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koushirouizumi · 1 year ago
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That’s why it {everything that happened} was all the more painful. {Tentomon} felt as if Koushiro wasn’t Koushiro anymore.
Digimon Adventure Novel; “The Inquisitive Heart” Translation from Digital Scratch (Link in the comments)
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izzyizumi · 2 years ago
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U.S. 2020!Tentomon, Ep 36, clearly thrILLED: "OoooHHH, *TELL THEM*, Izzy! *THAT'S* the mOST *IMPORTANT PART*, *ISN'T IT*?!??!" M E: (*LAUGHS IN Autistic with Special InterestTM*)
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tobiasdrake · 1 month ago
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Digimon Adventure 02x08 - The Loneliness of the Digimon Kaiser / Ken's Secret
Previously on Digimon Adventure: During a mission gone sideways, Hikari was left behind enemy lines. Daisuke, Takeru, and Taichi quickly swooped in to be nearby while she rescued herself and liberated the enemy territory. They returned home to find an irate Koushiro who had come up with this cool new name for their Digivices but then no one was around to hear him infodump.
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For once, we don't skip straight to Computer Club. Instead, we find Daisuke practicing with his team at Soccer Club, while the other junior Chosen Children and Taichi watch.
Right before an opposing player can take the shot, Daisuke slides in and intercepts, scoring some applause from Takeru and Iori and some cheering from Miyako and Hikari.
Taichi: Daisuke! (English) Nice play! Daisuke: Ehehehe!
After practice, as the sun begins to set, the coach gathers his team with a toot of his whistle.
Coach: Gather up! We have a practice match coming up this Sunday. We're going to be up against the team that recently won the Tokyo Boys' Soccer Championship: Tamachi Boys' F.C. Players: (collective gasp)
The acronym "F.C." stands for "Football Club". Officially, the sport is called football in Japan, though it's colloquially better known as soccer. American Football, meanwhile, is "American Football".
I idly wonder if the name "Tamachi" is a reference to Tamagotchi, the V-Pet that Digimon shares a friendly rivalry with.
Daisuke: (excited) Coach, isn't that the team that genius kid plays on!? Coach: That's right. Ichijouji Ken-kun.
Oooo, the fucking chills from all that tension. Daisuke's about to have a destined rival battle with Ichijouji Ken. That's exciting, 'cause of how Ken's the best player in the league. Definitely not for other reasons.
In the dub, Tai playfully teases Davis for that slide.
Tai: You walk much, Davis? Davis: Ehehehe.... (After the match) Coach: Alright team, hustle in! Let's go! Quiet down! I've got an announcement to make. Alright, our first scrimmage is this Sunday. It's against last year's #1 team in the league. Players: (collective gasp) Davis: That's the team with that brainiac kid! He's good at soccer, sports, he's good at everything! Coach: Hey, hey! Watch the name-calling! He's Ken Ichijouji.
As localization goes, Dub Team did a great job Americanizing this dialogue to feel natural to the American conception of what a high school sports coach sounds like.
I personally prefer my dialogue un-localized because I want to experience as close to the original cultural context as I can. But for the assignment they had, this is perfect.
Though the dub coach doesn't actually tell the kids which team they'll be playing. Just "Last year's #1 team".
Cut to Computer Club, where Digimon activities for today have been postponed in favor of googling the shit out of Ichijouji Ken.
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Miyako: Ichijouji Ken-kun from Tamachi Boys' F.C. hit a record of 45 goals in the last tournament, leading his team to victory. Taichi: That's amazing! It's more than twice the previous record! Iori: O_O Calling him a genius was not an exaggeration. Daisuke: He'll make for a great opponent. We never had a chance to face each other in the last tournament. Takeru: You never faced him because you didn't make it to the finals, right? Daisuke: Don't bring that up!
Takeru pointing out that Daisuke is a Krillin salivating about fighting a Vegeta. He has his skills, but he is no Ichijouji Ken.
Hikari: Can you win this? Daisuke: This isn't about winning or losing. Right now, he's the idol that soccer players across the country are all aspiring to become. I'm hyped just to have the chance to play against him! Miyako: (sweetly) ~Hey, Dai-chan...?~ Daisuke: Gck! D-Dai-chan?
Clasping Daisuke's hands between her own, Miyako seizes the opportunity to ask him a question that's burning in her heart.
Miyako: When you meet Ichijouji Ken-kun, can you get me his autograph? Iori: Didn't you say that you weren't interested in younger people? Miyako: (glare) What difference does one year make? My mom is a whole three years older than my dad. Iori: Ah.... Daisuke: Why don't you just get it yourself? Miyako: Oh. That's a good idea. Hikari: (to Daisuke) We'll all come and support you! Daisuke: (excited) Really!? Chibimon: (Suddenly in Daisuke's room) And I'll come too, Daisuke! Daisuke: YES!!! I'll show this prodigy everything I've got!
There's a super awkward cut to Daisuke's bedroom near the end of this conversation despite Chibimon seemingly continuing the conversation from the previous scene.
Aww. Poor Iori. Miyako was definitely his first crush and that wasn't gonna happen 'cause she's 12 and he's 9. We're all getting that vibe, right? There's not very many contexts in which she would have had to say that to him.
When you're 35, three years is nothing. But to a 12-year-old, it might as well be 15. Especially in that direction.
In the dub:
Yolei: As Captain of his soccer team, Ken Ichijuuji led his team to victory last season by scoring a record-setting 45 goals!
That's impressive but you should pronounce his name correctly. This is especially noticeable when the coach just said it right three seconds ago.
Tai: Whoa! This kid may even be better than I am. Cody: I bet he could be in the Olympics if he wanted to. Davis: He's not so tough! I never even got a chance to beat him, 'cause we never played his team last season. T.K.: You guys got knocked out early. You didn't even make the playoffs! Davis: Very funny, T.E.! Kari: You think you can beat him? Davis: Oh, I don't have to flat-out beat him. If I can just make it a close game against a guy like that, then I'd be a living legend. And everyone knows how much chicks dig living legends. Yolei: ~Oh, Davis~! Davis: Uh-oh, it's happening already!
Lot of ego floating around the room here. Tai's so full of himself that he'll only concede to Ken maybe being better than him. Daisuke's primary concern is the sheer competitive rush of being able to play against an athlete of Ken's level, while Douchebag Davis just wants to use his match against Ken as an opportunity to score with girls.
Davis is still doing the "Pronouncing T.K.'s name with the wrong letter" thing even though it was established last episode that he knows T.K.'s name. So he's definitely just doing it now to be aggro.
Yolei: When you see Ken on the soccer field, will you get his autograph for me? Cody: ~Yolei and Ken, sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G~! Yolei: Hey, Cody, watch it! Besides, I didn't say I wanted to kiss him, DUH!!! I just want to marry him! Cody: Oh. Davis: If you want to meet him, ask for his autograph yourself! Yolei: Oh! I guess I could do that. Kari: Let's all go to the game and you can ask him then. Davis: Hey, don't you want my autograph? DemiVeemon: (suddenly in Davis's room) Can I come to your game too, Davis? Davis: Sure! You can watch me wipe the field with Mr. Perfect. I'll show them who's the man!
No sign of a doomed crush from Cody in this version. He pokes fun at Yolei for her crush on Ken, and she offers the worst defense I've ever heard in my life. XD
(An ironic one too, given that the dub team definitely didn't know what the future would hold for these characters.)
Bit of Japanese contextual confusion here. In the original, Kari's statement that "We'll come and support you," comes directly after Daisuke encourages Miyako to approach Ken herself. So the natural flow of conversation suggests that she's offering to support Miyako in her quest for Ken's attention.
Not helping is that Hikari is looking at both Daisuke and Miyako as she says this. It isn't until Daisuke's response that it becomes apparent that she meant, "We'll support Daisuke in his soccer game," returning to the original topic.
The dub splits the difference and has Kari phrase it in a way that offers support to both of them.
The dub also picks this moment, after Davis has gotten himself fired up, for their first commercial break. They're building anticipation for the impending soccer match.
Sunday morning. Daisuke and his team warms up on the soccer field, waiting for the Tamachi team to arrive.
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Crowds are already gathering in the stands, including Taichi and the rest of the junior nakama. Iori and Miyako have brought Upamon and Poromon, though Tailmon and Patamon don't seem to be in attendance. Hikari's holding Chibimon instead.
Hikari: GANBATTE!!! Miyako: (excitedly tugging Poromon's wings) GET 'EM!!! Taichi: GANBARE, DAISUKE!!!
It would be typical to wish Daisuke ganbatte for an upcoming competition in general. It's used in many contexts in Japan, one of which is simply encouraging someone who has a big event coming up.
But with the reality of prodigy child Ichijouji Ken as Daisuke's rival, encouraging him to persevere through hardship and see it through to the end takes on a greater meaning.
The honking of a bus's horn, coupled with cheering from girls waiting by the road, heralds the Tamachi team's arrival. Miyako also turns to look, though the rest of Daisuke's crew remain focused on the field.
Daisuke: They're here. (Bus pulls up) Girls: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Miyako: Hmm? Daisuke: It's time, Ichijouji Ken.
In the dub:
Kari: GOOD LUCK, DAVIS!!! Yolei: DON'T FORGET TO HUG KEN!!! Tai: GIVE HIM A KISS TOO!!! Hahahaha.... Davis: Ha. Ha.
It's funny because it's the #1 ship in the 02 fandom. XD Yolei and Tai were ahead of their time.
Yolei makes no noise when the bus pulls up, so it's easier to miss her turning around.
Girls: EEEEEEEEEEE!!! Davis: Enjoy the attention while it lasts, pal!
Davis still thinks he's going to win this.
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Miyako: (happily crushing Poromon like a stress ball) I'm really about to meet him~!
One by one, the Tamachi team disembarks from the bus. But excitement turns to disappointment as the final player steps off and the doors close. Ichijouji Ken was not among them.
Girl 1: Huh? Where's Ken-kun? Girl 2: He isn't here? Daisuke: Huh? Hikari: He's not.... Takeru: It seems he didn't come. Miyako: Why? WHY ISN'T KEN-KUN HERE!?!? Iori: I... I don't know how to answer that.... Miyako: (angrily crushing Poromon like a stress ball) WHY!?!? Poromon: Don't take it out on me!
Poromon made a terrible mistake in coming here. Iori is visibly distressed by the rough treatment of Poromon and will continue to be for the remainder of the soccer game. But he's also too polite to try and stop it.
In the dub:
Yolei: (happily crushing Poromon like a stress ball) Oh, I can't believe it's really him!
While the opposing team disembarks, Davis psyches himself up with some internal monologue.
Davis: (thinking) When I woke up this morning, I was just a regular kid. When I go to bed tonight, I'll be king of the world. Tai: I really hope Davis hasn't gotten in over his head. (The opposing team finishes; Ken isn't here) Davis: (thinking) Tai probably thinks I've gotten in over my head, but I'll show him. Davis: (surprised) Where's Ken!? Kari: Where is he? T.K.: Izzy? No, we're waiting for Ken. Yolei: Uhh, we know that. KEN'S NOT COMING, IS HE, CODY!?!? Cody: Will you stop asking me if I say yes? Yolei: (angrily crushing Poromon like a stress ball) No, I won't. Poromon: Lucky for me, I have no spine.
Lot of laugh lines in this section. The Tai and Davis bit is cute. XD Kari and T.K. play a very brief round of Who's On First. Yolei's comical abuse of poor Poromon is downplayed.
Well, there's only one good way to find out what's going on with Ken: Ask someone. Daisuke runs over to the Tamachi team to find out.
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Daisuke: Umm... Is Ichijouji-kun coming today? Player 1: He knows about the match, but I have no idea if he'll show. Player 2: Unlike us, he's got a lot on his plate. Daisuke: (sigh) That sucks... Taichi: DAISUKE!!! COME HERE A SEC!!!
Taichi's gone down to the field to offer his kouhai a bit of coaching.
Taichi: Even if Ichijouji doesn't show up, these guys are still a championship team. Don't let your guard down. Daisuke: Y-Yeah.... Takeru: (from the stands) DAISUKE-KUN!!! THIS MIGHT BE YOUR CHANCE TO WIN AGAINST THE CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM!!! Hikari: THAT'S RIGHT!!! GANBATTE!!! Daisuke: (cheering up) Yeah! I can do this!
Daisuke's disappointed because he isn't really here to win. He wants to play against Ken for the sportsmanship of it. But the encouragement of his friends gets his head back in the game. Though one person is still upset.
Miyako: (stretching Poromon like a stress ball) Why didn't Ken-kun show up!? What did I even come down here for!? Iori: Miyako-san....
That poor Digimon. XD Nobody warned Poromon that Miyako's the kind of person who hits things when they're excited.
In the dub:
Davis: Hello! Uh, excuse me? Any of you know when that Ken kid's gonna be here? Player 1: Well, he's got a soft drink commercial to shoot and a meeting about having a soccer ball named after him. Player 2: Ken hardly has time to play soccer anymore. Davis: (disappointed) I'll never get to play him. Tai: HEY DAVIS!!! Davis: Huh!? Tai: CAN WE TALK!?!? (Davis goes over to Tai) Tai: Even if Ken doesn't show, his teammates are still champions. If you're not careful, they'll use you as the soccer ball. Davis: No way. T.K.: (from the stands) BUT YOU GOTTA KNOW, IF YOU PLAY REALLY WELL AGAINST LAST YEAR'S CHAMPIONS.... Kari: WIN OR LOSE, YOU'LL STILL BE A HERO!!! Davis: Yeah! I'll still be a living legend! Cool! Yolei: (stretching Poromon like a stress ball) Why do I have to stay here if Ken isn't here!? It's not like I don't have important things I could be doing, y'know! Cody: What about Davis?
The dub offers a concrete explanation for Ken's absence. Whereas, in the original, the implication that no one in this field is aware of is that Ken routinely skips out on his team to do Digimon Kaiser stuff.
He's withdrawing from the world to pour himself into his dominion over the Digital World, because he's disconnected so heavily from the people around him that it's the only thing giving him joy.
Play begins with a soccer montage, as Daisuke's team goes head-to-head against the Tamachi boys.
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Davis leads the dub into the montage with one line.
Davis: (thinking) I've gotta play as well as Ken. I've just gotta!
But both versions let the soccer montage play out to only the sound of a lyrical background song. The Japanese version has 僕は僕だって Boku wa Boku Datte, or "Because I'm Me", a new track for this scene. The dub uses Let's Kick It Up, one of their big action fuck-em-up songs they've started using for their Show Me Your Brave Heart/Break Up action moments.
Both of these go really well with the scene, which sees the two teams competing for the ball until Daisuke lands a diving headbutt to score the first point of the game.
Hikari captures the moment on her camera.
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Daisuke: WHOA!!! You caught the moment perfectly!
I disagree. That picture makes it look like he's illegally clutching the ball in his hand due to a trick of perspective. Hikari caught the worst possible angle for this photo.
Chibimon: YOU WERE SO COOL OUT THERE, DAISUKE!!! Daisuke: (boastful) Naturally! Takeru: Ganbatte for the second half. Taichi: You're leading by one point, but don't go on the defensive. The other team will notice and use it against you. Daisuke: I'm fine, I'm fine! I'm gonna go for a Hat Trick--
The sound of girls suddenly shrieking with glee pulls everyone's attention up to the road. Stepping out of a taxicab, Ichijouji Ken has arrived.
Daisuke: (serious) He's finally here.
In the dub:
Kari: It's rewinding... There! You look good on camera. Davis: Thanks, Kari. I so kicked butt out there, huh? DemiVeemon: And you kicked the ball really good too. Davis: Yeah, that too, huh? T.K.: You nailed that shot, Davis! Tai: Hey, you guys only lead by one goal. The game's still wide open and Ken could still show up! Davis: Yeah, so? What's Ken gonna do? Please, if he was here right now, I'd show him-- Girls: IT'S HIM!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (Ken gets out of the cab) Davis: Me and my big mouth....
The dub opts for an irony gag in place of Taichi's coaching. It comes off a bit shallower but still vibes with the original scene. That also had Ken's arrival ironically cut down Daisuke's growing bravado over his successful goal.
It's basically the same moment, but filtered through Davis's braggadocious characterization instead of Daisuke's serious, competitive characterization and played for comedy.
As the girls in the stands shriek with joy, Miyako... is one of them.
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Miyako: (happily crushing Poromon like a stress ball) It's really him! It's really him! (screaming over the chorus) IT'S ICHIJOUJI KEN!!!
Miyako screams so loud, it's impossible for Ken to overlook. He turns to glance over at whoever that was. He practically hisses at the sight, as startled and horrified recognition falls over his face. But then, after a moment, he composes himself into a sinister grin. Slowly, Ken descends the stairs to join his team on the field.
Coach: Glad you could make it, Ichijouji-kun! Ken: (cheerfully) I'm sorry I'm late. I had some important matters I needed to take care of. Coach: No, no. I'm just glad you made it. Will you be playing in the second half? Ken: It would be my pleasure.
This is about to get ugly.
The dub talks over the tension of Ken's arrival with a lot of silence-breaking banter.
Yolei: It's Ken! I don't believe it! I must be dreaming! Somebody pinch me! (Cut to Ken noticing them) Yolei: (offscreen) OW!!! (Ken notices the Chosen Children) Yolei: He's looking right at us! Ohh! I'm going to faint! Davis: (thinking) So that's what all the fuss is about? I don't know. He doesn't look so tough. (Ken composes himself into a sinister grin and slowly descends the steps.) Tai: For all the attention he's getting, that guy sure knows how to keep his cool. Davis: Hey, I'm cool! Tai: More like lukewarm! Haha! Davis: That's so funny I forgot to laugh.
Completely different vibe. They keep an ominous tune playing in the background but crack jokes over it to avoid letting the tension settle in.
Coach: Hey, Ken! We're really glad you could make it today. Ken: (neutrally) Sorry I'm a little late, Coach, but there was something important that I had to do first. Coach: Don't worry about it. We're just happy you found the time for us at all. Can I put you in the game now? Ken: If that's what you want.
