#infp vs infj

[intpconvos]

INTP with P-Types

INFP1: What do you guys wanna do tomorrow?

INTP: Should we get a haircut?

INFP2: Okay

INTP: Wait, seriously?

INFP1: Yeah sure, I've been meaning to get one but I'm waaaay too lazy

INTP: What? Me too!

INFP2: Me too!

INFP1: What really?? Okay, let's go!

INTP & INFP2: Let's gooo!

INTP with J-Types

INTP: So what are we doing tomorrow?

INTJ: Have you seen the Google Docs we've sent you 2 weeks ago?

INTP: ...Yes

INFJ: It has all of our itineraries plus grace period and plan B for extra choices and plan C in case there's an emergency and we didn't get to do what we planned to do.

INTJ: But rest assured we've already checked the schedules on all of the places for plan A

INTP:

INTP: Daaaamn

[cbncb0280]

This is my MBTI result for a test I took. But the E/I and T/F were both very close though. But I scored intuition and perceiving by a long chalk, lol. 😂😂

So I kinda agree with this, but I'm certainly not a perfectionist, lol.

[thedarksideofmymoonhasmatches]

"Most INFJ writers report that they receive fragments of the story as downloads into their consciousness. That means that they’re usually involved in some other life activity that is not writing, like driving, gardening, or doing the dishes, when they see an image or “just know” something suddenly about their story. It’s like a little packet of information about their characters, or the next scene in their memoir, just drops into their brain and begins to unfold in their mind’s eye. They usually need a little more time to sit with this download, but then they’re ready to write it down, exactly how they see it in their mind."

I relate a lot to that.

[shy-forceghost]

My MBTI changed and I don't know if I related more or less to this new one ;-;

[anemoiashifts]

places to shift for your personality type !

˖ ݁𖥔 ݁˖ 𐙚 ˖ ݁𖥔 ݁˖

link : https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test

˖ ݁𖥔 ݁˖ 𐙚 ˖ ݁𖥔 ݁˖

intj ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ criminal minds

✦ scooby doo

✦ stranger things

✦ shadow hunters

intp ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ gravity falls

✦ five nights at freddy’s

✦ narnia

✦ night in the woods

entj ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ hunger games

✦ percy jackson

✦ alice in borderland

✦ coraline

entp ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ rick & morty

✦ sherlock

✦ inside job

✦ undertale

infj ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ harry potter

✦ merlin

✦ the walking dead

✦ sabrina the teenage witch

infp ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ star vs the forces of evil

✦ ever after high

✦ spirit farer

✦ animal crossing

enfj ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ game of thrones

✦ locke & key

✦ descendents

✦ demon slayer

enfp ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ doctor who

✦ avatar

✦ dead poets society

✦ fantastic beasts

istj ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ the originals

✦ the office

✦ wandavision

✦ greys anatomy

isfj ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ buffy the vampire slayer

✦ my little pony friendship is magic

✦ sailor moon

✦ over the garden wall

estj ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ firefly

✦ angel the series

✦ umbrella academy

✦ supernatural

esfj ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ lucifer

✦ euphoria

✦ hazbin hotel

✦ scream queens

istp ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ miraculous

✦ monster high

✦ the owl house

✦ little witch academia

isfp ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ amphibia

✦ pokemon

✦ hunter x hunter

✦ outer banks

estp ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ the last of us

✦ scream

✦ divergent

✦ the vampire diaries

esfp ⋆˙⟡♡

✦ emily in paris

✦ once upon a time

✦ pretty little liars

✦ gilmore girls

love you ⋆౨ৎ˚⟡˖ ࣪ !! 🤍

[crushpunky]

Just curious, what would it be like if Drew has an actress!reader with mbti ENFPs as a girlfriend. Headcanons plz <3

ooh this is interesting !!! as an infj this was a bit of a challenge, but fun nonetheless:

firstly, im guessing that drew is an infp or infj.

regardless, i think the relationship between the two of them is based on balance. not that they're super different, just that they balance out each others more extreme traits: introverted vs extroverted, emotional vs reserved, spontaneous vs planned, etc

they both encourage the other to pursue their dreams and the things they want without fear of losing the other. they're both very ambitious and are always striving to help each other accomplish the their goals, whether as an actor/actress or in their own personal lives.

actress!reader's personality just lends so well to acting both in front of the camera and on stage, her natural ability to relate to others making her performances and interactions with others amazingly believable and genuine. drew loves watching her act because she just "gets" it in a way that can't be explained.

the only time where their personalities naturally conflict is where drew tends to be more reserved and hold his feelings in whereas reader seeks emotional comfort in conversation and interaction with others. reader just can't understand why he won't just tell her how he's feeling rather than keeping it all to himself.

at the end of a difficult week, the two of them might go out with some friends or co-stars, but ultimately end the night early back at their house watching a show. they both understand the others needs and have no issue with spending time together with others or just the two of them.

[ferie-anon]

Mbti Dissections+Astrology

- P vs J ppl: The way they argue and reason is different. P ppl rather live in their own ideals and thoughts and peace rather than defend and analyze whether what they think is accurate or other logical grounds. P ppl use their imagination and own interpretation of logic to argue. P ppl rather not rationalize it too much. J ppl try to make sense or think of all the possible ways of an argument and ideology, J ppl have a more logical way to wrap around things and they interpret things with more of the groundwork from previous concepts they’ve learned, etc so when they are confused or disagree with an argument they try to analyze it down or organize it with the facts and reasoning they recall.

- N vs S: Intuition vs. Sensing. Although they sound different, they are relatively similar except distinct in their approach. N ppl tend to appeal and express their care and approach emotionally and abstractly, whereas S ppl tend to relay their thoughts and approach through a more “grounded” and “sensible” way. For instance, an N person might try to put themselves in their friends shoes when they try to comfort them and acknowledge their emotions. An S person might try to comfort and then solve the solution or talk it out with their friend to help them with their concerns or feelings. The approaches are different but ofc both types care for their friends and loved ones. Additionally I notice n ppl talk a lot about different things in conversations and s ppl may sometimes join in or not rlly add on to the conversation.

- E vs I ppl: Extrovert vs. Introvert. It’s kind of easy to distinct between these, no it’s not simply because one likes to talk more and the other is quiet (although that is one aspect). E ppl like to hang out and get energy from meeting ppl and engaging in conversations. I ppl prefer some alone time and NEED time to recharge, ofc they may also like talking to ppl but the difference is that they lose energy after and need some time to recharge alone. Extroverted ppl can keep up or have more energy in terms of talking and expressing to others because they enjoy doing so and etc. Ofc being an extrovert or introvert can fluctuate since it changes in circumstances and extroverts may feel like introverts at times and also lose energy.

(Additionally there are ppl who are ambiverts in between so when taking the mbti test, they may be categorized as an E or I but it may be interchangeable based on the situation and time)

Mbti is a personality type of identification, and ofc not everyone will be exactly the same. Some of these may apply to most ppl but not all.

Here’s also some astrology placements + mbti observations (may not be true to every placement):

🎧 Virgo moons may have a J in their mbti due to their nature of trying to logicalize and organize their reasonings, thoughts, and need for structure and details.

My gemini sun virgo moon friend is an intj and me as a libra sun virgo moon I retook and got infj. We both think similarly in our focus for details and approach in arguments and thinking.

🎧 Sag moons and fire moons may have f or p in their mbti due to how they tend to express and follow their heart, empathize with others, and prefer not to have a specific structure or plan when doing activities etc, often having some impulsive choices/decisions.

My friend who is a virgo sun sag moon is an enfp, the sag moon rlly makes her clumsy and chaotic at times despite her being a virgo lol. I also have a gemini sun leo moon friend and she’s an infp, sensitive and heartwarming, she used to be an isfp 2 years ago. Both of them are very compassionate people with others emotions and expressing their own.

🎧 Scorpio moons may have an s in their mbti, most Scorpio moons struggled with power dynamics early on and had to develop practical and rational problem-solving skills to gain back a sense of personal power and earn respect. Therefore, as a skeptical moon sign that has an eye for detail they value logical thinking skills and common sense over theorizing.

My friend’s bosses often had estj or istj placements. And her grandma who is a taurus sun scorpio moon is an isfj. These MBTI types are also known for implementing a lot of control over others and their careers as they often fit authoritative positions due to their commanding qualities. Her grandma nitpicks about a lot of things at dinner time, is specific about her interests and likes-dislikes, and logical when reasoning with others.

[psychologylovingintj]

a short analysis of INTJ characters and their trauma

thinkin' bout INTJ anti-heroes and villians and how they always seem to have underlying trauma from their childhoods.

