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If there are any, what parts of the fic did you have most fun writing and the most struggle writing?👀 love your work!! I just finished reading the latest chapter🔥
Ironically, my biggest struggle was sticking to the original premise. I had way more fun just letting my thoughts flow and writing wherever it took me!
For example, in the scene where Kyle corners Eric in the dressing room in chapter four, I originally planned for Kyle to just walk away. In the original fic, Kyle doesn’t even notice Eric at the mall. But when I got to rewriting it, I thought… I’m supposed to frame this as a yearning moment, where the audience and Eric are left pining over Kyle with no real interaction. That didn’t seem fun to me anymore, so I decided to deviate from the plan and give Kyle a bit more screen time with Eric.
I’m really happy with how it turned out. It let me explore how Kyle and Eric interact in the present, instead of relying on flashbacks to show their relationship.
#it also doesn't invalidate the original fic#since the flashbacks are still canon#another mirror festively
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character bashing anon here !! i definitely agree with you in the sense that i also don’t really care about “bashing” characters so to speak. in fact i am willing to read just about anything 😭maybe it’s bc i’ve been in fandom spaces for years, but it doesn’t really phase me to see characters deviate outside of their canon personalities (or in the case of the marauders, universally accepted fanon personalities) and controversially (to some people) i think “character bashing” (or “ooc”-ness) can be done really well 🤷♀️ also, re: some people saying sirius dating mary pre-wolfstar is “misogynistic” DRIVES ME CRAZYY. bc that is actually an insane take if you put it into the context of real life. like if sirius, mary, and remus were real people it would be wildly disrespectful to insinuate that wolfstar are misogynistic just bc sirius had a previous relationship with mary BEFORE he entered into a relationship with remus. you definitely don’t have to respond to this but i just wanted to say that i agree with you & you worded your original response perfectly!! 🫶
I AM INFACT REPLYING RE: SIRIUS AND MARY ACTUALLY BC I HAVE THOUGHTS HERE !! (when do i not have thoughts)
it's the same with jegulus fics where jily ends up getting together !! it all comes down to quantifying love 😖😖
no, it's not misogynistic that sirius was with mary before finding out he was gay, the fact that this one couple is endgame doesn't mean that any love/feelings before it is invalid !!! it just wasn't the love, yk?
yapping fr but that's why i loved the heir to the house of prince !! because nearly all of the characters had past-loves prior and during the first war that they lost, and it's done so well !!
there's no "cedric was nothing compared to theo" etc etc it's just,,, love. in all its forms. in all its forms and all its permanence because it doesn't just go !!! it stays with us !!! we are all a mosaic of people we have loved in any way, shape or form and UGH 😖😖
"lily is used as a surrogate" they say, in canon compliant jegulus fics,,, bc??? bc james loved someone else first??? bc james, a person so full of love, loved more than one person??? like whyyy. whyyyy are we limiting love? why do you not want to explore it in all its capacities and let characters be Loved.
let sirius and mary get together. let their relationship Matter because it did !! sirius realising he likes remus doesn't take away from that, it doesn't make it misogynistic, it's just teenagers figuring themselves out !! let teenagers love. even if they don't figure out what Love means to them at first, that's normal.
SORRY I YAP SO MUCH BUT i have so many thoughts about the big fandom discourses because they're all 😭 so 😭 silly 😭 (and yet somehow i am dragged into all of them bc i post my face online 😖)
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I felt implicitly tagged by @lilypheria. Here's the template too.

It may seem like I only write KnB these days but I don't consider myself to be done with my SPOP comics yet.
Tagging all my writer friends but I'm going to mention @active-mind-15 because you're kind of new to me. But I really want to hear about all my writer mutuals and followers. By the way if you've written one unfinished fic or tried to start to write your ideas but can't, or haven't written for years, or have any other struggle that makes you feel invalid, you count as a writer.
Going to elaborate under the cut because I felt like it.
My old account was FinFanFun, a Finnish site I used mostly for reading Facebook wall fics about that which should not be named.
AO3 is where I publish my KnB fics though I've considered branching out to see if there's still some fandom corners I haven't reached.
I'm slowly introducing myself to writing smut but the only story I've published has been called mild and soft smut or smut-ish, and I doubt the rest will be much different.
I frequently beta-read for friends, though fanfiction is the minority.
I used to have two beta-readers but they're unable to do it anymore so all my fics rely solely on me for now, which makes me really anxious sometimes. I am pretty desperate for a new beta-reader so if KagaKuro and a million words of "homework" doesn't frighten you, please jump into an adventure with me!
All my fics are self-indulgent in that they're what I want to see play out in the story. They are not personal fantasies, or necessarily what I want to see in real life, but it's what I envision for these characters.
I'm always reading old favourite fics again and I need to branch out actually.
If I'm in need of a short fic to read I will probably pick fluff.
Have written m/m and f/f (and m/? and m/f) but honestly it's weird to put them in the same category when m/m is so overrepresented.
I'm not actually sure if I consider fanfiction as a genre or rather a medium, because all genres exist inside fanfiction. Medium is probably more true but I seem to have checked it anyway because I feel like the point here is whether fanfiction is valid literature and that it is.
I don't know if two fandoms with one being dormant would be considered multifandom so maybe no.
I do anxiously wait for feedback since I'm very community oriented but I'm also very introverted and internally motivated so the lack of it doesn't discourage me. I have patience and I can wait for connection for years and years. Not that lack of connection doesn't affect me, of course it does, but giving up is just a very antithetical concept to my beliefs and life.
I have one on-going long KnB story and one unfinished She-Ra fic that is waiting for a better time. Which is an exception since I tend to finish what I start before moving on.
Editing fanfiction is actually not as bad as editing original fiction because I put much less pressure on myself, partially because you can always edit your fic again.
Always listening to hours long conversations in my head between characters when I'm trying to sleep. They're really bad at shutting up and I'm supposed to remember this stuff in the morning?
I was mildly drunk for ten days straight to write Anything Can Happen. Haven't done that since but it was really fun.
My main KnB storyline gets most of my attention. It's just my thing, I pour everything into it.
I didn't check 'wants to be a professional writer' because after three traditionally published books I consider myself to be that already. I actually went the other way around than seems to be the norm: I was an original fiction writer first and then branched out to fanfiction in my twenties. I can see it greatly affects how I write fic, and it's probably the main reason I feel like a bit of an outsider.
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"One sided beef"
@sunshinecatie I tried explaining myself, you went "I'm sorry you're hurt" rather than actually apologising.
You willfully misrepresented my opinion that Ed wouldn't kill Jon over him and Susan consensually banging based on canon dialogue rather than buried fics and roped Dee into it instead of just agreeing to disagree until pushed to do so.
I reached out to understand what went wrong. Twice. The second time when I realised your reasons still did not make sense. You WERE upset, why? Wording. What wording? I did not put "I think" at the start or otherwise phrase my opinion as an AU, OC or headcanon.