On its surface, Ken's last line lacks the punch of the original's 喜んで Yorokonde. Original Ken wants to be put in the game. He's gotten over his initial shock at seeing who his competitors are, and now he's relishing the opportunity to publicly humiliate Daisuke. This one is for all the setbacks he's suffered in the Digital World.
With Dub Ken's line, you can infer some false modesty. He's playing a role, feigning subservience to a man who's about to give him what he wants anyway. He trades out the delicious, punchable smarm of the original for an eerie, almost inhuman neutrality.
The game reconvenes. At last, Daisuke and Ken meet on the soccer field.
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Daisuke: Nice to meet you. I'm Motomiya Daisuke.
Ken doesn't respond. Instead, he looks over at the stands, where the others are watching.
Miyako: (squeezing Poromon tightly) He's even more handsome than he was on TV! I can't believe he's younger than me! Iori: (neutrally) I don't like him. Hikari: GANBATTE DAISUKE-KUN!!! Takeru: (English) FIGHT!!! Taichi: DAISUKE!!! YOUR OPPONENT IS JUST ANOTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOLD STUDENT LIKE YOU!!! YOU CAN'T LOSE!!!
Oh, yeah. I've been thinking it with how closely and sadly Iori's been watching Miyako go off about Ken, but he is definitely jealous.
Ken listens to all of this, grins, and then finally returns Daisuke's introduction.
Ken: It's a pleasure to meet you.
In the dub:
Announcer: Now substituting #7: Ken "The Rocket" Ichijouji! Davis: You must be Ken! I'm Davis. Nice to meetcha. Ken: ... Yolei: (squeezing Poromon tightly) Oh my gosh! He looked right at me, Poromon! Can you believe he's even cuter in person than he is on TV!? Oh, I could just hug him all day! Cody: He's not an accordion, Yolei. Kari: HE'S JUST A KID LIKE YOU, DAVIS!!! T.K.: YOU GOTTA OUTRUN HIM!!! Tai: YOU CAN DO IT!!! AND EVEN IF YOU CAN'T, WE WON'T THINK ANY LESS OF YOU, MAN! Ken: (grin) Some nice friends you got there, Davis.
I think Cody's line is referencing the rough treatment Yolei's been piling onto Poromon in her overexcitement. But contextually, it sounds like he's saying Ken isn't an accordion which... Uh, okay, I don't know why he would be but thanks.
"You gotta outrun him." Thank you for explaining soccer to me from the stands, T.K. XD
I kinda love Tai's "Even if you can't, we won't think less of you." Culturally, that sense of perspective plays a big role in the American sense of sportsmanship. There is no shame in losing to #1. Hell, "We didn't beat the championship team but we played hard and earned their respect," is like the most common way that American sports movies end.
It's also about as far removed from the sentiment expressed by ganbatte as possible. Ganbatte isn't about doing your best or trying hard; It's about getting it done. Not about putting in the effort but about achieving the result. Focus up, harden your resolve, and do what is necessary to complete the task. Persevere and overcome.
And yet, that isn't entirely how Japan approaches competition. After all, the sentiment Tai expresses here is in line with how Daisuke is approaching his match with Ken: He's not playing to win. He just wants to test himself against the best. It's complicated.
The whistle blows and the match begins!
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Ken flows past Daisuke before he even knows what's happening.
Tamachi Player: Ichijouji!
The player on kickoff passes to Ken, who dribbles around every single member of Odaiba Elementary's defense and shoots straight into the goal. In a single play, he's tied the game.
Daisuke: S-So fast.... Miyako: Ahaha! (English) Nice Play, Ken-kun! Iori: He just tied the score.... Miyako: Yeah, because Daisuke isn't nearly as cool as Ken-kun! Taichi: (defeated) They're on completely different levels. He's not on the level of an elementary school student. With technique like that, he could be playing for the youth league.
As Taichi speaks, Ken meets Daisuke on the field in the middle of another play. Ken flicks the ball up with his heel, passing it straight over Daisuke's head to catch it on the other side. Daisuke doesn't even slow him down.
Hikari: You're right. His plays are completely different from everyone else on the field. Takeru: He can see the whole field of play. Hikari: You can tell, Takeru-kun? Takeru: It's the same way with basketball. He's able to keep track of where all his teammates and opponents are, and that's why he's able to score so many goals. Miyako: KEN-KUN IS EVEN COOLER THAN I THOUGHT!!! Iori: Miyako-san....
While they're discussing how cool Ken is, a montage of Ken plays out on the screen. He's unstoppable, managing to score 9 goals to Daisuke's pitiful 1.
The dub adds some dialogue over Ken's initial play.
Tai: (excited) Did you catch that move!? Kari: He's fantastic! Yolei: Back off! I saw him first!
XD For all the dub's foibles, they understood the assignment with Yolei today.
(Ken scores) Announcer: Goal scored by The Rocket! Davis: Houston, we have a problem. Yolei: He's so amazing! And did I mention dreamy? Cody: Would you like for me to pinch you again? Yolei: Yolei Ichijouji. Ken and Yolei Ichijouji. Tai: (defeated) Now that Ken's tied up the game, I wonder how it's going to affect Davis's confidence? (Ken flicks the ball around Davis) Davis: WHOA!!! (Montage of Ken scoring) Tai: Davis isn't looking too good out there. (Ken scores again) Tai: Ouch. (Ken scores again) Kari: He's running circles around him. It's like Davis isn't even there. T.K.: Easier shooting goals into an empty net. Ken has more than just skill; He leads his team like a general leads an army!
The general vibe that Ken's better than Davis makes it across, but the dub undersells how wide that gap is.
Ken isn't just good; He's playing at a professional level in a game between school clubs. It's just like his award-winning computer programming; He's gifted far beyond his years, operating at a level that is achievable but is inexplicable for a child of his age and experience.
Daisuke had as much hope of beating Ken in this match as a high school baseball team might have of beating a Major League team. Fortunately, Daisuke isn't here to win. By his own admission, he just wanted a chance to play against someone of Ken's caliber. So. Y'know. Wish granted.
But rather than analyzing Ken, the dub uses this space to assess Davis. He's losing. That's. That's really all there is to say about Davis. He's getting murdered out there.
They do finally bring up Ken "commanding his team like a general" to segue into the next bit, which sees Ken calling out the play for his team.
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Daisuke: Shit! It's really come to this.... Ken: Open the right side! Defenders, raise the line three meters! Last Formation D!
As usual, Ken's team easily scoops the ball and passes to Ken, while he gets into position to strike.
Girls: SCORE THE TENTH!!! Daisuke: YAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! Ken: Huh?
Out of nowhere, Daisuke slides in with that same technique we saw him practicing at the start, intercepting the ball before Ken can shoot and sending Ken tumbling to the ground. The toe of Daisuke's shoe rips Ken's sock, drawing a thin but visible line of blood.
Taichi: No foul! (English) Nice, Daisuke!
The ball rolls away out of bounds and the match is called for time. Tamachi will have to settle for only nine goals today.
Announcer: 9-1, Tamachi Boys F.C. wins! Crowd: THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
In the dub:
Davis: I don't believe this guy! He's not just good, he's great! Ken: Stick to the playbook I wrote, everybody! We have got him on the run! All fullbacks and midfielders, move up! (Ken's team scoops the ball and passes to him) Girls: GO ROCKET GO!!! Davis: NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Ken: Huh? (Davis intercepts the ball, tripping Ken in the process) Tai: Nice tackle! Have a good trip, Ken! See you next fall! Announcer: Time's run out and the green Tamachi team led by Ken "The Rocket" Ichijouji wins nine to one! Crowd: YEAH!!! WOOHOO!!!
Surprisingly, Ken's blood makes it into the dub uncensored. Probably because it's too plot relevant to try and cut.
After the match, Daisuke makes his way over to the Tamachi team's huddle to talk to Ken again.
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Daisuke: Hey! Ichijouji-kun! Are you okay? After what happened to your leg, I mean.
Daisuke looks down at Ken's leg, which now has noticeable red stains around the injury.
Ken: (smiling) Ehh, that's no big deal. Daisuke: I'm glad to hear it. Man, you really do live up to your reputation! I couldn't keep up with you at all! Ken: You made a magnificent play right at the end there. I was expecting you to come from the other side. Daisuke: Well, when we were losing that hard, it only made sense to go straight for the leader. Ken: Mm... But that was the first time we've ever failed to score with that formation. Daisuke: (excited) Wow, really!? Ken: Motomiya Daisuke-kun, was it? (Ken holds out his hand) Ken: Until next time. Daisuke: Ah! (Daisuke shakes Ken's hand) Daisuke: You too!
Daisuke and Ken part on good terms, leaving Daisuke with a sense of fulfillment for playing so well against the legend.
In the dub:
Davis: Hey Ken, is your leg alright? Sorry about that tackle. I guess I caught you off-guard.
Again, the blood makes it uncensored into the dub.
Ken: (smiling) I barely felt it. Too busy thinking about scoring goals. Davis: So I guess you heard? Your teammates probably told you about how I was dominating the field, how unstoppable I was before you got here? Ken: I dunno, someone may have mentioned something about your play. If you keep it up, you might win a championship. Davis: Well, once you came along and you guys got so far ahead, I just figured it was all or nothing. So I just went for it on that last play! Ken: I was obviously focused on scoring another goal and didn't see you coming. That play never fails. Davis: Well, it did against me! Ken: Indeed. Well, my worthy adversary, farewell. (Ken holds out his hand.) Ken: Until we meet again in battle! Davis: Huh? (Davis shakes Ken's hand) Davis: "Worthy adversary"?
The words are similar but the tone is completely different. Davis is just trying to gloat and Ken's being passive-aggressive, lacking the cool confidence and friendly demeanor he shows in the original.
Dub Ken even makes excuses for his temporary embarrassment. He plays his bit about "I expected you to come from the other side; This is the first time that play ever failed!" as defensive whining.
With that match behind him, Daisuke walks home with Taichi and the junior Digimon team, while they unpack everything that just happened.
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Hikari: You don't even seem upset that you lost. Daisuke: "Daisuke-kun," he said! The genius remembered my name! Oh, I'm probably gonna brag about that for weeks! Miyako: (tugging Poromon's face) Mrrrrrgh! I missed out on getting Ken's autograph! Iori: Miyako-san.... Takeru: But that Sliding Tackle at the end was amazing! Hikari: Yeah! Chibimon: I was excited too! Daisuke: Really!? Pretty soon, maybe they'll pick me for the Japanese National Team! Taichi: At least play a decent game before you start talking like that. Apart from that one play, this was a total stomp. Daisuke: (deflated) You're too strict, Taichi-san!
"Sliding Tackle" is in English. Poor Daisuke. Taichi's not wrong but still. Rude.
As the group passes by a pedestrian bridge, we zoom in on the bridge to find Ken still in his uniform, stalking them. His face curls into a wicked grin as we go to commercial.
In the dub, Davis has already begun the bragging Daisuke said he'd be doing.
Davis: Then we shook hands and he said he admired me! Tai: (sarcastic) Oh, come on! Kari: I've never seen you this happy about losing a game! Davis: It wasn't so bad! And guess what! He called me his worthy adversary! I mean, The Rocket practically said I'm just as good as he is! Yolei: (tugging Poromon's face) I can't believe you didn't get me his autograph! Cody: Need a pinch?
Cody's stuck on that pinch and it's starting to get weird.
T.K.: That sliding block you did was ultra-cool, Davis! Kari: Yeah, cool! DemiVeemon: It made my toes tingle! Davis: You know what I predict? I betcha that Ken and I are gonna be on the same championship team some day! Tai: I think you're getting ahead of yourself. Maybe you ought to try something first: How about you try scoring at least one goal against him! Davis: Ugh... Very funny, Tai, but I guess you got a point. I'll have to try that....
I would say, "Sorry, Davis, but Yolei already called dibs; We've talked about this".
But. Uh.
The shippers have spoken.
The dub gives Ken some silence-breaking dialogue for his parting shot.
Ken: Hehehehehehe.... Ken: (thinking) Go ahead. Laugh while you are still able. For the time draws closer to when you shall bow before me. No one is my equal, as you shall find out soon!
From there, they agree that their second commercial should go here.
The next day, in Computer Club, Miyako has something very important to talk to Daisuke about.
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Miyako: Daisuke. Hold out your right hand. Daisuke: Ehhh!?
He has no idea what's going on, but he complies.
Daisuke: Like this? Miyako: If I hold this hand, then it will be like I'm shaking hands with Ichijouji Ken-kun.
Miyako reaches for Daisuke's hand and gets almost to the point of skin on skin contact before she recoils and pulls back.
Miyako: No! I can't!
Cut to outside the school, where students can be seen walking home. Miyako screams so loud it can be heard from all the way out here.
Miyako: MY STRONG PERCEPTION WON'T ALLOW ME TO SHAKE HANDS WITH DAISUKE!!! Daisuke: @_@ .... Takeru: What is going on over there?
The disastrous yet inevitable consequences of combining Love and Purity into a single character, that's what. Poor Daisuke just walked into this room and got yelled at for being undesirable. XD It's gonna be that kinda day, huh?
In the dub:
Yolei: Gimme your hand! Davis: Why!? Yolei: I'll tell you why: Because I said so! Davis: Huh!? (Davis holds out his hand) Davis: (reluctant) Here ya go.... Yolei: Since you shook hands with Ken, if I shake hands with you, it will be almost like I'm shaking hands with him! (Yolei tries, but pulls back) Yolei: Ugh! Oh, I can't do it! It's not the same! (Exterior shot of the school) Yolei: I'll wait to shake hands with my beloved in person. Cody: (sarcastic) Oh, brother.... T.K.: Just what are you doing, Cody?
Awkward. Yolei refuses to tell Davis why she wants him to hold out his hand only to immediately explain herself anyway one line later.
They don't use the gag of Miyako screaming about Daisuke's undesirability so loud that the entire building can hear it, so the exterior shot of the school ends up being a weird, random cut.
Then, because they didn't have Yolei scream all of a sudden, T.K. has nothing to react to. So instead he asks for an update on Cody's activities at the computer, while clearly not looking at Cody at all.
Suddenly, a beep at the computer alerts Iori to new activity.
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Iori: What's this? Upamon: Iori, what's wrong dagyaa? Iori: Take a look at this.
The map shows a single black square amidst an ocean of white squares.
Hikari: He put a Dark Tower in a place like this? Takeru: That wasn't there yesterday.
Behind them, Daisuke remains frozen in confusion while Miyako stares down his hand, steeling her resolve.
Iori: He must have built it last night. Takeru: What's this area like? Iori: (English) "Death Valley". (Japanese) Which means it's called 死の谷 Shi no Tani. Upamon: But there's nothing there dagyaa. Hikari: Why is it in the middle of nowhere? Takeru: What is the Digimon Kaiser planning to do there? Iori: He may be establishing a foothold, which he can then use to expand his territory outwards. Takeru: We should do something about that now! Hikari: Yeah! Takeru: LET'S GO, DAISUKE-KUN!!!
Daisuke remains where we left him, with Miyako trying to bring herself to touch him.
Miyako: Mrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.... Daisuke: Could you hurry up and decide?
XD At least he's a good sport about it.
The dub doesn't have the sudden alert chime. It does have T.K. prompting Cody about his activities, but Cody doesn't respond like he's answering T.K.'s question.
Cody: I can't believe it! Upamon: You're dreaming! Let me pinch you! Cody: It's a Control Spire! Kari: What's it doing there!? Gatomon: Controlling. Spiring. The usual. Cody: It must have been built overnight. Amazing.... T.K.: So just where is it located? Cody: I'm not sure. This map doesn't list the points of interest. Upamon: It's the Forbidden Valley of No Return. Kari: Why do bad guys always name things like that? T.K.: It's in the job description. It's right after really stinky breath. Cody: Even if this place was called the Valley of Duckies and Bunnies, with a Control Spire there, there's trouble. T.K.: We've got to destroy it before it's used to control all the Digimon, yeah? Kari: (gasp) Right! T.K.: What are we waiting for!? LET'S GO, DAVIS!!! (No urgency from Davis and Yolei) Yolei: .......... Davis: Are you really sure about this? Digi-Port Open.
The dub kids treat this like it's an ordinary Control Spire situation. We lose both:
Why we shouldn't care: It's in the middle of nowhere. There's nothing there for the Kaiser to threaten. Why we should, actually: The Kaiser might use it as a staging ground to invade other territories.
Scrubbing both of these elements balances to zero and leaves us right back at business as usual. "The Emperor is setting up shop in some random place and we should go stop him."
I really like Davis awkwardly giving the deployment phrase.
The Chosen Children cross over and enter Death Valley. It's a barren, lifeless desert. Utterly unremarkable save for the Dark Tower in the distance and the Gate television they came from.
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Hikari: There really is nothing here. Daisuke: (spotting the tower) There it is! Takeru: Still, we can't get careless. We don't know where the enemy might be hiding. Iori: That's true.
The children make their way across the desert, keeping an eye out for where the attack might come from. Unfortunately, they don't consider down. Miyako and Hawkmon suddenly plunge into the ground, vanishing in a second.
Miyako: WAUGH!!! Hikari: Miyako-san! Tailmon: Hawkmon!
Then it takes the rest too. Hikari, Takeru, and Iori vanish into the earth, along with their Partner Digimon.
Group: AHHHHH!!! Daisuke: W-What the... What just happened!? V-mon: Careful, Daisuke! This might be the enemy's trap!
I'd place good odds on that. Leaving Daisuke and V-mon topside, the rest of the team plunges into a mysterious dark abyss.
Group: AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Takeru: WHAT'S HAPPENING!?!?
In the dub:
Kari: Wow, this Valley sure does look Forbidden alright. Davis: A few Duckies and Bunnies would spruce it up!
XD That got me.
T.K.: Come on, quit kidding around! The Digimon Emperor could be around here anywhere so stay sharp! Cody: Let's stay together.
As they start walking, the team's given some extra dialogue to break the silence.