INTJ anti-heroes are some of the most complex, incredible characters, especially when written correctly

oftentimes, many of them have something major that happened while they were younger (ex. abusive parents or bullying) and it seems to manifest in them in an interesting way. us INTJs prefer to ignore and repress our emotions, but obviously, trauma doesn't listen to that.

a lot of INTJ characters become numb to emotion because of the trauma they experienced. they become dissociated and eager to forget their pasts. but part of trauma is confronting and moving on from what happened in the past by gaining closure, not denying, ignoring and pushing it away entirely. so, no, INTJs are not emotionless creatures. we just typically deal with emotional issues in different (sometimes unhealthy) ways.

yet other characters (typically the INTJ villians we see in media) get stuck in an Ni-Fi loop. they bypass their rational decision making (Te aux) when making decisions. they wallow in their emotions and lose all touch with the outside world and reality. they're dissociated and eager to forget their pasts, but in a different way. they turn to violence and want revenge.

i see people argue that a very obvious INTJ character "has to be an INFJ (or INFP), because they cried about their trauma!" no, for one thing, that's not how MBTI works (see: cognitive functions and the Te/Fi axis vs. the Fe/Ti axis), and that's not how people work.

on another note, often, a main part of an INTJ character's arc is overcoming their trauma. it is such a recurring theme that i just bet on it happening sometime in the book/movie whenever i find an INTJ character.

and, of course, the way characters act in media tend to reflect the way people act in real life.

INTJs are often ridiculed and bullied in their school years because we are different from others. our brains work differently and we don't fit in. people undermine how much trauma bullying and childhood abuse can create, and how we're often not taught the correct ways to deal with it, so we just get stuck carrying it our life.

tl;dr - my two points:

INTJ anti-heroes and villians are some of the most complex and interesting characters to unpack, as they often have some sort of trauma that must be overcame for their arc to be complete

just because an INTJ character shows emotion, it doesn't automatically make them an INFJ

[realcube]

YOU GOT: KŌSHI SUGAWARA

˚ʚ♡ɞ˚ matchup for @blu3cr3am

˚ʚ♡ɞ˚ if you would like a matchup, read this!

'My Zodiac is Leo and my MBTI is INFP'

𓆩♡𓆪 i'm pretty sure suga is a gemini

𓆩♡𓆪 i'm no zodiac expert which is why i am now going to show you an excerpt from the cosmopolitan

𓆩♡𓆪 "Both are incredibly playful, creative, and outgoing. If they're interested in a serious, long-term relationship, they'll need to learn to really hear each other out, and find a compromise on some of their differences—like Gemini's spontaneity vs. Leo's need for stability. All in all though, these two are a great pair."

𓆩♡𓆪 however i think in the case of you and suga the leo and gemini roles would be switched

𓆩♡𓆪 according to the personality database, sugawara is a infj which means you have identical types besides judging/perceiving

𓆩♡𓆪 your j/p determines how you interact and view the world: judging types (suga) tend to look at it from a more rational, decisive way, while percieving types are more spontaneous and adapt better to change

𓆩♡𓆪 so what the zodiac excerpt says is definately true but i think the roles are switched, with you (the leo) being the spontaneous one and suga (the gemini) being the one who needs stability

𓆩♡𓆪 but yeah i think you are still a great match in that way so when suga gets in his own way by overthinking things: like he probably struggles to plan important dates (like anniversaries or birthdays) because he just wants everything to be perfect and when he's not 100% confident in what he is doing, he'll become sooo frustrated

𓆩♡𓆪 or like if he has planned the perfect picnic date, and one the day the weather defies the odds and it starts raining, he will smile on the outside but on the inside he will legit be panicking and dying over the perfect date being ruined

𓆩♡𓆪 so you're great for him in a sense you'd be able to calm him down and adapt better to the change and reassure him that it's not the end of the world

︵‿︵‿୨♡୧‿︵‿︵  

'My ideal date would be us together, enjoying peace and quiet and watching a movie. Candles light as we cuddle.'

𓆩♡𓆪 literally perfect for suga

𓆩♡𓆪 as i just mentioned, i can defo imagine him to be the type to bust his ass to plan the "perfect dates" all the way down to even the smallest, most minute details

𓆩♡𓆪 like if y'all are going on a bowling date, he WILL go and check that they have your preferred bowling ball weight before he books

𓆩♡𓆪 and being so thorough if obviously really taxing so he needs someone who could encourage him to just ... chill

𓆩♡𓆪 not that he minds planning big, elaborate dates for you, but if you preferred staying indoors and chilling, that would take a huge mental weight off of his shoulders

𓆩♡𓆪 and he'd so enjoy that too

𓆩♡𓆪 ESPECIALLY post time skip suga that works as a elementary school teacher oh lawd

𓆩♡𓆪 like yes he loves putting in the effort to dress up nice and go on cute dates to fancy restaurants, or going on fun bowling/mini-golf/physical activity dates

𓆩♡𓆪 but after a long day of having the life drained out of you by children and having your patience TESTED, he does not have the energy for all that

𓆩♡𓆪 so the fact he knows you're comfortable and really enjoy movie dates is perfect. he's happy to just lie down with you on the couch, cuddle and watch anything you want to show him

𓆩♡𓆪 (just not a disney movie though.. please.. as an elementary school teacher, the whole frozen soundtrack is probably burned onto the surface of his prefrontal cortex)

𓆩♡𓆪 oh and he might fall asleep halfway through the movie :P

︵‿︵‿୨♡୧‿︵‿︵  

'i most likely will be the one to yell first but I am always the quickest to apologise and realise my wrongs'

𓆩♡𓆪 okay so at first i was thinking yaamguchi for you but this is the statement that IMMEDIATELY made go with suga

𓆩♡𓆪 because boy needs someone that can match his energy

𓆩♡𓆪 he can be so hot-headed at times so if he was with someone who was very calm and reserved then that would just be cruel

𓆩♡𓆪 but the fact you are able to dish back out what he is serving is sooo *chef kiss

𓆩♡𓆪 also though he is never really aggressive, he just has little out bursts sometimes so the fact you are willing to deescalate the situation first is good because sometimes he'll yell and say stuff he doesn't really mean

𓆩♡𓆪 to be honest though, when that happens you probably won't even get the chance to apologise first because literally as soon as something remotely mean leaves his mouth (and he realises he said it to you and not the 1st years), he'll instantly slap his hand over his mouth and say sorry

𓆩♡𓆪 plus it doesn't happen all that often anyway

𓆩♡𓆪 sometimes though, (esp post timeskip) whenever he is in a bad mood and complaining about the most trivial things it'll dissolve into a screaming match which always ends in a fuckton of laughter

𓆩♡𓆪 like after a while neither of you can take the other one seriously when they yell

︵‿︵‿୨♡୧‿︵‿︵

for @blu3cr3am: sorry this is 2 years late but better late than never, amarite?

[velvet-cupcake-games]

Hi I'm not sure I'd you do these kinds of asks but what are the characters MBTIs? If you dont mind me asking. Have a nice day!

Hiya! I do any kind of ask, don't hesitate to write in!

I'll answer this one with the caviat that it's very off-the-cuff. I'm not a big MBTI person (though my dad is, so I know a decent amount about it) and don't generally build my characters with the profiles in mind, so in practice they may not always fit the vague profile I gave them today.

Marion: Can vary depending on RP choices, vaguely ISFJ.

Robin: ENFP

John: ESFJ

Will: INFP

Meissa: INFJ

Alanna: ENTP

Geoffrey: ISTJ

Gui: ISFP (I am the least convinced of Gui's, I don't really see a good "type" for him.)

Of all the characters, I'd say Robin and Geoffrey are the closest to accurately described by their type description. I did think a bit about an ENFP vs. ISTJ faceoff when developing them.

However, part of the reason Robin and Geoffrey get along so poorly is that they have more in common than they'd like to admit. You know how sometimes you have the wrong things in common with somebody and it makes you rub against them the wrong way?

[socionicsdatabase]

INFj (EII) Vs INFp (IEI)

These two quasi-identical types have the same strength of each function, but in very different positions. Both are dreamers with a good understanding of people, but with different approaches and values.

Fi Lead (4D - EII, Valued) vs. Fi Demonstrative (4D - IEI, Unvalued)

Both of these types have strong introverted ethics, and both are skilled at understanding the bonds between people as well as the hidden feelings and emotions. The difference is that Fi is the focus of the EII, while the IEI downplays it's importance. The EII is focused on their own personal feelings about things and people - how a certain person or situation makes them feel, and how close or distant they want to be to that. This is the lens that guides their decisions.

