friends, who he in a foolish decision thought to leave alone, team up to destroy his home - his and the rest of his crew. But ah, not all are fighting for it, in fact, most are in the sidelines watching the destruction unfold infront of them. He can't blame them, he dragged them un here with lies and a false sense of free choice. Yeah, the somewhat bonded, but the resentment never left. Fair enough, after all, this place wasn't build for them, it was build for his most loved ones- the ones that participate in the chaos. It's a surprise George showed up, and it hurts he showed up to the destruction of his work instead of showing up to what could have lead to a happier path in his life. The elections. He is never going to let that down. But what it hurts the most is watching his lovers happily burning buildings, or well, rather ex-lovers, ex-fiances who are happily burning down the wedding area. He still remembers building it with the idea in mind of proposing to officiate the whole thing here, to host a wedding and take the next step forward. But Sapnap and Karl were always closer to each other than to him, right? After all he was the latest addition to the relationship. It still hurt to see so many loved ones get rid of his home.

Taking out a sign he wrote the following: "Take care of Ossium, he is the only emotional attachment I have left-that is if he survived the explosion. - Quackity"

At least someone will take pity of his pet and most loyal companion, or that is what he hopes. He wishes they would show that mercy for him but he knows it's wishful thinking, his time has come after all. But he will be damned if he lets someone else takes his life. He said it before, is his country goes down, he will go down with it.

He took the step forward that will lead to his demise. 'I'm sorry Slime, seem like I will be turning to dust. No longer Quackity from Las Nevadas, only Quackity.'

As the ground comes closer to view and as he hears the faint shout of someone yelling, he think one last thing. 'Here lies Quackity, an idealist guy who was nothing but failure, a joke of a leader to a doomed country.'

-Quackity fell from a high place.

Maybe not as angsty as this (I let myself loose sorry^^;), but I think he will oof himself from jumping from the Needle. He is way too weary with it and the irony if he does from it.

Poetic cinema. Sorry for the long ask!

OH...... okay yeah that is possibly The Most Angsty theory i have seen yet

i can't help but wonder, as your theory briefly mentions, if las nevadas will face an equally devastating outcome that l'manberg had? doomsday had been one of the last truly server-unifying events recently and considering how nearly all of the characters' arcs are tying together with quackity (including dream), i feel like it's something that might happen?

so many people are becoming involved with las nevadas that i can't imagine it not culminating into something as big as nov.16 or doomsday, not to mention that everything quackity's been doing WILL blow up (literally or figuratively) in his face at some point, so that's how i'm currently looking at things

BUT narratively speaking, i'm really in love with the idea of this... the concept of Healing... i'm not looking for neat or tidy, considering how quackity will most definitely crash and fall further (yeah he IS going to lose a life this arc. the firework death retcon makes that pretty clear in a meta sense) before he has the Realization, but my hopes lie there

[the-final-sif]

Didnt dream confirm that the insta dms in which he gave out his private snapchat were true? Like regardless of whether there even was a snapchat conversation, that's kinda sketchy to me & he should definitely stop doing that in the future. Whatever his intention was I'd definitely take it as an "oh he wants to sext & send nudes" thing and I really dont thing im the only one. He already has a public snap where he sends his random photos and hes probably not face revealing to some rando so...

To clarify, Dream's statement on the matter was that "he believes the instagram dms are real". This statement was made less than 6 hours (edit with correction, he had less than 6 hrs not 10) after the relevant allegations were released, and he was trying to respond to two different situations, all while (according to his report) he had a very limited amount of time to respond. Having read over it a few times, he clearly had some confusion between the allegations, and I'm doubtful he had time to fact check everything. God knows it took me several hours to get everything even kind of in order.

I'm personally not taking that as 100% confirmation that the instagram dms are real and unaltered in any manner. We've already seen via the prior video on tik tok that Amanda removed at least 3 of her own messages at some point prior to posting her accusation. While I've heard some people say that they remove instagram dms regularly, and I don't think that instantly makes her claims invalid or anything, I do think it raises question about information that could've been omitted. Omission is a form of alteration, even if it's not done with intent to change the message. I also haven't seen/haven't been able to find any record of what her instagram profile was/may've said at the time, which could add further context to the conversation (if she was listing herself as older and if her account was a fan account vs a cc style account would be very relevant to the conversation at hand. I haven't seen that information made public, but if someone else has it please feel free to send it to me! (only if it was made public by her though, I do not want to engage in anything that was doxxed)).