Yolei: I think this valley is kind of quaint and homey. Davis: More like homely! Kari: Quiet, you guys. We don't want the Emperor to hear us coming. (Yolei vanishes) Yolei: WHOA!!! Kari: I bet he heard that. Gatomon: My gosh, they're gone! (The rest of the group vanishes except Davis) Group: WHOA!!! Davis: GUYS!!! Did you see that, Veemon? You okay? The ground just ate our friends! Veemon: Maybe it will swallow us next! (Cut to the dark abyss) Group: AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Takeru does have lip flaps for the very short line they cut from him during the fall, but it happens so fast that you probably won't notice if you aren't looking for it.
The extra dialogue is cute. I do feel like they missed an opportunity here to have the ground eat Yolei while she's talking about how it's actually kind of nice here.
Davis and Veemon flatly explaining the tension to each other loses me, though.
Up topside, Daisuke digs frantically in the sand to try and get to the rest of his team.
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V-mon: Daisuke, shouldn't we contact Taichi and the others!? Daisuke: No! That would take too long! Worthless piece of shit Digimon Kaiser! Kaiser: (disembodied voice) You seem to be in a lot of trouble. Daisuke: Ah!
Apparently the secret incantation to make the Digimon Kaiser appear is to curse him out. That explains why he seems to be everywhere in the Digital World.
Daisuke: DIGIMON KAISER!!! IS THIS YOUR HANDIWORK!?!? Kaiser: I've taken custody of your precious nakama. You'd better come quickly if you ever want to see them again.
Daisuke and V-mon break into a sprint, gunning it for the Dark Tower. with Daisuke cursing some more while they run.
Daisuke: GODDAMMIT!!!
Finally, they cross the sands and reach a rockier set of hills where the Dark Tower is mounted. They climb the first rocks and find the Kaiser waiting above.
Daisuke: DIGIMON KAISER!!! Kaiser: Huhuhuhuhu... Thank you for coming all this way.
For real, I half expected him to have a makeshift soccer field set up like, "Apropos of nothing I CHALLENGE YOU!!!" Etemon used to have one; We could repurpose that. XD
The dub, of course, will not let Davis swear like that.
Veemon: I think you better call Tai to help us out. Davis: No way, Veemon! That will take way too long! Help me dig before we find more trouble! Emperor: (disembodied voice) More trouble has found you! Davis: Huh!?
Okay, that's a sick line. A+
Davis: Digimon Emperor, what have you done!? Where are my friends!? Emperor: Your friends, as you call them, are here with me. Come and see for yourself if you dare.
As Davis and Veemon take off running, they're again given some extra dialogue to break the silence.
Davis: Run, Veemon! The ground could open up and swallow us at any second! Veemon: I wanted to start getting some more exercise but running for my life wasn't what I had in mind! Davis: I'm more worried about our friends right now! Veemon: We're coming! (Davis and Veemon crest the lower rocks) Davis: The Emperor's voice came from this direction! Veemon: I hope so! Whew! Davis: There he is! You're gonna get it! Emperor: Huhuhuhuhu! (sarcastic) Oh, I am so scared!
...I think Davis has failed to make the connection between the pitfall traps and the Emperor's challenge. XD He's dim, it's fine.
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Daisuke: WHERE ARE THEY!?!? Kaiser: Can't you see them right in front of you? Daisuke: What?
The Kaiser raises his right arm to the side, drawing Daisuke's attention to a nearby land bridge. The rest of his nakama and their Digimon are all tied up and dangling from the bridge.
Most of the Digimon are tied simply with bindings around their midsection. But for some reason, Patamon's wings are bound separately and then the Kaiser stuffed the rest of him in a bag.
(I'm gonna guess that this is because his Air Shot/Boom Bubble is fired from his mouth.)
Daisuke: GUYS!!! ARE YOU OKAY!?!? Hikari: I'M SORRY, DAISUKE-KUN!!! Takeru: WE GOT CARELESS!!! Iori: BE CAREFUL, DAISUKE-SAN!!! Miyako: (angrily) HURRY UP AND SAVE US, DAISUKE!!!
Everyone else is worried and apologetic but Miyako's like, "Get me the fuck down from here before I spit on you from range."
In the dub:
Davis: LET MY FRIENDS GO!!! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THEM!?!? Emperor: Take a look! Your friends are at my mercy! And so, it would appear, are you. (Emperor draws Davis's attention to the dangling team) Davis: OH NO!!! GUYS!!! Kari: DAVIS, SAVE YOURSELF!!! T.K.: RUN!!! YOU CAN STILL ESCAPE!!! Cody: DON'T TAKE YOUR EYES OFF THE EMPEROR!!! Yolei: WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR!?!? SAVE ME!!!
Rather than apologizing, Kari and T.K. encourage Davis to abandon them to their fates. Cody offers tactical advice, while the gag of Yolei having a very different reaction to the rest of them makes it through.
Unfortunately, this isn't the full extent of the Kaiser's trap.
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Daisuke: I'LL GET YOU DOWN RIGHT NOW!!! Kaiser: STOP RIGHT THERE!!! Aren't you worried about the lives of your nakama? Daisuke: What!? Kaiser: COME OUT, DELTAMON!!!
The mountain behind the land bridge suddenly explodes, revealing the colossal Digimon that's been lying in wait.
Deltamon is an Adult-stage Virus-attribute Composite Digimon. Deltamon came from the same evolution tree as Gazimon and Gizamon. A Gizamon that was poorly cared for would become Raremon, but if they were at least trained exceptionally well, they'd become Deltamon.
Narrator: Deltamon! A Dragon-type Digimon with a metal head on their right arm and a skull head on their left. Their special attack is Triplex Force!
The narrator says they're 竜型 Ryuu-gata or "Dragon-type" but the Digimon Analyzer blurb reads 合成型デジモン Gosei-gata Dejimon or "Composite-type Digimon" plain as day. I think Gennai might have licensed this rundown out for the American Izzy to write.
An interesting detail that goes unmentioned in the rundown is that all three heads are separately aware and generally pretty selfish. This is an easy detail to overlook as the other two heads could just as easily be interpreted as decorative blasters or something. Omegamon's Garuru Cannon doesn't have its own distinct consciousness.
Questions for later. Right now, we have a kaiju-sized Digimon to deal with.
Kaiser: It's about time to feed this Deltamon. Your nakama will make for a good meal. Hikari & Miyako: NOOOOOOOO!!!
...I guess Takeru and Iori are fine with it because they don't pipe up.
Daisuke: STOP IT!!! I'LL NEVER LET YOU DO THAT!!! Kaiser: Let me!? Who do you think you're talking to? Their lives are in my hands now. Daisuke: Tch!
In the dub:
Davis: DON'T WORRY, I'LL THINK OF SOMETHING!!! Emperor: Think fast! Davis: Huh!? Emperor: Your time is running short. Whoops, time's up! Haha! Davis: Oh no! Nrgh! Emperor: AWAKEN, DELTAMON!!!
That Davis takes the Emperor at face value when he says "time's up" and reacts before there's anything to actually react to is amazing.
Veemon: Maybe it's a Ducky or a Bunny! (Deltamon explodes from the mountain) Davis: OH NO!!! Just what is that thing, Veemon!?
Goddammit, Veemon. That got me again. XD Getting a lot of mileage out of Cody's flippant observation.
Veemon: (rundown) Deltamon is a Dragon-type Digimon with a metal head for one hand and a skull for the other! His attacks are Triplex Force and Serpent Bite! Emperor: What luck that you all dropped by. See, it's Deltamon's dinner time and I think eating all of you will make a well-balanced meal, don't you!? Daisuke: Oh no you won't! I'll never let let you get away with this! Emperor: It appears that you have no choice! If you want me to show mercy, you must beg for it! Davis: Huh!?
See what you did, Gennai? Now the Americans think this is a Dragon Digimon too. Go to the timeout corner.
Apart from the Japanese script tricking the Dub Team into regurgitating bad info, this is all pretty solid. Though they do start the "beg for it" bit early, which has some subtle characterization effects.
There is one funny thing though. They kept the name Triplex Force which will be convenient for dealing with lip flaps later but renamed Skull Fang, Deltamon's other attack which is listed on their Digimon Analyzer readout but will not be used in this episode. They brought it up just to rename it. Okay, guys. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
...oh hey, the shrug emoji's face is the letter tsu in Katakana. Neat.
Sorry. ADHD.
Now that their predicament is clear, it's time for the Kaiser to lay out his conditions.
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Kaiser: If you want to save them then, let's see... Why don't you kneel before me? V-mon: Do what!?
Daisuke does it immediately and without hesitation.
V-mon: Daisuke...? Daisuke: Please. Let them go. Kaiser: "Please"? How about "I beg you".
Daisuke bows low, in supplication.
Daisuke: I beg you. Please let them go. Kaiser: (enjoying this) V-mon! Step on his head! V-mon: Ehhh!? Daisuke: It's fine. Do it, V-mon! V-mon: But-- Daisuke: Everyone's lives depend on us, so hurry up and do it!
V-mon swallows down his reluctance and does it, stepping down on the back of Daisuke's head.
V-mon: Sorry. I'm sorry, Daisuke. Kaiser: Hahahahaha HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Here we see the extent of Daisuke's loyalty to his nakama. For their sakes, he swallows his pride without hesitation.
In the dub:
Emperor: You heard me, pathetic loser. On your knees and beg! "Please, Master, spare my friends." Davis: Ugh. (Davis kneels) Veemon: Don't, Davis.... Davis: Please, Master, spare my friends. Emperor: "Please, Master, spare my worthless friends." Davis: (bows low) Please, Master, spare my worthless friends. Emperor: That's excellent! Now, Veemon, restrain him! I command you! Veemon: NEVER!!! Grrrrr grrrrrrrrrr.... Davis: It's okay, Veemon. Do what he says. Veemon: Davis.... Davis: Do it for the others. If it will save our friends, obey the Emperor. (Veemon steps on Davis's head.) Emperor: Hahahahahahahahaha!
It's a minor nitpick, but starting the "beg me" bit a line early means Davis does actually have to overcome some hesitancy here. We don't get the same effect where Daisuke just drops down and does it on the spot.
Still, the heart of this moment rings true. We still see how dedicated and loyal Davis is to the others.
The one issue here is that the Emperor says to "restrain" Davis but. Like. Stepping on his head isn't doing much to restrain him, so that's awkward. Especially when Veemon lets Daisuke up a moment later.
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Kaiser: This is so pitiful to watch, I actually will show mercy. Daisuke: Really!? Kaiser: But, it can't be everyone. Daisuke: (gasp) Kaiser: Deltamon is very hungry after having to wait for so long. I'll only spare one person. Your choice. Daisuke: What!?
Deltamon roars, waiting for Daisuke's choice.
Daisuke: Then... Only one person....
The Kaiser holds up a small hourglass.
Kaiser: You have until the sand runs out to make your choice. If I don't have your answer by then, they all die. Hikari: DAISUKE-KUN!!! I'LL BE FINE!!! CHOOSE SOMEONE ELSE!!! Takeru: I'LL SACRIFICE MYSELF; PICK SOMEONE ELSE!!! Miyako: I DON'T WANT EVERYONE ELSE TO DIE!!! I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONLY ONE SPARED!!! Iori: WE WILL RESPECT YOUR DECISION, DAISUKE-SAN!!! Daisuke: W-What do I do? Who do I choose...?
It honestly speaks well of Daisuke that he doesn't immediately and reflexively pick Hikari.
In the dub:
Emperor: Seeing you squirm is so delicious. You're so entertaining, maybe I should take pity on you. Davis: Yeah? Emperor: As you can see, Deltamon has only three mouths but there are four children. Therefore, you may have one. Sadly, I cannot spare them all. Choose who will be spared.
I love that rationale for only sparing one. That's clever. A+
Davis: So I have to choose!? (Deltamon roars) Davis: I can't do it! How do I pick one over the others!? (Emperor holds up an hourglass) Emperor: This must be done delicately. Delicately! You have until the sands run out to choose. And it isn't long, pretty boy. It isn't long! Kari: DON'T WORRY ABOUT ME!!! SAVE ONE OF THE OTHERS!!! T.K.: GET OUT OF HERE, DAVIS!!! GO AHEAD, SAVE YOURSELF!!! Yolei: OH SURE, MAKE ME LOOK BAD!!! FINE THEN, DON'T SAVE ME!!! Cody: WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO DO, DAVIS, WE TRUST YOU!!! SO THINK OF SOMETHING!!! Davis: I, uh... I just don't know what I should do! The sand's running out! How am I supposed to choose only one of my friends and sacrifice all the rest!?
I also really like Yolei's line here. Caving to social pressure is a good way of explaining her jump from "GET ME THE FUCK DOWN" to suddenly offering herself up to be eaten like Kari and T.K.
While Daisuke is paralyzed with indecision, the sand in the hourglass counts down.
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Kaiser: Better hurry up before the sand runs out. Daisuke: I... I.... Kaiser: Are you just going to abandon your nakama? (amused) Guess they aren't your friends. Daisuke: I...! Fuck! FUCK!!! Kaiser: Hahahahaha! Kaiser: (thinking) You wounded my pride. This anguish is exactly what you deserve.
Yeah, in case it wasn't already obvious, the Kaiser's inner monologue states it outright. This is revenge for Daisuke intercepting one of his shots in the soccer match. All of this is because he didn't get to make that tenth goal.
Clearly, Ken is the real victim here.
In the dub:
Emperor: Like sands in the hourglass, so are your friends' lives. Davis: I just, I... I can't do it! Emperor: Will you throw all their lives away? Is that what you call friendship!? Davis: THEY'RE ALL MY FRIENDS!!! Davis: (thinking) Kari! T.K.! Cody! Yolei! Davis: AUUUUUUUGH!!! Emperor: Hahahahahaha! Emperor: (thinking) You brought this on yourself. You made me look like a fool! Now you must suffer!
Solid. The dub's doing a pretty good job of handling the sadistic choice with all the dramatic gravitas that it deserves. And, contrary to several previous episodes, are playing Davis completely straight.
Kaiser: Time's up.
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Kaiser: Chosen Children! YOU MAY DIE RESENTFUL OF MOTOMIYA DAISUKE!!!
He finally knows one of their names and this is what he does with it.
Daisuke: WAIT!!! TAKE ME INSTEAD OF THEM!!! Kaiser: YOU ASK FAR TOO MUCH!!! BUT I'LL GRANT YOUR WISH!!! DELTAMON!!!
Deltamon's heads all turn together away from the children. Now they advance on Daisuke instead.
In the dub:
Emperor: AND NOW, DIGIDESTINED, IT'S TIME TO SAY GOODBYE!!! Davis: WAIT, TAKE ME INSTEAD OF THE OTHERS!!! Emperor: Hmm... YOU THINK YOU CAN SATISFY HIS HUNGER!?!? ALRIGHT THEN!!! DELTAMON!!! T.K.: LOOK OUT, DAVIS!!!
Helpful. Thanks, T.K.! I'll be careful where I step!
Daisuke and Veemon freeze up as Deltamon advances. The colossal monster stomps towards them and--
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--suddenly stumbles when their massive foot collapses a sinkhole underneath.
Kaiser: What!?
Digmon emerges from the dust cloud.
Daisuke: Digmon!? Horusmon: V-MOOOOOOOON!!!
Horusmon, Pegasmon, and Nefertimon fly in from the rear.
(Horusmon flies by) V-mon: Horusmon! (Nefertimon flies by) V-mon: Nefertimon! (Pegasmon flies by) V-mon: Pegasmon!
The other four children then arrive on foot, catching up to Daisuke.
Takeru: DAISUKE-KUN!!! We're all safe! Daisuke: Guys!? Then what are--
The jig is up. All of the dangling captives transform back into their true forms: Those shapeshifting impersonators, the Bakemon.
Bakemon is an Adult-stage Virus-attribute Ghost Digimon. We saw a lot of them during the Vamdemon arc. They were pretty much the default Nightmare Soldier of Vamdemon's forces. They also featured in Jou and Sora's duo episode for the initial File Island arc.
By this point, their capabilities as bakemono, supernatural shapeshifters who pretend to be other things in order to deceive humans, are well-established. This was pretty clever of the Kaiser; I guess he's been brushing up on his Digimon after Gomamon embarrassed him.
Narrator: Bakemon! A Ghost Digimon whose head is covered by a cloth. Their true identity is shrouded in mystery. Their special attack is Hell's Hand!
Yeah, turns out this was just the meanest prank. The Kaiser wasn't actually going to execute 4/5 of the human kids; He was just weaving an illusion to traumatize Daisuke. This whole trap was just so he could flex on Daisuke for a bit and feel better about himself.
In the dub:
Veemon: Davis! If you've been holding back and planning a surprise attack, now would be a good time to yell "Surprise!" Emperor: Haha! (Deltamon stumbles into the sinkhole) Davis: Surprise? Veemon: Very funny! Emperor: What's going on!? Digmon: Surprise? It isn't even my birthday! Davis: It's Digmon! Huh!
Really should listen to the original lines when dubbing audio to get the delivery down right. This line is supposed to be a confused WTF "It's Digmon!?" Because, y'know, this character currently exists in two separate places. That's weird and surprising.
But Davis delivers it with a jubilant "It's Digmon!" Like. Yay! Digmon is here! He made it! The only indication that there's anything weird about that is the little "Huh!" at the end of it.
Halsemon, Nefertimon, and Pegasusmon: INCOMING!!! (Halsemon flies by) Veemon: Pegasusmon! (Nefertimon flies by) Veemon: Halsemon! (Pegasusmon flies by) Veemon: Nefertimon!
...
(face palm)
Veemon calls them all out as they fly in, like he does in the original script, but he calls them all by the wrong names. What the fuck, Dub Team.
Obviously, this is a sorting error. It's supposed to go Horusmon, Nefertimon, Pegasmon but instead they have Pegasusmon, Halsemon, Nefertimon. Pegasusmon got moved to the front of the list by mistake.
But. Fuck, that is embarrassingly sloppy. Again, I am left baffled by the fact that they clearly didn't watch the finished episodes of their show just once before releasing them to broadcast.
