#dsmp fandom critical

[hopalongfairywren]

I mourn for every female dsmp character and how they were shitcanned into the 'loving female familial figure/cold heartless bitch' archetype if they weren't outright ignored by everyone in the fandom ok

[cdroloisms]

always absolutely fucking hilarious when sbiers in their self-righteous need to assert themselves as better than everyone else in the same way they've done since 2020 even when they're apparently 'out of the fandom' and consider the whole thing cringe and dead (skill issue, methinks) go all um acktually no one cared abt any of the lore except for c!sbi. like well for one thing i don't know of a c!sbi personally speaking i'd like for you to point out to me where character sleepy boys inc ever like, existed, because it certainly wasn't in any dream smp i watched like is there even a single moment where the four of them interact together alone??? and secondly, it's always reeeeeeally obvious when they mean this as a diss on The Other Side Of The Fandom (read, dream team and co) when two-thirds of the dream team just did nawt have any interest in being part of the 'main characters' in the first place and would much rather do their own thing and roleplay in ways that wouldn't get picked apart for ages on twitter dot com, and the other member of the dream team played a character so integral to the lore that even c!inniters will often name him before they name their own goddamn guy because they cannot keep his name out of their mouths (see, the meme i saw like literally just yesterday that boiled down to me, after learning the dream smp lore: i need to kill c!dream). like bro yall are c!inniters you're not fooling anyone you think that the entire story revolves around this one teenager being abused and then completely ignore the months of abuse that was shown on screen for us before exile. "c!sbi" like cmon now guys the ao3 pages are like, right there, we all know who ends up being the villain for ur sbi fanfic that has its foundations in a dynamic that literally never existed in canon.

like "no one cared about anyone's lore except for wilbur and tommy--" well yes they were in fact some of the main fucking characters. imagine someone going up to you and going "well no one cared about the lore in the star wars original trilogy except for luke and leia" like damn really?? (now imagine this same person trying to convince you that darth vader's role was unimportant, actually.) like yeah the dream smp involved a lot of separate storylines and each of those storylines might've had their own "main cast" of characters but i'm also not blind bro, the story that started at the start of the fucking server and the start of the fucking lore was ABSOLUTELY the "wilbur-dream-tommy" triangle that is, in fact, the story that the l'manburg revolution was built on and the story that remains the throughline literally until tommy and dream have their confrontation with a nuke coming down over their heads, something that the characters themselves acknowledge with the repetition of the idea of tommy and tubbo against dream. LIKE ALKJSDFKJSADF yeah bro there were main characters in the tommy-dream-wilbur story an that's also the story that people tended to be invested in in the beginning, to the point where even other self-contained stories in the dream smp absolutely referenced and emulated it (cough cough, las nevadas). like, why are we acting like it's at all groundbreaking for people to be invested in THEEE fucking story the one that first started to exist because at the time basically no one else was part of The Roleplaying Trio and then slowly got padded out and developed as the server developed more and more into the lore server?

and it's the fact that none of these people, too, would deny that they care about ex. c!schlatt in manberg, right, or c!quackity in relation to c!wilbur's deal, etc etc whatever. like breaking news you gaf about The Story as a dream smp fan wow am i supposed to be like, surprised. do you want a medal. LIKE LKJASDJF

[dream-critical]

avid techno enjoyer and retired technostannie and i will never forgive dream stans for what they’ve done to techno after his death. they bring up the man every chance they’ve got and its always to defend dream and makes him seem like a good guy in some way. absolutely fucking disgusting for that. you people gross me out.

[eldest-of-katts]

I'm so tired of people acting like tubbo and ranboo and tommy are all still fifteen. It's been years. Time passes. Accept your temporal nature. They are adults. They pay bills. They are adults. They can drink. They are adults. Accept that you have aged. Accept the fact that the time when they were children has passed. Accept that change happens. They are learning and growing as people. You should too.

You can't hold that moment forever. Time passes, it is like water. You can try to hold it, you can freeze it in time like ice, but if you hold too tight to ice, it melts. Let it go. Trying to dam a river only builds up pressure. Let it go. The water is stagnating. Let it go. The flow of time brings with it greater joys even in the sorrow of that lost moment.

I understand that urge to sit in the good times, to pretend that the moment is still here. But I am tired. I know that it was fun watching the dsmp and seeing these guys have fun and you want to hold on to that. This isn't the way. Keep the memories but know that they are adults.

Sincerely someone (of the same age as them) who is annoyed that three people in their twenties are constantly treated like they're twelve.

