#ismene talks

[riveracheron]

how to stage “the tragedy of francis” (MAG 172), but like. in a normal theatre

hi this’ll have to do today @a-mag-a-day

im a theatre technician who, upon listening to the Spooky Play Statement of “Strung Out” got really into the idea of how one would Actually create the technical elements. it seems like an interesting challenge! this was the only theatre related episode with indepth description of the Spooky Stuff but if yall are interested id be happy to talk about Other Episodes and ways you can practical effects your way through the fearpocalypse :)

spoilers for mag 172 and fake blood below the cut!

rules of this:

- i am a technician, not a director. i am assuming that the play as described by jon is the script and that we need a giant spider and hooks and blood. i am not making any choices, simply describing how these effects can be done in a professional theater sense. to that end, i am also only a student; and not an expert.

- we are going as hard as possible. no substitutions, no artistic choices to pare it down, no nothing. this is the magnus archives we’re getting meta enough. alongside that, im not worrying about budget. this is broadway level shit.

- i am not putting a stage on a stage. this is just looking at the Tragedy itself and jon can go sit in the audience for all i care.

cool? lezzgo.

i. the hooks

this is a fly system! it’s mostly used for lowering and raising set pieces. oftentimes, its also used with actors to raise them into the air when flying. shows like wicked, mary poppins and peter pan use this to pull actors into the air to make it seem like they’re flying.

it’s done with wires connected to hooks connected to the actors’ bodies via straps. sound familiar?

they are often hidden with lights, but they don’t have to be- for a play that draws attention to these wires, the designer would probably draw attention to them - at least for when they start to dance around and stuff.

the hooks that attach to francis’ joints throughout the show could be flown in as well, and their costume and more strategic lighting could make it seem like they were attached to them. you can get pretty grotesque with high budget theater and special effects makeup.

ii. the spider

characters that are puppets is not a new thing in theater! one of the most famous examples is Audrey 2 in little shop of horrors- a puppet that has an actor off stage saying their lines into a microphone. the spider would also probably be the same.

there are some motorized puppets like the sandworm in beetlejuice the musical, but most are person-controlled, which works best for speaking puppets as show to show, peoples way of speaking can change from show to show, and the puppet needs to be able to keep up, and motorized puppets can be out of sync.

this video is a good making-of process for a giant speaking monster puppet, and i assume the spider would be the same, just much higher. there would probably be a false ceiling like the false wall above, and the puppeteers would sit above to operate the legs as if they were dangling.

it would probably be also attached to a fly system for easy lowering as the scene goes on.

iii. minor things

- the blood would come from “strawberries”, little packs of blood hidden under actors’ costumes that they can burst when needed. theres also a capsule version that one can put in the mouth and bite down on.

this is an example from the 2019 production of oklahoma, and a good look at blood strawberries and what they do

- the spider-drink would probably be done with. fake edible spiders, lots of scuttling noises from the soundboard and lights that hide the fact that they are not moving, perhaps with strobe or something crazy. the spider rain would probably be the same, but with stagehands pouring spiders down from the catwalks.

- other characters would also be off stage with mics.

- good actors will sell a Lot of this. even if the new hooks and stuff don’t touch them, they can definitely make it seem like they do.

sooooo um yeah! as much as this episode made me sick - i love technical theatre and this was a fun infodump !! take this um. as you will ig. please stage safely !! blood packs can stain and fly systems can be unsafe so please. don’t try this at home. or at least get a professional to help

[finelythreadedsky]

wait now that i think about it... antigone really does look like the product of the transition from two-actor to three-actor plays. it's so very agonistic with all those scenes pairing two characters arguing or otherwise at odds with each other (antigone and ismene, creon and the sentry, creon and antigone, creon and haemon, creon and tiresias). there's rarely a third person present for these arguments, and in the two places where there is it's. weird. like the scene where the sentry brings antigone in and then he and creon proceed to talk to each other while antigone remains silent, as if she isn't even there or actually cannot speak. and then the moment it looks like antigone's going to speak and it's going to become a conversation between her and creon, the unnecessary third party is dismissed from the stage, so the whole scene is two dialogues back to back instead of one trialogue. and the scene with creon, antigone, and ismene where the whole point is that ismene's NOT part of this and that the play is a two-party affair from which she is ultimately excluded. and the debate over whether the protagonist would have played the role of creon or antigone-- it makes sense if you're thinking of a historical moment where there are two primary actors of pretty much equal standing, plus another recently-added actor, perhaps of lesser status. the two main actors get their equally prominent roles, and the minor third actor shows up here and there as ismene and the sentry and maybe eurydice.