In contrast, the focus of the IEI is the unfolding of time. Unlike the EII, they are not "ethical analysts" (Stratiyevskaya). They are willing to overlook their own likes, dislikes, and personal preferences in favor of the prevailing emotional atmosphere of the moment. They are more concerned with the way emotions are being expressed, rather than analyzing whether they are right or wrong. Such judgments often occur subconsciously for the IEI.

Ne creative (3D - EII, Valued) vs. Ne Ignoring (3D - IEI, Unvalued)

The EII is constantly evaluating possibilities. They can easily see the various ways that a situation or relationship can unfold. Fixating on only one option can seem limiting to EIIs. EIIs are also more likely to focus on "what could be" rather than "what is", as they can easily see the potential within a person or situation.

In contrast, although IEIs can also see many different paths, they prefer to focus only on the one they believe is most likely. This can make them less hesitant and indecisive than EIIs, because they are not constantly focusing on the other possibilities.

Role Ti (2D - EII, Unvalued) vs. Ti Mobilizing (2D - IEI, Valued)

The EII can appear analytical, but truly the EII is an analyst only of people. They can be skilled at going into great depth and give detailed explanations regarding human behavior. Because Ti is weak, their explanations may seem too wordy and overly descriptive, but they do know how to describe things in depth. When it comes to analysis of other topics outside of people, however, they may have very little interest or ability. For example, an EII may be able to give a detailed explanation of the potential conflict that could arise between two people. However, when asked to analyze a topic removed from relations and people, such as the ingredients in a chemical reaction, they may fail or have to put in significantly more effort. Long explanations of logical systems may be seen by the EII as unnecessary and overly complicated; they would rather someone tell them how to use the information in a practical way.

In contrast, IEIs greatly appreciate in-depth explanations on systems of information. They don't mind if it isn't something they can actually put into practical use. They just enjoy making sense of things. This may be why the hidden agenda of IEIs is "to understand". IEIs (and SEIs) are driven to make sense of the world around them, and Ti ego types help them to accomplish this.

Se Vulnerable (1D - EII, Unvalued) vs. Se Suggestive (1D - IEI, Valued)

EIIs value harmony and peace in their daily lives and dislike it when someone interrupts that by trying to "push them" into action (Si > Se). They don't like physically exerting themselves and are not naturally inclined to athletics. They also tend to dislike aggressive actions and open displays of power and status, and see such things as crass and unnecessary.

In contrast, IEIs do want someone who stimulates them to action. Big, bold displays of power and strength tend to be impressive to them. They enjoy having strong people in their life who can take action. Unlike EIIs, the IEI appreciates it when someone "shakes things up" and pushes them.

Te Suggestive (1D - EII, Valued) vs. Te Vulnerable (1D - IEI, Unvalued)

EIIs appreciate competent, knowledgeable people who can get things done. EIIs tend to be conservative with spending and may excessively save what they have. They admire a skilled use of resources and being shown how they can make the best, most efficient use of what they have. They are often trying to learn new things and appreciate it when someone can demonstrate the best way to do something.

In contrast, IEIs appreciate a bit of extravagance. They tend to be more interested in appearances than practicality. They may be poor at managing money and have difficulty saving resources. They are more interested in how things work versus actually having to use them (Ti > Te). Being shown how to do a particular task may be seen as patronizing by them.

Si Mobilizing (2D - EII, Valued) vs. Si Role (2D - IEI, Unvalued)

The EII functions best in environments that are pleasing to their senses. While some types can ignore discomfort and get the job done, the EII has a hard time doing their best if the environment is lacking harmony. Often, however, EIIs struggle to create a harmonious environment themselves. For example, they may have no idea how to buy a comfortable chair, how to adjust lighting to avoid glare, or how to arrange furniture, but they do need to have all of these things in place before they can perform at their best.

IEIs may actively try to create an environment that is pleasing to the senses, but their aesthetic tastes are based more on status and expensive items than on practicality or comfort (valued Se > unvalued Si). For example, an office designed by an IEI may have flashy, eye-catching furniture that is costly and artistically arranged, but is impractical for daily use. Unlike an Si ego type, IEIs are not naturally able to balance both aesthetics and functionality.

Fe Ignoring (3D - EII, Unvalued) vs. Fe Creative (3D - IEI, Valued)

The EII can easily see the prevailing emotional atmosphere. They know when people want them to smile, laugh, or give an emotional reaction in some way. However, EIIs only choose to show emotions when they themselves feel like it, regardless of what the people around them are doing. If everyone in the room is laughing and having a good time but the EII is having a bad day, they will not join in, even if it "kills the mood". The EII also tends to be private and protective about their emotions. They will show only what they want to show, and may conceal other feelings that they do not want others to know.

The IEI, in contrast, will ignore their own emotions in order to blend into the overall emotional atmosphere around them. The IEI is skilled at crafting the exact emotional response that they know others want from them, and can use the emotional environment as a "tool". As Beta types, IEIs think it is important for all emotions to be expressed - whether positive or negative, as long as it is honest and authentic. Concealing emotions may be seen as dishonest.

Ni Demonstrative (4D - EII, Unvalued) vs. Ni Lead (4D - IEI, Valued)

The EII can "feel time" the way an IEI can. They can sense when the time is right for something and can feel the way things are unfolding, however, it is not an ability they are able to consciously tap into or control like an IEI. The EII's sense of time is often used in the background, and may give them vivid memories of certain events in time that made a particular impression. As Stratiyevskaya notes, "Some of the representatives of this type have a phenomenal memory and can even in old age describe in detail the events that happened to them in early childhood, consistently restoring in memory all the circumstances to the smallest detail." Ni demonstrative also enables EIIs to understand when is the right time to act in regard to relationships. They are not rushed or hurried, knowing that all things will happen at the right time.

In contrast to the subconscious background workings of Ni in the EII, the IEI consciously "conducts" time, subjecting everyone to their own pace (Stratiyevskaya). For example, the IEI may drag out a conversation or intentionally stall a person. They do not like to keep themselves busy with activity, acting only when they know the time for action is right. With their mastering and conscious manipulation of time, the IEI can save their energy and avoid the pitfalls of hasty action, appearing to "walk into" favorable moments at just the right time. As Stratiyevskaya notes, the IEI "knows how to "sit out" troubled times in some kind of "safe harbor" or arrange for himself an "incubation period" under someone's "wing".

[intpconvos]

Judging vs Perceiving Types: Joining an Organization

INFJ consciously looking up organizations for 3 months: Wanna join me?

INTP: What is it about?

INFJ: /sends link to page/

INFJ: Orientation is 2 days from now

INTP: Wait what???

A few moments later

INTP: Okay let's go!

INFP: Wait, me too!

[novafire-is-thinking]

Transformers Robot Husband Poll: MBTI Types

A few of you have seen me mention this special interest of mine, but the rest of you are new. Hello, and welcome. I’d like to talk about our Round Three* contenders in light of personality typology, specifically the MBTI theory based on Jungian typology.

(*Why 3 instead of 4? Because I’d planned to post this yesterday and already had those characters listed.)

Yes, I’m aware this is classified as a pseudoscience. Yes, I put a questionable amount of stock in it. Now you see why I’d get along with Drift so well. 😛 This post is for fun, so please don’t take it as seriously as I am unless you’re genuinely curious. The main goal of this post is to present some interesting observations related to the correlation between who are most desirable fictional husbands and their MBTI types. That’s it. A TL;DR is at the end for the Blurrs among you. Anyway, here we go:

While I’m sure most of you have at least heard of MBTI, you should know that it’s not just the four-letter dichotomies: I vs. E, T vs. F, etc. I won’t bore you with the details; I just want you to be aware that mainstream culture has watered down the theory to a four-letter code when there’s far more complexity beneath the surface. Cognitive functions, function axes, etc.

Without further ado, here are the contenders from Round Three (the versions I know best) and what I think each one’s most likely type is:

Cyclonus - ISTJ (IDW)

Whirl - ESTP (IDW)

Misfire - ENTP (IDW)

Ratchet - ISTJ (IDW, TFP, TFA)

Heatwave - ESTJ (Rescue Bots)

Knockout - ESTP (TFP)

Drift - INFP or INFJ (IDW) / ISTJ (RiD15)

Breakdown - ISFP (TFP)

Shockwave - INTJ (IDW, Cyberverse) / INTP (TFP)

Skids - ENTP (IDW)

Soundwave - ISTJ (TFP, IDW, G1) / ISTP (Cyberverse)

Starscream - ENTP (TFP, IDW, G1)

Wheeljack - ISTP (TFP) / ENTP (Cyberverse)

Blaster* - ESFP (G1)

Perceptor - INTP (IDW, Cyberverse, G1)

Jazz* - ESFP or ENFP (G1, RiD15)

Skyfire* - INFJ? (G1)

Tarantulas - ENTP (IDW)

Thundercracker* - ENTP? (G1)

Brainstorm - ENTP (IDW)

Swindle - ENTP (TFA)

*I just skimmed their TFwiki page and guessed.