This is part of why I've said that I want clarification on the matter from Dream before I cast any judgement. I'm not saying the instagram dms are fake, I believe the majority of them are probably real, but I also don't want to take them as 100% confirmed and unaltered when we know some amount of unaddressed alteration did occur. That's part of my issue with casting judgement on them.

Putting that aside, having read through the entire instagram conversation, I can kinda of see how Dream might've ended up offering a snapchat he uses for dming people (I believe, although do not quote me on this, he's said he likes to use snapchat for communication). Amanda had been asking him for advice on becoming a streamer, she'd been asking to play games with him, she'd been talking about being lonely, and it'd been well over a year since she'd mentioned/talked about being a fan prior to getting his snapchat. That may've been the start of their interactions, but it didn't color them very much. In the actual lead up to exchanging information, the two of them had started talking about music which is the first point where Dream actually seemed to show interest in the conversation.

If Dream was genuinely interested in talking to her, or felt bad for her and wanted to cheer her up, I could see him offering his snapchat to be able to talk to her on a platform he actually uses regularly. Particularly if he thought/was seeing her more as a small streamer/cc than a fan.

I don't think it's fair to assume that if he did offer her his private snapchat, that his intent was sexual/send nudes. I think it's important to add the context of Dream's social media's here. Any of his public platforms are going to be totally flooded, and responding to dms is going to be very difficult. God knows his discord is similarly overwhelmed. He's not going to be giving out his phone number to someone he doesn't know. Having a private snapchat to be able to talk to people who he doesn't know but may want to get to know isn't actually particularly unreasonable.

Now, let me be clear, I still think that this would be fucking stupid. If a friend of mine was a famous cc and did that, I'd probably give them a Look and be like "dude". I would agree he should be more careful about this in the future. But I don't think that it would prove malicious intent or is inherently predatory. Particularly given the context that is still missing from the situation (prior messages that may've been removed, her profile at the time).

As a rule, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, and not assume malicious intent where none has been proven. I want to give that to both parties in this situation, which is why I'm waiting for clarified statements about what both parties contend as fact, and what evidence they actually have of stuff occurring. Again, hopefully reviewed by lawyers and properly documented.

[stellocchia]

So, I mostly talked about this in reblogs because lately I'm more into the Owl House than I am into dsmp, but I'm still interested in the story. Exclusively c!Tommy's story by now, but still.

I want to see it end well. I want it to be satisfactory. I want him to either get a happy ending and manage to permanently get away from c!Dream or for c!Dream to win and for us to get the immortal primeboys ending no one but me wants but that we all definitely deserve.

Before that though, I need crimeboys story to get an ending. And, just like for c!Tommy's ending, I'm really hoping it will be good and satisfactory... but in this case, I doubt it will be.

Both cc!Wilbur and cc!Tommy CAN write. They proved as much before. But they aren't professional writers and this has been painfully obvious from the last few streams.

From setting up plot points that were then promptly dropped and forgotten to making a mess with the timelines and paying little to no attention when it comes to continuity (Link) they have made quite a few mistakes.

And that can happen and it can be fixed (giving any acknowledgment to what is supposed to be canon like mentioning that c!Dream is out of prison or literally, any mention of the events of ho16 would be enough to fix the timeline and continuity issues for example).

But what I'm worried about is a trend we've seen with these reconciliation streams they've done so far. Streams where, inevitably, characters that have no reason not to hate someone else's gut accept their crappy apology that leaves out half the shit the person has done and move on.

We've seen it with the c!Tubbo and c!Techno team up, we have seen it with c!Wilbur's apologies... literally all of them so far (I would only exclude the one to c!Techno because that one was bad for all different reasons, like the fact that it felt like, once again, retconning half the story to make c!Techno look good).