[riveracheron]

nyaw tysm pasta!

relationship status: aroace lmao

favorite color: indigo but like. pastel. do you understand

something i want right now: ice water…but alas no ice in dorm

song stuck in my head: right to die - aliceband

three favorite foods: stir fried mushrooms, hamentaschen, marinated eel yumb

last song i listened to: holy old city - shaina taub

last thing i googled: school dining hall menu lmao

dream trip: nyc to see all the shows that may be on broadway the next few years!!!!!!

bonus question: if you had the opportunity to safely become a cyborg via body upgrades: is that not what being disabled is already

tagging hmm:

@roukabi @sxnyarostova @melnonny aaaaand anyone who wants to do this - consider it tagging u

Rule: Tag 10 people you want to get to know better

I got tagged by the lovely @riderkaitlyn5!

Relationship Status: single and no intention to change that

Favorite Color: Blue!

Something I want right now: a fricking break

Song stuck in my head: combo deal of "No Way Back" and "Overwhelmed"

Three Favorite Foods: spaghetti, a specific local sandwich, and cupcakes

Last Song I listened to: "We are the Hearts" by EXGF

Last Thing I Googled: when were copy machines invented

Dream Trip: I'd like to go back to England, I think. I'm admittedly not much of a traveler and don't like being away from home, so I don't have a more exciting answer than that, I'm afraid.

Bonus Question:

If you had the opportunity to [safely] become a cyborg via body upgrades, would you take it?: Probably not. I have enough trouble with my body without introducing even more complicated bits and pieces.

Tagging: @inkabelledesigns, @halogenrobotics, @argent-l-p, @aboyandhisstarship, @flippythegodzilla, @notjustonefandom1, @wandererintheocean, @stone-97, @beneathascorpionsky, @nanami85240

[another-heroine]

2, 15, 19, and 50 for Ismene, Katya, and Andrine!

OC Asks Game

Hi Ash, thanks for asking :D It will be fun to reply for the three ladies hehe

Btw this has Kingmaker spoilers on the Question 19 ⚠

2. Tea, coffee, hot chocolate or other?

Andrine: She has sweet tooth, but she isn't that picky. She would choose hot chocolate without hesitation, but she also appreciates sweetened tea and coffee (although Octavia has prohibited her to drink the last one, because she doesn't know when to stop it)

Ekaterina: She hadn't many options in Irrisen. When she has tried hot chocolate for first time, it was like a catharstic moment of her life. But she is very fond for herbal and spiced teas.

Ismene: She has two favorite beverages, in fact: coffee for the mornings (otherwise she will kill some Varnling member easier) and mead for the nights. Ismene has no aversion to teas, but their smell always reminds her of the moments when she gets sick.

15. What is the first thing people notice about them?

Andrine: She talks loud and fast. It's like a lean squirrel with white hair. Also her clothes are always showy, even the Storyteller knows it.

Ekaterina: Well, she glows. Either her skin or hair. And like it's not enough, Katya is tall. The poor woman just wanted to be invisible sometimes.

Ismene: If her clothes don't catch attention for being different from the Brevic/Mendevian fashion, Tilly does for both of them! You can't ignore an outlander woman passing by with a bear.

19. What does your character consider to be their lowest point?

Andrine: Sometimes, Andrine sees herself as a petty person. She could let Regongar kill Janush's assistant when they met for the first time, but she did it because she took personally the kidnap attempt that her party suffered earlier. And she have declined the Lanthern King friendship because she got tired of his bullshit as Nyrissa's as well, like she didn't make friends/allies with questionable fey before.