Bold text means I’m certain of my conclusion.

“What does all of it mean though?”

Well, it tells me that the fandom really loves their xNTPs and xSTJs. You may have no idea what that means on a detailed level, and that’s fine. The short version is that people either love down-to-earth guys who are dependable and know how to get stuff done or the funny guys who have a nerdy, creative, or rebellious streak. This is obvious just from looking at the results and tags, but it’s interesting to me that the overall trends can also be seen through the lens of MBTI.

Now, for the fun part: I’m expecting the semifinal contenders to be Cyclonus, Knockout, Soundwave, and Jazz. Their respective types are ISTJ, ESTP, ISTJ, and ESFP (or ENFP). Once again, opposing temperaments. (i.e. ISxJ vs. ESxP)

Furthermore, the projected finalists are Cyclonus and Soundwave—both of whom are ISTJs. The conclusion is that, despite the appeal of the xNxP guys, ISTJ characters are more likely than any other type to be seen as good husband material, which lines up perfectly with the general stereotypes associated with ISTJs.

TL;DR - The majority of the fandom agrees that ISTJ characters are peak (stereotypical) husband material, and a deeper look at the type would reveal that they are absolutely correct.

[adhd-merlin]

merlin's personality type (mbti)

Post inspired by my own poll, which was in turn sort of inspired by a post calling Gwaine and Merlin "extrovert bisexuals". This baffled me at the time because, to me, Merlin was obviously an introvert. But when I stopped to think about it, it wasn't actually all that obvious. 

As I mentioned previously in my own tags, I think you could make a decent argument for either Extrovert Merlin or Introvert Merlin. After some flip-flopping, I think I've gone back to my original position (for now). Introvert Merlin still feels right.

Why, you didn't ask?

Below I ramble about MBTI types despite actually knowing very little about the whole system. Read at your own risk.

(I want to clarify that I don't think there's anything scientific about MBTI classification. I like to think about it in the same way I would try to sort a character into a Hogwarts house. It's just fun.)

Since it was proving tricky to pinpoint Merlin's position on the Introversion/Extraversion spectrum, I decided to first narrow it down to a few MBTI types that might suit his character.

The 16 MBTI personalities can be divided into four “macro-categories” (known as “temperaments”):

Guardians

Artisans

Rationals

Idealists

To me Merlin obviously belongs in the "Idealists" group, which would make "NF" the "core" of his type (xNFx). This leaves us with two orientations still to be defined: "Extroversion vs Introversion" and "Judging vs Perceiving".

(The 4 MBTI dimensions)

Potentially, Merlin could be an:

INFP – The Mediator

ENFP – The Campaigner

INFJ – The Advocate

ENFJ – The Protagonist

Judging vs Perceiving

One thing I find interesting about Merlin is his decision-making process.

There are some momentous decisions that Merlin spends a considerable time agonising over – for example, whether to kill Morgana or, later on, Mordred – but once he's made a choice, he tends to actually be quite inflexible about it.

Seriously, good luck stopping the little guy once he's decided that something Must Be Done.

“Don't try and stop me, because...you can't.” (The Wicked Day, 4x03)

(That's right, Gaius. Fucking deal with it.)

Merlin will BULLDOZE his way to his goal regardless of anyone's opinion, sometimes even in the face of actual evidence suggesting this might actually be a Bad Idea™.

There is one significant occasion in which Merlin backtracks after having made a huge choice, and it's when he resolves to save Morgana's life after an accident he involuntarily caused (her fall down some stairs) left her deadly injured.

I'll come back to the reasons behind Merlin's change of mind later. What's interesting to notice is that, even in this case, once Merlin’s made his decision he sticks to it quite stubbornly.

He has to ask Kilgharrah for help to heal Morgana and his exchange with him, in case you don’t remember, goes something like this:

Kilgharrah: Merlin don't this is a terrible idea

Merlin: JUST FUCKING DO IT

This stubbornness – or better yet, inflexibility – makes me lean towards Judging rather than Perceiving as Merlin's preferred mental function.

While it's true that Merlin sometimes defers making a decision until it's no longer possible (see: freeing Kilgharrah), which is superficially similar to the way Perceivers prefer to keep their options open for as long as they can, Merlin doesn’t do it to see if new information might come up and help him make a better choice. He only needs time to internally evaluate the decision and consider how it aligns with his moral values.

Once a choice is made, Merlin can act very impulsively – as I've joked about here – and is very reluctant to deviate from the plan, which is typical of "Judger" types.

I also think this becomes especially apparent during the whole Mordred situation. Merlin never really pauses to take Mordred's actual actions into account when deciding whether or not he poses a threat to Arthur – despite Gaius trying to at least make him consider that Mordred might not mean the king any harm. Once Merlin decides that Morden is dangerous and needs to go, there's no turning back (not until it's too late).

Extroversion vs Introversion

(A typical introvert, according to most people.)

Merlin tends to make decisions based on his own values and feelings first. Yes, he will consult others in moments of doubt – like Gaius or Kilgharrah – but his first instinct and tendency is to do what feels right to him even when it's not the wisest or most logical course of action based on the facts at his disposal.

(Incidentally, I find this interesting when compared to Arthur, who – in my opinion – turns to others for counsel far more readily [Merlin, Gwen, Agravaine] and gives more weight to the advice he receives. Arthur’s actually more open and flexible than Merlin when presented with evidence that contradicts his worldview – see his attitude to magic at different points in the show, perhaps most notably in episode 5x05, when he decides to return to the Disir.)

Merlin's decision-making progress is very much inward focused, which makes me think of an Introvert rather than an Extrovert.

I'm thinking of Introvert vs Extrovert (or Extravert) in a Jungian sense here, which is to say, not (just) how someone interacts with others and how social interaction might drain or energise them – quite a subjective metric* – but rather whether they have a tendency to turn inwards or outwards to process information and react to external stimuli.

Or, in Jung's own words, whether someone is "more influenced by environmental influences or more influenced by subjective factors".

An introverted consciousness can be well aware of external conditions, but is not motivated by them. The extreme introvert responds primarily to internal impressions. (x)

In this specific sense, I think Merlin acts more as an Introvert than an Extrovert, which would make his MBTI personality type “INFJ”.

INFJ – The Advocate

INFJs are also known as Advocates, Protectors or (rather aptly, in Merlin's case) Counsellors.

I won’t go into a description of this personality type here – like I said I’m no expert, and you can Google it just as easily as I can. 

I’ll just highlight a few INFJ traits that I think are very relevant to Merlin.

Once they have formed an intuition about something, INFJs tend to stick to it very tightly, often to the point of being single-minded in their focus. INFJs are sometimes viewed as stubborn and unyielding. (x)

Because the INFJ has such strong intuitive capabilities, they trust their own instincts above all else. This may result in an INFJ's stubbornness and tendency to ignore other people's opinions. (x)

Something typical of INFJs is also having strong "hunches" (what Arthur would call "a funny feeling"). They are very much a "mystic" or "visionary" type.

INFJs have uncanny insight into people and situations. They get "feelings" about things and intuitively understand them. (x)

Of course, much of Merlin’s intuition is based on magic, but that isn't always the case.

When Gwen Comes Back Wrong™ from the Dark Tower, Merlin can sense she isn't quite the same. When Gaius asks him to elaborate, however, he is unable to articulate exactly why he feels that way, because there is nothing obviously different about Gwen.

MERLIN: Have you noticed anything about Gwen of late? GAIUS: Nothing unusual. Why? MERLIN: I'm not sure exactly. GAIUS: Something she’s said? Something she's done? MERLIN: No. It's nothing in particular. (A Lesson in Vengeance, 5x07)

I'd like to point out that 1. Merlin looks especially hot in this scene, 2. his "funny feeling" has nothing to do with magic here. In fact, it takes him stalking Gwen and digging for evidence to discover that she is conspiring with Morgana.

Advocates tend to carry around a sense – whether conscious or not – of being different from most people. With their rich inner lives and their deep, abiding desire to find their life purpose, they don’t always fit in with those around them. (...) Many Advocates feel that their life has a unique purpose – a mission that they were put onto this earth to fulfill. For people with this personality type, one of the most rewarding aspects of life is seeking out this purpose – and then, once they’ve found it, striving to do it justice. (x)

Merlin's search for purpose is one of his main drivers (if not the main one). He almost immediately asks Gaius if he knows why he was born with magic and is quite heartbroken when Gaius can't offer a satisfying answer. After Kilgharrah tells him about the prophecy that concerns him and Arthur, Merlin throws himself into his destiny wholeheartedly, readily adopting it as his life's purpose.