[hopalongfairywren]

And it's not like it's lost media. You can watch or rewatch the streams if you want. I'm kind of sick how people treat the egg in fanon as a side plot if you want. It's really good.

(not maintagging this because it comes out more aggressive than it means to be. this is just an unserious rant.)

first of all, i do think qsmp as a whole has been kinder to cc!bad. the qsmp’s more dnd-like format is more inclusive in general, there’s net 0 creators who constantly swear at him, and the fandom does treat him better (the bar is low though). i’m more than grateful for that. 

that being said. i dislike how everyone acts like cc!bad was bullied into a corner on the dsmp. yes, a chunk of creators and fans only saw him as a “language” joke, thats an unfortunate fact. but i see a lot of people ignore the fact that cc!bad saw this, and in response created a whole fucking storyline that was designed to allow everyone to join in on it. 

bad, ant, and sam created the egg arc because they disliked the current political storylines and wanted to experiment with scifi-horror. this was after the badlands were formed, and after they realized that they were locked out of a lot of l’manberg conflicts. they didn’t sit around waiting for lore to be handed to them, they created it themselves. to act as though bad didn’t have the chance to create a complex character on the dsmp, or that every cc didnt take him seriously, is devaluing his work. the ccs involved in the egg arc did see c!bad as a threat. they respected his work, they participated in his lore. and there were a lot of them! you just maybe just didn't watch them.

if YOUR streamer only saw bad as a “language” joke, whatever. if YOUR side of the damp fandom never paid attention to egg lore, thats fine. but dont act like every cc did, or that the egg arc didn’t have a following. its true that it was very underrated, but cc!bad is also not this helpless baby who needs his hand held to create an engaging character. he saw he was the largest streamer among the egg arc ccs, and used that platform to bring everyone else up. he put in the fucking work, and it’s not his fault that people still refuse to acknowledge it.  

i see ex-dsmp fans praise the qsmp fandom for respecting bad, and then turn around and beg him to not reference egg lore. the same people who love karmaland, ordem paranormal, and 2b2t references are telling bad that he can’t reference his story, that he put work in. why? for dislike of streamers who weren’t even involved in it? you cant be happy bad is seen as his own person, then turn around and boil his dsmp work down to bigger streamers you dislike.

again, i don’t blame people for not watching the egg arc. i don’t think anyone should be forced to watch every storyline, or keep up with every cc. i don’t know. it’s just frustrating i guess? me and other egg arc fans were creating content, character analyses, and lore masterposts all to hype up c!bad and it’s not our fault yall ignored it and are just now seeing bad’s a good roleplayer! idk! i know everyone’s trying to be nice, i love everyone who’s new to bad’s content, i dont want to gatekeep at all. but your dsmp experiences are not universal. the way your streamers treated bad was not the way everyone treated bad. 

[simplepotatofarmer]

the idea that people would blame the actual abuse victim for the death of his abuser's hostage instead of, y'know, the cop who held the person hostage and kidnapped said person's child is so wild to me. it really shows like, how so much of the fandom's opinions were formed based on what characters you liked (but mostly disliked).

which is fine until you start to do analysis, y'know.

[marsisnotgreen]

just a thought, but if almost everyone you used to work with is criticizing you, maybe you’re the problem 🤐

[dream-critical]

“techno would have loved the music video” stfu techno liked disrespecting HIMSELF thats what makes it fun its not fun when some asshole of a friend is doing if after hes fucking dead for money and cloud. dream fans finding a way to never fault dream no matter what is fucking sickening btw. take his name out of ur goddamn mouth.

[imsosocold]

[barzfrommarz]

hot take but the people with THE WORST takes on c!wilbur are c!crimeboys fans (c!tommy apologists who only view c!wilbur through c!tommy’s lens and refuse to look into the nuance of c!wilbur or c!crimes relationships but only likes their relationship because of the fact they can make more unnecessary angst for their fave) like seriously every bad take on c!wilbur there is always a c!tommy fan at the scene of the crime

[felidaefighter]

I hate how hard it’s always been for folks to be fans of multiple different creators and characters in the DSMP fandom. It’s frankly ridiculous. Like, I love SBI, and I also love Dreamteam, and I love beeduo, and I love skephalo and the MunchyMC crew. All of them. Every single one. But some people in the fandom act like each of these groups are warring factions and you’re a Traitor To The Cause if you post about more than one, especially if you post about Dream on your DreamSMP blog. It’s baffling. No wonder so many blogs get shoehorned into only posting about one or two creators

[simplepotatofarmer]

c!techno is woman-coded because fandom said he had a victim complex and was a guilt tripper for expressing his very real hurt.

also because other characters kept dismissing his emotions because they were inconvenient. (fandom also did this.)

and because everyone keeps erasing his agency for the things he decided to do and wanted to do and then pretending he had agency for all the things he was quite literally forced into.