Ekaterina: Her lack of self-esteem. Katya won't complain about her doubts out loud, but down in her soul there is a still uneasiness about her valor. She can go as far as her legs can carry her, but in the end she always questions herself if she really did enough.

Ismene: Her short temper. It always gets the best of her. She can't bear listening to any kind of small talk and pretend that's ok. Her intuition is sharp, and Ismene is good at perceiving who's telling the truth or not. Thanks to the Gods, she learned to be slightly patience because of Varn.

50. How does your character sleep at night? Are they a heavy or light sleeper? Do they dream or have nightmares? Do they find it easy to sleep or are they more a night owl?

Andrine: When she's not struggling with insomnia due worries, Drine is a heavy sleeper. And she took a long time to be really awaken. Also her dreams are chaotic, mixing irl incidents with fictional ones. Sometimes she can't tell what was real or not.

Ekaterina: Since a very young age, Katya has problems with nightmares. This got less common while she grew up and learned how to keep her impulses 'on the leash', but some nights she can't rest properly, dreaming with wildfires and destruction caused by herself.

Ismene: Although she is a reasonable light sleeper, Ismene uses to get properly rest always, and it doesn't matter where she is laid. She has no big problems about sleeping outdoors, after all she is from a nomad tribe. And she almost never recalls her dreams.

[dromaeo-sauridae]

Who exactly is Walter? He looks incredibly intriguing :0

hi thank you! walter is part of the promethea story, and almost an antagonist of act 3? hes really just a puppet though

hes been possessed by a parasitic pseudo-god named xolakaal and acts as xol’s hunter, finding people and basically ripping out their souls so it can eat them and get stronger. his story is very much a work in progress rn lol

[catilinas]

had a dream that i went to the freud museum robert icke talk about icke’s oedipus (that is actually happening in january) and got to ask @pomp-quio’s question (why are antigone + polyneikes + eteokles in the play but not ismene). the answer was that he was adapting a variant myth (not real btw) where ismene is the only one of oedipus’ children whose mother is not jocasta (he was also alluding to this when antigone brings up oedipus’ affairs to jocasta in the dinner scene). he said once the audience know of this variant myth it’s up to them to decide whether ismene is never born in icke’s oedipus or whether she does exist but is not present because… you decide. also during the talk two old people had a massive argument about couscous and then one killed the other with a chair and we only found out when we discovered the body while leaving the building

[trentonsimblr]

Part 1 of 2 (here)

AN: Hello lovelies! Here's a future Rhea scene! It's so long that it will need to be two parts. I'll post part two on Wednesday. For some context: Julien is son of Charlene, Ismene is a member of Shrimpessa's herd of children and Rhea's BFF. Also pictured is Cecelia (Blue Grecian dress) Charlene's daughter, Noel (next to Cecelia) is another member of the herd as well as Cecelia’s Beau, and Isis (talking to Cecelia and Noel) is Noel's twin. The girl next to Violette is her sister, Catherine or “Kat.”

[roukabi]

Well, I said back here that I wanted to do a NYTW critter-ification. So here we are!

As usual, design notes/trivia/comments under the cut:

"Rook, none of these are animals I'd ever consider related to the Hadestown cast."

Yeah, I know. But it looks cool, right?

Orpheus strikes me as someone who was wild as a boy. And by 'wild', I mean biting and growling and hunting squirrels with his bare 10-year-old hands. He got less feral when approached with food and stable housing. With all that in mind, it made sense to give him something that matched that energy. Also, community-minded? Famous vocals? Effortlessly beautiful? The connections are there! And I stole from this drawing I made a long while back. Yeah I bet y'all forgot about that but I didn't! I still really like the idea of werewolf Orph!

...come to think of it though, we give nytw orph too much credit. I think it's easy to pin him as the brave, heroic union leader because of his confidence, but he's just a poet. He's lovey-dovey, he's gentle. He's got a very healthy ego, but it doesn't overpower his soft core. There's a reason his 'If It's True' is so sad - he's not a fighter, he's an artist, and more importantly, a lover. He has no real incentive to finish his song (for better or worse, narratively-speaking). He's an artist who talks big and loves his wife.

