#it’s cdream so I don’t know

[cupidl0vesy0u]

Ask ctommy what's your opinion on cdream?

Got lazy and didn’t Finnish it- maybe I come back later to it :’)

[temporarytemporal]

cling to me

I know I said I was going to distance myself from this piece of media because of all of its terrible connections, but these two characters seem to have taken root in a permanent place in my heart, and I can't let them go.

Anyway, here's some character design notes below the cut for the one person out there who's obsessed with these characters as much as me.

Early DSMP: the era of childhood innocence

Bandanas: They sport each other’s bandana’s (they’re hidden in the design for every era). I love character designs with complementary colors (and I love how red and green are also cranboo’s colors)

Disks: Early on, cat and mellohi represent the peaceful moments ctommy shared with his favorite people, but they went on to be a symbol of victory and independence from the people who have hurt him.

Flowers: Ctubbo collects flowers and tries to memorize the meanings and symbolism tied to each type of flower. He also collects them for his bees.

L’manberg: the era where children became soldiers

Horns: Ctubbo’s horns start to grow in here.

Pogtopia: the era of an exile and a secretary of state / spy

You can tell I joined the fandom at the end of this era because I don’t have many notes here or for the l’manberg era.

Exile: the era of an exile once again and and a president too young

Hair: Ctommy’s hair starts to grow longer as he neglects taking care of himself.

Clothes: Ctommy’s clothes are tattered; one shoe is destroyed and he took to wearing cw-lbur’s (f-ck ccw-lbur btw!!) trench coat.

Bandages: Ctubbo’s wrapped in bandages from his recently earned firework burns. He’s gone blind in his right eye, and he’s missing the ring and pinkie finger on his right hand.

Compasses: They share their matching ‘your tommy’ and ‘your tubbo’ compasses

Hog Hunt: the era where one sought to kill the blood god while the other sought refuge there

Stolen goods: Ctommy’s has his antarctic empire outfit plus all the goods he stole from ctechno like the turtle helmet, golden apples, and the axe of peace.

Bedrock: Ctommy wears his counterpart piece matching techno’s from his ear.

Prosthetic: Ctommy’s right foot had to be amputated after he loses it to frostbite in the trek to cemeraldduo’s cabin. Ctechno gives him a simple prosthetic.

Disc Finale: the era of mended relationships and a final stand

Headband: Ctommy begins to wear a devil headband to fit in more, as he’s one of the few humans on the server. The devil horns were chosen to resemble ceryn’s real ones.

Patchwork: Ctommy learns to sew, and he fixes his tattered clothes from exile.

Post Revival:

Devil horns: Ctommy’s devil horns (plus a tail) become real after revival, and he gets a white streak in his hair.

Prime cross: The bad things that have happened to them both that they survived strengthen ctommy’s faith in prime, whereas they weaken ctubbo’s faith.

Sweater: Ctommy makes himself a sweater from friend’s wool.

Mechanical inventions: Ctubbo pursues his passion for engineering more as he makes mechanical bee drones and studies nuclear physics. He also makes himself prosthetic fingers, and he upgrades ctommy’s prosthetic foot.

Marriage ring: Ctubbo marries cranboo platonically and wears the ring on his horn. He also founds snowchester so he can have a place to protect his loved ones and raise his son. He grows out his hair to avoid eye contact for cranboo and to cover his scars.

Body type: Ctubbo gets chubbier and gains some muscle as he gets a bit happier in life.

Post DSMP:

The prison break and everything after it never happened. These are my OCs, and I make the rules because every actor/writer who played a part in their creation either abandoned them or turned out to be a terrible person. Cbenchtrio live happily ever after and begin their journey of healing while cdream rots in prison forever.

[mourninglamby]

for the ctommy asks, how do you feel about religious ctommy headcanons or the headcanon where butterflies follow him around because they like dead things?

I adore both of these headcanons a lot bc 1. It’s literally canon and 2. The Beauty in the Rot (OBSESSED!!!)