T.K.: It's an illusion! We're alright! Davis: But if you're here, who's that!? (The Bakemon reveal their true selves) Yolei: Eww, gross! Davis: What are those things!? Veemon: (rundown) Despite their obvious dental hygiene problems, Bakemon are able to accurately impersonate any other creature! Their attack is called the Dark Claw!
I would have had T.K. or Kari do the rundown since they have so much experience with these things, but this works too.
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V-mon: They were just Bakemon! Kaiser: YOU FUCKWIT!!!
Wormmon finally enters the scene, crawling meekly over towards the Kaiser.
Kaiser: Why couldn't you hold them off just a little while longer!? Wormmon: Sorry, Ken-chan.... Daisuke: What a cowardly trick! Let's go, V-mon! V-mon: Got it, Daisuke! Daisuke: DIGIMENTAL UP!!!
Fladramon Armor Evolves, which is great for him but the fight's happening in the air right now.
Kaiser: GO, BAKEMON!!! FORMATION A!!!
The Bakemon cluster together and advance as a unit. But then, as they approach Horusmon, Nefertimon, and Pegasmon.
Kaiser: FORMATION C!!!
At his command, the Bakemon split into three groups of three. Where the ninth came from is beyond me since there should be four for the Children and four for the Digimon. They circle rapidly as they advance, disorienting their opponents.
Kaiser: (English) ATTACK!!!
The Bakemon suddenly attack at once, pummeling the Partner Digimon.
In the dub:
Veemon: He made the Bakemon look like our friends! Emperor: I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!! YOU DUMB BAKEMON!!! I HAD THAT KID RIGHT WHERE I WANTED HIM!!! Wormmon: (whining) It's not my fault...!
They have the Emperor yell at the Bakemon instead of at Wormmon, only for Wormmon to then react as if he were the one being yelled at anyway.
Davis: I can't believe he pulled that trick on me! Go get him, Veemon! Veemon: It will be my pleasure. Davis: DIGI-ARMOR ENERGIZE!!! (Veemon Armor Digivolves to Flamedramon) Emperor: BAKEMON, YOU GAP-TOOTHED FOOLS!!! ATTACK!!! (The Bakemon approach the Partner Digimon as a cluster) Emperor: NOT ME, THEM!!! (The Bakemon split up) Pegasusmon: HERE THEY COME!!! Halsemon: They're everywhere. Nefertimon: Like mosquitos! Emperor: ATTACK THEM!!! (The Bakemon pummel the Partner Digimon) Davis: I never saw mosquitos do that!
They fucked this up so bad. The point of the formations here is to callback to Ken's "Last Formation D", the movement that nearly scored his tenth goal before Daisuke intervened. Ken is leading the Bakemon the same way he leads his soccer team.
They cut the formations from the soccer match and they cut them out again here. Instead, they replace them with a bumbling minions joke that doesn't even work, because the animation clearly shows the Bakemon approaching the enemy before Ken cuts in with "Not me!" Zero effort went into this gag.
They took out a deliberate parallel and replaced it with a stock Cartoon Supervillain gag that doesn't fit the animation.
Watching the Bakemon attack, Takeru offers his assessment.
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Takeru: The Digimon Kaiser! He's keenly aware of where his enemies and allies are at all times, and he's using that to call out effective instructions! Daisuke: The Digimon Kaiser, huh?
While everyone's focused on the fight, Daisuke slips away from the group.
Fladramon: KNUCKLE FIRE!!! Digmon: GOLD RUSH!!! Kaiser: FORMATION F!!!
Fladramon and Digmon cut loose with fireballs and flying drills. But at the Kaiser's command, the Bakemon all back off in unison, evading every last shot.
Kaiser: And next is-- Daisuke: YAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
Out of nowhere, Daisuke tackles the Kaiser, throwing them both off the edge of the hillside and sending them tumbling down together.
Wormmon: KEN-CHAAAAAAN!!!
Yell that a little louder, why don't you?
In the dub:
T.K.: The Emperor is controlling them! The Dark Rings the Bakemon are wearing are the key! He's ordering them around like a general leading his army! Davis: Not for long! I'm gonna get that guy!
Credit for recognizing the important parallel to the soccer game here. T.K. compares the Emperor to "a general leading his army" just like he did for Ken back at the game. But since they cut out all the strategic assessment of Ken's abilities, all they have to support it is an awkward re-explanation of how Dark Rings work announced as if it were a shocking realization.
Flamedramon: RRRGH!!! Digmon: HRR EUGH!!! Halsemon, Nefertimon, & Pegasusmon: AHHHH!!! Emperor: BAKEMON, FINISH THEM!!!
I don't know why they don't call their attacks but just make grunting exertion noises.
That said, XD The animation for Fladramon and Digmon unloading on the Bakemon is super janky and honestly looks like they're shooting at Horusmon, Nefertimon, and Pegasmon. So the dub has the three of them react to being friendly fired at and it's amazing.
WITH FRIENDS LIKE THESE
And then we whiplash right back into shit, as the order for the Bakemon to back off and avoid the attack is inexplicably "Finish them".
The fact that all of the Kaiser's commands are just the English words "Formation [Letter]!" seems to have stumped the Dub Team when they got the translated script.
Emperor: I have them now. Davis: NEVER!!! (Davis tackles the Emperor) Wormmon: I'll stay and guard the hill!
Not sure if that's meant to be a Star Wars reference but it does feel like a Star Wars reference. Comparing Ken to Darth Vader is... Yeah, that's fair.
Sliding down the hillside, Daisuke wrestles with the Kaiser, using the Kaiser like a sled. The Kaiser seems remarkably nonchalant about it so that cape must be really good for tumbling.
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Daisuke: I won't be beaten by a hostage-taking coward like you! Kaiser: I'm on a completely different level from all of you! I'm a genius! Daisuke: Who cares!?
Once they reach the bottom of the hill, the Kaiser uses their momentum for a skillfully-executed throw, tossing Daisuke across the chasm.
Daisuke: WAUGH!!! Kaiser: DELTAMON, TRIPLEX FORCE!!!
Deltamon charges up the attack with all three of their heads, leveled straight at Daisuke.
Kaiser: Goodbye, Motomiya Daisuke-kun.
Yeah, the Kaiser so far has been out to capture or force the Chosen Children into surrender. But he's out for blood this time. He is unambiguously about to kill Daisuke.
In the dub:
Davis: You tried to take over the Digital World and destroy me!? Well, I'm taking you with me!
The dub takes its third commercial break here, with Davis and the Emperor sliding down the hill. We return on Davis talking again.
Davis: You call yourself the Digimon Emperor!? What's with that!? Emperor: I am a genius! I cannot lose to a child like you! Davis: Like me!? You are like me! (Emperor throws Davis off at the bottom of the hill) Davis: You're a kid just like us! Emperor: I THINK NOT!!! DELTAMON, TRIPLEX FORCE!!! (Deltamon charges up the attack) Emperor: SAY GOODBYE!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Dub's still pushing that point that for all his grandeur, the Emperor is just another kid. And I appreciate them for that.
They also don't softball this moment. Ken is going for the throat here even in the dub.
Where the dub is weaker is that, again, we don't have the Emperor saying Davis's name. It's such a twist of the knife in the original. Daisuke was so happy that Ken remembered his name, and this is what the Kaiser does with it. It's a betrayal of the pedestal that Daisuke's placed Ken on.
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Fladramon: NOT SO FAST!!! Daisuke: FLADRAMON!!! Fladramon: We won't lose to anyone! FIRE ROCKET!!!
As Deltamon fires, Fladramon wreathes himself in fire and dives straight down the beam. He closes distance and slams into the Evil Ring around Deltamon's waist, shattering it.
In the dub:
Flamedramon: Hello! Davis: Flamedramon! Flamedramon: Why leave so soon? The party's just starting. FIRE ROCKET!!! Davis: Flamedramon, aim for the Dark Ring!
You know, I'd think Flamedramon would be used to this by now and wouldn't need the guidance. But it doesn't hurt. Last thing we want is to get overenthusiastic and kill one of these guys again.
While the Kaiser's busy with Daisuke, Daisuke's plan proves successful. The Bakemon are disoriented for lack of clear leadership, floating aimlessly around and trying to figure out what to do.
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Nefertimon: Without the Kaiser's instructions, the Bakemon are panicking. Pegasmon: Leave this to me and go for the Dark Tower! Nefertimon & Horusmon: Understood!
Nefertimon and Horusmon peel off, leaving Pegasmon behind.
Pegasmon: SHOOTING STAR!!!
Pegasmon's stars cut through the aimless Bakemon, breaking off their Evil Rings en masse. The rest of the team converges on the Dark Tower.
Horusmon: TEMPEST WING!!! Nefertimon: ROSETTA STONE!!! Digmon: BIG CRACK!!!
(That second shot isn't misaligned; There's a weird black line that fills in just a tiny bit of the right side of the frame during all three of the stock animation attacks here. No idea what that's about.)
Together, their combined attacks bring the obelisk crashing to the ground.
Chosen Children: HOORAY!!!
See, Ken? This is where smugness gets you. So proud of his super-intelligence but he's also set himself up as the single point of failure. Horusmon, Nefertimon, and Pegasmon were able to adapt to changing circumstances and make plans without their squad captain needing to order them around. That's why they beat his ass just now.
Individual exceptionalism falters in the face of collective cooperation.
In the dub:
T.K.: It's working! The Emperor's power over the Bakemon is weakening! Pegasusmon: It's now or never! This is our chance to attack! (Nefertimon and Halsemon peel off) Pegasusmon: STAR SHOWER!!! (Pegasusmon takes out the Bakemon) Digmon: Target the Control Spire! Halsemon: TEMPEST WING!!! Nefertimon: ROSETTA STONE!!! Digmon: ROCK CRACKING!!! (The team brings down the Spire) Digmon: There she blows! DigiDestined: THEY DID IT!!! Davis: They sure did! Yes!
"The Emperor's power over the Bakemon is weakening"? Uh. Why? Was Deltamon a load-bearing conduit he was routing the Dark Digivice's power through or something?
With the tower brought down, that just leaves Daisuke facing down a now defenseless Digimon Kaiser.
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Kaiser: (gently) Unbelievable. To think that I'd be beaten the same way twice. Daisuke: Twice? Kaiser: (smiling) That was a tactical error on my part. I forgot that when your back's against the wall, you stop caring about what's happening around you and just go straight for the leader. Daisuke: What are you talking about!? Ah!
It's at that moment that Daisuke notices a bloody stain on the Kaiser's right ankle
Daisuke: (gasp) That wound on your leg! (realizing) That's impossible. It has to be a coincidence.... Kaiser: It's no coincidence.
The Kaiser stands up, pulling off his dark glasses and revealing his eyes to Daisuke.
Ken: It's exactly what you think. Daisuke: It... It can't be. Ichijouji Ken! Ken: I'll concede defeat for today. But from now on, I'm going to fight you seriously. AHAHA AHAHAHAHA!!!
An Airdramon swoops past out of nowhere. Ken leaps into the air, mounting his Airdramon and vanishing into the sky. Leaving behind a dumbstruck Daisuke struggling to deal with this revelation.
Daisuke: I... I admired you so much.... You're the same age as me, but you're amazing... So why... WHY THE HELL IS THIS HAPPENING!?!?
Poor Daisuke. The funny thing is, Ken wasn't even hiding it this whole time. He reveals his identity himself at the end. He wanted Daisuke to know.
He must have been so disappointed when Daisuke didn't pick up on the subtle hint of name-dropping him twice.
In the dub, Ken isn't as civil and oddly friendly about his defeat.
Emperor: No... NO!!! WHAT WENT WRONG!?!? MY MASTER PLAN WAS INVINCIBLE!!! (smiling) I see I neglected to factor in that you're one of those "all or nothing" types. I can't believe the same person made me look like a fool twice in the same day! Davis: What do you mean, twice? (Davis notices the bloodstain) Davis: Hey, how'd you get that cut on your leg!? ...wait, are you...!? Could you possibly be...!? Emperor: I COULD AND I AM!!! (The emperor stands up and pulls off his glasses) Ken: KEN ICHIJOUJI!!! Davis: WHOAAAA!!! I'm dreamin'! Ken is the Digimon Emperor!? Ken: The one and only. Well, Davis, farewell for now, my worthy adversary. Until we meet again in battle! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (Ken escapes on an Airdramon) Davis: I really looked up to you, Ken! I dreamed of being just like you some day. Now that I know you're my sworn enemy, all I can say is... And I mean this... YOU CAN KEEP YOUR CRUMMY AUTOGRAPH!!! Narrator: Now that Ken's secret is revealed, can the DigiDestined find a way to defeat him? Keep watching Digimon: Digital Monsters!
...did you look up to him? I sure didn't get that impression. The way I remember it, you were just hyped because you thought if you could beat him, you'd win over all of his fangirls.
This kinda blends into the Assessment so we'll just put this here.
Assessment: This ending continues to be loaded with callbacks. Ken basically repeats the same parting line he gave Davis at the soccer game. They understood the assignment; I just don't think they did a very good job executing it.
The eerie civility from the original is completely lost, despite that being so critical to the heart of this episode that it's literally titled for it. "The Loneliness of the Digimon Kaiser." That's what this episode is about.
Somewhere inside of him, Ken kinda likes Daisuke. He's lonely. There's a part of him that wants to connect. That wants to be friends and rivals and all those things with this kid.
It's why he goes to all the trouble of revealing himself. There's no pragmatic purpose to that. Ken gains nothing by letting Daisuke in on the ironic symmetry. He just. He wants Daisuke to know that it's him. He wants their relationship to be Daisuke and Ken, not Daisuke and the Digimon Kaiser.
But this is all stuff that he doesn't know how to process. He can't even connect emotionally to his Partner Digimon. And so he expresses himself in the only way he knows how: Through violence, domination, and destruction of an enemy.
Ken is, and I mean this in the best way, a My Little Pony villain.
While the dub goes for, in his own words, a "Worthy Adversaries" rivalry. Davis has earned Ken's respect as an enemy, but that's as far as they go. For the dub, this episode is just about the revelation of Ken's identity. It goes no deeper than that.
...and also Iori definitely has a doomed crushed on Miyako. Poor kid.
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taichi-x-koushiro · 4 months ago
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Prompt{s}: Light + Kindness + LOVE
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Digimon Adventure x tri. x Kizuna x 2020 ~ J.P.N Version featuring Character (+DUO/SHIP/O.T.P) Koushiro[u] Izumi (+Taichi Yagami); [KOUTAI] / (TAIKOU) / {Taishiro[u]} + Koushiro & Tentomon; (as Friends); + IZUMI Family (as Adopted) ~ Important Quotes ~ (Common) Character Traits ({+Awkward} Grinning or HAPPINESS) ~ Parallels (across all Adventure{s}-relevant medias)
“You look more EXCITED than you’ve ever BEEN before.”
“You look really HAPPY about something.”
“I understand how much you LOVE this” - Motimon as he patiently listens to Koushiro, (rambling about the benefits of Oolong);
“YOU LOOK HAPPY”
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“All WE WANT is for YOU to BE HAPPY.” - Mrs Izumi
(My Interpretation): {“Are YOU HAPPY?”}
“YES.”
“YES, I AM.” - Koushiro[u] Izumi, in every possible Universe, Likely
{Bonus Gifs + Original commentary under the ‘read more’!}
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tobiasdrake · 4 months ago
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Digimon Adventure 01x53 - The Final Dark Digimon / Now Apocalymon
Previously on Digimon Adventure: Piemon put a lot of effort into collecting Digimon Adventure memorabilia but then Takeru mugged him and stole all of his shit.
Now the Chosen Children have been faced with a startling revelation: The Dark Masters were a symptom, not the cause. Who is the true enemy that they must face?
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We open on the consumption of Spiral Mountain. What can only be described as the distortions of the Digital World finally made manifest and visible bleeds out over the wireframe of what had been Spiral Mountain, covering it all. At the top, the platform that had been the Dark Masters' home disintegrates into pixels.
The Chosen Children were up there so, y'know, they're fucked. They plunge together into the eldritch void where reality breaks. Their Digimon, still in their Perfect and Ultimate forms, fly in after them.
Garudamon: SORA!!! MetalGarurumon: YAMATO!!! AtlurKabuterimon: KOUSHIRO!!! Angewomon: HIKARI!!! Zudomon: JOU!!!
Nobody calls out for Taichi, Mimi, or Takeru. Rude.
One by one, the Children arrive at a space in the void where gravity stops pulling on them. They float, adrift in this space beyond reality.
In the dub, Tai narrates a bit for us.
Tai: Spiral Mountain is disintegrating! WATCH OUT!!! (The platform they're standing on disintegrates and the kids fall into the void) WarGreymon: TAI!!! Garudamon: SORA!!! MetalGarurumon: MATT!!! Lilimon: MIMI!!!
Tai yelling "Watch out!" as if the entire landmass you're standing on vaporizing as reality shatters around you is something you can dodge. XD He'd try, though. We all know he'd try.
They change up which Partners call out for their kid. Sora and Yamato/Matt get call-outs in both versions while both versions snub Takeru/T.K. That boy defeated Piemon and still gets no respect.
Together, the kids and their Partner Digimon come to realize their descent has ceased.
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Jou: (relieved) We stopped.... WarGreymon: Taichi! Are you safe!? Taichi: Yeah.... Koushiro: What is this place?
As if on cue, Koushiro's laptop beeps to alert him to an incoming message. Not an email this time; Gennai transmits a live call, though the connection is fuzzy and starts breaking up immediately.
Gennai: This darkness probably goes on forever. Koushiro: Gennai-san! Taichi: Hey! What the hell is going on here!? Yamato: We already defeated the Dark Masters! Gennai: But the root cause of all this evil hasn't been defeated yet. Children: EHHHH!?!? Gennai: The source of darkness came from the Wall of Fire. Jou: Wall of Fire? Gennai: There was an inscription in the Ancient Dino Region. The inscription said this: Long ago in ancient times, something emerged from beyond the Wall of Fire. Just by existing, this creature warped the fabric of space-time, bringing the world to the brink of collapse. Gennai: The Digimon could not defeat it with their own power, so they called on Chosen Children from the real world to help them eradicate it. Taichi: Huh!? But that means.... Jou: There were Chosen Children before us! Sora: Then we were also called because something came through the Wall of Fire again! And that's the real enemy!