[hopalongfairywren]

So there was this post floating around talking about how egg arc fans were unfairly blaming inniters and just generally being bitter over the lore, I think I might have even reblogged because well I do agree with the sentiment somewhat, I don't think it's suprising or wrong to be at least a little annoyed given the absolute chokehold The Disc plot side of the fandom had and still has. Like of course people are going to be annoyed when you make every part of the lore about c!Tommy. I have been annoyed when people tag the eggpire in unrelated fancontent. Like, it's dsmp lore, I'm not trying to act like egg arc fans are some uniquely silenced portion of the fandom, but yeah. People did and do butcher other characters (often with female characters, in misogynistic ways) to fit the narrative of their fics. It is hard to find a fic without it being mostly about c!Tommy/Tubbo/Ranboo/ what have you, without filtering through a bunch of tags. It is frustrating to see fans who never watched the egg lore call it 'half-lore' or a side plot. It is annoying to see a storyline that has very little to do with c!Tommy, be made about c!Tommy. In animatics, in fanart, and in that one guy's dsmp netflix recap. And you know, this isn't exclusive to inniters. c!Dream fans too, are guilty of the same kind of 'need a filler character so let me just use c!antfrost or something' tropes, just in different ways. This would be a lot more eloquent if I remembered what that post said, and I hope this doesn't come off as too harsh, but yeah. Making c!Tommy the main character in arcs he comparatively had little to do with, arcs which are already seen as background lore and not important due to a self maintained cycle, and seeing your favorite characters butchered is annoying. Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean it's not true.

[hopalongfairywren]

I'm still so mad Puffy got forever fridged when the premise for her being egged was actually fucking interesting. Also yeah, by smaller arcs/streamers, definately. The egg lore was pretty much the defacto 'background plot' with so little tie in to other events narratively, specifically with any other plot effecting the egg's, that it might as well be two seperate fandoms. And that's just the biggest one! Michael's radio lore, Puffy's bit with her captain's curse, the original eight lore stream that was supposed to have an Alyssa cameo or something, The syndicate (oh god the syndicate)... Also trying to find egg arc fiction was and still is hell because people would tag it in their benchtrio superhero au fics and then just not fucking add the egg, or only adding it for like one line. And of course my even more petty grievences are that even in fics which had the egg/eggpire, even in relatively canon aligned fics, they more often than not served little more than tools for the narrative to give benchtrio/sbi/dteam some easy villains to slaughter. My one complaint with the Inniter side of the fandom is literally that, and it's not really Tommy/Ranboo/Tubbo's fault to say, although bigger streamers definately didn't help over all, is that the egg arc was turned into a background character thing by the fandom at large, which just became a feedback loop. It was both forcing people with little to do with certain arcs because they were favorites (and butchering characterization) and butchering characters to fit them into being narrative tools that made the egg arc suffer in the fandom. This is mostly just me ranting because i'm sick of junk filling up the tags and making it unnavigable.

ppl talking about how fucked the dsmp was by saying the smaller streamers were left to dry are correct but it’s also downplaying how shit things were. smaller streamers got the worst of it and it was shit don’t get me wrong but literally everyone got fucked over by it. tommy got his shit continuously griefed to the point he couldn’t even really do anything on the server for a while, was left with no communication or help on his ending for weeks on end, and constantly had the story he was clearly trying to tell with some very serious themes belittled and treated horrendously. quackity had lore plans going on into season 2 scrapped because of how the server fell apart along with being treated horrifically by fans. wilbur had to write a fic instead of streaming, while ranboo had to scrap whatever arg he was planning to make a twitter lore dump so his character even had the slightest scrap of an ending. literally everyone but the dream team got fucked over by the communication and disdain towards lore on the server.

[dream-critical]

Dream stans literally demanding that Tommy's mother should make her son apologize is WILD to me. How fucking stupid can you be. She's a literal saint for trying to explain how 1) they do not have the fucking right to use Tommy's trauma against him and 2) Tommy didn't do anything wrong. I would've just told them to die personally

[bwunnydream]

that meme where the person puts a stick between the spokes of the bike wheel causing them to crash but it's dsmp fans who wanted the 'real' finale wondering why it never happened when they were the ones boycotting the dsmp and failing to have the attention span to read a few dms to understand they were spreading false allegations.