That said, it seems a little weird to give him such a fierce animal. But as is the case for bway orpheus's fox choice, i am a fan of designs that betray the real character underneath. His big snarky wolf persona (fursona?) falls apart when he looks at Eurydice for more than 3 seconds.

Wow, that could've been its own post tbh. Moving on, the star-like speckles in his fur were added because of his name - "the darkness of night". Canis Major is somewhere on his fur.

Now, could a catgirl and dogboy really fall in love?

With regards to Eurydice, you can't improve upon perfection, which is why my design looks very similar to @riveracheron's Eurydice design. You can see most of ismene's design here (I can't find the original ref image, sorry!) for reference. I wasn't sure about making Eurydice's nose yellow, but she needed yellow somewhere in her palette, and a black or pink nose looked kind of wrong. She's a loner kitty built for the snow. Not that she enjoys it. Also I wanted to add a cute white/yellow bow around her neck but forgot :( pretend it's there

Anyway, probably the most interesting animal decision was Hermes. I mentioned in my Broadway critter designs that I wanted to keep the neutral characters as birds. That meant I had to find a bird to match Chris Sullivan's Hermes, and, idk, I liked the barn owl the most. Barn owls are screechy and painfully unexpressive, but if Legend of the Guardians: the Owls of Ga'Hoole has taught me anything, it's that anything can be expressive if you break just enough rules. So there.

Barn owls are associated with doom and death in old English tales, and they're known to live in abandoned houses. It would sound like the barn owl should be given to Hades, but I like to think that since Hermes is the one telling the story, he's in charge of the cycles of death and renewal that take place in the story. He's a harbinger whether he likes it or not.

For the Fates, I already had cat designs in mind, but I almost made them birds to fit my neutral rule. Then I kinda waffled on it and said "well, the Fates are kind of mean, and you know what would be fun? Wild animals vs domestic animals". Cats it is! And they are anything but dressed the same: we got stripes, spots, and swirls. They torment their fellow kitty Eurydice for being 'wild', they're invasive, and they get in fights with the local wolf. The relationships write themselves.

I didn't draw Hades and Persephone since they'd already been covered in the Broadway lineup, and there wasn't much of a difference between bway and nytw to justify new drawings. They're still critters though, trust me.

And that's it! I guess had a lot more to say about these than last time. As always, the designs are free to use with credit.

[sarafangirlart]

Another tragic woman that im pretty sure Noone ever talks about is Ismene, daughter of Oedipus. Like, Girl lost everyone, both her brothers, her mother, her father, and how much she tried not to lose Antigone as well, but lost.

Yeah… I think she lost her lover too, girl can’t catch a break.

[vraska-theunseen]

someone give me discussion questions i have to answer every week i will write such good sentences for them. and yeah i know these questions were meant to prepare me to analyze things on my own but. well i have no retorts to the straw man in my brain it's a joke man of hay i beg thee to acquiesce

went looking through my old school google docs to try and see if maybe i could find a video my english teacher showed us thinking maybe she linked it and i was scanning through these old class documents and why was i using words like lambast. i don't even know what that means now why did i say that. and the way i formulated this sentence... "it has from its inception" i took for granted being forced to read and write every day

[riveracheron]

if i had a nickel for every sad angry fictional man who is the star of a concept album (from a band that mostly does concept albums) about some nondescript fictional war that has intense world war 1 theming despite not technically being world war 1 in canon, who’s maybe lover dies, and that makes them go on a rampage that involves destruction of property using a flammable substance, i would have two nickels which isn’t much but it’s weird it happened twice

[finelythreadedsky]

that said, sophocles in particular is so clearly interested in women's silence and the silencing of women! not, like, to the point where i would think that it might've had anything to do with the way he thought about or interacted with real women in real life, but in so many of his plays he's preoccupied with the point at which women stop speaking, and the ways that a (woman's) silent life is akin to death. i'm talking the classic "she exits silently into the house to die" of jocasta and eurydice and deianira, i'm talking the women who fall silent and let the men do all the talking when they're replaced by non-speaking actors halfway through their plays (tecmessa and ismene), i'm talking the women like iole and philomela rendered completely voiceless by the violence done to them and also structurally denied speech by the performance conventions that do not permit them a speaking actor.

