#dsmp fandom critical

[hopalongfairywren]

I mourn for every female dsmp character and how they were shitcanned into the 'loving female familial figure/cold heartless bitch' archetype if they weren't outright ignored by everyone in the fandom ok

[cdroloisms]

always absolutely fucking hilarious when sbiers in their self-righteous need to assert themselves as better than everyone else in the same way they've done since 2020 even when they're apparently 'out of the fandom' and consider the whole thing cringe and dead (skill issue, methinks) go all um acktually no one cared abt any of the lore except for c!sbi. like well for one thing i don't know of a c!sbi personally speaking i'd like for you to point out to me where character sleepy boys inc ever like, existed, because it certainly wasn't in any dream smp i watched like is there even a single moment where the four of them interact together alone??? and secondly, it's always reeeeeeally obvious when they mean this as a diss on The Other Side Of The Fandom (read, dream team and co) when two-thirds of the dream team just did nawt have any interest in being part of the 'main characters' in the first place and would much rather do their own thing and roleplay in ways that wouldn't get picked apart for ages on twitter dot com, and the other member of the dream team played a character so integral to the lore that even c!inniters will often name him before they name their own goddamn guy because they cannot keep his name out of their mouths (see, the meme i saw like literally just yesterday that boiled down to me, after learning the dream smp lore: i need to kill c!dream). like bro yall are c!inniters you're not fooling anyone you think that the entire story revolves around this one teenager being abused and then completely ignore the months of abuse that was shown on screen for us before exile. "c!sbi" like cmon now guys the ao3 pages are like, right there, we all know who ends up being the villain for ur sbi fanfic that has its foundations in a dynamic that literally never existed in canon.

like "no one cared about anyone's lore except for wilbur and tommy--" well yes they were in fact some of the main fucking characters. imagine someone going up to you and going "well no one cared about the lore in the star wars original trilogy except for luke and leia" like damn really?? (now imagine this same person trying to convince you that darth vader's role was unimportant, actually.) like yeah the dream smp involved a lot of separate storylines and each of those storylines might've had their own "main cast" of characters but i'm also not blind bro, the story that started at the start of the fucking server and the start of the fucking lore was ABSOLUTELY the "wilbur-dream-tommy" triangle that is, in fact, the story that the l'manburg revolution was built on and the story that remains the throughline literally until tommy and dream have their confrontation with a nuke coming down over their heads, something that the characters themselves acknowledge with the repetition of the idea of tommy and tubbo against dream. LIKE ALKJSDFKJSADF yeah bro there were main characters in the tommy-dream-wilbur story an that's also the story that people tended to be invested in in the beginning, to the point where even other self-contained stories in the dream smp absolutely referenced and emulated it (cough cough, las nevadas). like, why are we acting like it's at all groundbreaking for people to be invested in THEEE fucking story the one that first started to exist because at the time basically no one else was part of The Roleplaying Trio and then slowly got padded out and developed as the server developed more and more into the lore server?

and it's the fact that none of these people, too, would deny that they care about ex. c!schlatt in manberg, right, or c!quackity in relation to c!wilbur's deal, etc etc whatever. like breaking news you gaf about The Story as a dream smp fan wow am i supposed to be like, surprised. do you want a medal. LIKE LKJASDJF

[dream-critical]

avid techno enjoyer and retired technostannie and i will never forgive dream stans for what they’ve done to techno after his death. they bring up the man every chance they’ve got and its always to defend dream and makes him seem like a good guy in some way. absolutely fucking disgusting for that. you people gross me out.

[call-me-apple]

One of my main peeves with the fandom was people's weird entitlement over lore and what the story should be like and then the creators made a finale like it was fucking custom made for me and my corner of fandom like it's absolutely crazy. Literally did not dare ask for this but thanks

[barzfrommarz]

thought i’ve had recently but why don’t we just let people be apologists for whatever dsmp character they want? Why is it such an issue and why do some people automatically accuse anyone who says they are apologist for c!dream of supporting irl child abuse?? Like you do realize the dsmp is fictional and some of the people you could be accusing this of could actually be victims of abuse themselves and this could really be hurtful to say. I don’t like c!dream apologist either but that’s because I think their takes are bad, not because i’m assuming they support child abuse because of a fictional character they like.

[cellberry]

Okay one more take, it is kinda fucked up to say a mentally-ill character could’ve only ever found peace upon the successful completion of their despair-induced suicide mission.