Another INFJ characteristic which I think fits Merlin’s character quite well is that INFJs are harmony-seekers and deeply concerned about others’ feelings.

We see it at times in Merlin’s interactions with Gaius – although the two of them have their disagreements, and Merlin can be quite vocal about his opinion, Merlin's first instinct is usually to keep secret anything that might upset or worry Gaius too much.

For example, when Gaius earnestly pleads with Merlin not to meet with Finna (The Kindness of Strangers, episode 5x10), Merlin gives an evasive answer rather than confronting him, despite having already made his decision.

Being at odds with Gaius is truly distressing to Merlin – as shown in episode 3x09 (Love in the Time of Dragons), where Merlin's dejection after an argument with Gaius is evident enough for Arthur to notice and try to offer his advice.

Although INFJs rely primarily on Introverted Intuition (their dominant function) this is supported by Extroverted Feeling, their auxiliary function.

Extraverted Feeling is the secondary function in INFJs. Deeply concerned with the energy, moods, and feelings of others, INFJs have deep insights into people and situations and make decisions based on how they will affect people. (x)

In stressful situations, an INFJ might try to rely on emotions when making decisions, especially if it means pleasing other people. (x)

I think the best example of the above trait is Merlin deciding to save Morgana’s life in episode 3x05 (The Crystal Cave) after his initial decision to let her die. He does not do this because of any new evidence or information – he still has every reason to believe Morgana poses a threat to the king and kingdom, if not immediately at least in the near future – but because he's witnessed how her imminent death is affecting those he cares about (in this case, Arthur and Gwen).

It could be argued that Merlin’s choice not to reveal his secret to Arthur is also partly motivated by his Extraverted Feeling tendencies rather than just self-preservation.

"I didn't want to put you in that position" – he tells Arthur – again, showing a keen awareness of other people's feelings and a desire to maintain social harmony.

You can read more about the INFJ personality type here:

Portrait of an INFJ and INFJ & Relationships

INFJ Personality

INFJ: Introverted, Intuitive, Feeling, Judging

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*I've stumbled upon this article which elaborates on cognitive Extraversion/Introversion, as opposed to introversion and extraversion as they are commonly understood: Typing Tutorial

[randomfoggytiger]

Typing: INTPs In Their Own Words

A short while ago, I created a Mulder Typing post explaining why he's an INTP (not INFJ/INFP); and, while I was compiling notes, I collected some comments from INTP users and stashed them away in a document. While going back through to get inspired for a future post (whatever that will be), I found them again; and was struck with a brilliant idea: why don't I simply post them in full so that everyone can read INTP thoughts/processes in their own words? There are many flavors of INTPs (since Typing is just a system showing how the brain processes information, not a personality box you have to stuff people into-- the old Nature vs. Nurture dynamic)-- perhaps you'd be interested in what they have to say?

There's a lot of good, some bad, and a little ugly; but we need a full picture to see these good souls for who they are~.

(Shoutout to my INTP mutual @baronessblixen! She mainly inspired this post for me~.)

**Note**: I will try to translate the technical terms as I go along (since they are mostly referring to Typing terminology and processes), so don't worry if the comment doesn't make much sense at first! :DDD

And now-- in no particular order-- here they are on their own terms!

""Why bother... Why do I even bother?.... Why would anyone care?...." The mantras of the INTP"

""They are legitimately worried that other people in the world are stupid."" As an INTP, I genuinely started to have that worry when I started noticing that my former classmates are holding executive jobs. As for fashion sense, I used to let my mom buy my clothes until late high school. But in the past 10 years or so and probably due to my ENTJ sister's influence and my interests in arts I started to develop a bizarre wardrobe. It had mellowed down a bit but I still get "that looks cool but I'd never do it myself" comments."

"I’m an INTP and the telling the same story over and over again is definitely a thing. But I don’t do it because I don’t remember having told it that person, usually. I’m usually the one who remembers everything I’ve ever said to someone, or heard from them in response in unreasonable amounts of detail. And then, over time, no one else remembers our conversations as well. So I start telling the same story I like telling, assuming that either they don’t remember hearing it, or if they do, they’ll stop me and say they remember me telling that one."

"The Ni critic explains why i can never decide on an acedemic/career path. Afraid of not choosing the wrong path or not being able to contribute anything new/novel/inovative to the field. But desperately wanting to prove to the world our brain has some thing significant to contribute but afaid of failing"

"Ti is logic and it’s basically what the individual believes is true or false. Like me, for example, if this is truth and this has to be true, basically, if this-then this, constantly." 

"My INTP younger sister is exactly like this [easily exploited]. I hate when she lets peope use her at a door mat. I've dated many INTPs as an INTJ female and really really love the dynamic. But how do I cultivate "immoveability" into the INTP? Personally, my own views are what matter to me, but I find INTPs to almost be too flexible (if that makes sense). One of my exes used to get taken advantage so much it caused me to question his love for himself. I love my sister and obviously want wants best for her, how do I give her some of the INTJ "immoveability" to be less of a door mat?"

"So I’m an INTP but I don’t feel like I’m nowhere near brilliant. I now understand why I always felt so different from everyone else. I understand stuff easier than most but I have to break it down and reiterate to myself. I also did poorly in school until last 2 years of college.... I also have a hard time putting my words together or finding the right thing to say or word to use."

"As a INTP I hate jobs with hierarchy. The idea that someone with a lesser mind will be in charge of me will irritate ... me. At the same time I don't want to be the boss either, the idea of having to baby sit lesser minds will also irritate me lol. The person in charge in my opinion has to be highly intelligent, because that is the only time ill accept it because then I feel like I actually have something to learn from that person to further my own knowledge and the position they have is actually justified in my head."

"In my opinion, INTPs "inevitability" stems from their pessimistic functions, both in the ego and the shadow. The sharp Ne [Me: the fate of all humanity, not just one's own path forward] parent with how responsble it is with its forsight combined with the Fe [Me: human interconnection and emotional outreach] in aspirational mode can provide the most efficient choices for anyone to be better. While their shadow reinforces with  using their will with Ni [Me: personal future and fate, the path one creates forward for oneself] critic and principles with Fi [Me: personalized morals and beliefs] demon/angelic to give structure and brings things to reality to what they foresee."

"I’m an INTP, and can tell you in all honesty that we view forgiveness very differently than all the other types. Forgiveness is but something that you acquire, but in fact more of a gift. You either have it, or you don’t"

"MBTi type claim that they’re INTPs and use it as a crutch to not get anything done or not to go anywhere in life. To be honest, that’s not how that works. INTPs just get too comfortable, and really the only way to motivate an INTP or an INFP because they have Si child is to just make them uncomfortable, and to pull them out of that behind the scenes realm. So, in general respect the behind the scenes, but if they’re not growing as people, if they’re not becoming better human beings, be prepared to pull them out of the behind the scenes, be prepared to expose them, because it’s the only way they will grow. They only understand pain. It’s kind of like those people who have to hit rock bottom before they ever grow up, right?" 

"[Me: Context-- INTP's Nemesis makes them want to question everything, even if they like the information they're given; but often ther Si Child doesn't want to get out of their comfy routine to actually fact check it.] The nemissis thing is funny because as I watched this (and just about everything else I have some experience with) I thought "yeah you seem to have a good grasp of this, but if I had time..." and then I moved on, my inner critic was appeased."

"It doesn’t mean that we should be labeling them hermits or these people who are not good with human beings, etc. Especially INTPs, people are just not as much of a priority to them, because they’re too busy playing with their metaphysical systems. You know, it’s like a big toyland universe that they have access to, mentally, that they’re able to use their thinking models and solve problems. Life to them is a giant puzzle box. Let them play with their puzzle box. They really need that."

" I was talking recently with an INTP mother, who’s actually very good at type, and she trained her son or her daughter, I don’t remember which … But she’s married to an ESTP and they go to church and get involved in church events, and she’d be extroverting in her unconscious or her subconscious side of her mind at that point, and then all of a sudden, she’s like tapped out of energy and she just has to completely disappear and people are like, “Where did she go? Where did she go?” And you’ll find her in a corner where there’s like nobody but her, literally doing nothing but playing puzzles. That’s just how INTPs are."

"Whereas Ne users are very beautiful, they just like to be told by the Ni user what they should do, right? Because the Ni users connected to extraverted sensing and then the Ne users able to be like, okay, “Well I should do this because that’s what you want,” right?” That’s how it works. [Me: Meaning-- Ni users are more focused on what they want/their path forward; and Ne users are less focused on those areas, and are chill if Ni calls most of the shots as long as their opinions/voices are heard.]"