I think Tommy’s faith (twitch prime) is so interesting as both a comfort and a detriment at times… he worships and is blessed by patron saint drista with the sacred dagger to hunt those who hunt him and I am deeply gagged by that (they don’t know what they did) (I love psychosis but also I’m right). With the addition of cdream being religious as well…fucking insaneeeeeeee asylum. Insane. He uses his faith to get what he wants and justify torment or bond tommy to him even more than he already has 🙏☝️+ the whole I’m A God thing. BRUHHHH HIS SACRILEGE WILL KNOW NO PUNISHMENT IG 😭😭😭😭 sorry this became a c!disc ramble

[icebear4president]

Being a cTommy apologist means knowing that he DID do bad things, no one’s trying to hide the fact about that. But at the same time, he’s actually a good person, he doesn’t mean to hurt others. He definitely didn’t deserve half the things he went through.

He’s not a hero, he was never meant to be a hero, so he shouldn’t have to act like one. His family that he looks up with stars in his eyes use him then leave, his friends and the others walk away because they don’t understand that trauma responses work in different ways.

If cDream apologists can forgive cDream for all the fucked up things he did, than I can forgive the little boy with the too big uniform that the world screwed over one too many times.

[apollos-boyfriend]

there is not a day that goes by that i don’t think about the dropped plot of cboomer wanting to visit cdream in the prison. and i don’t just mean in the sense of finding out more about cboomer’s family but in the sense of like. what would sam have done? because we know how caught-up sam was at that point, how far he’d gone, how he’d turned his back on those he’d previously cared about (ponk, tommy, etc) for the sake of the prison. hannah even warns boomer about him, telling them that warden sam isn’t the same sam they know, and it drives me insane that we never got to know if that was true

because yes, warden sam was different to everyone. but would he have been different to boomer? boomer, who was the one person he trusted with his secret. boomer, who would later rescue him at the end of the world. boomer, who he’d known and cared about and loved for thousands of years. it’d have been so interesting to see sam, warden sam, cold, heartless machine sam, let down his guard for this one man to the surprise of everyone, or equally as interesting to see him still put up his guard despite his and boomer’s history. i literally feel myself lose years of my life every time i think about what they could’ve been,,,,,,

[mioakem]

i refuse to go by cc! ages just bc i don’t like how short of a time span that is so personally from when tommy joins to the end i hc it to be around 6-7 years. like when ctommy first joins he’s around 11, he turns 12 shortly after lmanburg gains independence, during elections/pogtopia hes 13-14, he turns 15 during exile, and then after the disc finale i personally hc there being like a 1-2 year time skip, just cause i think it makes more sense considering the formation of snowchester and las nevadas. ctommy is 16 almost 17 when he dies, he turns 17 right before cwilbur is revived, and then his 18th birthday was going to be the day after the finale but..well we know how that went.

so going by that, ctubbo and cranboo are both only a few months older than ctommy, so they’re also still very young throughout the whole thing (cranboo was freshly 18 when he died in my mind)

cwilbur was around 21 when he created l’manburg (making him around 10 years older than ctommy) and was 24 when he died. limbo lasted 13 years, so that means he’s technically 37 when he’s revived (that’s only his mental age tho, biologically he’s still 24)

cfundy is so complicated when it comes to his age that honestly i just gloss over him when thinking abt it most of the time, like it genuinely hurts my brain

cniki and cjack were both fairly young when they joined, i would say around 16

cquackity was 18 when he joined and turned 19 during elections, cschlatt was pushing 40 in my mind so do with that as you please

ctechno gets pretty complicated when it comes to his age, cause i do believe that him and cphil have been friends for a very long time but i dont rlly think ctechno is an old man so let’s just say they’re both ageless in a sense and move forward

i think that cdream would be a little bit older than cwilbur, but no one would rlly know his age aside from cgeorge, csapnap, and cpunz

[bleue-flora]

i wonder why cdream Said that ctommy being attachments to the server, bc that's not true like Even cdream had attachments before him like spirt. So i think it was to play with ctommy hero complex, like ctommy believes himself to be the hero of the story so what better than support this belief saying that he's the most important person in his plan and he is the cause of everything, to feed his ego so he would make sure he'd not question cdream's true plan. Like all the attachment vault was Made to make people pissed at him, so his speech to c!clingy literally played into what they wanted to believe for themselfs to make them feel like the role cwilbur give them