They receive no build-up. The character that is apologizing doesn't even acknowledge half the sh*t that happened but they're forgiven because that's what it's expected. Because every apology has to end in forgiveness no matter what.

And that's exactly what I don't want for crimeboys. Because they have one of the most wonderfully complex relationships in the dsmp and they quite frankly deserve better. Winking at the audience saying "just you wait, that apology you want IS coming, JUST YOU WAIT" is not build-up. We need proper communication and, more importantly, an effort on both sides to do better already BEFORE the apology.

Arguably, c!Tommy has been doing that. He's been helping c!Wilbur the best he can as he has always done, which is why my last point is gonna be mainly about c!Wilbur. He has to show he cares. If not to c!Tommy at least to the audience, at least when he's alone and with something more than nudges at "yeah, an apology is supposed to happen. Hang tight and maybe it will come". And we haven't had this so far, with any of the people he apologized to in fact.

Of course, if we get a half-assed apology we always have fanfictions to lean into, but it would just be a pity. Because as characters they do deserve better.

[autisticlalna]

PANDORA'S BOX IS OPEN AND I AM SIMULTANEOUSLY PANDORA, THE BOX, THE EVILS, AND THE HOPE LEFT INSIDE

(i think the transcript work is getting to me. TOO LATE NOW.)

so. i mentioned the concept of multiversal bleed in my initial deranged discord rant. it's kinda just a byproduct of mcyt storytelling, really - if you're doing a bunch of stuff at once, references are gonna get made. but with multiversal stuff being an actual plot point in Viking and Ruby's TSMP lore, the fact that tViking is not the Viking that Ruby remembers but still has an attachment to them, has basic knowledge of a history with them... but at the same time doesn't really understand the idea of a time "before this", and when Ruby first asks him what he knows about her his answers are very surface-level:

Ruby: [sigh] Okay. Um… What else, what do you— what do you— What do you know about me. Viking: Uuuuuhhhh. Ruby: Do you know me. Viking: Uhhh. You… need therapy ‘cause of beetroots. Um… your full name is something like Rubidium Company or whatever. Or Rubidium Corporation, or Ruby… the Third Corporation, or something like that, iunno. Um— You, uh… Um… Like… drawing… and diamonds— er, gemstones.

and then, like. cc!Ruby saying "It's just so you. No matter the universe or time, after all this time, it is still you" and that snowballing into "tRuby saying that right before tViking kills her" and that being one of the dreams in Ruby's dream journal. and tViking also remembering it... maybe. he seems to remember several different outcomes of it, several different permutations on how it ends, and doesn't remember that it's Ruby.

and then when Ruby confides in him about xer sleepwalking, tViking is very casual about it. in fact, the way he responds makes it sound like not only has it happened the couple times we see it happen (the villagers, the bamboo farm) but that it's something regular for him. maybe even something he does on purpose:

Viking: Ruuuuuby. Do you think- You think- You really think, do you really think that I would sit down, and do all of this. Ruby: I mean, no. Viking: Do you think I have the patience for that? Ruby: No? Viking: Bro, I just- I— See, the secret is, you go over to a corner, kinda you go, “a’ight I’m gonna go honk shoo snork mimimimi,” and I wake up, oh my god villagers. Poof. Magic.

(source: the big fucking transcript of the ~4 hour lore VOD im working on. i'll finish it soon i promise)

but Navigator did not build that farm. he shows up to tell Ruby "hey, don't let him do this". tViking went under the radar, he's poised to cause a lot of devastation, and Navigator wants Ruby to stop him. there is no way in hell Navigator would do anything for tViking, and he straight up does not want tViking to know he exists at all. but... tViking knows that there's other hims out there, and that those other hims will just nab his body to do stuff sometimes:

Viking: Riiiight? Doesn’t matter how many versions, what times… Doesn’t matter what any of that is. A Ruby is still a Ruby. Ruby: …I guess. Viking: A Viking… is always a Viking. Ruby: [quiet] Yeah. Viking: So for me, [laughs] I may not build these things myself, but I wake up and they’re done, and I know it’s me, because me wants to help me. Vikings help Viking. That’s how it works.

but when Ruby tells Navigator that, he brushes it off:

Viking: < he assumes he is the only one > Ruby: (Sorry.) “He assumes he’s the only one.” Well, that’s not quite correct? He’s- He’s told me that he goes to sleep and then the farms are there, so… I don’t know? If that assumption is the right one to make? Y’know? Viking: < he mistakes his “dreams” for his actions >

and we haven't seen anything like this from any other Viking. the closest we've got is Skyblock!Viking recognizing Avid, but that might end up getting spun off into him specifically having personal history with Avid considering he's currently being targeted by the Old One. (there's also the vague implications that Gilded!Viking is Dominion!Viking because of him and Josh riffing on it a bit, but im gonna be honest i have no idea what to take away from that / don't know if it was intended to be anything more than "haha hey we used to be in a thing together")

so ALL OF THAT combined with Navigator casually hijacking tViking is just. making me wonder if maybe tViking is actually Built Different in some way. that he's somehow intertwined enough with the Vikingverse or whatever to act as a conduit for the others when he's in a sleepwalk state. maybe that's how he went under the radar in the first place? Navigator might've noticed other Vikings popping up in weird places, but didn't put together "it's because there's a Viking there channeling them and he's up to some shit" until he was able to slip in himself.

OH. ONE LAST IDEA. hey. hey you know how we immediately knew it was Somebody Else even before he pulled out the signs because his eyes changed. and how the eyes changing is so far our go-to sign for if a switch happened bc of Sapphire and Navigator having different eyes than Ruby and tViking. assuming Navigator's eyes are actually green and it's not a general "someone else is in control" thing for tViking, that brings up the idea of: how many times have we seen tViking and it hasn't actually been him?

or, on another route, what other changes are we going to need to look out for when Vikings that aren't Navigator "wake up"? are we going to be able to notice them at all?

i have finally come out of my shell enough in vikingcord to start dropping absolute bricks of text. what the fuck is up with tviking. how many vikings are in there. is he just a conduit for any other viking that falls asleep out there in the multiverse. what hte fuck

[egopocalypse]

Once again, the lack of communication between the CCs shows why an organizational team for the DSMP is so important.

Even while Wilbur acted as Head Writer, other ccs felt like their characters' stories were being neglected due to the lack of opportunities they had to jump into the action and make their stories known. I don't fault Wilbur for it (it's so difficult to manage 15-20 different character stories all while crafting your own), but this has been a persistent problem from the start of the roleplay.

Yet once Wilbur rescinded his role, no one chose to take the mantle, and the SMP has severely suffered for it. For almost a year and a half, we have critiqued the SMP for a lack of communication between the ccs, which has led to mishandling other characters' lore, blatant mischaracterization through Word of God, and retcons/new events that directly contradict the themes the narrative desperately wants to tell. Plotlines get started and dropped without warning. Plots that continue don't get the attention they deserve. CCs that want to tell their stories get ignored and feel neglected by both the other ccs and the fans. Hiatus after hiatus cause people to become cynical and lose hope that the story we fell in love with will come to a satisfactory close.

The DSMP needs a background team to organize the story--a team that can coordinate with ccs and help them make their stories come to fruition. This team would be responsible for scheduling lore streams between ccs and encouraging communication in order to propel the story and ensure plotlines draw to a satisfactory close. It's been needed for a long time, but it's absolutely necessary now.

There's a reason why in D&D the Dungeon Master doesn't play a character of their own. Their focus is on crafting the world and guiding the path the characters choose to take. The players have total control of their characters' choices, but it's the DM's job to use those choices to help the players weave a successful, sensible narrative for their characters. That's what an organizational team can do for the SMP: stay out of the spotlight, help facilitate conversations between the ccs to discuss their characters/plan out events, and help them follow through a schedule the ccs decide.

Are there drawbacks to this? Absolutely. We've already seen them in action with how easily misinformation spreads to ccs through their fans. (Just look at EvanMCGaming's "summaries".) However, while there are drawbacks to everything, there are ways to mitigate these risks and even convert them into benefits.