"Fe [Me: INTPs] users want to feel valued, not be source of value. [Me: Meaning-- they don't want to be the stereotypical male bird in a mating ritual dancing and making a big fuss. Others can do that to make them feel valued; but that's not how they show someone that they love, value, or care about them.]"

"Growth and self improvement has always felt to me to be an illusory concept. Obviously we change based on experiences but you can never predict if the experiences you are about to experience are going to lead to being "better" than you were. And what constitutes better? This is the philisophical black hole an INTP like myself can get stuck in when it comes to wanting anything."

"My Fi Demon is a really sharp and brutally honest critic that tells the object of my anger everything that makes them wrong. It’s often followed by guilt, even though I’m only speaking the truth without applying any filter."

"I think with INTPs if they are smart taking the initiative to learn from self help books or if they grow   up in a family and environment that constantly challenges them, it's more about learning what to avoid after repeated experiences of getting burned. I learned about physical pain through sports starting at a young age thanks to my father and social anxiety, dealing with it head on in sports locker rooms, taking toastmasters classes to become a good public speaker, approaching people in cold approach sales etc. So I have the ability to tolerate pain if needed but also have the knowledge on what to stay away from because I've experienced it repeatedly and already know the outcome." 

"I definitely wish my parents had been strict with me. When I asked them for advice, they told me they had no advice to give, and that I should do whatever I want to do. I support myself now, but I spent 10+ years aimless, living off of them. I would have built more useful skills, self-respect, confidence, and better values if they had guided me towards a career and a normal lifestyle. I will definitely give my kids an ultimatum to move out and support themselves for at least a year at age 18, but also will give loving guidance and provide a sense of how to live rather than a liberal attitude of laissez-fair parenting."

"those INTPs, you know, driving their car, they’re like the old man driving their cars, you know what I mean, or the old woman, taking their jolly sweet time, you know, not really in a hurry, I’m never in a hurry. I make sure there’s enough time in my day scheduled, so I can take my time on the road, and [others], you know, cuss at me, honk their horns at me, you know" 

"I agree with you about the subconscious part of INTP. We do care about our loved ones. But if we KNOW that they’re not going to listen, why would we bother?"

"hero of the INTP is a little different. It is Ti hero, logic comes first, they can see into the future of other people, but they do it from a more responsible, a pessimistic point of view." 

"I know that although I always had a real hard time falling in-love and develop strong feelings for a guy, I didn’t have any difficulties being committed and loyal. I know that as a female INTP, it takes lot to decide on a lifelong partner, but once that decision is made, I am fiercely loyal"

"Sometimes, as an INTP, I feel like that I actually am a really-really bad person. I think that I'm actually a psycho, but now I know the reason. When my father died 7 years ago, I remember it was a cold night, my families were grieved, my mother was cried hysterically and so my big brother. Instead, I did not feel anything atm, my aunt kept telling me that my father Infront of me already died but I still didn't feel anything. I was thought that it just a phase of human life and everyone will die eventually, until my brother yelled at me 'What are you doing? It's our father who died!!!' So tried so hard to cry, I didn't even know if that was a real cry or not. And when everyone was still grieving, I decided to sleep so maybe tomorrow I would get my feeling and start to grieve. But after several weeks, I started to think that I don't have my father anymore, the one who was always love me no matter what I did, then finally I can feel my lost and start to cry sincerely. Don't be like me my fellow INTP friends, feeling is important. Don't be so full of logic in those important moments and just blend in. Have a good day!"

"Most of time I have to outsmart myself to not smoke weed, lay in bed, play video games, watch movies and rather go to work instead. Getting out of the comfort zone, nah rather, throwing myself out of the comfort zone is so crucial for me. It completely changes my mindset and pushes me towards growth."

"I'm an INTP. I was married to a very abusive man and had spent 8 years trying to make up my mind as to what I was going to do about it. I went to work one day with a black eye and a co-worker said "if you don't leave him I'll call CPS and then your kids will be taken away" (whether she would have done it or not, idk). That forced me to make the decision to leave and take me out of my "comfort zone". It was the best thing that someone has ever done for me."

"I loved when you talked about wisdom being harsh and "fire". Yeah turns out telling someone "here's the harsh truth about what you're doing wrong, just stop doing it and you'll be fixed" doesn't go over well with most folks. As a teacher, I could absolutely tell how kids were going to turn out due to their parents' behaviour (if the parents were too accepting, the kids would end up helpless; if the parents were too inconsistent, the kids would be unreliable as well etc.) But would I bother telling this to parents? No, of course not, no one likes to be told they're parenting wrong, no one would listen to advice from me, a childless professional with years of experience. Sigh."

"Society appreciates ignorance rather than wisdom."

"I am an INTP. As an ex-smoker it was really hard to stop smoking cigarettes I tried everything but I just couldn't. It was frustrating to me that there is something controlling me. That was [eating away at] ... my brain.I found a book called the easy way to stop smoking on Reddit recommended by ex-smokers. I read it I stopped in a week. Now I'm 8 months clean. I distributed the book to all the people i know who smoke ligit the whole uni. No wants to read the book they think they won't stop they don't believe me. People don't like to take advice people just don't care. This makes me sad."

"It's scary how accurate this is. I almost feel called out for my ways of thinking. In typical INTP fashion I hate being predictable so it's weird to see someone get something this spot-on"

"I see these personality types like INTP as a starting point for personal development and not as a destiny. For example I try to be the one who kicks me out of the comfort zone instead of being dependent on someone else to do that."

"When he said people will hate you and alienate you because you always think your right and come off as arrogant but you usually are right which makes them hate you more. My whole life summed up and yet I never understood why it seemed people had an aversion to me when I had the best intentions. Now I know"

"[Me: Context-- this poster is not an INTP, but has a lot of Fe users in their family. Further context: INTPs are Fe users] I have a family with, I think, a lot of Fe functions. I mean, it does get overwhelming as time progressed and I feel like I'm being gaslighted not being as normal as them, but I can handle it, yes. But the repeating part is just so true. My mom and dad like to repeat stuff as they say it i.e "Don't forget to bring them. Don't forget to bring them. The bag for grandma. Okay ? Don't forget to bring them."

"This was really interesting to watch. I feel that my Trickster Ne is worse because of my Asberger's, it's much harder to interact with people and be aware of my surroundings. Interacting with people and understanding them can be completely exhausting and draining. Weirdly, I find it incredibly hard to predict people, but when I do, it's scarily accurate. My husband, an ISFP, gets so frustrated that I'm "always right". He does have to push me to do things, too. LoL. He, as you said, doesn't give me options but just tells me to stuff, and I do it, kicking and screaming the whole way. :P"

"I am lucky to have a mom that appreciate me and tells me about it quite often, which is very good-feeling, but if she thinks that I'm getting too lazy, she'll be sure to make a move. Really happy to have her in my life."

"I have always had zero fashion sense and 'sloppy' with messy hair is my default look. To help me understand the art and science of dressing right, I have been studying the Kibbe body type system and seasonal color analysis for awhile now, and it was a great starting point. I ended up going really deep into it (like I would any other science), adding my own theories to it. I'd analyze and type friends and family, giving them fashion advice with great accuracy. As for myself, I still look sloppier than ever. Ugh. It's the shopping I hate. And I am too attached to my large comfy hoodies. I need to change lol. I mean, I am an attractive woman otherwise, and I'd like to settle down in the near future. Dressing like a 17 year old boy who lives in his mom's basement certainly isn't helping".

"As an INTP I get stuck in familiar and safe logical pattern loop, caused by my own thinking. On top of that I choose to endure that pain of not taking a risk, being open to risk and taking risk causes me anxiety. Not knowing what to want scares me even more cause i can see the logical fallacy of will and desire with its shortsighted-ness, which causes me further to retreat to my safe routine which i'm willing to endure cause its familiar or obligatory, not taking risk. Its like the saying 'paralysis by analysis', invoking fear and anxiety to risk taking."

"So, I am INTP and also a Psychology student. It's a little bit tiring explaining that I don't want to make therapy. I just want to follow the investigation path and well... they all just say then why did u choose Psychology- and then I am like bcs I WANTED TO KNOW HOW WE WORK. Sad hours... lol"

"I'm not afraid other people are stupid.  I'm afraid they'll misunderstand, which is a slightly different Te nemesis manifestation because that misunderstanding is a HUGE threat to everything I do and it happens a lot.  Also, I can be very ascetic.  Wants are difficult for me.  You put that on the Si child function but I really think it comes from the critic and the blindspot acting in tandem.  Because Se trickster doesn't just mean I bump into stuff.  I barely even recognize material reality.  Like it actually [angers] me ... sometimes that I have to have a physical human body. I don't really understand the necessity of this skin suit.  But as long as I've got it I may as well make it comfy right?  So, I'm off to play PUBG and get some of that dopamine we love so much". 