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

Yes. Absolutely. (Have you been reading my drafts - are you in my head? This has literally been something rotting my brain recently…)

Honestly, I rewatched a lot of it recently and I forgot how freaking nonsensical he is in the disc confrontation, like man makes no sense. They literally had wars over attachments before Tommy arrived. (Now mind you the difference is the level of respect in those wars and stuff but the point stands) Tommy in absolutely no capacity created attachments. Nor does he need to exist for there to be attachments. And like the fact that some people think the finale wasn’t staged is wild. Like man is talking nonsense, and Dream may have been obsessive, unhinged, violent before but he never straight up lied so obviously and contradicted himself so insanely before. I mean the fish (I think it’s Bekerson) on the wall is from before Tommy joined.

It’s so insane. One of the funniest things I noticed was that the Skeppy cage is directly behind them when he first brings up the prison [clip]. And then as Dream tells them how he’s going to put Tommy in the prison, the Skeppy cage is literally right behind him [clip].

And they don’t even question that it’s weird. Their dead animals are sitting in pens and they hardly question it either, before or after he reveals the revive book. In fact, they mean so little it’s not confirmed they weren’t real until Daedalus.

Like damn, it’s so crazy it makes me wonder if part of that was intentional. If he almost meant to sabotage his own plan. Like as some cry for help. If they don’t pick up on it then great it goes to his plan, but if they question the insanity then maybe they’ll take five minutes to actually listen to him and pull him off the ledge. Because I know I’ve self sabotaged myself before almost like subconsciously as some kinda cry for help. So maybe there was one buried in there. One everyone missed…

I don’t know. But everytime I watch it my heart breaks a little more at how little questions are asked, because you are exactly right, he played the role they set for him. He just acted as they expected, so there was no reason for them to question it. And he played at Tommy’s ego, because as everyone knows, 9/10 times manipulating a man, just requires going for the ego. ;D

[dreamsclock]

hey uhmmmmmuhhhhhm anyone else thinking about how cdream can probably never genuinely think about burning himself in lava because of how illogical it was. he planned the prison he knew it wouldn’t help him escape. it wouldn’t even kill him. he was doing it to cope and because he was so unstable and his logic-driven mind 100% would not be able to cope with that when he escaped i don’t think. like he can justify everything to himself EXCEPT that behavior because… really, he knows, there was no thought behind it except pain and exhaustion and dread.

[moonimscruffy]

Because it was ctommy’s birthday yesterday I would just like to put out one of my headcanons for him. I feel like Tommy is the only human in the dsmp, why? I don’t really know I just kind of got that feeling. Since Tommy is not related to Phil, my reasoning behind why Tommy and Wilbur became so close to the point they were like brothers was because Wilbur looks very human. I think cwilbur would be some kind of bird demon thingy that just so happens to look human. I also think cdream looks very human which, most definitely, fucked with Tommy during exile since he just wanted someone to relate to, someone who is a human.

[swordfright]

oh good you're not one of those freaks!!!!! what do you think of cdream grooming ctommy? i think he probably was conditioning him a lot to be 'his' only.

if i recall correctly, there is a line where c!dream says his goal during exile was to train c!tommy to be unquestioningly loyal to him. i can’t remember which stream it’s in and i don’t have time to go hunting for it right now, but i’ll look for it tomorrow if i have time. to be completely honest, this line is the only text evidence we have of c!dream intentionally conditioning c!tommy, as far as i know. i could be wrong about this, but i thiiiiink c!dream also delivers this line a pretty long time after exile, so it’s possible he’s telling the truth, it’s possible he’s lying, and it’s also possible that he’s retroactively trying to make his actions during exile “make sense” (i.e. fit into some grand strategy, rather than being part of a very cruel manic episode).

since we have so little text evidence for this, idk if i’m comfortable using the word “grooming” in this context, especially given that it carries csa implications.

i do find the various ways c!tommy and c!dream rationalize exile (to themselves, to each other, and to other characters) fascinating. c!dream’s description of his own behavior during exile as “theater” when he’s talking to c!sam during the daedalus arc is one of my favorite lines. there’s a LOT to unpack there.