Well, that's an infodump and a half. This is what Gennai and Centarumon were talking about last episode. Something came through the Wall of Fire long ago and had to be defeated, and now it's back for more.
The revelation that there was another set of Chosen Children before the Hikarigaoka Eight raises all kinds of questions and it's unfortunate that Homeostasis is not around to answer them.
(Though it also kind of makes sense, since it hasn't been explained why Parrotmon and Hikari's Koromon "fell through a breach in reality", as Homeostasis explained. That was probably the first time the Wall of Fire creature was tearing down the fabric of reality. So Homeostasis summoned one set of Children then and there to face that one, then started preparing for the Hikarigaoka Eight to face it when it returned.)
Note: The five Chosen Children we see in the flashback here are... uh... not canon. Which is to say, what we're seeing here are silhouettes of Taichi, Takeru, Sora, Koushiro, and Yamato, along with their specific five Partner Digimon.
02 and Tri would later flesh out the Original Five more, including their own distinct set of Partner Digimon. But for the original anime, they reused five of the existing kids because the specifics of the Original Five don't really matter much to this story.
What I do find interesting, however, is that the O5 were summoned directly to Primary Village and received their Partners from some Digitama that happened to be lying around. It makes the O-5's summoning seem a bit more rushed than the careful processing of Partners, Digivices, and Crests in a lab that Homeostasis was trying to do for the H-8.
In the dub:
WarGreymon: Tai, are you alright!? Tai: Y-Yeah... Izzy: Uh, this may be a stupid question but how come we're not still falling? ...huh!?
As usual, details buried in sound effects get lost. There is no beeping sound to alert Izzy to Gennai's transmission; He suddenly has a psychic premonition and breaks out his laptop.
Gennai: Greetings. I hope nobody needed a barf bag on the way down. Izzy: It's Gennai! Tai: So you're the one who brought us down here! Matt: What do you want!? We already beat the Dark Masters. Gennai: It's true that the evil of the Dark Masters was destroyed, but the source that created that evil still exists. Children: HUH!?!? Gennai: And that source came from the Wall of Fire. Joe: What's that? Gennai: When I was searching through the Dino Ruins, I came across an ancient inscription. It told of a time long ago when a strange being appeared from behind the Wall of Fire and it was angry. You would be too if you lived with that kind of humidity. Gennai: The mere existence of this being caused a warp in space, and time was thrown completely out of whack. It threatened the collapse of the Digital World and, even worse than that, my new wristwatch stopped working. Gennai: The Digimon knew they didn't have the strength to defeat this being, so the original DigiDestined children were summoned from the real world and together they defeated the evil. Tai: What!? Then you mean...? Joe: That there were other kids just like us before we came along? Sora: And we were summoned because something else came out from behind that Wall of Fire, didn't it? Huh. And that's the real enemy.
Tai and Matt are so hostile to Gennai. XD Taichi and Yamato are frustrated too, but Tai outright accuses Gennai of kidnapping them into the darkness. Y'know, 'cause homebody Gennai who was too lazy to visit File Island in person despite having a wearable mech suit definitely conjured up the power to consume Spiral Mountain in darkness himself.
Speaking of which, I love how Gennai takes credit for all of Centarumon's research. "When I was searching through the ruins" no you weren't, you managerial shit. XD That he pronounces it "Deeno Ruins" is the icing on the cake. He doesn't even know the name of the place he's claiming to have personally done archaeology at. Management!
The dub again suggests that the creature from beyond the Wall of Fire created the Dark Masters, rather than them empowering themselves from its effects on the world. It also suggests that the thing that came through the Wall of Fire this time is something distinctly separate from the one that came through before.
I see where they're coming from. "Something came through the Wall of Fire again" could mean that the thing from beyond the Wall of Fire has returned or it could mean that a new thing has emerged. But I'm fairly certain we're meant to take both instances as the same creature. I think there's only one of him.
From here, Gennai continues.
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Gennai: There was also a prophecy written in the inscription at the Ancient Dino Region. It said that, in time, a great darkness would once again emerge into this world from beyond the Wall of Fire. Yamato: A great darkness....
The children look around at the void of darkness they're in.
Jou: You mean this darkness? Taichi: Are you saying this darkness itself is our true enemy? Gennai: In a sense, I suppose. But I'm sure it has a body too. Fight with all your hearts, children!
The transmission goes fuzzy and Gennai fades away. Good luck! Gennai out!
Taichi: Wait! Don't go yet! (Transmission ends) Taichi: (angry) We're just grasping at clouds! How do we fight something we don't even understand!?
"Grasping a cloud" is a Japanese idiom about trying to do something that's flagrantly impossible.
Jou: (worried) What did he mean by that? Is it different from the enemy Digimon we've been fighting!? Koushiro: I think it means our enemy's fundamental nature is different. Yamato: We'll still win this. Because, back in the day, kids just like us defeated this same Digimon! Sora: You're right. There has to be a way.
Even Taichi seems shaken by the prospect of fighting this thing. But, at Yamato's words, Taichi nods and the rest of the team steels themselves for the battle to come.
In the dub:
Gennai: That's correct. But, unfortunately, that's just the good news. The bad news is, it also told of a great darkness that would blanket the entire Digital World. Matt: A great darkness... Huh.... Joe: Don't look now, but it's pretty dark. Tai: So is this the enemy? Gennai: In a way, yes. But I believe he has a form as well. He's, uhhh... (Static) Gennai: UH-OH, I'M OUT OF QUARTERS, GOTTA GO!!! Tai: WAIT!!! GENNAI, COME BACK!!!
Reliable as ever. XD The dub's handling of Gennai's disconnection is beautiful. Useless jiji strikes again. They put their first commercial break right here on this punchline and we return to Gennai disconnecting, take two.
Gennai: Next time I'll use a phone card, I promise! SEE YA!!! Tai: (despondent) GEEEEENNAAAAAAAAAAI!!! Oh great, how does he expect us to fight this thing if we don't even know what we're looking for!? Joe: Just my luck. The second I start enjoying my vacation, another monster tries to destroy the world. Izzy: Sorry, guys, but something tells me this isn't going to be like any other Digimon we've ever run into. Matt: Yeah? So what? The first DigiDestined kids were able to defeat something like this. Well then, so will we. Sora: Matt's right! We'll just have to find a way to do it.
"Something tells me". Was it Gennai's infodump, Izzy? Was that what told you?
Here we see the confusion over how many Wall of Fire creatures there are again. This one's less understandable. Yamato calls it, in no uncertain terms, 同じデジモン onaji Dejimon. "The same Digimon". Not another one; It is the same. Matt's description gets more wishy-washy, calling the O-5's enemy "something like this".
Suddenly, the children hear a strange groaning coming from every direction at once.
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Hikari: (freaked) Whose voice is that...? Mimi: (whispers) It's creepy.... Angewomon: I can hear it coming from everywhere! Taichi: It's... It's saying something! Voice: That's right. Are our regrets to go unanswered? Sora: Regrets? Jou: Who's there!?
A giant dodecahedron appears to answer Jou's question.
Koushiro: Is this the Digimon that came through the Wall of Fire?
Yes. And no. This is about to get complicated.
As important sound effects go, the dub lands this one. They remember to include the groaning, though the kids aren't nearly as bugged by it.
Kari: What's that noise? Mimi: Sounds like a moose! Angewomon: Sounds to me like it's coming from every direction! Tai: Me too! But what does it mean!? Voice: I know who you are! You don't have the power to eliminate my sadness! Sora: Huh? Joe: Who's there!? (Dodecahedron appears) Izzy: I'll bet this has something to do with that Digimon Gennai was talking about! Tai: Either that or it's a giant cube puzzle!
I'm guessing it's a d12. The Wall of Fire creature is going to be our DM in a giant game of Dungeons and Dramons. Joke's on him, we have WarGreymon.
Already we're beginning to see the tonal difference between versions of this creature but more on that later. For now, the dodecahedron unfurls.
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Aside from the top and bottom faces, all ten of the dodecahedron's other faces unfurl into podiums which release colossal metal claws. The bottom face unfurls into a spike, while the top unfurls into a podium with no claw. Instead, a cloaked figure emerges from there, revealing itself to be a humanoid creature organically connected to the rest of the structure - with blue and red pipes pumping into its gut and another black pipe pumping into its back.
Its chains are made from strands of DNA. So that gives an early hint as to where this is going.
Yamato: (stunned) What is that thing...?
The narrator chimes in to answer Yamato's question 'cause it's time for the rundown. That... is not any Digimon we've ever seen before.
Apocalymon is a Digimon in the sense that it began being included in V-Pets and Digimon games and stuff following the debut of this episode. Because of course it did.
But it's one of the few creatures in the franchise to exist beyond the Ultimate stage. As previously discussed, it didn't hatch out of a Digitama and grow up but instead entered the Digital World fully-formed from an unknown space beyond reality through an impassible barrier. Consequently, it doesn't have any evolutionary path to it. It's not from here.
Games it appears in usually give it things like "Jogress Piemon, Mugendramon, Pinocchimon, and MetalSeadramon together to create Apocalymon" or something like that. It's just there because it's the guy from the Adventure anime and it would be cool if you could have the guy from the Adventure anime.
It doesn't have a type, it doesn't have an attribute, and its level is listed as "Ultimate" purely for lack of a word to describe it.
Narrator: A mysterious Digimon whose true nature is shrouded in darkness. No, it can't even be determined if this creature is a Digimon. It can reduce all things to nothingness with its Darkness Zone.
It is to Digimon what Gozer the Gozerian is to ghosts. Even the narrator doesn't fucking know what this is, initially calling it a Digimon and then catching himself and backpedaling.
(Though an interesting detail about Apocalymon is that it has features reminiscent of some of the Nightmare Soldiers nonetheless. It's cloak gives Vamdemon vibes. Meanwhile, its coloration and overlong arms ending in sharp red claws are reminiscent of Devimon's arms and that one freakish claw that LadyDevimon has.
So it may be part of the Nightmare Soldiers lineage after all. Or, alternatively, drawing power from the reality distortions created by Apocalymon may have ironically caused Digimon to evolve in ways that resemble it. LadyDevimon in particular certainly doesn't look like that claw is supposed to be there.)
While it has no lines in this part of the original, the dub gives us more of its dub personality. As the camera lingers on the blue and red pipes coming out of its front, it quips:
Apocalymon: I am the ultimate evil, complete with hot and cold running water! Matt: What on Earth is that thing? Apocalymon: (rundown) I am Apocalymon, a mutant Digimon. My Darkness Zone attack transforms my enemy to nothingness. I have the power to turn everything I touch into total darkness.
A lot more verbose. Dub Apocalymon is just, like, a guy. A really evil guy. Completely stepping over the ambiguity of his true nature in the original, he comes right out and explains that he's a mutant Digimon. That's all. Nothing to see here. Just a big bad evil guy we need to punch.
Unfortunately, the final dissolution of reality that dumped the Chosen Children into this void isn't just happening on Spiral Mountain. In the human world, four sets of terrified parents, one single mother, and a brother all watch helplessly as the void appears in their sky.
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Yuuko (Taichi's Mom): What... is that...?
Then, in the void, the eight Children appear with their Partners. All of the parents gasp in shock. In an easy to miss move, Yamato and Takeru's mom Natsuko suddenly grabs onto the arm of their dad Hiroaki for support. The other two couples clinging to each other had already been doing that before the kids showed up in the void.
Toshiko (Sora's Mom): (worried) Sora! Mimi's Parents: (worried) Mimi-chan!
In the dub, Apocalymon keeps talking, carrying on from his self-rundown about his Darkness Zone reducing all things to darkness. Which the parents, apparently, can hear?
Apocalymon: Perhaps I will start with Earth. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Susumu (Tai's Dad): I'd better get a new flashlight. But what about.... Yuuko: The... KIDS...! (The kids appear, as if on cue. Parents gasp.) Toshiko: (worried) Sora! Mimi's Parents: (worried) Our Mimi!
Susumu is having what we would call a himbo moment right now. Yuuko's line read gets messed up from having a line whose partition doesn't line up well with where the lip flaps need the break in the line to go.
Probably should have stuck with the original line for her, which divides very well at that spot in both Japanese and English. You can't go wrong with a half-whispered utterance of terrified uncertainty.
Back in the void, Apocalymon finally speaks directly to the Children.
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Apocalymon: Hahahahaha... Do you find me ugly? It's true, isn't it? You all must have been thinking it. After all, we are the ones whose evolutionary course was blocked. Koushiro: The evolutionary process? Apocalymon: Digimon have continued to evolve again and again over the years. Did you know that some of them disappeared? Koushiro: It's inevitable that some species will disappear during the evolutionary process. If they aren't able to adapt to their environment-- Apocalymon: SILENCE!!! Children: (collective gasp) Apocalymon: (furious) "Inevitable". You think that one word can settle this matter!? Yamato: What do you mean by that? Apocalymon: (sarcastic) Does Your Highness deem us unworthy to survive? Koushiro: (backtracking) No, I wouldn't-- Apocalymon: Yes, we are the accumulated sorrow, bitterness, and regret from all those Digimon who vanished during the evolutionary process! Sora: You're the collection of all the dark hearts from the DIgimon who disappeared?
Some interesting linguistic notes. While they do use a couple of singular first-person pronouns, Apocalymon predominately refers to themselves by the plural first-person pronoun 我々 wareware. This is due to the true nature they reveal in this conversation: They are a gestalt entity formed of many beings.
They're also surprisingly emotional. They get suddenly triggered by Koushiro's use of the phrase 仕方がない Shikataganai, which means... It can't be helped. It's inevitable. This is just the way it is. Nothing we can do about it.
Poor socially awkward Koushiro was just answering the question academically without realizing he was verbally slapping Apocalymon right in their goddamn gestalt face.
Which is why Apocalymon responds aggressively with the second-person pronoun 貴様 kisama. This is on paper a very respectful term from samurai days of old used to address one's superior but has had its meaning corrupted through sarcastic and ironic usage. It's the equivalent of saying, "Oh, yes, your highness. Right away, your worshipfulness."
When Apocalymon uses it here, they're being salty and accusing Koushiro of looking down on them. They're, shall we say, a little bit bitter. Just a smidge. You might not have noticed!
In the dub:
Apocalymon: Hahahahahaha! Are you repulsed by my appearance? Don't be afraid to hurt my feelings; They're already hurt! Hahahaha... You see, I was created from all that was lost during the Digivolving process. Izzy: What do you mean by 'lost'? Apocalymon: Digimon have been Digivolving for many years now, over and over again. But there were some who weren't up to the challenge and simply disappeared. Izzy: That makes sense. Even on Earth, some species became extinct during the process of evolution. In fact, the Tasmanian tiger wolf was one of those-- Apocalymon: SILENCE!!! Children: (collective gasp) Apocalymon: Who's the one telling this story, anyway? Me or you? Matt: (snide) Alright, go ahead. Apocalymon: First, I have a question to ask. Do you believe that I am worthy of coexisting with you? Izzy: Uhh, well... Yeah, sure! Apocalymon: Oh, really? Even though I was forged from the pain and misery of all the ill-fated Digimon who vanished while attempting to Digivolve? Sora: You're entirely made up of grief and sorrow? How sad for you. Apocalymon: Sure, rub it in.
There's no verbal misstep in this version; Apocalymon just cuts Izzy off before he can start infodumping.
He also sticks with first-person singular pronouns here. In general, he's much more composed than his Japanese counterpart. Rather than throwing out bitter accusations, he randomly asks, "Am I worthy to exist?" That Izzy struggles to answer the question reflects poorly on him, but we already know he's a dick.
The language here is a bit... confusing.
The language is already a bit confusing because Apocalymon seems to be talking about species lost to the evolutionary process, not Digimon randomly dying during a level-to-level evolution. At least, that's the impression I get. They and Koushiro reference 進化の過程 shinka no katei, the evolutionary process, rather than saying that Digimon suddenly drop dead during 進化 shinka.
This makes Izzy's reference to the Tasmanian tiger wolf rather apt. Which, by the way, is also known as the thylacine, and is colloquially known as the Tasmanian tiger or the Tasmanian wolf. So far as I know, nobody calls it a "tiger wolf" but I might be wrong. Either Izzy's mouthing off again or he's actually got the better of me on this one.
The dub's been swapping out "evolve" for "Digivolve" for so long that they forge right ahead here and say "Digivolving process", the unique fantasy mechanism by which Greymon becomes MetalGreymon.
So while there's some uncertainty as to what they're talking about in the original, the dub clearly asserts that sometimes Digimon spontaneously drop dead while Digivolving. Those individuals' resentment, rather than the resentment of entire species lost to history, is what makes up Apocalymon.
Which... might also be how it's meant to be taken in the original too. It's a little confusing. To my knowledge, individual Digimon spontaneously ceasing to exist during an evolution isn't a thing that can happen but... IDK.
Now that their identity is explained, Apocalymon continues.
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Apocalymon: The Chosen Children and their Digimon... We've been looking forward to meeting all of you. WarGreymon: (quietly) What...? MetalGarurumon: What do you mean by that!? Apocalymon: Listen! While we lay buried in a cold and sorrowful darkness, you were on the other side enjoying yourselves and laughing happily in the warm light. WHY!?!?
Furious, Apocalymon attacks. A burst of electricity fires out from their dodecahedron, which hits all eight children and their Digimon.
Once the shocks have passed, Taichi calls out to the team.
Taichi: Is everyone okay!? Yamato: Yeah, I'm managing. Koushiro: Yes. Sora: We're okay, Taichi.
I'm beginning to get the impression that Apocalymon is not emotionally stable.
An interesting note is that we generally don't get an explanation for why light is good and darkness is bad in media that use those things. It's considered self-evident. But in this speech, Apocalymon actually explains why the forces of darkness are forces of darkness.