You doubled down and kept making it about wording when I, like Lunar, say what I mean and the aggression you took from it (on the discord) was projection on your part. However, this post is what it looks like when I am actually angry at you.
Which became a snowball self-fullfilling prophecy because you kept claiming I was angry in the original interaction when I wasn't (which in itself was aggrevating). Eventually making me genuinely angry.
At this point, I:
a. Neither expect nor deserve forgiveness from you or anyone you consider a friend
b. Do not trust the discord to be a safe space for anyone except those you already consider a friend, which is why I left. Because it quickly turned out to not be a fun Rogues fandom chat, and instead Catie's Corner.
c. Do not trust the sincerity of anything you say, given how thoroughly you have repeatedly warped my very straightforward frustrations with your inability to live and let live different interpretatons of canon text (you were only ok with the idea of Ed's actions being confined to an AU, OC or headcanon; when discussion of canon text is very standard procedure in fandom and the act of doing so in itself is not reason for upset, but it proved to be for you, which is why I started to consider you a more controlling person - which likely does not reflect yourself generally).
If you were actually going to reach out to rekindle a nonexistent friendship, you would have. Don't pretend you actually give a shit when you have done nothing but deny, deflect and distance. That is an especially shallow attempt to gage sympathy instead of actually doing better. You don't care about "fixing things", all you care about is making this (me) go away so you don't have to deal with it.
I also do not expect you to agree with my perspective on things, given how prone you have proven to be to misinterpreting people.
So let me be clear.
I was not angry in the discord when all this started.
I am now very angry for how you refused to see that I was not originally angry and instead focussed entirely on how you disliked how you felt I was saying you were "wrong".
You are not "wrong".
I did not say you were "wrong".
My phrasing, to anyone but you, clearly did not even imply you were wrong. It was a disagreement / counterpoint sure, but nothing argumentative or insulting.
Let me repeat.
Me disaggreeing with you does not mean you are wrong!
Also! If people besides me DO for whatever reason think you are wrong, then THAT IS OK!
Disagreement is not invalidation.
Your focus on thinking I needed validation was honestly a bit perplexing.
I was baffled you freaked out over me thinking Ed wouldn't do X. Because whatever I think about Ed doesn't mean you need to think the same thing. I gave my reason for why I thought what I thought. That wasn't an argument. That was just making sure you understood why I thought that about Ed, even if you don't agree.
I vented my anger on my personal account because I did not want to bother people but still wanted to get out how I felt. I have virtually no following, so considered it basically posting into the void the same as any other rant post. I thought the block would keep the post local to my blog. Trying to rebuild this bridge while I still had this box of matches in my pocket would not end well. I would be holding in everything I grew to hate about you through gritted teeth. I do not think like you do, I need actual closure to move on and that is not possible here.
I was frustrated that at every point I attempted to talk to you, you never listened and we just came out further misunderstanding each other.
==>You are not at fault. <==
Silence doesn't feel like mending, or peace, just an indefinite continuation of whatever note was left on.
I also am not vague posting. I am very specifically posting about my exact feelings about fandom discourse and the ways I disagree with your attitude towards it. My non-fandom rants are not about you, your actions have however triggered (inappropriately, I must add) those non-fandom (trauma / mental health) rants.
No it is not your fault. No this is not an attempt at pity farming. It just happens sometimes. Sometimes things people do remind me of past abusers (and yes, your misunderstandings, mannerisms and thought patterns (in terms of what you share online) very closely resemble a narcissistic abuser of mine I have since cut ties with. Does that mean you are narcissistic or abusive? No. The similarities are likely entirely superficial, but it does explain (though not excuse) the misfire), and that exacerbates whatever more mild feelings were initially experienced into a full-blown episode. Again, no that is not your fault, it is just a thing that happens that I am working on and has genuinely improved from the shit show it was before starting medication.
I love the Rogues Podcast. I'm glad you enjoy it as much as I do. I have since 2015, I think. Long before I started social media or any community interaction. I have come to not love the community, which IS yours more than it is Dee's and Codot's, especially these days.
Asking questions is not the issue, it's how you lord yourself over others for being someone asking Dee and Codot questions that is the issue. Again, you are not listening.
For the sake of levity, and because it is how I feel:

One measly interview does not grant you the authority you seem to think you have. You can reframe my anger however you wish, but that does not change the fact that at no point have you actually listened to a single thing I have been trying to tell you that others have perfectly understood without issue, making it clear it isn't my wording.
This is actually why I partially blamed your behaviour on you being American. Silly, I know. But in all the communities (with a mix of fans from across the globe) I have enjoyed interacting with, it has always been American fans that start shit and blame it on me / something innocuous I said. Always.
Granted, that was only one or two other times (once with a Legend of Korra fan and another with a far right Fallout fan) so my sample size is small but still.
Autistic people aren't all the same. It stands to reason that speech and mannerisms will generally differ across countries. What wording you need to feel unbothered is VERY specifically with added reassurance. In the discord I felt like I needed to follow up everything with something to go "You're valid (Catie)!" to keep you placated. It's not like I waltzed in there are picked the fights that ended up happening. I waltzed in their and started talking about Rogues and other stuff I like.
This is a side-tangent, but my feelings towards the ways we miscommunicated with each other are much like my mum's feelings towards most software she uses for work demanding the use of American spellings and American grammar even when set to "British English", which is clearly a completely superficial setting that doesn't actually adhere to British grammar and spelling.
So I lashed out in frustration. And rather than confront me yourself, you called upon Codot and the discord to do it for you, or at the very least so they would hear your version of the story first so they come into this with your story already in mind. Telling people you treat like goons to tell me to back off doesn't work. It just validates my unflattering view of you. Sorry.
I have tried to be as clear as possible in this post.
If it upsets you, fine.
The only thing I ask is that you please do not feel threatened or upset when people besides me discuss Rogues!Ed (and the Rogues podcast as a whole on a deeper level than just "Wow! I LOVE that character!", "That line was SO funny!", etc.). Not as an AU, OC or headcanon, but just how they see them in text. Otherwise this will happen all over again, just with someone else. And it will be your fault.