A background team who has proven they're knowledgeable and committed to preserving the actual canon story (rather than inserting their own headcanons/fanon/misinterpretations) can facilitate conversations/opportunities for the ccs to discuss their characters with each other and clear up any misconceptions they may have about the story. This team must also allow the ccs to build their own characters rather than forcing their own opinions on the ccs. If asked, the team may assist the ccs with remembering dropped plots/missed opportunities that can be picked up for future development, but all character decisions must be made/approved by the cc playing said character. This isn't a writing team in that they're drafting scripts/taking control of the characters (that's what fanfiction is for); it is a team dedicated to providing the ccs the opportunity to tell the stories they wish to tell.

TL;DR: In order for the DSMP's story to remain successful and finish strong, a team must be assembled to encourage communication between the ccs, assist ccs in organizing lore events, and maintain the canon narrative that has already been established, all the while remaining out of the public eye. (AKA: Dream, hire me.)

[cdroloisms]

Curious on your thoughts. What were cPunz and cDream doing in the main cell before cTommy arrived? Like what possible reason do they have to be in there, the place of cDream’s torture?

Since cPunz seemed so adamantly upset about cDream’s torture, “unspeakable things.” Do you think cDream told him details? Clearly they were open with each other about limbo, but cDream also doesn’t seem the type. Or do you think he found out some other way? Also if cPunz and cDream have truly tortured others and themselves in the name of science, then when Punz says “unspeakable things” that would be on a huge scale wouldn’t it? Which really begs the question, what the heck happened in Pandora’s box.

Also, if cPunz could always revive cDream, then why did cDream beg so much in prison for his life. Would it not be easier to do your plans secretly when everyone thinks you are dead? Was daily torture for months truly preferable to death? Which makes me wonder, what is cDream’s limbo that he would rather be tortured and would make cPunz so angry when they killed cDream. And if limbo changes then why is he trying so hard to avoid it. Clearly, Death no longer holds the same meaning, so why does cDream seem to want to avoid death so badly?

All good questions! A lot of which I'm... not sure if I have the answers to, honestly, but I'll throw some thoughts here.

I have suspicions that c!Dream's death meant more than it looked like on the surface. c!Dream fights hard against his death in the prison arc, we know that there's issues with the 'balance' as referenced by several characters atp (c!Punz, c!Dream, XD, idk abt any others) and death + revival obviously has meaning and implications that have not been fully explained. c!Dream and c!Punz going from seemingly doing nothing to gunning for the plan, encouraging c!Tommy and c!Tubbo to collect the server to their location to 'try and stop them' in an effort that they're apparently completely confident will fail? Yeah, that was sus, and c!Dream's death - as far as we can tell - seems to be the catalyst for all of it.

I think whatever was happening in the main cell could have to do with c!Punz and c!Dream's apparent planning - or it could have little meaning at all. It's hard to say, honestly. There's a lot of things that were happening all at the same time and the way that said events were carried out and the circumstances around them are rather convoluted, not to mention how we haven't gotten some of the apparent finales yet. The Incident, whatever it was that caused the white flash and (seemingly) caused the Reset, has been heavily implied as not being the nuke ooc by cc!Tubbo - and the only real thing we can point to as being able to create a server reset (at this point in time) is what c!Dream and c!Punz said about making the world reset. (Personally, I think that also adds some fun context to "it's too late" as well as being an interesting mirror to c!Tommy setting off the nuke and then having a chance for reconciliation right before it hits, but that's not really proof in of itself.)

The Limbo experiments feel ... interesting. I believe that they happened to some degree, for sure. We all know about Vikk and Lazar (though the months claim is something I'll admit I'm suspicious of - iirc, c!Lazar and c!Vikk were both seen right around Doomsday, and c!Dream was imprisoned by the 20th of that same month. That gives them at most 2 weeks, unless they did some more human experimentation post-prison break.) Changing Limbos in some manner also feels accurate - again, to some degree. c!Tommy's Limbo is different the two times we've seen it, for example (but then there's interesting things to consider like Ghostbur and c!Wilbur sharing a Limbo, for example.) Frankly, it's hard to make claims on Limbo imo because everything about the death mechanics in the DreamSMP is just so ,,, variable? Like we don't really have anything to go off of except for their word, and like. We're talking c!Dream and c!Punz talking to c!clingy, here. Not exactly what I'd consider the pinnacle of reliable narration