Because the forces of darkness are drawing their power from them, Apocalymon, whose component entities are species banished from the light of existence, whose spirits live on only in this void.
In the dub:
Apocalymon: And now, DigiDestined and Digimon, I have been waiting an eternity for this encounter. WarGreymon: What!? MetalGarurumon: What do you mean!? Apocalymon: As I sat alone in the cold, miserable darkness of my world, I watched all of you on the other side laughing and having fun in the light! Well, now it's my turn... TO SHINE!!! (Apocalymon hits them all with a sudden electric burst) Tai: Is everybody okay? Matt: I think so. Izzy: Yeah. Sora: I'm okay, Tai. Apocalymon: Not for long.
Basically the same, but Apocalymon again doesn't sound as aggrieved as his Japanese counterpart, who is basically frothing at the mouth with jealous fury.
Speaking of which, shit's about to get gross.
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Apocalymon: WHAT DID WE DO WRONG!?!?
Apocalymon proceeds to self-harm, digging their own claws into their shoulders and wrenching open their flesh. The blood and underlying gore is painted green to reduce the ick factor but. Uh. Ick.
Apocalymon: Why should you get to laugh when we have to cry!? Mimi: (shrieks and covers her eyes) NO!!! I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS!!! Apocalymon: Even those such as us have tears and emotions!
They suddenly wrench their claws back out of their shoulders.
Apocalymon: WHAT RIGHT DID THEY HAVE TO TAKE AWAY OUR LIVES AND BANISH US FROM THIS WORLD!?!?
I think Mimi's face says it all. Jesus.
This section, which is so gruesome that a 10-year-old in-universe screams "I don't want to see this," gets one big NOPE stamp from Fox Kids.
Apocalymon continues.
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Apocalymon: We wanted to live. To survive and talk about friendship, justice, and love!
Apocalymon curls into themself and stabs their claws back into their shoulder wounds, with a spurt of green blood from both sides. Reaction shots of the children show that Sora, too, is averting her gaze from the gruesome sight while Jou, Takeru, and Hikari watch in horror.
Apocalymon: We wanted this body to be useful to the world! Are you saying this world has no need for us? That we're meaningless!?
(Apocalymon is the voice of my entire generation and I was not prepared for that. The kids better do something quick 'cause I'm starting to root for the Failure Amalgam.)
A close-up of Apocalymon's bleeding shoulders (I guess they pulled their claws out again) shows the bloody wounds closing themselves back up and disappearing from their body.
Koushiro: They have the ability to self-regenerate! Apocalymon: We will take control of this world. We'll establish a place for ourselves here. Anything that gets in our way will disappear! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! A CURSE ON EVERY PLACE THE LIGHT TOUCHES!!!
The dub continues scrubbing shots with all this ick in them. They do, however, use one shot of Apocalymon with the visible claw marks in his shoulders. What those are goes unexplained.
Apocalymon: Do you think it's fair that I should have to live with all this agony!? Why should you get to laugh when I am forced to cry?
The reaction shots from the kids, including Sora averting her gaze, are kept in. Though it's not clear what Sora's so freaked out and unwilling to look at.
Apocalymon: Why do you get to taste the best life has to offer while all I do is choke on its leftovers!? Answer me this! WHY DO ALL OF YOU GET THE PIZZA!?!? WHY DO I GET THE CRUST!?!?
Then we finally get Mimi's reaction.
Mimi: (shrieks and covers her eyes) Oh, I can't take all these metaphors!
Before finally rejoining the original scene order with Izzy, who is no longer commenting on the regeneration because all shots of the gore were cut out.
Izzy: Boy, this guy really holds a grudge. Apocalymon: I will rule the world and plunge it into darkness so that I don't have to be alone anymore in my misery! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Wait a minute, what am I laughing at? I'm supposed to be depressed!
It's been the case multiple times throughout the series that the dub is written as if they were doing an Abridged Parody for YouTube, and Apocalymon tops that chart.
"Why do you get the pizza and I get the crust?" is pretty out-there. They are absolutely making fun of the original through this script. Literally a bit that happens between TFS Goku and TFS Frieza.
Nonetheless, "I will plunge the world into darkness so I don't have to be alone in my misery" hits the nail on the head. That is what Apocalymon wants. They aren't trying to build themselves up. They don't want to come out into the light. This isn't an act of hope.
It's despair. They're mad at the other species who outcompeted them evolutionarily, and they want everyone to have to suffer the way they've suffered. They want to punish the world for leaving them behind, rather than to improve their own circumstances by being accepted into it.
If this were a consequence of man-made forces, Apocalymon would be a complicated and sympathetic figure. If Captain Planet started dropping billionaires from skyscrapers to thwart the impending climate apocalypse, I think a lot of us would be okay with that. It'd be a conversation, at the very least.
However, "Should we let Revenge of the Mastodon tear the fabric of reality in half out of spite?" is a bit more cut-and-dry. Dude literally just said he wants to curse everything the light touches. There is no nuance to be had here. I'm sorry your species couldn't handle the Ice Age or whatever but you don't get to take it out on the ones that did.
Once again, worked up into a frenzy, Apocalymon attacks.
Apocalymon: ULTIMATE STREAM!!!
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One of Apocalymon's DNA claws morphs into the head of MetalSeadramon, then fires Ultimate Stream from his emitter straight at Hikari.
Taichi: HIKARI!!!
Angewomon throws herself at Hikari, wrapping the girl up in her arms while taking Ultimate Stream straight to the back.
Angewomon: AUGH!!! Hikari: ANGEWOMON!!! Apocalymon: Kindhearted children, that was a sign of our friendship. The next is LOVE!!! BLOODY STREAM!!!
A DNA claw morphs into Vamdemon, swinging his Bloody Stream whip at Mimi. It's Lilimon's turn to block, taking Vamdemon's lash.
Lilimon: MIMI--AHHHHHHH!!! Apocalymon: JUSTICE!!! MUGEN CANNON!!!
Mugendramon's Mugen Cannon is going for Sora. Garudamon claps her hands around Sora and takes that one to the back.
Garudamon: Sora! AUGH!!!
Kinda sexist that you're only shooting at the girls, my composite dude/tte.
In the dub:
Apocalymon: RIVER OF POWER!!! (Apocalymon shoots at Kari) Tai: KARI!!! Kari: AHHHH!!! Angewomon: (takes the hit for her) AUGH!!! Kari: AHHHH ANGEWOMON NO!!! Apocalymon: That was MetalSeadramon with his classic River of Power. And now here's Myotismon with his #1 hit, CRIMSON LIGHTNING!!! (Apocalymon shoots at Mimi) Mimi: AHHHHH!!! Lilimon: (takes the hit for her) AHHHH!!! Apocalymon: Next, Machinedramon! GIGA CANNON!!! (Apocalymon shoots at Sora) Sora: WHAAA!!! Garudamon: SORA!!! (takes the hit for her) AUGH!!!
The only point of note is Dub Apocalymon DJing the attacks he's firing.
So, yeah, that's a hell of a thing. Koushiro assesses what's happening here.
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Koushiro: Could it be... Are they able to use all of the techniques from every Digimon up to this point? Jou: Then... isn't this like fighting every single one of those Digimon at once? Sora: So does that mean there's no chance of winning? Taichi: Guys! Don't let them freak you out. Get back in positions! Takeru: We just need to stay together! Hikaru: (nods) Mhm! Yamato: That's right! There's no going back from here.
This Final Fantasy-style final boss fight against a primordial concept that's been secretly powering all the villains we've faced to this point is shaping up to be a hell of a thing. But the children steel themselves for it nonetheless. There's nothing else they can do.
In the dub:
Izzy: Inconceivable! He's using all the attacks of the evil Digimon we've defeated in the past! Joe: You mean we have to fight them all over again? This is the worst recurring nightmare I've ever been awake for! Sora: Hey, we were able to beat them once! Tai: Sora's right! We did beat them! And we can do it again! T.K.: We just have to fight together as a team! Kari: (nods) Mhm! Matt: I agree. We've sacrificed too much to give up now.
Izzy deduces only that Apocalymon has the attacks of the "evil Digimon we defeated", and not every Digimon. In his defense, that is just as valid of a conclusion to draw from the evidence shown.
Joe still freaks out, but the lowered challenge level does seem to make Sora a lot more confident than her Japanese counterpart is about facing this threat.
I appreciate Matt bringing up the sacrifices they've made. The road to this point is paved in corpses, both friend and enemy alike.
Unfortunately, as the children prepare themselves to fight, Apocalymon takes it as an invitation to ramp it up.
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Apocalymon: You haven't even seen how terrifying I can truly be. DEATH EVOLUTION!!!
Rare singular pronoun from Apocalymon there.
At once, Apocalymon sends all of their claws forward, snatching each and every one of the Partner Digimon. This goes uneventfully for most, though Lilimon does have to shove Mimi away so she doesn't get caught in the claw too.
Mimi: LILIMON!!!
Once all of the Digimon are in Apocalymon's grasp, they address the crowd once more.
Apocalymon: I'll make you understand how we felt, as we vanished from the evolutionary process.
Within the grip of Apocalymon's claws, the eight Partner Digimon glow brightly. Then their light fades and the claws retract, leaving the eight of them reduced to their base stages.
(Oh, so that's where the power behind Etemon's Love Serenade came from.)
Yamato: No way.... Takeru: Everyone changed back...? Patamon: Takeru, I'm sorry. Takeru: There's nothing to apologize for, Patamon. Hikari: But we can't win like this! Tailmon: Don't give up! Gabumon: It's fine. We can still fight like this! Tentomon: All we have to do is evolve again. Jou: That's right! Evolve again, everyone! Gomamon: We're on it! Palmon: I am a little hungry, though.... Agumon: That's fine. Just get fired up! Gabumon: (to the children) We're counting on all of you!
We have a plan of attack. Having the team's evolutions stripped away sucks, but there's nothing stopping them from re-evolving and getting back to business.
In the dub:
Apocalymon: You fools! You haven't even seen my true power yet! REVERSE DIGIVOLVE!!! (Claws grab everyone. Lillymon shoves Mimi away.) Mimi: LILLYMON!!! Apocalymon: I'll make you understand how it feels to be one step closer to extinction! (Apocalymon regresses all of the Digimon) Matt: They're Rookies! T.K.: He changed them back so easily! Patamon: I'm sorry, T.K.! T.K.: It's not your fault, Patamon; It's him! Kari: Great. This time, we're finished. Gatomon: You'd better leave that 'tude, Kari! Gabumon: Just because we're at the Rookie level doesn't mean we still can't fight. Tentomon: We'd Digivolve if we had the energy. Joe: That's it! Start from scratch! You can Digivolve again! Gomamon: We'd have to eat something. Palmon: Come to think of it, I am kinda hungry. Agumon: Forget food! We have the power within us! Gabumon: (to the children) But we need your help!
Palmon and Agumon's cute little exchange is turned into a full-blown problem that all of the Rookie Digimon need to overcome. But nonetheless resolved as easily, with some gumption and can-do spirit.
"I'll make you understand how it feels to be one step away from extinction" is a raw line. I love it.
The children go for their Digivices--
Apocalymon: DEATH CLAW!!!
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One of Apocalymon's claws morphs into four pairs of Devimon hands. They extend, snatching the children's Crests away from them. Within the grip of Apocalymon's Death Claws, the Crests and their Tags shatter into dust.
The Chosen Children watch helplessly as their Crests are destroyed utterly.
Taichi: THE CRESTS!!! Takeru: They broke! Sora: Now we can't make them evolve! Apocalymon: I see you're beginning to realize the despair we felt from being unable to evolve! Jou: Oh my god, they broke the Crests! Mimi: If we can't evolve then how are we supposed to win this fight!?
Mimi's question is left hanging in the air as we go to our commercial break.
In the dub, Tai queues us up for what's about to happen.
Tai: Everybody, get your Crests ready! Apocalymon: DEATH CLAW!!! (Apocalymon destroys the Crests and Tags) Tai: Ah! Our Crests and Tags! T.K.: He broke them all! Sora: They won't be able to Digivolve without them! Apocalymon: I hope you learned your lesson: Always save your receipts! The warranty was probably still good on those things. Joe: Isn't this usually the time when one of us comes up with a brilliant idea? Mimi: I don't think anything can save us this time, Joe! I'm afraid we're done for!
The dub forgot that they renamed Death Claw to Touch of Evil. ...wait, why was this "death" okay but Death Evolution wasn't? Is it because it had the world "evolution" in it? Was that the naughty word?
In any case, the dub agrees that this is a good spot for the second commercial.
Following the commercial, we return to the Chosen Children freaking the fuck out. The conversation picks right up where it left off, replaying Mimi's line.
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Mimi: If we can't evolve then how are we supposed to win this fight!? Koushiro: It's impossible! No matter how hard they try, Child-stage Digimon cannot defeat an enemy with the combined power of all the strongest Digimon we've ever faced! Taichi: I won't accept that! There must still be a way to win this! Yamato: How did the previous Chosen Children defeat this enemy!?
Koushiro's done the math and hahahaHAHA no, these circumstances are not winnable. Not by a long shot. We are up shit creek without a paddle here. Though Yamato raises a good counterpoint.
In the dub:
Mimi: How can we fight Apocalymon without Digivolving!? Izzy: There's no way! All the Rookie Digimon combined couldn't beat an enemy who has the power of all the evil Digimon from the past! Tai: How can you be so sure!? There's got to be a way somehow! Matt: How did the original DigiDestined kids defeat this enemy?
Basically, the same, except Mimi addresses Apocalymon by name.
In the original, they're just calling Apocalymon "the enemy". Possibly because they might not even know that the enemy is called Apocalymon. That rundown was for our eyes only; Apocalymon might not even be in the in-universe Digimon Analyzer, and even if they are, Koushiro hasn't analyzed them.
Fortunately for the dub kids, Apocalymon's rundown there was diegetic so he's formally introduced himself. Mimi can use his name. No problems there.
Sadly, we are out of time for figuring out how to fight. Apocalymon's ready to end this.
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Apocalymon: (chanting) Runani tade wa chita-emao! Runani tade wa chita-emao!
ルナーニタデーハチタエマーオー
By themselves, these noises are gibberish. However, that's because they're doing a backwards-talk spell incantation.
if you spell their words backwards (and with hiragana and kanji, which mean things), you get "お前たちはデータになる Omae-tachi wa deta ninaru." Or, "You all become data. You all become data."
Jou is the first to realize what's happening and start screaming. This grabs Sora's attention, who whips around to see Jou pixelizing before realizing it's happening to her too.
The bodies of all eight children are being broken down, reduced to data as the spell suggested.
Yamato: (alarmed) This is-- Koushiro: It's really bad! Our bodies are being broken down into digital data! Taichi: What did you say!?
The Digimon, too, are breaking down.
Piyomon: Then we.... Gabumon: ...we.... Agumon: ...WHAT'S HAPPENING TO US!?!?
There's nothing anyone can do but scream until they no longer have mouths to scream with. Then they're gone. All sixteen.
Now, in the U.S., we kinda had a big hubbub in the late 20th century about "Satan is sending messages to your children through backwards-talk on records!". So that's not happening. Apocalymon instead intones a rhyme to cast his spell.
Apocalymon: I'll take these children and use their fear / to make them digital and disappear! Ahahahahahaha! (The kids notice they're disintegrating) Matt: What's this!? Izzy: Fascinating. Our bodies are being broken down into little bits of digital information. Tai: FASCINATING!?!? Biyomon: Let's stay calm, everyone! Don't fall to pieces. Agumon: (jokey) Too late!
Tai and Matt are the only ones appropriately horrified by this. The Digimon are quipping and Izzy's downright intrigued.
The "fascinating" gag is pretty funny, though. That got me. XD
We find the children in a white void that is probably a hyperbolic visual representation of what's happening to them? IDK.
They fade in and out of existence whenever they speak. Except, briefly, Koushiro who has more to say. Naturally, the children begin to panic.
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Taichi: Where are we!? Koushiro: The world of data. We've all been broken down into data. Mimi: Broken down!? Can't we go back to normal!? Koushiro: I don't know. Jou: What will happen to us if we can't turn back!? Hikari: Is this the end? Sora: I don't know! This is the first time this has ever happened to me. What do we do!? Taichi: ...did we lose? Yamato: Is it all over?
Sora, I'm pretty sure this is a universal first for, like, humanity. XD
Felt, though.
In the dub:
Tai: Ah! Where are we!? Izzy: We're information now. This is where all information gathers. It's the world of data! Mimi: Data!? I'm too young to be dating! Izzy: It's not the same. Joe: Sometimes too much information's a bad thing. Kari: Can we get back? Sora: I don't know, Kari. Nothing like this has ever happened to us before. I don't know what to do. Tai: Is this it? Have we lost? Matt: I'd say that's a pretty good conclusion.
About the same, but with less panic and more quipping.
But despite everything, the Digimon refuse to give up and let this be the end.
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Agumon: Don't lose your nerve now! Taichi: Agumon? Gabumon: I'll fight to the bitter end. So don't give up hope! Piyomon: That's right! There were many times up to now when I thought it was over, but we always fought through it together! Sora: Sure, but we've been broken down into data! We don't even know if we'll be able to return to human form, let alone defeat our enemy! Jou: Even if we could make it back, they can't evolve without our Crests! Koushiro: This has never happened before. How is anyone supposed to handle being broken down into data!? NOBODY KNOWS!!! Tentomon: Tell me, Koushiro-han, In all the battles you've fought up to this point, did you always know how you were going to win? Koushiro: Eh? Gabumon: Right! There's a lot of 'firsts' on an adventure!
The Digimon have a point. This entire adventure has involved setting foot where no human has only five other humans have ever tread. Remember that time we made a cave into a wormhole between Etemon's pyramid and a random patch of desert miles away? Good times.