#i am autistic#it is not an excuse#Lunar's post honestly feels like a perfect extension of how I feel about this situation and you Catie#I feel like I have to stay silent around you#and walk on eggshells#I don't know what will set you off honestly#since it took just saying I wouldn't think Ed would do something for you to become upset the first time#then dramatically stormed off the server after I told you to stop bereting other server users who believe in death of the author#It's not like I was being hateful or hurtful#I honestly thought my posts would be hidden from you since I blocked you (and lunar in case you asked them to snoop for you)#I am allowed to however vent in my own bloody blog#I very specifically referred to things you said and your username#that isn't vague posting it's shower arguments#I posted them fully thinking the block would prevent you from seeing them#i am new to tumblr#Frankly I wish to swear worse than a sailor at you#at the same time#I wish I was financially able to fly over there and share my non-rogue passions with you#Like teaching you aerial and such#I guess as a way to apologise and talk candidly about things you are less likely to get upset about because they're unfamiliar#I've avoided going into detail about how profoundly you've upset me in case my anger didn't make that clear enough#But your initial attack and every attack to others or myself has made my heart beat through my chest and made me unable to sleep#I have gone out of my way to move on and do things to help#walks#touching grass (you and Lunar should also do this quite frankly)#talking therapy#going back on my anti-depressents after not needing them for a year#trying to focuss on other things#none of it helped so I needed to vent#In case you still think I'm trolling or doing this for fun I am not and never was
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I have a confession, I've developed a dislike for Jemily (stans). I used to love Jemily, enjoying videos and bookmarking lots of Jemily content. However, since joining Tumblr, I find myself avoiding Jemily hashtags. Perhaps it's because of my personal stance against cheating in any form, or it's because some fans insist that Emily is 100% lesbian and that JJ is her one true love. I don't mind if Jemily happened before Will, similar to Jeid. I have no issue if Emily is with a woman on the team, like Tara, for example. However, I can't see the appeal of breaking up a marriage with two children. I dislike the implication that her marriage for all these years was just a facade for her true love, as some Jemily stans suggest. Besides, Emily has dated guys before, she could be bisexual. I truly don't understand why people keep pushing her sexuality, and I despise it.
Yeah so I think there's a subset of the fandom that took "they originally wanted to make Emily a lesbian" and then decided that they would make Emily a lesbian themselves. Which is fine and valid and whatever. I think I've said before though that what I can't really get behind is holding other people to a version of a character that never made it onto the screen. It feels pretty clear to me (ymmv) that canon Emily Prentiss is either bi or straight (I think bi), because she's had multiple relationships and (unnecessary) flirtations with men and chemistry with more or less everyone. (I also like her with Tara.)
There are people who go their whole lives in relationships with men and come out as lesbian, obviously, but there are a whole bunch more people who are bi, so invalidating all relationships with men in order to make the wlw ship work just feels biphobic to me. Same for JJ obviously - she and Will have a loving relationship for years, and it doesn't feel fair (to me) to the character to hand-wave that away with 'she was gay all along here's the proof'.
So yeah I get your frustration.
I don't think this is about the ship though, really. There are always little pockets of fandoms that start giving 'truther' vibes - as if their interpretation is the only one that's right, like, factually and morally, or whatever, and it's just kind of hard to get any enjoyment out of the fandom with that vibe around. (It's a little subset of the Grebecca crowd in the Crazy Ex Girlfriend fandom, if there's anyone else here who's familiar with both - people who can produce a fistful of receipts to show you why they think the writers were pointing toward a specific ship, instead of just letting people ship whatever they personally find the most compelling.)
I'm a casual early-Jemily shipper, but nothing about Jemily is enjoyable for me past the point where JJ and Will are established. The gifs and edits and fic can be fun, but I think I'm probably with you in that the reality of establishing a relationship between them at that point just breaks too much of what is working in JJ's life to be any fun for me. I think other people ship differently than that, though, which is fine. There just needs to be a bit more 'ship and let ship'.
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Event poll results - graph version
I already made a summary about the poll results on Monday, but a few people seemed excited about graphs so. I got graphs! ;)
Now first, as a PSA, I took a whole ass course on statistics. That was 20 years ago and I do not remember SHIT. Just so everyone's aware on the scientific invalidity of this post.
Then, as a reminder, I basically have three sets of responses.
The answers of writers on the writers' questionnaire, to gauge the events they wanted to PARTICIPATE in.
The answers of readers on the readers' quesionnaire, to gauge the events they wanted to SEE.
The answers of the writers on the readers' questionnaire, because there is a difference in the events you'd like DO and the ones you'd like to SEE.
Also, for ease of writing, I refer to the numbers of part 1. as "participation rates" and of part 2. en 3. as "approval rates". As terms they don't quite cover the load, I'm aware, but it became very cumbersome to write "the number of people who are stoked or think it could be fun" so. They're being used in a non-literal sense.
And finally: for most questions I used a 5-point Likert scale, but I also include simplified data, where I added the two "positive" answers (e.g. will definitely participate + will probably participate) and the two "negative" answers. This makes initial comparison a little more straightforward, cause I find it hard to sometimes make sense of all the bars and numbers, and then I can go back more easily to the original data and see the nuance.
General
I received 72 responses, which was maybe a little less than I'd hoped, and definitely less than the last poll, but it was also an actual questionnaire and not a one-click poll so that no doubt raised the treshhold.
And there was a perfect 50/50 separation between writers and readers so I'm glad I was able to reach both groups.
Writers' choice
This is a summary of the writers' results in the simplified version - in green the sum of "would definitely/probably participate" and in red "would definitely/probably NOT participate". These do not add up to 100% because the middle answer ("would possibly participate") was not taken into account.
The full graphs are below:
So with 69% definite+probable participation rate (nice...) the Author Interviews are the most wanted event. And also the least wanted event (25% as per the simplified version's ranking). Which is- not unexpected. Interestingly only 6% said they would "possibly" participate (for most others, with the exception of Weekly Challenges, the "possibly" rate is around 25%), so it's really a "for or against" kind of situation. Interestingly, the Interviews are the only event where "definitely" scores higher than "probably". Mostly though, as I already said in the previous post, I find it absolutely hilarious that the most wanted event by writers is the one is where they don't have to write :D.
Theme Week, and Fic Exchange, have fairly similar numbers, both in the simplified ranking and in the graphs. Advent seems similar, but there's less "definitely" and more "probably not" which is why it scores so much lower.
The Weekly Challenges are interesting, because they score the lowest, but it's not because people don't wanna participate - at 17% it scores average on that parameter. But 50% of writers said they would "possibly" participate. It could be that people weren't sure what it entails (I purposely worded it vaguely cause I wanted to keep options open), or maybe they'd be happy to participate on occasion but not necessarily every week, or maybe another reason entirely.
The Big Bang, then, doesn't seem too popular when you look at the simplified numbers, but in the graphs it's clear that it scores second highest on "definitely"... and highest on "definitely not" (though that's a tie with Interviews and Fic Exchange). So once again a sort of "for or against" situation
In general, for most events, about half to 2/3 of respondents would most likely participate, 1/10 to 1/5 would most likely NOT participate, and 1/4 might or might not. So really what I learn from this (and I suppose this is not surprising but yanno) is that no single event is going to convince everyone, and a variety of events throughout the year is the best way to involve everyone at some point.
For most of the week, the Big Bang had the lowest participation rate, going up to 37% of writers who said they definitely/probably wouldn't participate - while the Bang had the highest approval rating with the readers. Conversely the event with the highest participation rate (Interviews) scored lowest with readers. Now, the last one is still true, but I'm glad at least the first one has a better balance now :).