I don't think c!Dream would willingly tell c!Punz details on the torture without some rational reason to justify to himself. Whether that means what c!Punz knows comes from extrapolation or c!Dream unwillingly telling him (because he's not lucid or something, as an example) or because c!Dream tells him as a warning for some kind of post-prison Limbo experiment (like, fyi, pulling a knife on me might make me have a panic attack lol) - I don't think I have a particularly firm opinion either way. And that, of course, is assuming that c!Dream told him anything at all. c!Punz was keeping an eye on the server, after all, and he could've just. Known about c!Quackity torturing c!Dream (considering he was trailing blood literally all over the server) and filled in the gaps himself.

[kyyuis]

The fandom and it's double standards with c!Clingyduo and c!Crimeboys

.....And some c!Tommy and c!Wilbur critical. Trust me it's not that bad

All of this is /rp /dsmp!! This is about the character's, not the CC's! Ignore this post if you just wanted another au idea from me/j

Wilbur and Tubbo are treated like side characters and even villians by the fandom.

Whenever people talk about how Dream is a abuser it's always about Tommy and not Tubbo or, I may get flamed for this, Wilbur?

I always see the same overused tweet where it's like "aweeeee Tommy was manipulated to believe Dream was his friend in exile and Tubbo still didn't visit him!! He's such a bad person for leaving his friend behind!!" When the exact same thing happened to Tubbo?

There was a whole bit during the exile arc where Tubbo literally said that "people don't want to hang around me, they just want a laugh" and "Dreams my only friend"? Even if it was meant as a lighthearted bit it's still fucked up to see people baby Tommy but villianize Tubbo for the same thing told in different povs.

I've also seen videos upon videos where Tubbo is the 'mean one' and he 'always insults Tommy' just so people can have a crumb of Alliumduo comfort, when it's actually switched? We've seen multiple times in season one where Tommy would actually insult Tubbo in a non playful way, even calling inanimate objects worth more than Tubbo. Notice how the fandom always quotes that line, but they never criticize Tommy for saying it? It's always "the disks were important to him!", then what was L'manberg?

I think we as a fandom need to realize L'manberg was Tubbo's equivalent of the disks. And that he was manipulated by Dream.

He chose L'manberg over people, Just like Tommy did. He kept fighting to to keep it, just like Tommy did. He would not let L'manberg go buried because it was his only source of freedom he felt, just like Tommy did. He used it as somewhat of a comfort blanket for him, just like Tommy did. He lost L'manberg multiple times, just like Tommy did.

The difference is that Tubbo matured and moved onto new things, while Tommy still clung to the disks.

Their trauma is the same font but their reactions to it are different, and it really shows how the fandom only acknowledges characters if they can woobify them. Same goes with Wilbur. Tubbo and Wilbur are victims, but the fandom loves to depict them otherwise.

Wilbur is a little more tricky and I can see people not liking his character for doing actual bad things as good reason, but slandering him for showing signs of clear mental illness and even villanizing it? Yes, mental illness is a reason, not a excuse, and from the outside it seems like the fandom knows that, but the thing is they praise Tommy for the same signs.

Insulting people without reason and pushing people away? He's just a child! Calling his best friend worthless and not even apologizing for it? That's just little old Tommy! Originally planning to blow up L'manberg along with Wilbur? He's not like Wilbur! He was manipulated!

Wilbur was a victim of Dream, even if it isn't your run-of-the-mill victim. Just because he agreed to be Dream's vessel doesn't mean he was not one, he was just a willing one. And I think that is what indicates his mental health back then the most. He was so unwell back then he wanted to be used, not treated like a person. Only a vessel.

Can victims like this do bad? Yes, Wilbur and Tommy and even Tubbo have made bad choices in the past. But that's not what I'm getting at. What I'm getting at is that the fandom refuses to consider this with them like they do Tommy.

I myself am a Tommy apologist, but the fandom has to acknowledge that in season one he was a horrible friend. People love to point out Tubbo's and Wilbur's flaws but turn around and say that Tommy's actions are excused because "He's a child!"