In the dub:
Agumon: Come on, you guys! Don't quit now! Tai: (resigned) Why not? Gabumon: Look, we can't stop fighting now just because of a little setback! Biyomon: So what if we're bits of information, we have no Tags and Crests, we can't Digivolve, and we're facing the most powerful enemy of all time. I don't see what the problem is. Sora: Listen, Biyomon. You guys have a great attitude about this whole thing, but all the positive thinking in the world can't guarantee that we'll find a way to get back to our original forms. Joe: I tried positive thinking once and I was positive about one thing: I positively hated it! Izzy: (excited) Speaking scientifically, we're the first humans to be digitally processed! Technically, we're pioneers! Like Marco Polo! Tentomon: Oh, I know what he's famous for! Marco! Agumon: Polo! Tentomon: Marco! Gatomon: Polo! Tentomon: Marco! Biyomon: Polo! Izzy: ...huh? Gabumon: In every battle, you're bound to face a number of unknowns.
Up until Gabumon's last line, the vibe on the Digimon talk is totally different here. Rather than inspirational and unyielding, the Digimon are presented as dim-witted rubes, utterly failing to grasp the severity of the situation.
Though the kids don't seem to grasp it either, as they're still delivering laugh lines. Izzy is downright thrilled to have been wiped from existence, and also queues up Tentomon for a wacky skit.
Finally, the Digimon break through. Jou-senpai is the first to come around.
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Gomamon: We never knew what to do in situations like this! Jou: Jou're right! All those times....
Jou flashes back on meeting Pukamon for the first time, way back when they arrived on File Island and being attacked by Kuwagamon.
Jou: I didn't know anything about this Digimon World. It was just one thing after another that nearly made my heart stop! Gomamon: But because of you and your nakama, we were able to push through together. Jou: Yeah.... At first, I just wanted to escape this place as soon as possible....
A gentle, somber remix of the series OP Butterfly picks up.
Jou's memories turn to the Tokyo Bay, fishing Takeru out and saving him from nearly drowning when they were attacked by MegaSeadramon. Very nearly sacrificing his own life for Takeru's, and activating his Crest of Sincerity/Responsibility.
Jou: But it's because of all this that I could have experiences I never would have learned about from studying for my entrance exams. Mimi: There was a lot of gross stuff and things that made me cry. Palmon: But are you glad we became friends? Mimi: Yeah. I think meeting all of you has made me stronger.
Mimi, for her part, flashes back on the battle at Big Sight convention center when her Crest activated. She has nothing further to say as the memory plays out, with only Butterfly playing in the background.
In the dub:
Gomamon: Yeah, you didn't know how those other fights would turn out but you fought them anyway, didn't you? Joe: Yeah, that's right. We did fight! (File Island flashback) Joe: When I first got to the Digital World, I was afraid of any little thing that moved! We faced all kinds of new monsters. Gomamon: But no matter who they threw at us, we always found the strength to beat the enemy! Regardless of how big it was. Didn't we, Joe? Joe: That's right! We did! We worked together as a team. (Flashback to Joe's Crest activation) Joe: Even that time when we almost lost T.K. because he couldn't swim. Of course... (sheepishly) I forgot that I couldn't swim either... Mimi: I remember times when all I wanted to do was break down and cry. Palmon: But instead, you fought on with your new friends! Mimi: Mhm! I feel like I've become a stronger person since I met all of you! (Flashback to Mimi's Crest activation) Mimi: Like that time at the convention center when all those Bakemon were attacking. I didn't cry a single drop! ...alright, maybe just one drop.
And so we draw near the conclusion of this series the way we began it: rewriting the characters to strip out their emotional sincerity and emphasize how fierce and raring to fight they are.
Mimi's speech is pretty close to the original, but Joe's sucks. Joe's speech completely sucks. The heart has been completely torn out of it, replaced with "Yeah we kicked so much ass my dude" and a laugh line that turns Joe's sacrifice into a "Whoops, my bad!"
Moving right along, Takeru is next.
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Patamon: Before I met Takeru, I thought I didn't need to evolve. But....
Nope, sorry, Patamon first.
Patamon flashes back on his first evolution into Angemon, way back when. The battle with Devimon on File Island.
In the process finally and unambiguously confirming that Patamon does, in fact, retain memories from his past life. The dub staked that position as early as the Pagumon village so that's a cookie for them that's been a long time coming.
Even if you assume the Devimon flashback is Takeru's, Patamon even being able to reference a time "before I met Takeru" is itself proof that he remembers his past life.
For his turn, Takeru takes HolyAngemon's evolution in the battle against Piemon.
Takeru: Me too. Because I met you, Patamon, I feel like I've learned how important it is to fight.
Sora's turn.
Piyomon: Sora, you were always so thoughtful. Sora: (smiling) Piyomon.... Piyomon: That's why everybody adores you so much!
Sora's flashback is the debut of Garudamon, when she let Piyomon fight Vamdemon despite fearing for her safety.
In the dub, they continue talking over the flashbacks and making jokes.
Patamon: Before I met you, T.K., I didn't think it mattered if I ever DIgivolved or not. (Flashback) Patamon: But when Devimon went to grab you and got me, I knew it was my time to shine! I became Angemon for the first time and I've been flying high ever since! T.K.: I learned something from you too, Patamon. (Flashback) T.K.: I learned that sometimes you have to fight for what you believe in! Biyomon: I want you to know that you've changed my life in many ways too, Sora. Sora: Really? Biyomon: Of course you have! After all, I've never had a best friend before! (Flashback) Biyomon: I would do anything for you! Like that time I took Myotismon's Crimson Lightning attack right in the chest! Talk about heartburn!
Patamon's recollection of events is leaving out some, uh, significant things that happened to him between then and now.
T.K.'s bit is pretty much verbatim.
Awkward joke aside, the main difference between versions for Biyomon is that she keeps it narrowly focused on herself and Sora. Piyomon said that everyone loves Sora while Biyomon focuses on her own personal feelings for Sora.
Next up: Koushiro.
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Tentomon: Koushiro-han. I learned a lot by being with you. Though it did upset me sometimes when you couldn't look past your computer. Koushiro: Tentomon.... Tentomon: But that's just another part of you that I like.
Koushiro's Crest flashback is a little different, as we don't get to see his Crest shine. We only see Vademon pummeling Kabuterimon with asteroids and Koushiro looking concerned, and then the opening bit of AtlurKabuterimon's stock animation for his evolution sequence.
Gabumon: Yamato.... Yamato: You don't have to say anything. I already know.
Yamato's like, "My dude, we did not spend a whole episode in that cave just to have beef now."
He's ahead of the curve. He already had his ultimate self-actualization into his final form. It's all-a y'all motherfuckers that need to catch up.
His flashback is, of course, Digitamamon's diner.
In the dub:
Tentomon: You know, Izzy, when I first met you, I thought you were just one of those computer geeks. But after I got to know you, I realized you are one of those computer geeks! And I'm glad you are! Because where would the rest of us be without you? Izzy: Thanks, pal. Tentomon: (sniff) I promised myself I wouldn't cry! (Flashback) Tentomon: Although I wanted to cry when I felt that asteroid belt tightening around my waist but you and I took care of Vademon together! Gabumon: As for you, Matt. Matt: You don't have to say anything. I know. (Flashback) Gabumon: There was that time when-- Matt: Yeah, that's right. I remember. Gabumon: And then you and I-- Matt: (annoyed) I know. Gabumon: Remember when we-- Matt: Didn't you hear me!? I said you don't have to say anything!
Poor Gabumon. Matt's trying to have his cool guy moment from the original but unfortunately Gabumon is contractually obligated to fill the silence of the flashback, so no dice.
Tentomon's speech here isn't great, but it's not awful either. Kinda mid. Though I will say that "I felt that asteroid belt tightening around my waist" is fantastic wordplay. Well punned.
There's only two children left. Onward to the Yagami siblings.
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Agumon: Hey, Taichi! When we're together, we're invincible, right? Taichi: You know it!
Yeah, okay, those two have been on the same wavelength since day one. They may be reckless idiots at times, but they've always been reckless idiots together.
Taichi's flashback is split, since his was the first Crest sequence and didn't happen as suddenly as the others. We first see his Crest activating when he braved the firewall in Etemon's pyramid, after having to come to terms with the reality that he can die for real here.
Then the other part: Rushing Etemon in the desert with his shining Crest held aloft, having learned from the Skull/MetalGreymon arc the true meaning of courage.
Tailmon: We can't let ourselves fall here. If we do, then what was my long search for Hikari even for? Hikari: Tailmon.... Tailmon: I waited so long for the day when I would meet you and protect you.
For her part, Hikari gets the death of Wizarmon and tearful activation of her Crest.
In the dub:
Agumon: You and I knew from the beginning that together we'd be an invincible team. Right, Tai? Tai: You got that right! (Flashback) Tai: Of course, I probably could have taken care of Etemon without you. But it was nice having you around. It did get me out of a few jams. Gatomon: We can't give up now! 'Cause if we do, what was the whole point of searching for Kari in the first place? Kari: Hehe, Gatomon! Gatomon: I've waited my whole life to meet you and find my purpose, and that is to protect you no matter what the cost. (Flashback) Gatomon: Whether that meant facing Myotismon's Grisly Wing attack or facing the reality of losing Wizardmon... You know that we'll always be there for you.
Gatomon and Kari's segment is pretty solid.
Tai seems allergic to emotional sincerity. However, his "I could have taken Etemon myself but YOU HELPED I GUESS" bit is pretty clearly just him ribbing his pal, and not an honestly held belief. So, in its own way, it's still an expression of the bond they share. Just, in a more macho American way.
The eight children bring it in together.
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Hikari: If I'd never met Tailmon.... Jou: If I hadn't come to the Digimon World.... Mimi: If I hadn't taken this journey with all of you.... Koushiro: We wouldn't have become who we are now. Yamato: That's right! It's because our Digimon were always with us.... Takeru: Because our nakama was always with us.... Sora: Because we learned the importance of helping each other.... Taichi: We could be ourselves!
In the dub:
Kari: Boy, if I had never met you, Gatomon.... Joe: And if I had never come to the Digital World.... Mimi: And if none of us became friends in the first place.... Izzy: Then we wouldn't have become the people that we are today. Matt: You're right! We never would have won all those battles without each other. T.K.: I feel like I've grown up a lot! Sora: I think we've all grown up in a lot of ways. Tai: I've grown up too! I'm a much better fighter now!
They stay on script up through Izzy and then lose the plot. Matt and Tai talk about how cool fighting is. T.K. and Sora just say "We grew up a lot" rather than talking about the specific ways this journey has shaped them and their group.
The dub ends this bit on "I'm a much better fighter now," which. Like. Okay. Sure. That's it. That's what this journey was about. It was about Tai learning how to punch things good.
From here, we return to the human world and the frightened parents who watched their children dissolve into nothingness.
BECAUSE BY THE WAY THEY WERE WATCHING THAT. THERAPY. THERAPY FOR YEARS. THERAPY FOR THE KIDS. THERAPY FOR THE PARENTS. THERAPY.
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The parents, too, refuse to give up hope.
Hiroaki (Yamato's Dad): Ganbare. (Keep going and persevere.) Shin (Jou's Brother): For the Earth. Toshiko (Sora's Mom): All of you are our pride. Masami (Koushiro's Dad): Ganbare.
From there, we move around the world to see this same distortion in the sky everywhere. People in the United States, in Italy, and in Russia gather without truly understanding what is happening to see the fate of reality decided.
In the dub:
Hiroaki: You can do it! Jim: Come on! For Earth! Toshiko: We're so proud of you, no matter what happens! Masami: Give it your all!
Solid. Hiroaki and Masami both say ganbare in the original but the dub translates them differently to avoid repetition.
After this short break to remind us what the stakes are, we return to data.
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Taichi: That's right! We can't let it end like this! Sora: We can't let our adventure go to waste! Yamato: For the Digimon we've met and our nakama and our friendship! Koushiro: And for everyone else we love, waiting for us on Earth! Mimi: We.... Yamato: We.... Takeru: All of us.... Jou: ...will never look back again! Hikari: We won't allow the light in our hearts to fade out!
With that declaration, the symbols from their Crests shine from their chests as if they were still wearing the things.
(They're divided along gender lines left to right but Koushiro's an honorary girl 'cause they don't have enough to make it four and four. XD)
Dry exposition can be difficult to absorb when you aren't poring over two different sets of it for differences, which is why I don't blame the children for being surprised here. However, it's worth noting that Homeostasis explained this to them already.
It's implicitly how Hikari's unexplained Glowy Form worked in the Mugendramon sub-arc. The Digivices and Crests are just tools to help manifest and control the light that's already within the children themselves.
In the dub:
Tai: I don't know about you, but I'm not ready to quit yet! Sora: I'm with you, Tai! I won't let this whole experience be for nothing! Matt: Me neither! There's no way I'm about to let my friends down. Izzy: And besides, there's still a lot of people counting on us down on Earth! Mimi: Let's find a way! Matt: Let's fight! T.K.: We're ready! Joe: We've reached the point where there's no turning back! Kari: Crests of no Crests, we're going to win!
Tai and Sora are on-script and Matt's pretty close. Things start veering off-course at Izzy with the subtle shift from "This is for the people we love" to "Lots of people are counting on us". That's not a super big deal, though.
It's Kari's line that's the major divergence. "The light in our hearts" is... kind of an important concept for understanding why their Crest lights suddenly start shining out of their chests. But Kari just gives a "Ra-ra Let's get 'em!"
However, the dub places their final commercial break here. They come back to another take on that last bit.
Mimi: Are we together? Matt: We are! T.K.: Then let's fight! Joe: It's gonna be pretty tough without our Crests. Kari: Crests!? We don't need no stinking Crests!
It's basically the same as the first take. No explanation is given for why Kari suddenly, confidently thinks they can beat Apocalymon without their Crests.
From here, it's time to unpack what these shining symbols mean.
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Agumon: The Crests! The symbols engraved on the Crests were actually your hearts! Team: (collective gasp) Taichi: Our... hearts...? Koushiro: Like the knowledge inside me and the sincerity inside Jou-san. As long as we carry these characteristics in our hearts, we don't need the Crests. Yamato: No, you're wrong. Koushiro: Eh!? Yamato: It isn't the friendship inside of me that's shining. All of your friendship is gathered inside me, and that's what made my Crest of Friendship glow! Taichi: One Crest for everyone and all Crests for one! Hikari: Then the light inside of me is for all of us!
Again, Homeostasis explained all this but I can't blame the children for not paying attention to twenty minutes of a history lecture. Homeostasis is not a very good teacher. Needs to work on improving their methods of engaging children in learning.
(Also, this is definitely what Piccolomon was talking about when he said they needed something more than just to make their Crests glow and be physically together.)
The dub takes its second crack at explaining. They fumbled the setup but at least they land the exposition.
Agumon: It's your Crests. You don't need to carry them anymore because their power has been inside of you this whole time! Tai: You mean, like... in our hearts!? Izzy: Prodigious! That makes perfect sense. It's like my knowledge and Joe's sense of responsibility. If your special traits are within you, then you don't need your Crest because your power will be within you as well! Matt: You're wrong! Izzy: Huh!? Matt: It wasn't the friendship inside me that made my Crest glow, Izzy. It was the friendship I felt from all of you gathered inside my heart and that brought the power of my Crest to life. Tai: So each person's Crest isn't powered by themselves. It's powered by the faith we have in each other! Kari: Then the light inside of me is for everyone!
Yeah, that about covers it. Good job, everyone.
Hikari's light erupts from her chest and Super-Evolves Angewomon. The other children quickly follow suit. The next like two straight minutes are the children reciting their Crests and playing their respective stock animations, which is fun to watch especially with Show Me Your Brave Heart blaring behind it but boring to talk about.
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Takeru: And everyone's hope is my hope! (HolyAngemon) Koushiro: Knowledge. (AtlurKabuterimon) Mimi: Purity. (Lilimon) Jou: Sincerity. (Zudomon) Sora: Love. (Garudamon) Yamato: Friendship. (MetalGarurumon) Taichi: Courage. (WarGreymon)
I'm not typing that again. It's exactly the same in the dub except Mimi and Joe call out different Crest virtues.
With the light of their hearts, the children are able to re-establish themselves and recompile their data back into reality, in Apocalymon's void.
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Apocalymon: What!? Taichi: WE WON'T LET YOU HAVE YOUR WAY!!!
We end here, with the Children powered up and ready for round 2 with Apocalymon. Some of whom, I'm sorry, look absolutely adorable in their Get Fierce poses. XD Jou, Mimi, Koushiro, and the two eight-year-olds really can't pull off the Let's Throw Down look.
In the dub, Izzy offers some narration in case what just happened was unclear.
Izzy: We did it! We reassembled ourselves! Apocalymon: What!? Tai: You're dealing with the new and improved DigiDestined! Narrator: You won't want to miss the final battle that decides the fate of two worlds. Tune in to the next Digimon: Digital Monsters.
Because the narrator pauses the animation to talk, we get to really linger on the combination Fierce Looks and Attempted Fierce Looks. XD
Assessment: So here we are. The true threat behind the veil of reality itself that's been creating the distortions in the Digital World. The Actually Truly Seriously For Realsies final boss. Until sequels happens.
With regard to the "Did Apocalymon create the villains or did they just draw power from Apocalymon?" question, it's not super clear. Gennai said only that Apocalymon is the root cause of their evil and that they drew power from the distortions Apocalymon made in reality.
But Apocalymon's ability to conjure up images of the villains and use their attacks makes the matter murky. It was said that Apocalymon can use the powers of every Digimon they've faced up to this point. But Apocalymon only uses the villains, so it's ambiguous whether that means "Every Digimon" or "All the villains we had to fight".
The dub stakes out "Apocalymon created them" pretty unambiguously. I can't say with certainty that they're wrong or right. I can say that if they were all in league with one another, they didn't act like it. Devimon and Etemon, in particular, seemed to be doing their own thing and had no sense of alliance with the other villains.
There's no indication that any of them even knew Apocalymon existed. Which doesn't necessarily mean Apocalymon couldn't have created them, but if they did, then the villains didn't seem to know that they did. IDK
In any case, whether it's reality or the children's journey, everything comes to an end next episode.