As for the other questions, there wasn't any Big Conclusions to be drawn from them, so I just include them here for information purposes.
Nearly half (ssshhht I'm wishful thinking) would participate in a YR Women's week tho, so I find that encouraging :).
Writers who read
As I mentioned, the questionnaire for readers ("What events would you like to see?") was filled in both by readers-who-don't-write and writers, and even though you'll see the end result is similar, I will discuss them separately cause I thought it was interesting.
So, as it turns out, writers are SUPER excited about Big Bangs - at least when they don't have to participate 🤣 (please know that as a writer I say this with all the love and understanding in the world). 69% of writers (yeah I can't make that joke again can I...) (nice...) are stoked to see one happen, and another 25% thinks it would be fun, for a whopping 94% approval rate!
Weekly Challenges also score significantly higher here, which strengthens my suspicion that the low participation rate is mostly due to "not sure if can participate every week".
While participation rates for Theme Week vs Fic Exchange were similar, approval rates for Theme Week are clearly much higher. Maybe because a Fic Exchange is less fun when you're not participating?
I do wonder if the high scores for Theme Week are (in part) due to the fact we already had one, and people have an idea of what it is and how it works. We got a lot of young people in their first fandom, who are maybe not as familiar with fandom events. So basically I should run one of each events and then redo the questionnaire :D.
Author Interviews has extremely similar approval rates compared with the participation rates, although interestingly there is very little overlap between the answers - there are multiple people who do not want to participate in the Interviews but are excited to see them happen, and vice versa!
With the exception of Interviews, there's only ever one or two writers who don't care/don't wanna see a certain event. In other words, writers just want fic on their dashes and they don't care where it comes from ;).
I mean I think it's fairly obvious what gets the highest approval rate ;).
Readers-who-don't-write
Starting with the graph here so they'd be closer to the writer version for easy comparison. The winner is slightly less clear than in the writer version, but still pretty obvious :)
In general, readers-who-don't-write are a little more critical than writers. They (slightly!) more often disapprove of events, and their approval rates are often some 10-15% lower than the writers'.
Still, the general trend is similar - there's a top group (Challenges, BB, Theme), a middle group (Exchange, Advent, Recs) and an ugly duckling (Interviews), and even if the order within the groups varies slightly, they are consistent for both writers and readers. Which is obviously good.
They don't care about Author Interviews. Like. At all :D. (Not pointing fingers here, I get it, that's a writer thing, I know.)
Can't really figure out why they're so against Fic Exchanges?
And for the sake of completeness:
I was gonna write a little more but this took me way too long and it's almost 1am so I'm just gonna... yanno... go. Just so I'm well rested in case we cant set the Big Bang date tomorrow! ;)
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My nAme is River, I'm a scemo (Scene & emo)person who luvs new friends (Including you!! <33)
I use tUmblr as a kewl (cool) & fUn way 2 find new friendz and to find peOple whom have the same interEsts as mE (Interests later listed)
Oh no.. your computer has a virus! I'll help you out but you gotta listen first.
Dni: Homophobic, Transphobic, Racist, Ablelist, pro overturning of Roe V Wade, -12,+21, Andrew Tate watchers, Msi supporters, falling in reverse supporters (basic Dni), Cringe culture, mean, rude, anti tone tagsif you are &/or support any of the following:
* racist, anti-black, against blm, support alm/blue lives matter, against police abolition & acab. xenophobic, antisemitic, islamophobic, nazi, zionist, assadist. don't support land back. alt-right.
* pro-life, anti-abortion. map, nomap. use/say slurs you can't reclaim. aren't critical of interests.
* romanticize or glorify abuse, and/or mental illness. trauma invalidation. think [emotional] neglect isn't a form of abuse.
if you are &/or support any of the following queerphobic beliefs:
* radfem, terf, swerf. transmed, truscum. against neopronouns, against xenogenders. against lesbians who use pronouns outside of she/her, and gays who use pronouns outside of he/him.
* fetishize mlm, fetishize wlw. think mlm are inherently 'less oppressed' by society, oppression olympics in general.
* believe aroace people aren't inherently lgbtq. mistreat transhets due to them being het. think polyamory is inherently sexual, think you can't cheat on your partners in polyam relationships.
* think bisexuality is the 'default' to being mspec, think pansexuality is biphobic, think trans people aren't included in bisexuality. treat pan/omni/ply/etc. as micro-labels under bisexuality.
if you are &/or support any of the following radinclus beliefs:
* pro-ship, anti-anti, pro-fic. think fiction has no effect on reality. pro-para (pedophilia, zoophilia, necrophilia, etc.).*
* mspec 'lesbians', mspec 'gays', and mspec 'straights'. lesboys, turigirls, 'male lesbians', 'gay women'.
* transabled*; endogenic, xeno-origin, any non-traumagenic 'systems' are included. 'systems' caused by disorders outside of DID or OSDD-1, like 'bpd systems', you get the gist; think you can have any trauma disorder without the trauma.
* this doesn't mean the support for the people with disorders that cause these thoughts and feelings. this means the anti-recovery sentiment of identifying as 'pro-paraphilia' & transabled- whether or not you have said disorders- and the worsening of symptoms.
if you are &/or support any of the following ableist beliefs:
*accuse people of faking their disability, also known as fakeclaiming. exclude the experiences of physically disabled people when talking about ableism. dismiss the experiences of chronically ill people due to the fluctuation of severity in symptoms.
* think allistics can say the r slur, think the infinity symbol is for all neurodivergent people rather than just autistics. against informed self diagnosis.
* think people with cluster b personality disorders are inherently abusive, or that people with DID, schizophrenia, psychosis, ASPD, etc. are dangerous or violent. 'narcissistic abuse' truther.
* misuse mental health terms, like naricissistic, psycho[path], psychotic, delusional, schizo, etc., especially in a derogatory fashion.
If you are any of those, I can't help you! Srry, not srry..
There we are, I just changed your computers oil out!....
Your computer doesn't take oil? Oopsies..
Wellll while you're contacting tech support, let's talk about a few of the things I like!
Interests: Monster high (Mh), My little pony (mlp), Invader zim (Iv), Ruby gloom (Rb), Waffles (no really, I love them), Tone tags, Swag new friends, Slushies (SO YUMMY!!)
My favorite characters: Derpy (mlp), Gir (Iv), Discord (mlp) Draculara (Mh), Ruby Gloom (Rb), Skelita (Mh), Sarah Scare (Mh), Clawdeen (Mh), Lagoona (Mh), Bender (Futurama), Ghoulia (Mh), and a few OthErz
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"again these are a lot of words to uplift rwby, a show that didn't even have brown people until it's 3rd season & has continuously devalued, fetishized & exploited it's characters of colour & shit on azre which has featured poc first & foremost since day one & is written by two mixed people."