"As an intp I always felt like I could tell what people were going to do, but until now I never rlly figured the word used to describe it, I always just used the phrase i can read people better in certain situations but I never rlly felt socially adequate like others"

"Yeah... The best way to tick off an INTP is to know what peeves us, but do it anyway... We can tolerate a little, but one second past our timer(and you can't really ever know how long it will be at any given time), our patience will burn away FAST. The better we think you know us(<the "we think" is usually the reason it can seem to come out of the blue), the less tolerant ... we become. Our patience with strangers can be enormous(sometimes ridiculous or un-called-for), but those who we expect to be on our side are expected to know better(whether or not they understand that)... edit: typos"

"[Me: Context-- This is referring to an INTP being uncomfortable about being asked to talk about their innermost feelings casually.] As an INTP female, I have to say this was quite accurate :D I especially appreciated ''Never, ever ask and INTP how they feel! '' I would add, never give an INTP the advice "follow your hart". It makes zero sense to me :D"

"I'm an INTP, here's a little anekdote: When i was younger my dad often went out with me and my brothers to a lake and just relax in the evening before going to bed. So i was like 8/9/10 (dont know exactly) and before going there me and my brother had a discussion, about who is going to sit in the front seat in the car. We said he will sit there on the way to the lake and i will sit there on the way home. But when we wanted to go home, my brother switched into: "No, i am older than you and therefore its my right to choose the seat". We had a little fight and basically i was like: "Okay, ... i am out of here", so i just quit and walked about 15km into the little town where my grandparents lived, because - u know - at grandma's house everything is always fine :). My dad was searching for me, driving around and even thinking about calling the police..because i said NOTHING.. i was just gone I am 22 now and still i have some problems communicating my actions in terms of just leaving the situation. I am always thinking: "U dont have to care about me, you are fine as well so i dont have to care about you...so where is the problem?""

"I don't think an INTP forgets that he told the story already, I believe he tells the story he thinks about because it makes him feel better to talk about it. It's a selfish reason really, but I'm guilty as charged."

"i used to know this intp (i believe) friend. you are extremely on point... extremely. this guy was a red haired nerd who made me laugh harder than anyone i've ever met. i used to be amazed with his casual novel acumen. he often had me crying in laughter in class. he was a huge story teller (stories told over and over). i used to throw him random verbal stimulus (just throw ideas his way) to see his reaction. this man had, literally, zero friends in school (other than me) and i was generally considered somewhat popular and i would regularly leave larger popular groups of others to be around him for his insane entertainment value. he regularly called me a, "... idiot," which made me laugh every time (he would be dead serious when doing this). oh, and btw, i had to beg him to hang out with me when he did... to know how strange this is, you just have to know our situation i guess (like i said, i had the extreme social upper hand that he didn't care about)... anyway, he knew a bunch of small anarchist type knowledge like what would happen if you did these strange things like stick gum wrapper in a socket, rob places in particular ways; it was wildly interesting. the lack of attention he got from others baffled me because he was so unique and extraordinary in my eyes. i was always intrigued how his mind worked. it was intimidating being around this guy with so much street wisdom and casual ability to function flawlessly when he felt like it. ...he's now a pothead (smokes 4 times a day). he did earn a casual master's degree in psychology that he doesn't do anything with. if i smoked like he did, i would fail classes in days. he had a 4.0..."

"I was once told at 26 that I was too old to still be wearing “Sarcastic Tees” from Spencer’s like a 14 year old boy and should be wearing grown men clothes like a respectable member of society. I conceded to wearing flannel button up shirts over those tee shirts. May have been the best criticism that I ever received, because I’m often told how mature I dress now at 32... I guess not a lot of men these days look mature?"

"You just described my dad in 2 functions Ti= Super logical man. Loves motors and electricity. Thinks everybody's an idiot (Shadow Te) Si= Tells the same story a million times not knowing he told the story to the same person the last week. And the week before, and the week before. I've seen it. He doesn't know he's done it. 3 Sundays in a row he told the same story to the same man."

"Back when I graduated high school I skipped the ceremony. My family thought I was crazy and I was like, "so what, almost everyone has a high school diploma. Doesn't mean you're smart.""

"I had an INTP supervisor & his assistant is ISTP, they're brilliant with everything you've stated, but I think I was great at my office manger job & they were unsupportive with some changes I wanted to make. I was trying to create a more positive, supportive experience for our staff & clients by getting rid of [awful] staff. He agreed to fire 1 of the people I was adamant about, but ended up changing his mind (he can be a coward). At my last meeting with him he told me he appreciates me (but it pained him to do it) and I was very valuable to the program, so he does have a heart somewhere. He also said he was critical of me & other leadership staff, to help us. I let him have it. I'm not tolerating that .... He wanted to control everything, even from behind the scenes. He needs puppets and I wasn't going to be that. He is arrogant & 2-face. In front of clients & staff he pretends to be kind, behind their back he talks [badly about them]. He is also overly dependent on the istp too, when she leaves, he is [a goner]. Not a good match for me at all lol"

"[Me: Context-- INTPs are very chill until you ignore their warnings over and over and ruin their own life by extension.] I lost it when you described the Vegeta level tantrums.... So many flashbacks to grabbing the closest thing I could find and straight up hurtling it at someone's (my brother's) head."

"My first and to this day only experience in isfp super ego [Me: Meaning-- INTPs are their angriest/in a rage was, when my mom confronted me the morning before school that I didn't gave her an super important school letter the days before, so she wouldn't sign it that morning, I really thought I would need it this day (later I heard we would need it 2 days later, but I didn't know this at this moment) I saw my future and honor to the teachers and from the teachers breaking away, so let's get to the rage part, I ran into my bedroom and by mistake pulled the door 1meter away from where it should have been (it was ripped out those things which hold the door). That was a really shocky moment for me, because I thought I would have me under controle in such situations, but obviously I didn't."

"you nailed it why care when ppl don't want to know they hate you for caring"

"INTP here. As far as food goes, super adventurous and familiar at the same time. I'll try anything once, and if I like it I can eat it all the time. If I don't, I'll get the priciest/highest rated version I can to make sure it wasn't just the chef/ingredients."

"I'm a female INTP. I'm always so deep into my head that someone can be right beside me and I don't notice them. When they start talking to me, It startles me out of my head. There have been times when I have actually let out a slight scream. I usually get puzzled looks when I try to explain that I was deep in thought and didn't notice them."

"I'm an INFJ living with my boyfriend that is an INTP, and I had to laugh at some of your points because they're so accurate! This man is miserable [in] a suit!"

"I'm INTP and I'm trying to not stagnate, it's pretty weird, because it's seems easier to be moving than to start moving, so yeah moving is worth it I understand that logically, but that's not internalized and I just have incredible difficulty at starting to move forward, or even continue that without external help."

"i'm a intp, i love math, learning about things at school that are actually useful in my life, and the things that are not useful in my life i find it really hard to concentrate on."

"In school we had an art project once to do without the teacher. Just written instructions. I felt like I had understood what was asked and told my classmates. But they thought differently (in a actually wrong way). After ten minutes of pointless arguing I just left them where they stood and started doing my picture. I was practicly the only person who had time to finish. And I was the only one in my class that has understood the instructions correctly. In fact, this project had such bad results that the teachers didn't let it count for the grades. My whole class got Es and Ds while I got a B+. I got to keep the grade and dump another bad grade of mine."

"Used to think I was kind of a feeler and extroverted. Then I stayed alone over Covid... I invented a cure for aging and developed a new species of fish. I think I'm definately INTP. Absolutely nobody believes me, so I know that I must be one!"

"When I first saw the board, I saw Fe, Ti, Si and Ne. And literally it screamed out Iron, Titanium, Silicon and Neon."

"Although I’m not certain I am An INTP( I cannot figure it out!), the “everybody is stupid part” got humbled in me when I entered the oilfield workforce. I grew up with the idea that tradespeople are dumb, and if you aren’t university educated, you won’t be successful. After seeing firsthand that absolutely is not the case, and oftentimes we are struggling with the engineers( Usualt INTP) lack of foresight on their projects implementation. We also have this theoretical framework I use to learn how our plant works, but oftentimes it’s experience and outside the box thinking that operates the plant on a day to day basis. The framework is merely a framework, and reality is usually way different. Paper to implementation is never perfect. Tradespeople in my opinion are far more brilliant than those educated in our institutions and I find myself side by side with teachers, economists and the like. Something I didn’t mention was The humbling part for me was how stupid I was mechanically entering the work force. Able to explain complex plant processes but unable to drain a vessel to prepare for isolation( this is similar to how intps can become good cooks or drivers, by just doing it, million dollar concept eh??). I dedicated myself to doing things on my own like following manuals and YouTube videos for vehicle repairs and performing them myself. I am catching up to rest of my peers and once my working memory and mechanical ability are good, with my abstract ability I’ll be a very good plant operator."