You know who else was a child? Tubbo. Yet, when you mention that the fandom goes dead silent. When you mention that Wilbur was also a victim, the fandom goes dead silent. The only time the fandom only mentions it is so they can center it around c!Tommy in some way.

Another point i think needs to be brought up. Whenever someone mentions Wilbur's apologies to everyone, it's always how Tommy never got one, not Tubbo. Where is his apology for Manberg? For Pogtopia? For when Wilbur outright said he forgave Techno for it Infront of him? For being blown to bits when Wilbur could have helped?

In conclusion, Wilbur and Tubbo are just as much victims as Tommy and I want to see them treated like such

[itssideria]

[/rp. gonna preface this w saying tommy is my favorite character on the smp, c!dream is a Villain and i am always waiting for him to get fucked up, and i do actually care a lot about the lore and the integrity of the storywriting!!]

anyways, uh. yeah too many people in the dash are making this about c!tommy, so. reminder!

c!tommy is not the main character. he is not the only only character. the storyline is not exclusively about him. too many people in the dash are treating him like he is, and i don't know if its just being emotional in the heat of the moment or if it's actual, honest crit, but it's dismissive and hypercritical and weird. i have my own reservations with that stream--bad pacing, weird progression between plot points, a lack of flow and no follow-through on build-up--but 'the way they talked about tommy' is not one of them. and i'm seeing a lot of narrative/character decisions being criticised when they honestly make a lot of sense?

first up! tubbo! pretty much everything this boy did today was to save michael. literally the only goal was to save michael. through that lens, pretty much anything touting tubbo's decisions as unrealistic falls flat. "tubbo should not work with techno!" his son is kidnapped and he needs a valuable ally. "so he should just team up w the man who freed his best friend's abuser?" yes, because his son is kidnapped and he needs a valuable ally. "how dare he accept techno's apology so fast?" his son is kidnapped and he needs a valuable ally. "why's he forgiving him?" that's?? tubbo's thing? that he forgives and forgets, over and over, especially when it doesn't serve him? we've seen this before! it's not new! quite frankly nothing tubbo did this stream was new for his character, come on now!

the techno crit is slightly different. as someone who has disliked c!technos hypocrisy and refusal to apologise for months, can someone tell me why exactly we're mad at him for finally apologising today?

i understand the gist of it--it was rushed, fast, not well spoken, awkward. tubbo said sorry first before techno responded. tldr, it wasn't a good apology. guess what! that's all true. but, guess what else! that doesn't negate the fact that it is still an apology. it is still an attempt to set things right. and like--techno did a lot of things that showed him trying to set things right. he let tubbo take charge of the mission ("techno, why are you walking in front?" "i can walk in the middle.") he lent him ranboo's axe. he encouraged him to hold all of ranboo's things in the vault. he told tubbo to fuck sam up. he invited tubbo to live where it was safe in the antarctic commune. technoblade is, for the first time, literally doing all the right things. whether his progression was too fast is its own crit, seperate from this stream. but for fuck's sake, you can't demand for him to do something specific for once and then get mad when he actually does it. just! holy shit! let the man breathe!

and of course, all of this comes around to center on a character that wasn't even brought up--tommy. i don't know how to word this except by saying that like. this isn't tommy's stream. they are fully, unequivocally allowed to Literally Not Care. especially in the case of cc!tubbo and cc!eret, who are trying to ease themselves back into lore for the first time in months. they're allowed to focus on the plot being advertised as the main draw of the stream and not bring up tommy. yes, even if it means making jokes about the prison. yes, even if it means ignoring that technoblade freed dream. the characters openly acknowledged that they were only teamed up because of this very specific set of circumstances, and tubbo still stood up to their bullshit and demanded an apology. again! pacing and execution was a little iffy. but they are quite literally allowed to fuck up and just not mention certain things. these are all things that are happening for now--who knows! maybe tommy will be brought up next time!! maybe eret will shit on techno for freeing dream! maybe techno will face consequences and have to apologise!!! None Of Us Know!!! i joke that i can't watch any lore without making it about tommy, but this is genuinely getting toxic. it's not supposed to be about tommy. the cc's are trying to give us something cool, and i liked their attempt! please stop crucifying their every move.