Nowhere in my argument I have mentioned RWBY having good diversity, don't just assume I'm saying it's better or worse than azre, I literally said in my first ask that I was responding to a previous Anon using the diversity card as a default win over RWBY, that's not how writing works
"you haven't explained why the diversity in azre is bad, probably because you haven't read it"
Because I never said diversity in it is bad, can you please stop assuming things and actually read what I wrote? Like I said, I was just responding do that invalid argument that another Anon and you supported despite it not being a good argument
Also no I haven't read it, I'm not interested in it nor do I want to read a 79 chapters fic, but that's irrelevant to the things I said
You getting so defensive over that fic and heated over RWBY is amusing though lol, still, they're not relevant to my original statement
the previous anon used diversity as a win card over rwby because rwby is so abysmally bad that it's pathetically easy to be better than them in storylines about racism that no one asked them to write. you're the one who came into the argument with the weirdo take of "diversity doesn't equal good!! 🤓" while keeping it devoid of its original context, which was the entire point lol.
your stance is that diversity is bad. maybe work on the internalised racism cause this is just weird behaviour. there are plenty of reasons why azre trump's rwby in every avenue, including not being written by abusive racists, & we're very proud of that & the work that's been put into it.
#rwby#rwde#azre#ais.txt#answered#if you dont care abt either one why are you getting involved weirdo 😭
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Who do you think are the endgame? Geokata, Alamary, NicolFray? And who for Maria, Keith, Sophia? In some way, I ship Keith Sophia. When/which would be final volume?
If you're asking me who I think is gonna be endgame, you're pretty much right :DD It's sprinkled with my personal tastes and opinions though, so I'm sure those three pairs look ridiculous to some people fjhsgdf (if anyone is confused why Nicol and Fray are together, please refer to my crack theory XDD)
These are only my opinions though, I'm not the author and I dn't know how the story is gonna end at all. These are just my preferences. I just want to say that every ship is valid and a ship being canon doesn't exactly invalidate the others. The story is far from over, so we're all still free to ship whoever we want with each other.
GeoKata and AlaMary are big contenders for endgame, but neither Mary nor Alan are anywhere near close to giving up on Katarina. I mean they are kinda obvious endgame since let's not kid ourselves, they don't have much chances with her unless it's a multiple ending or a harem ending. There's also Maria and Keith, who are the biggest rivals to Geordo when it comes to Katarina, and everything that the author is currently doing to give them more points and chances shakes the likeliness of the GeoKata ending. I mean it's easy for me to say that they are obvious endgame, but again, I'm not the author so I don't know the direction they are taking with the series.
Everything pretty much depends on whether the ending is GeoKata, MariKata, Harem or None. And you already know where my bet is in >:DD
I kinda want to dwell a bit more into NicoFray and theorize some end-game pairings for Keith, Sophia and Maria since they are the most vague right now. These are coming with doodles too since I felt like drawing :DD
Warning: OPINIONS and HAMEFURA SPOILERS below :))
So like, in my ideal world, I'd love for Nicol and Fray to end up together hsjdhgf. I mean we haven't seen a lot of Fray yet even if I combine all her media appearances, and we haven't confirmed whether she's the Lady from Nicol's fiancee candidates in Volume 5. Now that we have an official design for Fray, I guess they look visually good beside each other. We don't really know if Fray is gonna be an active or important enough character to pair up with a main character like Nicol, but I'll hold onto this crack ship until we get confirmations on stuff.
Nicol's partner should be someone who can keep up a conversation with him, just like what he said he wanted in the extra info from Volume 5. I think Fray could fill that role, I mean Ginger is a pretty introverted person who originally just kept to herself but Fray was able to hold conversations and become close to her just fine! While Fray is almost just as much of a magic-nut as her (most likely) sister Suzanna, it might feel like Nicol would luck out by ending up with her, but from the impression I got of the Lady from V5 (who again, might be Fray), she enjoyed talking about her dreams and ambitions with Nicol, and he was a good listener who enjoyed and admired her passion.
The Lady from Volume 5 really left an impression on some people, but again we don't really even know if she's supposed to become relevant or if she's just a tool to prevent Nicol from giving up his spot in the Katarina-race. There's always the possibility of the latter being the case, so for now it really just a crack ship rather than a full contender for endgame pair.
I feel like a lot of people would not like this pairing though, since ideally all four girls should be paired up with the four guys. That would mean that if Nicol should be with anyone, it should probably be Maria. I've read a few Maria/Nicol fics and they were all lovely, so I can't say that I wouldn't approve of it.
As for Keith, Sophia and Maria;
I agree, I kinda ship Keith and Sophia with each other too :DD Right now, Keith is still too far from giving up on Katarina to be able to consider him with anyone, but given that Sophia is also romantically unavailable right now it'd make sense to want to pair them up. Keith and Sophia are both the characters who could have lived their entire childhood locked away from the world, unable to face the sun and come out if it wasn't for Katarina's influence, so that similarity is pretty cool. Keith naturally dotes on people (because he's too used to it with Katarina) so having him dote on Sophia would be cute :DD
But again, Keith is too far from giving up on Katarina yet (they all are, lol) so who can really say right now? ^^;; they might introduce more male and female characters after all.
When it comes to Maria, ah that's kind of a pickle. Maria only really depends on what direction the author wants to take, In the 50/50 chance that the author chooses Maria for Katarina over Geordo, then that would be while new bunch of strings of guesses to make.
I don't even really like talking about that alternate scenario, because I know I'm hurting a lot of people by talking about stuff like this hjgjshdgf I know lots of people adore Maria and Katarina together, and whenever I talk about other characters I think Maria should end up with, I feel a prick on my heart (that, and I feel bad for the characters I'd choose for Maria since they would be the object of hatred, like Geordo) qwq
But welp, it's part of the question, so I gotta answer qwq!!
I think Maria should end up Raphael! I'm sure it's not the first time I've answer them as my ideal endgame pair. Lots of people like to make parallels between Katarina and Maria saying "OOH they are confirmed endgame, they have light and dark parallels!" because light vs dark covenant and heroine vs villainess parallels, but come on don't forget the boy who originally had that spot. I don't have a screenshot, but they even made a Raphael-Dark vs Maria-Light shot in the first season of the anime!
I think ideally for me, I'd love for Maria to end up with a boy from the original Fortune Lover game, either Nicol (if Fray is not an option) or Raphael. Maria ending up with the secret love interest of the first game would be pretty meta if you ask me XDD Raphael in Volume 5 did say that her ideal scenario with a hypothetical partner is coming home to a nice meal or a warm bed. I think Maria could and would love to do that for our overworked redhead :)) and if not that, Raphael did say that he feel like he wouldn't be able to go home in the first place, so if he had someone as loving and warm as Maria by his side, he'd feel the warmth of home even in the Ministry. I'm sure someone like Maria would help and support Raphael as he overworks himself, and makes sure he takes care of himself despite of the workload. I think that's a really cute image.