"I’ve stopped doing it, now that I mostly eat lunch at home, but I had a habit of ordering only one dish in each restaurant I went to. My order was always the same, only the type of food changed. So, the waitress would see me and just put in my order. It was very efficient, I reasoned, no need to suffer through the ordering process every day. I wonder if they resented me for it or liked it."

"INTP's: say something that's obvious and really simple to us. ------------others:why are you so mean? ------INTP's: did you say something? ----Others: ...! ----- INTP: shrugs and goes back to absorbing information like a sponge."

"I am an INTP, but I don’t experience a lot of the apathy problems, mostly due to a dad that understands my needs. Also I understand the inferiority/ superiority paradox and constantly try to underestimate myself (still fail to see long term thinking in the majority of people) and try to give credit where credit is due"

"INTP female here; pretty accurate, feeling attacked lol used to be called ice princess as a child. my friends used to call me robot so when my [personality test] came out saying that INTPs are robots, my friends had a lot of fun with that."

"What would you say would be the cause for an INTP with a very messy apartment? I have a few things even from my high school days that haven't thrown away and I'm in my fifties. Also have trouble making decisions of what mail to throw away. Apartment at least navigable but not using nearly all the space that's available..."

"I have anger instead of apathy/indifference. I - or rather my Si - has gotten seriously tired of seeing the same mistakes happen constantly & their repercussions constantly affect my life too, so I can't bear to see people in my life make a similar mistake one more time; thus, I snap & I have to vent...."

"Don't fall into the trap of ignorance for Ti users: last known input or preferred input will make your Ti useless. You have to test and experiment with every opinion or premise, even if you disagree with them."

"A note on my physical environment: (I’m an intp) I do tend to set things down without even thinking about it, it’s like there’s a hidden part in my brain that decides when i want to put something down, and my body just does it, completely unaware. and since i don’t notice it, i can’t even consider whether the place i am setting the thing will lead to struggle in the future."

"[Me: Context-- Here's a rare 'brutally honest' INTP] I’m a woman who’s an INTP, and it’s definitely lonely lol I’m always correcting people, if what they are saying is false. I get told that most people don’t want to be corrected, and find it offensive. Which makes no sense to me. So I’m just rather indifferent when it comes to people. Same with advice, I’m brutally honest when people ask for my opinion/advice. They usually don’t accept it, and wonder why their situation didn’t turn out right"

"My fear of feeling like people around me are dumb have been quenched by my little brother being an ISTP, my mother being wise and my grandmother being an utter genius. If there are three intelligent people around me already there will be more. You will just have to find them and build networks of trust with people humble and knowlegable in their field. Edit: I had an emotional talk with my mother because I agree with my father (even tho his reasons are unknown) that my mother should stop funding my studies. Why? Because I feel like I need an incentive to do something, and I do nolonger want my father to have any authority to say anything to me. Just finally after 21 years to actually become a somewhat independent adult. I know I will always survive, but I am really stagnating."

"As a true INTP , i listened this while playing Sims 3 creating an INTP character , with music turned off while drinking coffee at 12:23 night. 10/10 would listen again. Anyway , i feel like only stupid people are repeating the same story over and over again. I have a rule , if i like a new person and we get close i use my crazy ... stories to "flex" and get close , but only one time. In fact if a person it's telling me the same story three times , im done, i send him/her to the "lame people zone"."

""Wisdom is like fire, it's truth. You gotta get burned in order to get closer to the truth."" THANK YOU. That was beautifully said."

AND LASTLY: INTPs who can't seem to pick a calling in life-- below is some advice (from Person B Person E, and Person F), commiseration, and soothing words of wisdom-- most INTPs change their jobs or career paths regardless because of their fluctuating interests!

Person A: "I am worried to pick my specialization. I dont know what to choose. I am interested in so many things and then i move on. Example: I love art, been going to extra curricular art class since childhood and we would try all different techniques. Even now when i do something, i am interested in it (sewing, knitting, editing photos, felting, clay modelling) and it never sticks long enough to become "proficient" in it, i do it just long enough to get the basics. I am using art or hand work techniques as an example, it is a hobby not a profession I wish to pursue..."

Person B: "Compare all interests, which one of them you stick to the longest and excites you the most. Use a scoring scale & hierarchy to compare so that it is easier to analyze. And then, refer to your Fe, of all those, which one would be the most beneficial to the society. Narrow down to 2-3 choices (you know it's hard to make one choice) and try exploring them (i.e take actions) to further make distinction which one is feasible for you to specialize in (I mean realistically). I was at one time that it is possible to me to choose any career path I want to, from medicine to architecture, from art and design to computer engineering. Just like in the video, a naive INTP decided not to choose because he knew people in those field and didn't feel like really great about them and thought it didn't feel too worthwhile to take on a path to be like them. I ended up compromising my specialization and chose a subjectively easier course just because I could continue learning other fields and I did learn them. Though right now, I didn't 100% regret my choice back then as I aspire to do integration of fields rather than traditional specialization, I didn't see any problem if I did choose one of the famous career path earlier and I might feel as fulfilling as I'm now but in different departments of fulfillment."

Person C: "I’m going through the same thing. I’ve completed my bachelors in science and I work as a youth worker... but I also want to be an author. In fact, it’s always been a passion but I’m just now realizing that. But I’ve also developed a passion in research while doing my undergrad so I’m wondering whether or not to pursue my masters since that might lead me to a more sustainable career"

Person D: "Everyone I Know: You are so gifted. You could literally be anything you wanted be without even trying. Just pick something. Me:.......There are so many options, but are any of them worth it. I fail to commit to one area of study and let years go by without moving forward in life."

Person E: "I think society puts so much pressure on what you're gonna do "for the rest of your life" and "it has to be the perfect fit FOREVER". Unfortunately it never works out like that, people change and you change, and you won't be the only person who will likely want to change careers later on in life, and that's ok. From what you wrote, it seems like you are more on the 'create and make' side of things, and I find that really cool, and I also think the best step forward would be to force yourself to stick to something and build it up a bit, after a while you'll find yourself comfortable with where you're at and you can either go to something else (creative jobs have lots of transferrable skills and you'll probably be very good at them if you wanted to) or stick with whatever you choose because it's now your new comfort zone Something that helped with my indecisive nature is reading a quote, basically: time will pass anyway, so might as well be a year in the future with a step forward towards a specific something than nothing at all."

Person F: "I struggled with this one for a bit at university when I found what I originally thought was the perfect profession that would blend everything together (medical illustration). I went to a school with a weak art program, wanted to transfer after the first year and felt guilty about starting something and not finishing it. I graduated with the degree but didn’t finish the art program. convinced a counselor to let me skip classes. Since I wasn’t at the level I needed to be 3 years ago, I changed my goal and decided to hold this one off until I’m way older. Do something for a few years then switch off when you’re ready for that next experience!"

WELP.

That's all for now!

If you want, I'll make another post in future-- maybe more INTPs, maybe some ISTJs (for Scully representation, post here~.)

Thank you for reading--

Enjoy!

Disclaimers: This is a self-assessed analysis. This information is not based on the abominable MBTI system (which has been butchered from its original Jungian typology since ~WWII); instead, it’s a combination between the works of Jung’s type psychology, Dr. Linda Berens’ Communication styles, Dr. Dario Nardi’s EEG brain scan compiled research, and others’ data and practices as compiled and simplified by CSJoseph. This system is based only on the Nature side of Nature/Nurture; and each “type” is not a “box” to fit everyone into– simply a tool to help understand the basics of the human mind that science has only begun to fathom in its limited scope.

[phregnancy]

Phil is INFP and Dan is INFJ. They've talked about it before.

oh interesting now that you say it i feel like i can vaguely remember? (may be creating a false memory within myself idk) feel a lil good getting 3/4 right for each of them lol would love to see them take the test again depending on how long it’s been. i almost put dan as an INFJ but i think his practical nature and leaning into realism (along with his historic preference for the present and dread about the future) read as ISFJ to me, and similarly with phil i thought his T vs F were pretty close but his pragmatic attitude towards almost dying and choosing not to be traumatized because well, he didn’t, put him as INTP in my eyes