[rouge-fauna]

hi! What is the core feeling for You cQ had for cDream while torturing? I think envy it's a Big one, bc he obviously didn't just wanted the Revival book, but i want to know what You think on the matter

Also hope you're okay :D

Hmm… hard to say. I like envy, that’s really good and my initial thought is anger. Anger at things not going his way, anger at how Dream ruined things for him, anger at how Dream won’t break, because I think anger is often what we see with violence. And we definitely do see it from Quackity in his visits. But that feels kinda boring doesn’t it?… but as far as how Q feels for Dream during torture I mean disgusted, loathing, frustrated, annoyed are kinda what I’d imagine. Envy is interesting because he probably is envious of Dream’s power both with the book and of the past. In some ways taking away Dream’s power I’m sure soothes his envy. So it fits well, even if I don’t think Q is particularly envious of Dream’s prison situation lol.… huh, yeah I don’t know. I’m probably not the best person to ask about emotions or feelings lol ;p (and yet my answer is somehow still long XD)

[theminecraftbox]

the thing i like abou coparent Sam it's that a lot of the things Briar says in the recent posts and a lot of the worst things dream thinks about him are true but Sam doesn't know this. He doesn't know that he actually kinda does cares more about dream diet and body bc he was pregnant, he is kinda desesperate bc Briar doesn't forgive him like dream did, he does just care about his feelings more than dream and Briar's and does kinda just want to hide from the things he's done and just brush it off the rug bc "now he's better and it's better". He just is not self aware of this and thinks he actually is a healthy parther now, and when cdream or Briar are mad or scared of him they are just not seeing his effort and should be more considerate and less mean to him. It makes him so interesting bc he's still an toxic person but he's first one in not knowing it

The heartbreaking thing about coparent Sam is that—eventually—he’s trying. It’s just not enough.

In the recent post about his apology to Briar, that’s the first time he’s letting himself make certain realizations out loud: in the setting of that conversation, he and Dream have been married less than a year. He’s been trying to get by on denial; put the past to rest by not thinking about it, by treating Dream well in the present.

In Scream Eureka, he is trying as hard as he can to do the right thing. If it weren’t for what he’s done in the past, if it weren’t for his history with Dream, he largely would be doing the right thing. Dream struggles with disordered eating and Sam’s trying to help (don’t worry about how that happened); Dream’s mentally ill and with significant physical health issues that Sam’s trying to support him through (don’t worry about who caused that).

He’s consciously trying to be a good partner! It’s just that he’s jumped over every intermediate step of contrition and amends and support and apology and SPACE that Dream needed, and that he needed. He’s tried to transform himself without the one fundamental change that was absolutely necessary: letting Dream go. So Sam’s patterns of controlling Dream’s behavior and space and autonomy remain largely intact and remain the main mechanism by which he interacts with Dream: only now theyre the mechanism by which Sam tries to be a supportive and caring partner.

It’s a heroic effort. It’s nowhere near enough and never will be for as long as he keeps Dream with him.

[hogletthe2nd]

omg srry this took a bit life got me, anyways small headcanon list for Kinoverse let’s GOOO

CTubbo was originally a bull hybrid, he was a longhorn I believe. I think I planned on changing the horns a bit because they reminded me to much of Tavros horns.

CRanboo is a mix between an end enderman and white water Enderman which FUN FACT, the white water enderman was inspired off that whole white enderman thing that happened a long time ago.

— Adding onto this, CRanboos childhood literally sucked. He probably has scars all over his body from other enderman biting, clawing, hurting him because he looked different. He also basically had no group/pack because of the fact that he couldn’t blend in to either of the environments.

CTommy use to have wings, CDream cut them off.

CWilburs wings are abnormally large, not in a cool way either. He can’t really lift them much anymore or fly with them. They tend to drag against the ground, and get dirty very quickly. Doesn’t take care of them either so..

— it gets so bad that they sometimes get stuck in the ground. Since he lives in a marsh type area. Later on they are cut off because they are way too messed up and damaged. They also impacted his life way too much.