If not Raphael, then our only options left are the boys from Fortune Lover 2, specifically the only two characters who are even in love with Maria right now XDD
Dewey is out of the picture, because age gap, so that leaves us with Cyrus Lanchester, her boss in the Magic Research Department! I don't want it to look like I'm only giving Maria a bunch of leftovers, because Cyrus would be cute would Maria!
I think I've said it before, but Maria's ideal date with her hypothetical partner is having a picnic with them, which is honestly the kind of love flag event I'd expect from Cyrus's route since he kinda already did something like that with Katarina. Cyrus might be a viscount, but he's lived most of his life like a commoner, so he and Maria basically already share the same lifestyle. Given Cyrus' commoner history and love for rice, I can imagine that he can cook pretty well, so he'd be like the chef to Maria's baker <3
Cyrus is also pretty similar to Katarina in the way that they both love farming, so that's a similarity between the two that Maria could appreciate. Cyrus is absolutely in love with Maria, being the first positive interaction he's had with a woman in years (except for Katarina, who he sees like an old lady because of her vibe lmao) and is generally such a beautiful and kind person. He does his best to maintain his strict and cold façade even when they are working, but he clearly has a soft spot for her that would lead to him breaking his decorum if it means keeping her safe. I don't remember if Cyrus had a big appetite like Katarina, but both of them enjoys eating together so Maria could appreciate that. I'm sure Cyrus would also adore Maria's baked sweets if he got a taste of them :DD
Again, we're still very far from the point of Maria giving up on Katarina, so Cyrus has never even entered her radar at all lmao. I just think it'd be nice for Cyrus to end up with someone like Maria, or just let it be Maria haha.
It's easy to speculate on endgame pairs based on what-ifs, but the story is still very far from over so I don't really know if any of these pairings would be canon.
Many people are still anticipating for a harem route, and honestly the summary for Volume 11 is having me sweat buckets in nervousness for GeoKata's future jhghjdsf
Like I said, all ships are valid, and my word is not fact. Feel free to ship anyone with whoever you want, all ships and fun and beautiful, and thats what makes hamefura so amazing :DD
Thank you for the ask^^
#my next life as a villainess#hamefura#bakarina#destruction flag otome#mh ask#katarina claes#geordo stuart#alan stuart#mary hunt#nicol ascart#fray randall#frey randall#sophia ascart#keith claes#raphael wolt#maria campbell#cyrus lanchester#IF ANYTHING JUST READ THIS TO LOOK AT MY DOODLE KDSGKJDSGF#dont kill haha these are just opinions
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TELL A FRIEND TO TELL A FRIEND, SHE'S BAAAAAAAAACK~
I SAW THE COMMENT YOU LEFT ON MY MONSTER FIC AND OH MY GOD YOU ABSOLOUTE SWEETHEART (I have to catch up on reply to my comments, don't mind me). YES THAT WAS MOI! I WROTE A JUST A MAN FIC AND A MONSTER FIC! OUR ENGAGEMENT ON TUMBLR HAS GIVEN ME IDEAS.
The first thing I want to get right off the bat is that Fred is firmly polities. I have better plans now.
So, we left off on the Ocean Saga so now we come to:
The Circe Saga:
Now, during this saga, keep in mind that sherliam are not quite dating or anything; they're in that weird limbo of "we do love each other but don't know what to do about it." I'm also going to make the point now that up until God Games, we're hardly going to see Sherlock's friend group and I have thoughts about that, many, many thoughts.
But, without further ado:
Puppeteer - Alright, so I have two ideas for who plays Circe and I think both are funny in the vein of moran being the first to encounter them and getting his shit rocked; but very different dynamics with William. So, option no. 1 Moneypenny gets her girlboss moment as Circe and it plays in nicely with that way that she's the "watcher" or the "spy" cause she knows everything and has that power. I also don't know where else I'd put her at this moment in time (Maybe as Calypso? Depends). Option no. 2 was the original idea and it required the extent of James ability to act. So, the general premise (And I'll discuss more as this saga goes on) is that he would play both Circe AND Hermes for two reasons; one being that it would be hilarious if James was essentially plotting against himself and two, it would be fun to sort of see the two sides of James through this (aka, the power figure and the trickster figure). HOWEVER, upon thinking about this a bit more, I realised it might be a little invalidating of James Identity as a man to ask him to act as a woman (I'm not trans so do correct me if I'm wrong) and I just don't want to make anyone upset by that. Anyway, thoughts are appreciated. But also, for this song, the bit where Eurylochus tries to convince William to let go of the "burdens" (aka, people pleasing, overcompensation, masking, etc.) of taking care of others and just take a break. Obviously it doesn't stick and I think it preludes nicely to what happens in the next saga. He refuses to be the "monster" if you catch my drift *wink wink*
Wouldn't you like - With all that being said about James, he absolutely HAS to play Hermes in my mind. That mischievous little shit with his goofy ass laugh is perfect for, lets say, a recently transitioned James Bond who's learning to be who he is, which is a chaos bringing little shit (and please, this is my interpretation of James as the Fun One of the group who teases and fucks with everyone else. I know this might not be everyone else's interpretation). But anyway, let's say James, as the newest member of the group, comes in and sees William and is like "this bitch needs therapy" and proceeds to teach him coping mechanisms and gives him some understanding. He's just really good at listening and very disarming for William. So in a sense, "Wouldn't you like a taste of happiness" kind of deal.
Done for - So, this could be Moneypenny's big moment to be the absolute Queen that she is. All in All, this piece is pretty simple in terms of engagement. The big battle with the cyclops vs whatever creature Circe was using might be different but seeing the giant puppet again could actually be kind of symbolic to Circe's whole gig. This one's mostly just cool shit without any of the angst i think.
There are other ways - So this is where the option of having Moneypenny might fall down a bit because it requires this sort of romantic attraction that will play into the piece and I don't know if it's just me but Moneypenny and William do not have that kind of chemistry (then again, this is an Acting AU so I could be overthinking this). I don't know, I feel like it would be better coming from James. The other thing is the James/William dynamic of being there for each other and i'll get into that in a second. Regardless, Circe is trying to tempt Odysseus, which we'll take as Moneypenny/James trying to flirt with William (not seriously). This provokes the idea that maybe William and Sherlock should not be getting back together, maybe they've crossed a line that they can't come back from (again, circumstantial plot, i am god, this is not real). Until we get to the "I can't" bit because, while yes being with someone who's understands his traumas and can listen to him might be nice, Sherlock is the one who encourages him to seek help and try things, Sherlock is (in true greek fashion) the compliment of his soul, the only one who can match him word for word. (also, can I just talk about Mr Jay Rivera-Herrans using the line, "let us puppet's leave" as a sign of Odysseus giving up his power for the greater good of his men??? like, the creative liberties were cooking.) Now the next part for Circe is kind of odd but bare with me. When she suggests the prophet, let's assume they don't know who's been cast yet because I have some fun Idea's there. But Poseidon being the ever looming threat is metaphor for Mycroft being on stand by to put William on his ass if he fucks this up again. And finally, we just have James/Moneypenny being a badass with those big notes.