[imsosocold]

Grossyuckcreepy trans fem c!dream. She watches meat rot and cheese mold and milk curdle. She eats hives whole honey raw bees and all. She licks bugs off from the undersides of rocks. She spends hours looking for the perfect sticks and twigs to make nests out of them to put own knick knacks into before she sets them all on fire. She makes paper mache masks out of the dirty newspaper she uses as blankets.  She takes mud baths then makes pies out of it. She doesn’t wash her bras. If she got periods she would just let the blood drip down as she watched. She’s made out of mothballs and dust bunnies and moss and cobwebs and dried pigeon poop. She lives on hate and lexparo. She is forced feral but still flowery and festive with it. She turned Spirit’s leather into a leather jacket. She will never say anything directly to but she knows you. She acts into the preconceived biases and perceptions you have of her but will still  laugh at you for believing in them in the first place. She will play the blame game better than you can. She’s been through hell and back and even that won’t stop her. She bites and peels her nails and the skin around them until they’re infected but she still will claw your eyes out. She’ll eat you alive even if it makes her choke.“Fuck the system” when she was the one who created it even on accident.  She’s not sure if she hates you or herself more.  She’s fem coded through her rage. She’s fem coded through her caretaking. She’s fem coded in being dismissed. She’s fem coded in how she’s blamed for everything. She’s fem coded  in how  she’s disproportionately “ punished” yet it’s “justified.” She’s fem coded in the way people watched her spiral but did nothing to try to stop or help her. She’s fem coded in the way her flaws and actions are treated like unique independent evils. She’s fem coded in the way her words are used against her and applied to her in a way that doesn’t happen with other characters. She’s fem coded in the way everyone takes everyone else’s words on her rather than her own or even their own histories with her (including young teen boys words.) She’s fem coded in “ the discs are the only thing you even care about” vs “ the discs are worth more than you ever were.”  She’s fem coded in the way she is always watching her back waiting to be attacked. She’s fem coded in keeping things so close and yet so hidden to herself  that there’s no way they could ever end up being associated with her.  She’s fem coded with c!T in a codependent crushing mom sort of way. She’s fem coded in the way the sea angels that watch you sink are; both of you with open mouths in an attempt to survive with you trying to get air that’s not there and then trying to get something to eat. She’s not fem as female or feminine or femme but fem as in fuck you. 

Next is how c!Schlatt is is femcoded such as through girlbossing-

*gets hit with a squeaky sounding anvil* 

[eldest-of-katts]

I'm so tired of people acting like tubbo and ranboo and tommy are all still fifteen. It's been years. Time passes. Accept your temporal nature. They are adults. They pay bills. They are adults. They can drink. They are adults. Accept that you have aged. Accept the fact that the time when they were children has passed. Accept that change happens. They are learning and growing as people. You should too.

You can't hold that moment forever. Time passes, it is like water. You can try to hold it, you can freeze it in time like ice, but if you hold too tight to ice, it melts. Let it go. Trying to dam a river only builds up pressure. Let it go. The water is stagnating. Let it go. The flow of time brings with it greater joys even in the sorrow of that lost moment.

I understand that urge to sit in the good times, to pretend that the moment is still here. But I am tired. I know that it was fun watching the dsmp and seeing these guys have fun and you want to hold on to that. This isn't the way. Keep the memories but know that they are adults.

Sincerely someone (of the same age as them) who is annoyed that three people in their twenties are constantly treated like they're twelve.

[hopalongfairywren]

c!puffy

yeah we put your girl in the fandom and they villainized her beyond comprehension. yeah sorry they took out all the nuance and made the argument completely black and white. yeah my bad. we can’t reverse it. sorry.

[hopalongfairywren]

Why does nobody draw c!Hannah or Niki or Puffy or Tina with scars. Like these women lived through WARS. Niki was in multiple. Hannah was fucking blown up. Where are her burn scars anything besides maybe mildly ripped wings. Puffy was a pirate and has survived multiple assassination attempts. I know you guys can draw scars you draw them on your male faves alllll the time. The women don't need perfect unblemished skin guys. You can give them scars or acne or something.

[dream-critical]

“techno would have loved the music video” stfu techno liked disrespecting HIMSELF thats what makes it fun its not fun when some asshole of a friend is doing if after hes fucking dead for money and cloud. dream fans finding a way to never fault dream no matter what is fucking sickening btw. take his name out of ur goddamn mouth.