CTechnoblade is the biggest hermit ever. After Phil dies, Wilbur and Tommy run away(both at different times) he becomes a shut in. He definitely won’t admit it though tbh.

CQuackity is a call duck hybrid, he also can’t fly. Maybe he can fall slowly like origins Tommy or something.

CSapnap is a failed antichrist.

CBBH is a cult leader, of what who knows I don’t yet.

Okay I’m gonna stop for now before it gets to long, ur turn @emeralds-and-piglins

[dnbcoded]

HELLO FELLOW DNB SHIPPER MAY I SUGGEST AN IDEA?

King Technoblade and Anarchist revolutionist Dream, are you picking up what i am putting down??

- 🧋🛼

ANON I SEE YOU... I was thinking a lot about this prompt, hence, little drabble. I actually think cTechnoblade would be the most anti-monarchy/autocracy king to ever exist, and it would amuse/confuse cDream, so this has a lot of potential to be fun.

Dream was starting to discover he was less of a prisoner and more of a… undomesticated pet, for the castle staff.

He was followed by the guards, sure, and any attempt of escaping was stopped before it even began. Technoblade’s staff was not only well trained, but truly cared about him, so he wasn’t allowed to get close to him nor leave the castle. 

However, aside from general disruption of peace —such as attempting to get rid of Technoblade, again— he was pretty much allowed anywhere and to do anything. If he wanted to eat, he could help himself in the kitchen or get a full meal by simply requesting. He was allowed to train with the guards, and talk to them freely, even though most of them just ignored any plea of being let go, and aside from that he wasn’t quite interested in them. He was let in the library to spend the afternoons he had to waste reading and writing letters. Hell, he was even allowed to send the letters. It’s like everyone had forgotten he was an actual leader of the anarchist movement in the country, that stood against everything the castle had built. 

It surprised him. But, mostly, it irked him to not be taken seriously. The wonders of being treated like a pest, at best, lasted for a week, and after that he took to hiding himself in his ‘room’ (a cell filled with pillows and carpets, more like), and wait out his sentence until he was liberated by his allies of Technoblade himself deemed him useless and tried to cull him. 

Anyway. 

— 

“I want you to explain your ideas to me,” Technoblade said, sitting in front of him with paper and a quill ready to write, a pair of thin glasses on the edge of his nose. “The ones about community management.”

“Excuse me?” Dream blinked, shocked into politeness. 

“In your speech, you mentioned ‘the people should get a hold of not only the means of production but also the distribution of punishment, thus, the power should belong to the people’. I am interested in how you arrived at this conclusion.” 

There is a silence where Dream doesn’t even know where to start.

“... Karl Marx?” He whispers at last. “I mean, I dunno, I think.” 

Technoblde raises his eyebrows. “Are you insulting my intelligence? Of course I’ve read him, they’re fine authors with even more enticing theories. But that’s all they are: theories. I want to know how you plan to introduce them into practice.” 

Dream considers this opportunity. In all of his life, he’s been told by others that at best he’s an idealist, at worst he’s a child without real purpose. And here’s the king of their country, holding him prisoner with no regard for his own safety —while Dream doesn’t think he’s stupid enough to confront him without a weapon, Technoblade is armorless—, and a genuine intent to learn. From Dream. He suddenly feels misplaced warmth. The only question left is—

“Why?” Technoblade as a ruler has no need to listen to his people. Historically, no ruler has had to worry outside of keeping a general sense of stability so that the people don’t starve and, thus, revolt. But Technoblade’s kingdom wasn’t gearing towards a violent takeover feed by starvation; the reason Dream was gathering both scholars and farmers alike was because he knew the aristocracy wouldn’t listen, and he wanted to step ahead from all their neighboring countries into establishing a democracy. Technoblade’s support could mean everything. 

“I haven’t been born into this kingdom as much as I was entrusted with it,” Technoblade says, a little sheepishly, to Dream’s surprise. “I don’t enjoy the autocracy, the lack of counsel. From where I come from, all decisions are given to a certain group of people that, while still privileged, have the town’s best interest in consideration. I would like to establish something similar in this country, but given the sheer amount of people to consider, not even mentioning the nobility that I’m sure wouldn’t be as kind to your folks as I am, I wanted to transition into what the people would like, rather than completely changing the rules overnight and risking an occupation. Am I clear?” 