(I've also just realised that puppeteering would be a rule cool symbolism of the way James commands a room and whatnot; but this saga is over now so let's get on with it.)
So this is that sort of moment where Sherlock is beginning to have hope in their relationship again and William is starting to understand how he can help himself. We also have his friends beginning to see how they can help and becoming more involved when William lets them. He's finally listening to put it simply.
The Underworld Saga
Are you ready for the saddest part of this whole musical to be transferred to Yuumori characters? I know you are if (shameless plug) you read my Monster Yuumori fic that follows on from my Just a Man fic.
But anyway, I cried during this saga cause, story time, I had an argument with my mum right before listening to the underworld and I don't live at home anymore (which is ironic considering I'm writing this while I'm on a trip back home). So yeah, big sads.
The Underworld - The first thing I want to point out, and this can be used in any rendition of epic as a stage play, is that the 558 men who died should come from the audience in like a "Eliza Hamilton seeing the world her legacy created" type gig where everyone who's dead is in the audience to represent a divide between the living and the dead. I know there are kinks to iron out with an idea like this, especially depending on the theatre lay out, but fuck if it wouldn't give someone chills to have the souls of the dead right next to them. Next, Polities (I'm still not fucking over it), Fred singing his last thoughts will forever be one of the saddest things I've ever heard in my life. A young boy so full of life and hope being the first one to die. In my wildest fantasies about this AU, there would be some sort of moving mechanism above the audience where Polities/Fred could sit on a ring or something and sing his bits above the other dead souls to show how his voice is the loudest there but that would also require some ingenuity. Now, Odysseus Mom. In keeping with the theme of the loss factor, I reckon putting Louis there is damn near perfect but I really want to share my original idea for this based on the headcannons I have around William and Sherlock's parents. Please humour me for a sec I made myself sad. So, I had the idea that William and Louis' mum died in childbirth and she was not there for either of their lives. So until Sherlock and William met, they didn't really have a good mother (or any other kind of parental) figure; then William met Sherlock's Mum and it was like one of the best things ever for him. So yeah, the original Idea was to have Mrs Holmes play Odysseus' mum so William could have the catharsis of finally getting to give his own mother a proper goodbye (and working through that particular trauma). However, I think working on the assumption that not everyone knows my personal headcannons (or likes them, which is ok), Louis is the option that makes the most sense. Anyway, "You're past is always close behind" and William is sort of facing a lot of it right now. This is the breaking point, lets say, so he can put himself back together.
No Longer You - NOW HEAR ME OUT FOR A HOT SECOND I KNOW THAT TIRESIAS IS A COOL CHARACTER WITH A KILLER VOICE BUT I HAVE TO DO THIS FOR THE PLOT. I think Milverton should be cast as Tireseas. The idea of him "knowing everything" and telling William that he's going to "become the bad guy" essentially really hits the good spots. Please imagine that Milverton's performance of Tireseas is very mocking and patronising. He's just all round being a bitch (But that said, I do take some inspiration for his character from an orphaned fic called "Little Eternities" where it's very heavily laid on that, though Milverton did bad things, he was still a person just like the rest of them. I'd reccomment it, it's really good and more or less got me hooked into writing fanfiction for Yuumori.) but he's still a great singer and this is reluctantly acknowledged. I also think that later on he should play the main suitor guy that tries to "court" Penelope (or, Milverton trying to steal Sherlock from William just like he warned in this song. The foreshadowing would be fucking cool) but this is one of those idea's that i understand might not be everyones cup of tea. So yeah, thoughts appreciated.
Monster - The finale of Act One. This is a solo, with cameo's made by characters. This is William considering that maybe he has not been doing everything he can to make himself feel better and perhaps he has to start being ruthless and, in Marie Kondo fashion, remove things that don't spark joy. The chorus where they sing "Monster" is the sounds of the inevitable upset some people might have when he starts thinking of himself more (It's also occurred to be that I don't know where this is actually set. It is modern AU but whether it's college production or professional actors is kind of beyond me.) The final part of the song where he's singing out for Penelope and Telemachus (who by the way is BILL, i totally forgot to mention that casting choice, just for an extra dab of sadness) is him resolving himself to a relationship with Sherlock cause he can't bare to lose him again and up until this point they still weren't in anything solid. So, just to sort of flesh it out, "Cyclops," the puppet comes out, "Witch" Circe (Moneypenny/James) comes out for a dance, "God" Mycroft looks down on him but he doesn't do anything ("You're doing better but fuck if I don't still want to pummel you") "Soldier" using some & Juliet type of projector's on the back of the stage to show the horse. It goes dark with a single spotlight until Monster, then the stage goes red with many silhouettes in the background. When he reaches "I lost my..." he's stalking towards the audience and yelling at them to get the point across that this has more weight than just a performance (Not that they would particularly know that). Sherlock and Bill do appear for a moment on that call to them and the lighting goes purple for like, five seconds. On that final stab in the music, everything goes dark.
After this, that's the final tipping point. Sherlock and William are officially back together, William's friend group are on the lookout and ready to help him up whenever he needs and for a little while, things will be ok.
Until the next act.
SO THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS, MY WORKS ON AN EPIC X YUUMORI AU.
This idea is far from finished, I already have idea's for some of the parts in later sagas. Like, for example, I think I might cast Michelle Burton as Scylla; and I have some really fun idea's for God Games/Divine Intervention. The Thunder Saga comes out in seven days and I hope it won't throw my whole AU into a oblivion and make it completely redundant. But I suppose that's the fun of making it an Acting AU, things that happen in the musical don't necessarily have to translate to the real world.
Nonetheless, That's all I have. I keep revisiting this every time I listen to the musical and I hope I've given someone else the brain worms. This has been a super nice exercise for me, to finally get to talk about my obssession with someone who has the same interests and actually understands my thought process.
@aka-no-ken you are the literal Sherlock to my William, thank you so much for indulging me and I hope this was fun for you too! It has been super fun for me! I'll write something for the Thunder Saga hopefully once it's come out!
I'm bored and I can finally chill out for a little bit.
SO IM GOING TO WRITE A LIST OF MY BRAIN THOUGHTS AND YALL CAN READ AS YOU WISH (FEEL FREE TO ASK ME).
Yuumori in a stage-production AU of Epic
A part two to that one post I made about reverse AUs in Detroit: become Human
Yuumori Detroit: Become Human AU
Fankids
The hilarity of a Reed900 fic where they hide their relationship flawlessly and everyone is confused
My Yuumori fic based on the frogwares games universe
Indie Horror Games
Musical moments that make me froth at the mouth
Everything about Epic the Musical
Rearranging my room
Educating Rita managing to fundamentally change my brain chemistry
In contrast, hating Pygmalion (Or just Higgins, everyone else is ok)
And oddly enough, hating the implications of the original Pygmalion but finding an inherent romanticism in finding love in your art. (If I have actually interpreted the poem right)
A game called preliminary model assessment and the scarily good voice acting and chilling concept.