[cecexwrites]

Now I have to ask, 🍑 + Ismene & Cosette’s kink lessons?

Okay so it starts, actually, on the Isle. Ismene talks to Cosette about being curious about- things. And they set up Cosette's room so that Ismene can kind of- sneaky watch when she bring someone (Not Gaston because Ismene might murder him) back to the room.

Then when they're in Auradon and away from Frollo's nasty gnarled fingertips, Ismene is willing to actually step up from watching and into hands on learning. Which starts with teaching her that it's not a crime to masturbate.

Also they definitely room together, which makes learning so much easier

[evilios]

🌞 Aktis Aeliou, or the Machine of Margot's Destruction by Natalia Theodoridou

Spoilers ahead:

Okay! Alright! I did not know what to expect of this short story but it's now one of my favorite alluding to Apollo, it seems.

The web of meanings starts with the name: ἀκτὶς ἀελίου (light/ray of the Sun) is the beginning of the chorus in Sophocles' Antigone, line 100. This line is quoted by — supposedly — Apollo in Greek in this text. This is the chorus after Ismene and Antigone (in the play) talk about Antigone's decision which Ismene considers poor judgement. The light of the Sun is a short moment of respite before the tragedy.

Apollo is a tragic character in this story. It's about the destined tragedy of loving a God. To me, the main heroine is a total sum of Apollo's women while the total sum of Apollo's men are the distant memory. The major meaning, to me, is in the line, "if I love you, you shall die; do you want to die?"

[another-heroine]

Ismene and Motherhood

Warnings of Slightly Spoilers & Narcissistic Parents below

Since I've finally made up my mind about Varn babies' names, I'm thinking about the prompt I had written weeks ago, when Ismene and Maegar was expecting their firstborn. She was frightened: be responsible for a being who you barely know yet is terrifying.

After her father's death, she watched motionlessly her mother withering. Although Orine have had support of the tribe, she got incredulous about love and held her grief too tight. So tight that it impacted her relationship with her children, turning her into a controlling mother, who didn't think twice before use guilty and chantage as weapons.

Ismene was entering the teenagehood, and between she and Mykha, the girl felt more the anguish of Orine. For a long time, Ismene felt guilty for things that were out of her control. Until one day she finally snapped out, and Orine called her ill-bred.

While she kept growing up, the idea of bearing children became more and more unfitting for Ismene. How could she wish for children of her own if they most probably would be doomed to her short-temper and be the first ones to be blamed when things got wrong? The best way to avoid that 'curse' was exactly didn't permit herself to fall in love at first place!

But then she have met Varn, and a long time later they got wed. But fortunately, after all those years on the road, and the improvement as a human, Ismene knew better than anyone else that nothing was written in stone, despite what the Desna's priests in her tribe used to say. She and her children would break that chain, and she would be better thanks to them.

She would never forced a sister to be a mother if she didn't want to, because one day she was like her. The change of heart was hers, and only hers.

BONUS: I've written this with this song on my head because it's totally her emotions towards Maegar and, later, to her first baby:

But I won't die for love

But ever since I've met you

You could have my heart

And I would break it for you...

[junipercalle]

Ismene shrugged. "It isn't like I can talk about sneaking illegal books back. I didn't know if you'd tell Harmonia." She still didn't. It was hard to read people. What if Eryx decided to earn some favor, and turn her in? Should she have said anything at all? "If she finds out now, it's both our contracts," Ismene said. Fortunately, Eryx didn't seem to take it as a threat. "Together, then. So. Do you want to see what I'm working on?" Ismene nodded. "I'd be honored."

Things get spicier for Ismene and Eryx. Read at Royal Road or get the eBook version on amazon/d2d (not linking today for reblog visibility experiment).

You know; I didn't expect some of this to start entering the legal system in my own world within the time I wrote this book; but one must consider such possibilities, I suppose.