Dream is still a prisoner, and despite Technoblade’s words, he’s distrusting of anyone that was brought up in a golden crate. However, this might just be his chance to do a less-murderous coup, if it ends up working up. Besides, he doubts his team is getting through the guards soon. He has time to kill. 

“Well.” Dream stars, tasting hubris in his lips and he licks them. He feels Technoblade’s vacant glare turn pointed, precise. “Since I was a kid, my father taught me that chores are better done in pairs.” 

[demonstars]

that one line in the dethroning vod where c!dreams says that everyone hates him therefore they hate c!george too like wow and that c!eret should be king cause hurting him wouldn't matter to c!dream :( he literally says to c!eret "I don’t think you’ll get attacked because people know that you’re not, you know, you’re not like George, you’re not just like right behind me, you know?" they are crazy for eachother in the best possible way

ANON I'M SUMMARIZING THAT PART FOR THE CDNF MANIFESTO AND IT'S MAKING ME WANT TO DIE IT'S SO UPSETTING ON SO MANY LEVESL. i'm trying to emphasize how this is the core of the cdnf conflict and how they both focus on different things here just based on their values and crazysisms. cgeorge doesnt give a fuck about what other people think of him, he just cares about how cdream is trying to replace him. he's good as a king! the best even! and that cdream doesn't see that is insulting! and cdream is like you're literally painting a target on your back by being the only one that doesn't care about the fucked up shit i do and (believing in the staged prison theory) this was even more against his plans because he needed everyone to be against him or at least be wary of him enough to not look for him in the prision. he wanted him safe and as far away of his plans as possible. x for credits on transcribing

[bleue-flora]

i've been thinking...is manhunt like canon on the lore? Multiple characthers mention it or call cdream the guy from manhunt. And tbh if we speculate it's part of his past, then it'd be a interesting backstory and could explain some of cdream characther.

Manhunt happens in a closed server only for him and his friends. There are rules set that always follow: 1. If dream dies it's over 2. Dream needs to kill the ended dragon. And it has this thing that death it's not so Big of a deal. Yes if dream dies the video is over but they'll just Spawn in a new world to start again.

On the dsmp dream now it's not only his Friends and him. It's other people who also breaks the rules, and i can see him playfully breaking rules with his Friends but with people not so close? Not sm. And not only the form of countries and stuff but not everyone is having fun anymore like in manhunt with the wars and stuff. Specially when this server wasn't meant to be the crazy battle ground manhunt is so he'll be specting some respect here.

Also his fear of death bc while in manhunt just meant "to the next world i Guess" now he has to confront that i'm the dsmp it means going to a hell space that mocks You for eternity.

And idk manhunts being his backstory could put Interesting visions of his present self tho i know it can contradict some stuff but i still find it interesting

It does make sense, and lots of fanfics include this as canon, and I’ve always thought it was cool. In the same way the duel is referenced and important for context. Though just as reasonable to not see it as canon. The idea of Dream’s grapple with death in the context of that is really interesting as you point out, with death still being serious (for him) - the end of the game, but also not truly permanent. Especially, early on he makes a point that the survival world is meant to be somewhere they take it slow. For once, they are not rushing to get gear into the end but spending more time building and fooling around and on the same team. So much so it is a rule he enforces onto other people preventing people from progressing to fast with gear ahead of other people or op farms and going to the end. Perhaps we could connect this to him fearing people going to the End as it means Game Over, (perhaps he even thinks that means permanent death) he doesn’t want the fun to stop - “I don’t want this to be temporary” - a mindset that’d make a lot of sense with a past of restarting over and over again, a mindset other people wouldn’t necessarily have without the same background…

In my Sweet Dream series, the manhunts and other silly videos they do like - every mob is a pig - is a dream Dream creates and has everyone in. Always with the same goal of beating the ender dragon (maybe he’s just not that creative to come up with other objectives lol) but new twists to have fun with his friends and save them from any of their nightmares by bringing them into his dream where he can control a lot of what happens… so that’s how I’m making it canon in that series, which I thought was pretty clever. :)