I have many a thought but need motivation
#yuumori#moriarty the patriot#william james moriarty#mtp sherlock holmes#sebastian moran#fred porlock#louis james moriarty#mtp james bond#mtp moneypenny#jack renfield#mtp mycroft holmes#epic the musical#epic the troy saga#epic the cyclops saga#epic the ocean saga#epic the circe saga#epic the underworld saga#THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION#Epic X Yuumori AU
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Can't wait until the next JIB jenmish panel where they can talk about things often being "lost in translation"
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Suptober Day 4: Secrets
Secrets - One Republic
This time, don't need another perfect lie
Don't care if critics ever jump in line
I'm gonna give all my secrets away
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Dean is eating fruit salad in the bunker kitchen when Cas and Crowley walk in.
Crowley, snarky as ever: Well, Dean, you know what they say. 'You are what you eat.'
Cas turns to Crowley, menacingly: Is that why you're such an ass?
Dean chokes.
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A Revision of the Layered attraction model for All
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Origin of this project:
The presence of romantic attraction without sexual attraction doesn't invalidate or erase the romantic attraction.
Ace people, for example, whether heteroromantic, homoromatic, Biromantic, etc, have romantic attraction without sexual attraction. It is not unusual for Bi or Pan Demisexual or Graysexual people to experience romantic attraction to more than one gender but only experience sexual attraction towards one gender.
I've found out by interacting with people online that even outside of the Ace spectrum, there are also Biromantic Heterosexual (or Homosexual) people who are Allo. You don't even have to be on the Ace or Aro spectrum to experience romantic and sexual attraction separately. Such people tend to, in public settings, just say they are straight (or gay, as applicable) or Graysexual, to avoid having to justify their romantic attraction to additional genders not being coupled with sexual attraction despite not being Asexual.
I they do experience sexual attraction to other genders. But that is broad brushing, and given that Ace people can be in happy, fulfilling relationships with Allo people, then it is possible. It's just a matter of whether they'd want to pursue that or not. That's just another reason why Biromantic Heterosexual and Biromantic Homosexual people tend not to be out or only be out online.
The Layered Attraction Model (est 2017 as far as I can tell):
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Kinsey scale deals with frequency/proportion of attraction, but the original layered model does not account for different types of attraction to different genders. The wording in the original focuses on action rather than attraction. One’s orientation is defined by attraction, not by what you choose to act on or have had opportunity to act on. Instead of “prefers,” it should say “experiences attraction to”.
Demisexuality corresponds to Pink in the layered attraction model, but the description of Pink as written assumes alloromanticism. It doesn't really include those who are also Demiromantic (double Demis), or other aro-spec identities. The wording of what appears to be aro-ace is also problematic.
A potential solution is to duplicate the layered attraction cake for the Aro spectrum, allowing you to choose a Kinsey Scale number for your romantic attraction separate from the number for your sexual attraction. Instead of reds and pinks, it'd use greens & grays for the Arospec colors. Adding a column for one's gender identity would make this model a full label. Acespec, Arospec, Romantic orientation, Sexual orientation, and gender identity.
This should cover everyone. Oriented aroace demiboys, Double demi panromantic homosexual girls, Allo Biromantic Heterosexual guys, Asexual Polyamorus Alloromantic Heteroromantic trans women, etc, etc.
We are a diverse community, and the world is more diverse than we tend to recognize.
The Full Spectrum Layered Attraction and Identity Model:
It took a couple of weeks before I finished the project and came back to this draft post. Behold the revamped layered attraction model:
(It’s 34″ squared, so please zoom in to full read your parts.)
It includes:
Romantic orientation
Aromantic Spectrum Kinsey Scale Polyamory scale
Sexual orientation
Asexual Spectrum Kinsey Scale Sex Favorability
Gender Identity
Gender Identity Cis-Trans-Intersex (not mutually exclusive) Gender Fluidity
I did my best to make this inclusive to everyone, but if I missed anything or worded anything poorly, please let me know and I will make a revised version. (Especially with the gender part, seeing as I am cis.)
Also, thank you to my fellow mods of @demisexual-kingdom for giving the finished product a look over before posting.
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#my 2021 tumblr year in review#your tumblr year in review#Had to remove three gifs from the suptober set here so this could post. See the original post for the whole set
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hi but like just because some gay people dont see it as homophobic it doesn't invalidate the fact that others do. like you may be joking and all but ignoring others opinions on it is kinda rude. the fact that many lgbt+ people see it as offensive means that not everyone sees it as joke like you do and its kinda rude how youre getting salty that people are telling you to stop.
Out of the several messages I've received for that post, I think only one or two were genuinely from someone saying "I'm gay or lesbian and this word really makes me uncomfortable." And I can see that. I can see why some people would be genuinely upset by it. However, I STILL remain firm on the idea that this is a very small group of people who are most likely too young to be on Tumblr. This is coming from someone who joined tumblr as a 13 year old sexually confused girl years ago. Almost all the rest of my messages were just denouncing my opinion. Not even trying to see my view, merely telling me I have "internalized homophobia" or using the ridiculous "you're straight so your wrong" argument. Not only a terrible argument, but also untrue. I will admit that yes, I acted rude and salty to those messages. But if your not going to respect my opinions, why should I respect yours? I had ONE lesbian tell me that the word make her actually uncomfortable, and to her I'm sorry. But like I said, I still don't think that's reason enough to stop using a word comedically that does not in any way demolish homosexuality in that context. To everyone else, how about instead of just accusing me of things you don't know, try and see my view. And if you disagree, that's perfectly fine. But just try. A little bit. I'd also like to mention 2 things. One, thank you to everyone who agreed with me and sent me nice messages (I gained a few followers, thank u very much for those who did) as well as those who didn't agree with me, but sent me actual argument as to why they thought I was wrong. Two, I got people who RAN blogs that were purely about gay ships that I was "fetishizing gay people" when they ran a whole blog full of art and fics of two men kissing and having sex with tags like "omg so hot" That is a special kind of hypocrisy. As well, people have replied to me saying "not all the people in the LGBT community think like you! The word makes them upset" Well, not all the people in the LGBT community think like YOU. To many, they don't care. To end, I still stand by my original point as I'm sure many others who completely hated my opinion still stand on theirs. I understand the view of those people, why they would be angry. But I think the messages I've seen of so many gay people also saying "I have no issue with the word and I'm gay as hell" show that most understand that it's in no way meant to be seen as hating homosexuality. This is not utilitarianism. Intention. Does. Matter. If you can't see that, then maybe try looking a bit deeper at the posts you're so angry about.
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