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Digimon Adventures + Digimon Adventure tri. ~ (AUTISTIC HEADCANON!) KOUSHIRO IZUMI Character Analysis (Japanese version) {see Part 2 of Autistic!/Neurodivergent!Koushiro canonical traits here}
+ INFODUMPING in various ways - about Interests, be they possible Special Interests and things he HIGHLY ENJOYS & infodumps about in an extremely INTENSE way {such as the Oolong Tea, and even Science & Knowledge in general} - about information / Team Analyzing & Strategy / Special Interest in KNOWLEDGE in general -- + Infodumping in both GOOD WAYS and BAD WAYS ... (also depending on the certain framings of both these scenes)
{ the following post will have tri references from Soushitsu [Movie 4] } { and also Kokuhaku [Movie 3] }
READ FURTHER: What is a Special Interest?
Special interests are (not named) literally a part of the diagnostic criteria for Autism. From the DSM-V directly: Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus Note: abnormal in intensity or focus that means that if “everyone” has special interests, they aren’t ‘abnormal’ in intensity or focus, because that’s everyone. In the examples, directly from the DSM-V, specifically referring to interests: excessively circumscribed or perseverative interests (circumscribed=restricted perseverative=repeat insistently/redundantly)
also from that post:
INFO DUMPING
Yes, people like to know things about interests. But autistics often can’t stop. We repeat ourselves about them, and because of the social aspects mentioned above,
we know people think we’re annoying.
But we can’t stop.
We store the information and when it comes up its like they’re kicking over the file cabinet.
DOES KOUSHIRO GENUINELY ENJOY HIS {SPECIAL?} INTERESTS?:
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“WHEN YOU’RE DOING RESEARCH,
OR LEARNING SOMETHING NEW,
YOU TRULY LOOK HAPPY
LIKE YOU’RE ENJOYING IT.”
- Tentomon in Kokuhaku {Confession}, Movie 3 with FULL memories of Koushiro
“I UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH YOU LOVE THIS.”
- Motimon in Soushitsu {Loss}, Movie 4 post-Reboot, at the time, SEEMINGLY NOT remembering Koushiro
And yet, the above scenes all together provide a DIFFERENT picture.
[And maybe a slightly smaller Relevant comparison moment BUT.....]
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{“HOW WAS I?”} - Adventure episode 28, the episode with the Gate to the Real World Motimon asking about his overall performance.
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{“I’M SORRY, AM I HEAVY?”}
... Motimon asking about his overall performance. + “am I inconveniencing you?” {basically}
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“...” Koushiro has a significant pause as he’s realizing.
“Koushiro-han?”
“...so WE STILL had A {BOND}...”
- the point of this comparison being
EVEN WHEN MOTIMON SEEMINGLY DOESN’T HAVE ALL MEMORIES, MOTIMON REMEMBERS THINGS ABOUT KOUSHIRO IZUMI, INCLUDING IMPORTANT, CONSTANTLY CEMENTED-IN-CANON TRAITS OF KOUSHIRO’S WIDER PERSONALITY
such as that
“WHEN YOU’RE DOING RESEARCH,
OR LEARNING SOMETHING NEW,
YOU TRULY LOOK HAPPY
LIKE YOU’RE ENJOYING IT.”
and by the way,
regardless of some small differences between versions so far,
this same side of his personality is KEPT so far in Adventure 2020:
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“YOUR BRAIN!
YOUR {KNOWLEDGE}!!”
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BAD SIDE YOU SHOWED EARLIER?? when they TALKED OVER HIM THEY’RE BEING SO OOC AREN’T THEY??? Um... not wholly / it’s COMPLICATED.
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[ note everyone’s expressions in the moment above. most {all} are looking at him rather dismayed. he’s clearly been at this for a while to the point even Tailmon was snoozing and had to ASK HIM DIRECTLY “KOUSHIRO. What are you doing” she even asks this in a straight deadpan ]
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{Taichi didn’t exactly have the best patience here either.}
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Reading the emails, missing the atmosphere / not reading the room {essentially, missing Taichi’s social cues}
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{this scene was also related in the previous posts regarding Koushiro constantly missing social cues [EVEN/SOMETIMES WITH TAICHI] and yet the others {INCLUDING/ESPECIALLY TAICHI} ... eventually recognize Koushiro DOES NOT MEAN THIS. GENUINELY Tri!Taichi even defends Koushiro in the later scene in the 3rd movie:}
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please relate back to the above contexts:
... and because of the social aspects mentioned above, we know people think we’re annoying. But we can’t stop. We store the information and when it comes up its like they’re kicking over the file cabinet.
WE CAN’T STOP
and neither can Koushiro when he’s infodumping or specifically infodumping on his Interests  POORLY.
The Chosen Children know this. {Eventually} [because out of all of them, Taichi knows Koushiro best]
TAICHI YAGAMI KNOWS this. {a bit earlier on compared to the rest} BUT IT TAKES TAICHI A ... Bit TO Learn about Koushiro Izumi, TOO.
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{ Koushiro is *sighing* here }
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“AT TIMES LIKE THIS, YOU JUST HAVE TO HIT IT!”
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{ a part of Taichi and Koushiro’s relationship is learning patience with each others’ issues, if slowly at times/briefly }
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{notice how here...}
this scene with the Oolong happens much later on in tri, and everyone just... casually doesn’t mind that he’s obviously infodumping with everyone in a much more pleasant mood & SITUATION {kind of} than they were in the Movie 1 scene. the contexts of the scenes are different they have their Digimon back regardless and are attempting to RELAX and re-bond with them. { including Koushiro + Motimon }
They are all {including Koushiro} clearly very COMFORTABLE here.
And, would I, as an Autistic fan who has info dumped often about my Special Interests myself, have preferred they handled the scene from Saikai better? MAYBE.
Do I also think they improved with later scenes by highlighting that infodumping comes naturally to Koushiro, to the point TENTOMON even points it out? showing the Chosen sitting all together happily despite his infodumping?
considering literally all the contexts I’ve mentioned above about why Tri!Koushiro’s scenes in general are STILL important to his OVERALL personality, AND this wider headcanon,
YES.
And here’s another thing...
When people LET US ramble on about our Special Interests without interrupting us, even if we’re being slightly (or VERY)  missing-reading-the-room about it,
IT CAN ACTUALLY EVEN BE A SIGN OF RESPECT especially if it’s to a point you’re COMFORTABLE AROUND US
Autistic people love it when we’re allowed to ramble on without interruption.
We don’t necessarily EXPECT people to absorb or even understand EVERY single word we say. We’re just happy and pleased they’re letting us ramble, without making it out {directly to us, as in DELIBERATELY interrupting us or directly insulting us & our interests, is the literal WORST way} to seem like it’s a huge problem in the moment.
for example, if Tri!Taichi or co had deliberately interrupted Koushiro’s rambling in the 1st movie scene, i.e. if to YELL at him to “stop and pay attention, you’re being so ANNOYING!” for example, that would have been SO MUCH WORSE.
Koushiro’s friends are, in the wider plot of the series,
GOOD friends to him.
A bit later on in Movie 4:
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{TAICHI NOTICING KOUSHIRO’S EYES ARE CLEARLY GLASSY / FIRM / WATERY / MAYBE A BIT TEARY FROM ALL THE FRUSTRATION & STRESS. And that Koushiro is clearly holding it all in for Taichi & the team’s comfort.}
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Despite some bumps along the way they really do care.
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{‘SEE HOW MUCH WE CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER AS A TEAM?’} {‘SEE HOW MUCH YOU AND TAICHI CARED ABOUT EACH OTHER, AGUMON?’ - Koushiro Izumi, probably, as he shows them to Agumon - Koushiro even takes the ‘stealth’ photos HIMSELF as a hobby!!!}
...And in the 2nd scene from tri with Motimon (Movie 4), Mimi does GENTLY interrupt at the end... but note the reasoning: Koushiro has rambled on too long to the point he hasn’t eaten his food.
If he doesn’t eat his food, Koushiro isn’t practicing proper SELF CARE, and the Chosen {and later on, even Tri!Mimi!} know this.
They’re also looking out for him at various such times, in such moments.
Because they CARE.
I’d just, UM, also like to point something out here...
I’M. literally infodumping to you all by making this post & analysis. I understand and expect not every single word will be completely understood, either by more casual fans of the series or by people who aren’t Autistic / Neuro-divergent.
I’m fine with that. Mostly, I’ll be happy if you can at the very least please try to seriously consider what I’m saying about everything here, and how I personally analyze canon!Koushiro’s infodumping and the Chosens’ various responses.
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#digimon adventure#digimon adventures#koushiro izumi#koushirou izumi#izzy izumi#autistic koushiro#autistic koushirou#autistic koushiro izumi#autistic koushirou izumi#autistic koushiro series#taichi and koushiro#autistic digimon headcanons#infodumping koushiro#taishiro analysis#taishiro refs#koushiro refs#(uM ok so at the start I was just going to point out his infodumping in the Tri scenes and Motimon there validating him and such but)#(IT.... EXPANDED A BIT)#(I'M SORRY THE THING IS I ACTUALLY GENUINELY LOVE INFODUMPING ABOUT KOUSHIRO IZUMI BUT ALSO)#(I'M NOT THE BEST AT EXPLAINING THINGS MYSELF But seriously I'M TRYING)#(the point being it's important to consider ALL THE WIDER CONTEXTS of not only these various scenes referenced)#(BUT ALSO KOUSHIRO'S ENTIRE STORYLINE AS A WHOLE)#(i've noticed a lot of fans seem to completely miss the point of how comfortable the Chosen are around him later on so i am . Pointing Out)#(KOUSHIRO'S FRIENDS GENUINELY CARE ABOUT HIM I PROMISE)#(i'll probably come back around and touch on a lot of these points again in the future if i continue this BUT ESPECIALLY the part about)#(Tri!Koushiro And His Complete And Total Lack Of SELF Care because WHOOOOO THAT ONE'S GONNA TAKE A LOOOOT TO EXPLAIN)#(and um i kind of have to be in the right mental headspace for writing that up myself so We'll See if i ever get to that part)#(Friendly Reminder please read ALL info and ALL banners AND my FAQ before interacting and agree to them PLEASE)#(I don't mind support and reblogs if this is helping you see things in a different light when it comes to this headcanon but I DO MIND Yeah)#(but like yeah um seriously please... don't... use this post or series to spread yet more tri hate that is NOT the point of my headcanons)
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koushirouizumi · 2 years ago
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{D I G I M O N} Adventure: [2020 Re-boot/Spin-off] ~ Episode 59 (Japanese Version) ~ 2020!Koushiro{u} Izumi + Koushiro & Tentomon {as Friendship} + Koushiro & Agumon {as Mutual Support} & I N F O-D U M P I N G
+ with Koushiro on Koushiro’s way to {S A V I N G} {+W h a m o n} & T A I C H I Y a g a m i...
“AND S P E A K I N G of the {W a l t z}...!!” - Koushiro, m u t t e r i n g s o f t l y, s u b c o n s c i o u  s l y r a i s i n g f o o t while M u s i n g
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koushirouizumi · 2 years ago
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Me, as I prepare to (eventually) gif the entirety of DigiAdv 2020 Episode 36:
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izzyizumi · 3 years ago
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Digimon Adventure/02/Tri/2020 ~ Comparisons + {Thematic} Parallels + {Common!} Character Traits ~ Koushiro{u} Izumi
Koushiro{u} Izumi + Infodumping {about the Digital World, Digimoji, D3s, Oolong Tea, or basically rambling about anything + catching strong Interests}
Bonus: {Digimon Adventure PSP!}:
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“Once {Koushiro}’s lost in something it’s hard to get {Koushiro}’s attention.” - Taichi Yagami, Confirming the Obvious (in a Good Way!)
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izzyizumi · 3 months ago
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wow Taichi Yagami can you be fannish over Koushiro hARDER
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{THIS IS ALL I NEED IN THE W O R L D}
( t HE BOTTOM RIGHT ANYWAY --- )
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izzyizumi · 4 years ago
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Digimon Adventure tri. ~ Japanese version Movie #6, “Bokura no Mirai” [“Our Future”] vs. Movie #3; “Kokuhaku” [“Confession”] vs. Movie #4, “Soushitsu” [“Loss”] Featuring characters: Koushiro[u] Izumi & Tentomon / Mochimon ~ {+Important} Dialogues ~ Character Development{s} ~ Storyline Development{s} ~ {+Framing}/{Storyline} Parallels
“I understand how much you love this.” - Mochimon, to Koushiro, as Koushiro Infodumps about Oolong Tea (and then explaining that Koushiro Wants To {Know} more about the Digital World & the Digimon)
“...Isn’t that what you’ve {Been doing}?” - Tentomon, to Koushiro, in Kokuhaku, in an effort to encourage & guide Koushiro, Tentomon’s partner
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izzyizumi · 5 years ago
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things Toei animation could give me in Digimon Adventure 2020
that will AUTOMATICALLY make me happy REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING:
Koushiro getting screentime
Koushiro getting ACTIVE screentime where he ISN’T JUST BEHIND THE TABLET / COMPUTER
Koushiro’s adoption storyline being kept FULLY
Koushiro’s adoption storyline being updated for a 2020 audience while still retaining the impact of the original
MRS YOSHIE - AKA - KAE IZUMI APPEARING
IN ANY INSTANCE
TALKING WITH KOUSHIRO
MR IZUMI TOO WOULD BE NICE BASICALLY IZUMI FAMILY
KOUSHIRO TALKING TO TAICHI YAGAMI
and not just in the infodumping!Koushiro sense
more screentime for Taichi + Koushiro relationship ANYTHING
Koushiro having a better / improved friendship with Mimi than he did in original Adventure series
more Koushiro + Hikari interactions (+ WITH TAICHI)
more Taichi + Yamato + Koushiro OT3 moments (+less fighting)
KOUSHIRO + JOU INTERACTIONS ( ANYTHING )
basically ANY OF THE ABOVE
KOUSHIRO BEING ACKNOWLEDGED
( + BY THE GROUP IN GENERAL )
PREFERABLY THE FORBIDDEN KOUSHIRO-ON-TAICHI’S SOCCER TEAM/CLUB THAT WE NEVER GOT IN-SHOW THAT WAS IN THE ADVENTURE NOVELS (bolding/italics mine for emphasis!):
As they walked, Koushiro asked Tentomon many things about this region and about Digimon. While doing so, he couldn’t help but feel a slight self–derision snorting at him in the back of his mind. Never before had he talked so much to a stranger, even if that stranger wasn’t a human being. In the days before he had left for camp, he normally avoided taking the initiative to talk to others in school. He didn’t like getting involved with them. Especially not when he didn’t even know who in the world he was. As a matter of course, his classmates rarely had a chance to talk with him. Many thought that he was hard to get along with, and Koushiro personally didn’t find that inconvenient so he did nothing to persuade them otherwise. Taichi Yagami was one of the few exceptions. Because their school curriculum had a physical education requirement, Koushiro was forced to choose a club. It was a mere coincidence that he chose the soccer club. He wouldn’t have to face people one-on-one if he was in a club emphasizing teamwork rather than individual achievement, and the positions in soccer appeared more vague than they were in baseball. He felt that in the soccer club, he wouldn’t have to go out of his way to engage with other people. Taichi was an upperclassman in that soccer club. It wasn’t that he was extremely talkative, but Taichi treated everyone without discrimination, as equals. That attitude of his didn’t change, even towards Koushiro. If Taichi hadn’t invited him, Koushiro was sure that he would have never gone to summer camp.
- from the Adventure novels translation by Onkei
^ AKA: THE FORBIDDEN TAICHI+KOUSHIRO BACKSTORY
WOULD BE VERY NICE TO HAVE TOO @ TOEIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
BONUS: - THE SUMMARY FOR DIGIADV 2020 STATES - THE 1ST EPISODE TAKES PLACE - “ BEFORE ” TAICHI’S SUMMER CAMP at the “ END of the week ”---------
- “ The main character is fifth grader Taichi Yagami, who lives in a high-rise apartment building in the Tokyo suburbs. He has stayed at home alone in order to prepare for his summer camp at the end of the week, ”
- “  In the days before [KOUSHIRO] had left for camp, he normally avoided taking the initiative to talk to others in school. ” - IF TAICHI HADN’T INVITED HIM, Koushiro WAS SURE THAT HE WOULD HAVE NEVER GONE TO SUMMER CAMP.
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koushirouizumi · 2 years ago
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"I hope that the {"strength?"} that keeps YOU THINKING OF ME is {STILL} ["Troubling"] YOU, even just 'a little';
Saying {"THE Answer"} WAS A ["SACRIFICE"] That it (WOUNDED), that it was ("INEVITABLE"), that it ['HURT'],
...All sounds so {CHEERFUL}, 'DOESN'T IT'?"
(If you couldn't tell, the entire AMV showcases an AUTISTIC!Koushiro Izumi headcanon using canon-inspired scenes with canon contexts):
"Being a POPULAR GUY isn't easy." - Taichi, joking (and perhaps half-serious); {00:00~00:10 timemarks}
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Digimon Adventure (Series) + 2020 reboot series x Zutomayo -
"STUDY ME?" / "Figure it Out" / "I'M (/KOUSHIRO'S) NOT A 'PROBLEM' TO BE 'SOLVED'"
featuring duo/ship/O.T.P. KouTai / Taishiro[u]; Koushiro x Taichi
(Characters Koushiro is otherwise involved with, like Izumi family, Tentomon, Jou, Yamato, Menoa, and Mimi; + vs. Vademon also show briefly at times but the focus is Koushiro & 2020!Koushiro + KouTai with minor spoilers from tri, Kokuhaku, BNM, Kizuna, and 2020 + its ending)
It is recommended you read the lyrics before or after watching!
This A.M.V. was pretty much made on a complete whim after I heard this thanks to a J.P.N TaiKou fan recommending another by this group as "DEFINITELY a TaiKou song" and let's just say Yes I see a Theme & Patterns going and I am Spilling Koushiro Thoughts Via Analysis by A.M.V. As a result it IS in actuality semi canon compliant to a very strong degree, but please keep in mind the intended pairing is mainly KouTai (though I ship various other Koushiro ships too!)
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