[cmyknoise]

ty for your post about trusting wilburs writing. reading it is helping me quell some fears since a lot of the anxiety on dash has been getting to me. i know its a bit silly but thanks for spreading a positive mindset

yeah!

things have been doom posty lately i know that!

i mean i know people instantly went into 'fear' mode, i did too, but for a second i just sat back and realized it'll be okay

this is cc!wilbur.

he's what brought us the l'manburg plot, the election plot, hell he brought us ghostbur, who only existed for 5 months mind you, and is arguably one of the most remembered and beloved characters for so so many people.

he has a decent control over his character, and although i do wish some things were done differently (such as the apology to techno), i do think it's still very much in character! he's good at that.

and besides, we also know cc!wilbur is the big inniter, big man inniter. he'll handle his and tommy's relationship well too.

things can be scary when the end is within our sights, but well, all good stories and characters come to an end. wilbur was very careful in his portrayal of c!wilbur as to not be offensive and stereotypical over mental health, and he's said as such before, that he treats his character carefully. tommy has done the same.

i think he knows the gravity his character holds and i think he'll do well by it.

i know all us c!wilbur fans want the absolute best- him making a new home or rebuilding l'manburg or whatever grand big thing we want him to end on.

i don't think we'll get that, but, again that's in character. he ended with a big bang once before. and we learned well, with wilbur, that's not the best, and its truly not what he wanted.

c!wilbur at his core is a very simple man with simple wants. and i think, in the end, we’ll get a good ending. it may not be perfect, but it’ll be good.

i think we'll get the apologies for most people (i know some people want him to speak to eret and fundy in particular. i do too. i'm unsure though whether fundy is ever going to log onto the dream smp again because it's been a very very long time since we've seen him on it, it'd be very nice though, i think fundy deserves an apology. eret has been on a lot lately so i'm holding out for eret finally getting some peace too)

there are some, like niki or others where i think phil's advice may actually come into play. not everyone will forgive or even want to hear wilbur's apology, and so he has to let them go.

and he made it very clear in body language and setting that he intends to apologize to tommy.

i think in the end, we’ll see the beginning of something else. i think we’ll see him happy, and you know what? that’s a good ending, and it’s really all he needs. to be happy, and to learn to love himself. something he struggles with a lot, and to realize that people still love and care for him, despite what he may have done. i think that’s all we’d really need for a good ending. if there’s more? great! but a simple ending can be a good one. 

besides, that’s the core of this smp isn’t it? the core of wilbur. to want safety, to want to be happy. that’s why l’manburg was founded. 

he said there's 3-5 streams left for c!wilbur. now that doesn't even mean he's 100% not going to be seen again. after his hitting on 16 stream he said that his story will come to a close, but if he's needed for others he may show up in the background.

ranboo has plans, im sure tubbo and tommy's stories aren't as close to being over as wilbur's. we may see him again, just not as a focal point. we may not get a stream from him. but that's okay.

like i said, i trust him and how he'll handle his character. he's written arguably the best arcs in this smp. he's made it what it is. we wouldn't even have the dream smp if he hadn't decided to have fun roleplaying and introduced others to the idea of how fun it is.

and you know what? it's not like we wont ever see any more characters from wilbur. i very very much encourage you and anyone else who hasn't to watch origins smp. wilbur plays a very fun ghost, and there's a lot of familiar faces! and some others. people like sneegsnag, captain sparklez, scott smajor, shubble, etc. and new people planned to get added too!

i believe ted nivision and georgenotfound were teased to join? and i know quackity is whitelisted.

its fun! and there's still fun dynamics with his character there (sbi is pretty much canon. crimeboys are canonically phil's sons. i dont think techno is however he is a very close friend to wilbur and tommy when he plays, and usually does things for them)

once c!wilbur's story ends, it just means he can focus on other things! we heard today just how much he as on his plate. once he has more room to do things, we may get other smps, other roleplays, other content. stuff to look forward to :D

so, dont be sad! its alright. wilbur will do well, he always does.