[dykecubes]

something else I wanted to point out in my post abt misogyny behind the scenes on the dsmp is how, when Niki first came forward very shortly after the dsmp ended to say there was a lot of misogyny from major male ccs behind the scenes, dt fans quickly accepted this as true because she didn't mention any names so it was easy to point fingers at wilbur or other men on the server and pretend her allegation didn't also very much implicate the dt, now that Connor, Sophie, Andi, and others have backed up Niki's claims of misogyny and confirmed that the dt were very much perpetrators of it as well they've suddenly stopped believing her

like idk I feel like nobody has mentioned Niki being basically the first to come out about the misogyny behind the scenes at all and how much of what she said lines up with what Connor said at the beginning of his stream, I just feel like it highlights the hypocrisy and contradictions from dt fans trying to justify why their faves couldn't possibly be perpetrators of misogyny

[hopalongfairywren]

And it's not like it's lost media. You can watch or rewatch the streams if you want. I'm kind of sick how people treat the egg in fanon as a side plot if you want. It's really good.

(not maintagging this because it comes out more aggressive than it means to be. this is just an unserious rant.)

first of all, i do think qsmp as a whole has been kinder to cc!bad. the qsmp’s more dnd-like format is more inclusive in general, there’s net 0 creators who constantly swear at him, and the fandom does treat him better (the bar is low though). i’m more than grateful for that. 

that being said. i dislike how everyone acts like cc!bad was bullied into a corner on the dsmp. yes, a chunk of creators and fans only saw him as a “language” joke, thats an unfortunate fact. but i see a lot of people ignore the fact that cc!bad saw this, and in response created a whole fucking storyline that was designed to allow everyone to join in on it. 

bad, ant, and sam created the egg arc because they disliked the current political storylines and wanted to experiment with scifi-horror. this was after the badlands were formed, and after they realized that they were locked out of a lot of l’manberg conflicts. they didn’t sit around waiting for lore to be handed to them, they created it themselves. to act as though bad didn’t have the chance to create a complex character on the dsmp, or that every cc didnt take him seriously, is devaluing his work. the ccs involved in the egg arc did see c!bad as a threat. they respected his work, they participated in his lore. and there were a lot of them! you just maybe just didn't watch them.

if YOUR streamer only saw bad as a “language” joke, whatever. if YOUR side of the damp fandom never paid attention to egg lore, thats fine. but dont act like every cc did, or that the egg arc didn’t have a following. its true that it was very underrated, but cc!bad is also not this helpless baby who needs his hand held to create an engaging character. he saw he was the largest streamer among the egg arc ccs, and used that platform to bring everyone else up. he put in the fucking work, and it’s not his fault that people still refuse to acknowledge it.  

i see ex-dsmp fans praise the qsmp fandom for respecting bad, and then turn around and beg him to not reference egg lore. the same people who love karmaland, ordem paranormal, and 2b2t references are telling bad that he can’t reference his story, that he put work in. why? for dislike of streamers who weren’t even involved in it? you cant be happy bad is seen as his own person, then turn around and boil his dsmp work down to bigger streamers you dislike.

again, i don’t blame people for not watching the egg arc. i don’t think anyone should be forced to watch every storyline, or keep up with every cc. i don’t know. it’s just frustrating i guess? me and other egg arc fans were creating content, character analyses, and lore masterposts all to hype up c!bad and it’s not our fault yall ignored it and are just now seeing bad’s a good roleplayer! idk! i know everyone’s trying to be nice, i love everyone who’s new to bad’s content, i dont want to gatekeep at all. but your dsmp experiences are not universal. the way your streamers treated bad was not the way everyone treated bad. 

[felidaefighter]

I hate how hard it’s always been for folks to be fans of multiple different creators and characters in the DSMP fandom. It’s frankly ridiculous. Like, I love SBI, and I also love Dreamteam, and I love beeduo, and I love skephalo and the MunchyMC crew. All of them. Every single one. But some people in the fandom act like each of these groups are warring factions and you’re a Traitor To The Cause if you post about more than one, especially if you post about Dream on your DreamSMP blog. It’s baffling. No wonder so many blogs get shoehorned into only posting about one or two creators

[imsosocold]

[ladyddanger]

I would take criticisms of c!Tommy a lot more seriously if a lot of it wasn’t just… victim blaming and ableism. This isn’t to say there’s no valid criticism of c!Tommy there 100% is. But a lot of “popular” criticisms of c!Tommy and the way these criticisms are stated is nasty. Like c!Tommy has so many flaws! But then you get people listing his flaws are like being mean to his abuser and it all falls apart.